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>> well, i think he can save it ultimately. there are two separate tracks we're talking about. obviously, you have the whole negotiation between the left and the center of the democratic party over the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation, which is the broader social spending package. and, look, they are arguing about a number on reconciliation. one thing politicians can do is find a midpoint between two different numbers, between the progressives and centrist and ultimately they'll get there. the other track, though, is more significant in some ways. not in terms of the long-term impact but the immediate crisis which is that mitch mcconnell, you know, at the moment, is behaving like a terrorist. and he is holding a gun to the head of democrats and indeed to the whole global economy in threatening to have the u.s. default on its debt by refusing to vote for any expansion of the debt ceiling. the important point to remember is that even though he is the one, you know, making that threat, democrats could take the gun out of his hand at any moment. by voting to exempt the debt ceiling from the filibuster. and they are choosing, at this point, not to do that. they are empowering mcconnell to make the threat that is now looming over the biden presidency and over the economy itself. >> that's a strong analogy. metaphorically you're saying. >> yes. metaphorically. can i just say one thing -- >> you have to make it clear sometimes because they repeat this stuff and -- you are calling mitch mcconnell a terrorist. >> i didn't say he is a terrorist. he is behaving like a terrorist. >> can i just say something? i wouldn't go that far. i think that mitch mcconnell is being extremely cynical. if it came down to it, let's just say maybe a couple of democratic senators had to go into covid quarantine and couldn't make the vote. mitch mcconnell wouldn't let the country default on its debt. we had this debate in 2013. i was working for people that wanted to have spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling which i still think is a pretty good policy because if we're going to keep spending this money, maybe we should get it under control. mitch mcconnell didn't want to do it but he crossed over and voted with the democrats to raise that debt ceiling. so he is being cynical, hypocritical, yes, but let's just call him a bare knuckled partisan because that's really how he's acting here. in my view. >> amanda, it's more than that because look at the rule that he is setting up. he is saying now, the majority party should have to raise the debt ceiling by itself without any votes from the minority party. that's what he is saying. but at the same time, the minority party should maintain a veto over whether the majority party can do so through the filibuster. and the punch line is the majority party is letting him get away with this. you see joe manchin and kyrsten sinema constantly complain that their fellow democrats are acting extreme or irresponsible. where is that complaint from joe manchin today when you are seeing republicans gambling with the kind of global -- not only domestic, but the global economy. is he out there saying that if republicans really do something as irresponsible as vote on a party line basis not to raise the debt ceiling i'll reconsider my opposition to ending the filibuster? you don't hear that from him now and i think all of that is empowering mcconnell. mcconnell is acting as though he believes there is nothing that he can do that would cause manchin or sinema to reconsider the filibuster and thus take away the weapon. the crow bar that he is holding over the has of democrats at this moment. >> i do think there's a good argument inside there in the fact that if mitch mcconnell does just want to sit on the sidelines and not engage in any sort of policy making through compromise, i mean, let's take the voting rights legislation. he doesn't like it. you at least -- there's something in there you could agree with and maybe have a starting point. have a reasonable, rational debate rather than rejecting it. but mitch mcconnell's strategy is to say i'm not going to participate in the process at all and that strengths the democrats' case for removing the filibuster hurdle. if you can't get the other party to engage in debate i'm not sure where you have a start. and if mitch mcconnell is going to say you go ahead and raise the debt ceiling, which puts the taxpayers on the hook for trillions of dollars in more spending. if you aren't going to participate in that process, i'm not sure why you're there. maybe we agree for different reasons. >> amanda, i've got to get your take on your former boss, senator ted cruz, getting schooled on voting rights during a judiciary hearing. this is an exchange with usc law professor frenida tollson. >> so what voter i.d. laws are racist? >> apologies, mr. cruz. your state of texas perhaps. >> so you think the entire state of texas is racist? what about requiring an i.d. to vote is racist? >> it's reductive. i'm not saying the entire state of texas -- >> tell me about the texas voter i.d. is racist. >> the