on the side of the road inside the camping area. they posted it on youtube and gave it to the fbi. the bethunes told us they spotted the van on august 27th around 6:30 p.m., but that the van was dark and they didn't see anyone near it. the video bloggers sent us the coordinates where they say they saw that van, so we're trying to find that location right now. they said it was about 2 1/2 miles in or so and the van was right on the road. this dispersed camping area is an undeveloped camping area, that offers few services. it is a popular spot, so it is no surprise gabby or her fiance seemed to have chosen it. it is on the eastern boundary of the grand teton national park, and the views are breathtaking. while we don't know for sure, this clearing could be where that van was parked, certainly based on the distance that we were given. it is right on the road, so anybody walking by or driving by certainly could have seen a van parked here. otherwise it is pretty private. there is trees on the other side of the clearing and then if you look out there, there is really not much other than some really big rocks and some gravel and there is a creek that you can actually hear if you listen closely while you're standing here or parked here in this clearing. the forest where the campground is located spans more than 3 million acres. law enforcement has not said exactly where gabby petito's remains were found, or what specifically led them here. but somewhere among all this beauty something terrible happened. randi kaye, cnn, moose, wyoming. >> our thanks to randi for that. a real look at the scene, the location that we're talking about here. want to focus on the other area, that's florida, where the search for brian laundrie continues this morning with dive teams on the scene. want to bring in chris boyer, the executive director of the national association for search and rescue. thank you so much for being with us. the dive teams we think are going to go back out today and search this huge nature reserve. we haven't heard that they found anything yet. as more and more time passes, if they don't find something there, what does that tell you? >> so in search and rescue, if we got a good perimeter, a good search area, and you keep searching it over and over and over again, and you don't find clues for what you're looking for, that means that the probability of that person or that object you're looking for is outside that search area and somewhere out in the rest of the world. >> what are the main challenges that you see at this moment? >> so they have got a swampy area, they have got a lot of water to deal with. it is logistically hard to get searchers into the area. there is a lot of foilfoilage c. the weather is not conducive to searching and rain and time erode clues like footprints and other things that could lead to helping find mr. laundrie. i think that time is one of the biggest issues now. >> and what about the timing gap between when he went missing and when the actual search began? >> yeah, so he had quite a lead on the investigators. not just that time, but from the time he left grand teton, driving home. he had all this time to think about and plan for what he might do when he gets home. so that puts him a great leap ahead of the authorities. and it is going to take a lot of work on their part to catch up. so, you know, if he's been in that park for eight days and he only walks one mile an hour, you know, he could be 64 miles in any one direction. and if you take that rate times time equals distance calculation you see over my shoulder, that gives you about a 22,000 square mile search area. that's not easy to handle. >> thank you for explaining that equation behind your shoulder because i never would have picked up on it myself. look, if you're part of the search team, when do you call it? when do you say, okay, we're done here? >> right, so typically if we're looking for someone we look at the factors for how long they would survive, in this case it is how long this person is going to be evasive, and deceptive and how much risk is involved looking for him versus how much risk is -- he is to the community. at some point when your resources get pretty burned out and you don't have any further clues that you're finding, then it is time to say we're going to go into a limited search and mostly investigative phase and that the investigators if they have come up with a clue, we will again start up the search and prosecute those clues and ser search those areas but they're rapidly getting to that point. >> talk to me about the human side for the investigators themselves. how frustrating is it for them if they're not finding any physical trace and how much would they then be critical of the human intelligence part of it, what they're being told or not told from people who may or may not be connected to brian laundrie. >> yeah, so you take every clue on its face and you hope that people give you those clues forthright. in this case, maybe not. maybe the family is telling the law enforcement exactly what mr. l laundrie told them to tell them and they don't know it is a lie. he's using them to propagate deception. it is very frustrating on law enforcement part and it is not just the physical search. there is an investigation. they're looking at his electronic footprint, social media footprint and they're talking to everybody he knows, they're trying to figure out his contacts, his locations that he's been before, where he feels comfortable, might be safe. any of his behaviors that they might be able to exploit to find him. >> chris boyer, very interesting perspective. we really appreciate you shining a light on what's going on right now. >> thank you, john. new this morning, former president trump now taking aim at two former republican allies in the u.s. senate who refuse to back the big lie, according to a new book. bob woodward and robert costa write in the book "peril" that senators mike lee and lindsey graham investigated trump's claims of fraud in the 2020 election, and found they added up to nothing. here's part of a new statement from trump, it says, i spent virtually no time with senators mike lee of utah or lindsey graham of south carolina talking about the 2020 presidential election scam or as it is viewed by many, the crime of the century. lindsey and mike should be ashamed of themselves for not putting up the fight necessary to win. joining us now we have cnn political commentator ana navarro to talk about this. a ana, what do you think about what he's saying, they should be ashamed of themselves? >> you know, these are revelations, but they're not revelations about donald trump's character. it is very consistent with the donald trump that we got to know in the last five years. and so no matter how loyal people like lindsey graham and mike lee were to him, for years they were his acolytes, his rubber stamps on so many issues, they were by his side, lindsey graham was practically his mini m me, a symbiotic twin, regardless of that, the minute they turn on him, the minute they're not willing to cross a bridge that is a bridge too far because it is about destroying democracy and based on lies, then they're not loyal. then he turns on them and he turns all the cannons on them. i think it explains some of lindsey's -- some of lindsey's actions after the election when we saw him quickly try it go to mar-a-lago and try to make up with him. but it is just -- it is crazy. it is never enough for trump. because it is always about one thing, donald trump. >> i'm sure lindsey graham is going to quit donald trump now, ana, right? >> hold your breath, why don't you? i'll bring over an oxygen tank. >> seriously, you know, why -- it is just another thing where lindsey graham could not possibly do more to curry favor with donald trump. yes, he said count me out on january 7th or whatever it was, but he didn't mean it. because they didn't count him out, he's playing golf with donald trump talking to him whenever he can and trump criticizing him today for what's in the book, but i can't imagine this is going to keep lindsey graham from going to play golf tomorrow. >> i can't either. i think there is not enough time in this program to psychoanalyze lindsey graham and his need for a pedrino, big brother to be somebody's sidekick whether it is john mccain or donald trump. >> i want to ask you, ana, about what we're seeing at the border and how, for instance, fox and some in the gop, many in the gop are responding to it. there seems to be an increase in talking about that this is replacement theory, that this is migrants coming in, essentially to benefit democrats. let's listen. >> the only conclusion any rational person can reach is this is deliberate, this is intentional, this is exactly what hillary clinton campaigned on in 2016 when she talked about a borderless hemisphere. >> nothing about it is an accident, obviously. it is intentional. joe biden did it on purpose. this policy is called the great replacement, the replacement of legacy, americans with more obedient people from far away countries. >> i mean, ana. >> mm. look, the one thing i agree with is that very little of this is accidental. i think it's -- i think it's very suspicious and it is very reminiscent of the caravan that happened right before the midterms, which is an immigration issue that was -- that happened, all of a sudden, you know, you got tens of thousands of people showing up at the southern border and it is used to enflame the political passions. this is a very difficult nut for joseph biden to crack. he has issues with his own party who are critical and attacking him for not being welcoming enough. and then a huge issue and becoming one that frankly enflames racists and division and us versus then and invasion and invaders and alien, you know, prototypes and stereotypes and within the republican party. look, the truth of the matter is that this is a humanitarian crisis. that this is tens of thousands of people fleeing political strife, fleeing poverty, fleeing political corruption. i think there is many questions to be asked as to what is happening in the southern border. i think -- i think we have not seen all the facts here. this is a -- this situation, i think, has many more layers to the onion than what we have seen as of yet. >> and, look, you can talk about issues at the border and clear problem with an influx of migrants, but replacement theory isn't even thinly veiled racism. you heard tucker carlson say, replace -- what is a legacy american? it rhymes with white, ana. so he's saying that legacy -- white people are being replaced. >> which is such a bastion, right, such a pillar for the foundation of donald trump's campaign. make white people feel anger. sew division within americans. make it so that you are feeding into this idea that black and brown people are coming across the border and replacing us. think about jews will not replace us in charlottesville. think about all these things, the manifesto of the man who went to the walmart and shot over 20 latinos, hunted them down in el paso, texas. think of all those things and just how, you know, it was about divide and conquer. and i think that they saw that a winning strategy, making white people feel angry, feel distressed, feel passionately okay to be racist. but, you know, so this is conflating the immigration issue with racism. if it was 20,000 norwegians in the southern border, would tucker carlson be saying the same thing? it happens to be 20,000 black haitians and central americans. and if he thinks that haitians and central americans are more obedient, i was born in nicaragua, i suggest one day he leave his little bubble in his studio and get out of this country and go see what people -- let's remember that haiti was one of the first republics in the hemisphere that declared its independence, that it was slaves rebelling in haiti that made it one of the first independent countries in the hemisphere. >> no indication that he knowsa. i do want to ask you about something happening in your home state, which is that the governor, putting in place this surgeon general who is, look, if you look at his -- if you look at his resume on paper, you know, harvard, ph.d. looks pretty good. but once you look into what he has talked about, he's anti-mask, he's vaccine skeptical, he's appeared at these america front line doctor events with, for instance, the demon sperm doctor who clearly has problems with facts, what do you think about this? >> i think ron desantis found a guy who is ron desantis, but with a medical degree. listen, ron desantis is a guy who is also a harvard and yale grad. and the guy we're seeing now in florida governor ron desantis is the different than the guy who was first elected. ron desantis got elected by a very slim margin. there was a recount in florida. there is always a recount in florida, but -- and he came in talking about the environment. he came in trying to be conciliatory. but he's obviously decided he wants to run for president, that he wants the republican nomination, and that the way to do it is to cater to the republican donald trump base and that means the folks who embrace anti-science, who deny vaccines, who believe in, you know, cattle dewormers, who -- we see him over and over taking this as a crusade, right? whether it is suing school boards, whether it is telling local governments that he's going to find them if they issue a mask mandate, and now with his pick for surgeon general. look, you know, the bottom line is as a floridian, as somebody who lives in florida, and whose life is directly impacted and affected by this, the numbers of deaths and hospitalizations we have seen out of florida, and out of the state that are not vaccinated, are gruesome, are scary, are painful. those are real people. so putting politics over people's lives really is shameful in a way that i hope people will not forget. floridians will not forget. >> ana, it is lovely to see you this morning and all our best to -- >> i was going to say best to cha-cha. you stole a line from me. >> thank you. >> thanks, ana. just ahead, we're going to talk to the college professor who went toe to toe with texas senator ted cruz. >> so what voter i.d. laws are racist? 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[beep] i just wanted to say... ♪ find yourself in these situations and see who you are. and that's just part of the bargain. ♪ high drama in washington over the past 24 hours, setting up a showdown as soon as today. first, president biden essentially playing referee between progressive and moderate democrats fighting over his $3 trillion spending plan and the bipartisan infrastructure deal. this as the u.s. is on the verge of default and the government potentially shutting down. police reform talks are officially dead as the white house and democrats are now accusing senate republicans and demanding too much after months of intense negotiations. members of the congressional black caucus, they went to the white house livid over the treatment of haitian immigrants. >> i'm pissed. i'm unhappy. and i'm not just unhappy with the cowboys, who were running down haitians and using their reins to whip them, i'm happy with the administration. what we witness takes us back hundreds of years. what we witnessed was worse than what we witnessed in slavery. cowboys with their reins, again, whipping black people, haitians into the water where they're scrambling and falling down and all they're trying to do is escape from violence in their country. >> lawmakers, both democrats and republicans, leaving a classified briefing on afghanistan, frustrated by the lack of answers from the biden administration. and on top of this, the president's approval rating is sinking and his agenda is in jeopardy not only because of republican opposition, but because of disagreement within his own party. >> unless congress raises the debt ceiling, the treasury department estimates it will run out of cash at some point next month. a default would set off dire consequences. a new moodys report estimates nearly 6 million jobs would be lost as a result. and now a group of former treasury secretaries have sent a letter to congressional leadership warning this, even a short-lived default could threaten economic growth, it creates the risk of roiling markets and staffing economic confidence and would prevent americans from receiving vital services. joining us now is one of those former treasury secretaries who wrote this letter, larry summers with us. so, this is the message, larry, that you have here, that even dancing with this idea could cause an accidental default. tell us why you are are on board with this letter? >> look, the credit of the united states going back to alexander hamilton is a fundamental national asset. it is the basis of all financial markets, it is the basis of the way the government is able to spend money. it has been unimpeachable. if it is called into question, if we don't meet our obligations, if it even gets to a point where there is a serious risk we will not meet our obligations, people are going to be at sea, they're going to become highly uncertain, they're going to freeze their spending plans, they're going to have difficulty with the collateral they have for their financial positions, and you have got a risk of financial chaos. you can debate how much we should spend, whether -- how progressive taxes should be, what we should do about the corporate tax, there is plenty of stuff that you should debate. but nobody should be debating whether the united states is going to pay its debts back or not. we already incurred these debts. we must pay them back. let's just get on with it. if my kid spends too much on his credit card, we might have a family debate about whether i'm going to pay the bill or whether he's going to pay the bill, but it is not an option for our family to stiff the credit card company. it is not an option for the government of the united states to stiff its bond holders. we need to move on to the so many serious issues that the country faces. >> right now one of those things for the biden administration is infrastructure and other wide ranging spending that is really part of a social safety net as president biden is trying to champion. there is two bills, just to be clear, one is a bipartisan bill, a little smaller, then there is this huge 3 trillion plus bill, the democrats are going it alone on, sort of. and i wonder what you think about what's happening in the house where progressives are drawing a hard-line and they're saying, look, to moderates and other democrats, you have to pass both of these or we're doing nothing. you think it is really all or nothing? >> i hope not. legislation is about compromise. i don't think there is any question that the kcountry need investments in infrastructure. i don't think there any question there are ways we can strengthen our investment in people. our 4-year-old should be in some kind of pre-kindergarten. god knows look at all the fires, we got to make investments with respect to climate change. so they should be finding a compromise through, that may mean less spending, certainly means that spending should be paid for, given the inflationary threats. but we have got to find a way to move forward and my very great hope is that we will, i think, that if you look at the history of major legislative initiatives, they always have some near death moments along the way. we're going through that valley right now. but i hope we will find our way through. >> you've been critical of the biden administration when it comes to inflation, larry. how is the president managing this current economic debate? >> i think we're fortunate to have this president at this time. i've been glad to see the administration emphasize that if we invest more in supply, in infrastructure, for example, that will breakthrough bottlenecks, over time, that can help us have higher wages and more output with less inflation. i do think it is absolutely critical that any further investments from here be paid for promptly with new revenues, i don't think we can afford an increase in the level of deficits and borrowing based spending given the inflation issues that exist in the country. i think in general we are -- we got more of an inflation problem than many people realize. i suspect that means interest rates are going to go up a bit faster than is anticipated by the markets in a way that was signaled by chairman powell yesterday. >> as you're watching this infighting in the house democratic caucus, and in the senate, what is your optimism level when it comes to the biden agenda? what is realistic to get through? >> i think it is realistic to have the most important -- on children in poverty in this country in 60 years. i think it is realistic to have the most important set of initiatives around climate change that the country has ever had. i think it is possible to make a big investment in our young people's access to community college. frankly, do i think that every single element of the program that has been put forward is necessary at this moment? no. do i think there is too much of choosing everybody's priority? yes. but is there an opportunity to make historically memorable investments in the people and the resources of our country? yes, i think there is. i think that can be done in a financially responsible way and i think it is absolutely -- i am not one who believes, brianna, we're in some kind of cold war with china. i think that's the wrong whole way of thinking about it. but i do think our technological leadership is threatened in a way it hasn't been in quite some time, and we need to make crucial investments in science and technology as well. so, we need to be tough-minded, we need to recognize we can't buy everything tomorrow, but we need to recognize that we're going to need to raise taxes to pay for it, and there is some attractive targets for taxation starting from the $700 billion a year, let me say that again, $700 billion a year tax gap. but there's the potential to do something that all moderates should support and that would also be the greatest progressive accomplishment we have had in this country in well over a generation. and i have a suspicion that president biden's going to lead us towards finding that sweet spot. but it is going to involve probably some more spending than some moderates prefer and it is certainly not going to involve everything that progressives want to see. >> larry, it is so great to speak with you this morning. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. just ahead, the senate's top republican singing a much different tune about the debt ceiling these days. a college professor joins us next on her face-off with senator ted cruz. >> i'm not saying the entire state of texas is racist, but -- >> you said the state of texas, you tell me about the texas voter i.d. laws that are racist. in business, setbacks change everything. so get comcast business internet and add securityedge. it helps keep your network safe by scanning for threats every 10 minutes. and unlike some cybersecurity options, this helps protect every connected device. yours, your employees' and even your customers'. so you can stay ahead. get started with a great offer and ask how you can add comcast business securityedge. plus for a limited time, ask how to get a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. opreza: trabajar en recology es más que un empleo para mí, es una tradición familiar. tomé la ruta de mi padre cuando se retiró despues de 47 años. ahora le muestro a la nueva generación lo que es recology como una compañia que pertenece a los empleados. estamos orgullosos de haber creado el sistema de reciclaje. convirtiendo a san francisco, en la ciudad mas verde de america... sigamos haciendo la diferencia juntos. election law analyst went toe to toe with senator ted cruz in a judiciary committee hearing in a fiery exchange about the texas voter i.d. law. listen. >> in your judgment, our voter i.d. laws are racist, professor tolson. >> thank you for that question. so it depends. one thing we have to stop doing is treating all voter i.d. laws as the same. >> i want to move quickly, so it depends is your answer? >> yes, that is my answer. >> so what voter i.d. laws are racist? >> apologies, senator cruz, yor state of texas. i'm not saying the entire state of texas. >> you said my state of texas. you tell me about the texas voter i.d. laws that are racist. >> the fact the law was put in place to diminish the political power of latinos with racist intent and have been found to have -- >> you're asserting that. what is the evidence of that? >> the federal district court that first resolved the constitutionality of texas' voter i.d. law. >> your view is voter i.d. laws are racist. how about you, mr. yang? >> i agree with professor tolson, voter i.d. laws can be racist. >> there are some voter i.d. laws that are racially discriminatory in intent. >> joining us is the professor who brought receipts, franita tolson, vice dean of usc law school. thank you for being with us. i'm going to ask you to do the impossible here. but put yourself in the senator's brain, ted cruz's brain there, what do you think he was trying to get out of that discussion? >> i think he wanted me and my colleagues to be in a fund-raising video, he wanted some sound bite of us saying voter i.d. laws which he noted several times throughout the hearing, they have broad support, some sound bite that we think they're racist and don't further the cause of election integrity. i refuse to be a sound bite and my colleagues as well. >> you know, as one of the discussions we had on this show a couple of months ago, stacey abrams came out on the show and said, you know, there are certain voter i.d. laws she supports and people, their heads elf exploded and said what, what. explain this to us so people can understand. >> what voter i.d. laws -- where is the line? >> this is a great question. i think folks get a little confused about it. my point to the senator was that all voter i.d. laws are not the same. texas has one of the most restrictive voter i.d. laws in the country and it harms communities of color. voter i.d. laws do not have to be that restrictive. texas seaccepts a limited numbe of i.d.s to vote. if you have federal i.d. or state i.d. or student i.d., you can't vote. and it is clearly targeted towards making it harder for the people more likely to have those i.d.s. the students of color and students more generally tend to skew toward the democratic party. and also texas has part time i.d. issuing offices in rural areas with high concentrations of people of color and people in poverty. so the entire regime is targeted to make it very difficult for minorities to get the i.d. that they actually need in order to cast a ballot. it does not have to be that way. there are other states that have voter i.d. laws that are less restrictive. south carolina has a voter i.d. law that has a reasonable impediment provision, who allows voters who filled out an affidavit and show they tried to get an i.d., they can vote. texas has chosen the path of leads to disenfranchisement. the federal court that first reviewed texas' 2011 voter i.d. law found the state acted with racially discriminatory intent after years of litigation. this went up and down. the courts passed a new version of the law to try to purge it of that discriminatory intent. this problem is not just unique to the voter i.d. context. texas has had similar problems with this redistricting plan which have been litigated amid allegations of racially discriminatory intent. this is a recurring problem in texas. it is no coincidence that texas kept coming up over the course of the hearing yesterday. >> i'm not sure that, in fact, i know congress isn't close to passing any kind of huge voting reform or voting deal here. but what role could, in a perfect world, what role could voter i.d. play in a compromise there? >> well, so i think it is important to be clear about what the hearing was actually about yesterday. the proposed bill is a compromise of sorts. it is a direct response to the shelby county versus holder decision, which invalidated a portion of the voting rights act that required certain jurisdictions ss to preclear changes before the changes could go into effect. the court struck that down. only certain practices instead of all election laws will have to be precleared with the federal government. among those practices are voter i.d. laws. and arguably if a voter i.d. law is not designed to minimize the political power of minorities, then it is administratively easy for that law to be precleared. we focus so much attention on the bad actors and their efforts to try to put discriminatory law into place that it seems like this is overly burdensome. most jurisdictions will pass this preclearance process completely fine. >> franita tolson, we appreciate you being with us today. thank you for sharing your insights. >> thank you. so does the united states even need a debt ceiling anymore? 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when republican speaker newt gingrich took the nauhouse in 1, they ditched the gephardt rule, using the debt ceiling as leverage, leading to the government shutdown. that got so bad that during the standoff in 2011, america lost its aaa credit rating with the s&p stating the effectiveness, stability and predictability of american policymaking had weak ended. senator mitch mcconnell looked on the crisis with some satisfaction, calling it a hostage that is worth ransoming. when trump was president, mcconnell sang a different tune. >> we will never have america default. america can't default. that would be a disaster. >> right. and because there was bipartisan concern, republicans and democrats actually suspended the debt ceiling for two years, even while trump increased america's debt by nearly $8 trillion. now, democrats are controlling the white house and congress, and here's mitch mcconnell. >> republicans are united in opposition to raising the debt ceiling. >> mcconnell's rational is that this is the democrats' problem to solve and it might be if senate republicans hadn't threatened the filibuster, which means democrats will need 60 votes to avoid hitting the debt ceiling sometime in october. this is madness. there is a reason no other major industrialized nation has a debt ceiling because it is basically an invitation to chaos. according to moodys analytics, a prolonged impasse over the debt ceiling would cost up to 6 million jobs, and send the unemployment rate surging to roughly 9% from around 5%. republicans say they're doing this in the name of fiscal discipline. don't buy it. because it does nothing to actually reduce the debt. we're paying down money we already spent. failing to raise the debt ceiling would cost taxpayers more money because default would make it more expensive to borrow. no wonder former republican treasury secretaries have been trying to warn republicans in the senate of the dangerous consequences of this game, but reason left the building a long time ago. that's why it is time to ditch the debt ceiling. one way or the other, together, as former treasury secretary larry summers said, we took on this debt in a bipartisan way. reality is not a partisan thing. raising the debt limit is acknowledging reality, not making a partisan choice. and that's your reality check. >> again this is not a both sides thing. >> no. >> this is one party that made this an issue. john avlon, thank you very much. all right, we have breaking news, the u.s. special envoy for haiti has just resigned, citing the quote inhumane deportations of haitian migrants. stand by for this new development as the biden administration faces the growing crisis on the border. before nexium 24hr, anna could only imagine a comfortable night's sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. now, that dream... . ...is her reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts, for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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