voter i.d. law was put in place to diminish the political power of latinos with racist intent and had been found -- >> you're asserting that. what's your evidence? >> the district court that resolved the constitutionality of texas' voter i.d. law. >> what's your reaction? >> this is a debate we should engage in because i don't think voter i.d. laws are racist. i am greatly encouraged by the fact that people like joe manchin and stacey abrams have made an agreement to set some kind of standards for voter identification so that we can have some consistency in this process. it's one of the things i really like about the manchin compromise that just came out. but cruz was playing some games here, insinuating the professor there was insulting every texan through his voter laws. and there has been problems with voting restrictions put into the place for restricting the vote. not only among black and hispanic, but any voter that may go against the desired outcome. so, you know, i want to have much more of this debate because i think we could reach a pretty good -- >> but that wasn't the way to have it. >> there was some gamesmanship. >> yeah. all right. thank you both. go ahead. real quick. >> i was just real quick, you're going to talk about police reform in a minute. voting rights, abortion rights, the list of biden campaign promises that are going to pile up on the side of the road if they can't find a way to address the filibuster. not to mention this artificial debt ceiling crisis. just gets bigger and bigger. at some point the president has to confront this more head-on. the white house slamming republicans for the breakdown of policing reform talks on capitol hill. democratic senator cory booker announcing that discussions for a bipartisan deal have fallen apart after months of negotiations. tonight vice president harris calling senate republicans refusal to move forward on police reform unconscionable. joining me to discuss is democratic congresswoman karen bass who was a key negotiator on policing reform. thank you for joining us, congresswoman. i appreciate it. good evening. a lot of optimism that we would get meaningful policing reform or police reform, even though it was never going to be easy to get the 60 votes in the senate. so what brought down these talks? >> well, first of all, let me just acknowledge that over 200 days ago, the house of representatives did pass the george floyd justice in policing bill, and i think that senator booker and i were very optimistic because senator scott seemed as though he really wanted to see reform take place. and actually because of the filibuster that your guest was just talking about, we needed those ten republican votes. and it just seemed as though senator scott had a very difficult time getting to yes. i also think that there were interference from some of the national police organizations, the fraternal order of police actually did negotiate a deal with senator booker, but other organizations jumped in and that fell apart as well. so i think that he just had a terrible time getting to yes. >> everyone thought, oh, senator tim scott will be the difference. he's going to help. he's going to make it. but he was asked by cnn today about the breakdown in talks. he kept bringing it back to defunding the police. listen. >> it was really whether or not the penalties for cooperating or doing what was mandated, those were takeaways. so in other words, they were going to -- you were going to lose grant money. i'm not going to be a part of defunding the police. >> it's -- what do you make of him talking about defunding the police. is he distorting what these talks are all about? that's not a tenet of democrats, right? >> no, senator scott knows that neither senator booker or i support defunding the police. what he is referring to was actually a part of the trump executive order which basically said, if a police department went along and instituted reforms such as having a database or accreditation, et cetera, that they would be able to keep resources that they had. this was proposed by president trump. the trump executive order is actually still in effect. the bill was going to provide hundreds of millions of dollars for police because the reforms that we were calling for, such as accreditation and databases and all actually cost money. so he knows that. but he also knows that that's a trigger phrase that is used and was used against democrats any time democrats were calling for any type of reform. >> so what was the point then? any question to his motives about wanting to engage on this and then all of a sudden changing the narrative and then not going along with it at the last minute? >> well, i don't know. i don't know if it was internal to his caucus. what i do know, it was very difficult for him to get to yes. one of the things that -- and this was the floor, don. trump's executive order is in effect. now we could have put it into statute. we could have made it law. but the biden administration has not rescinded it. now if we were going to do anything less than the trump executive order, you are actually moving the needle backward in terms of reform. and the -- hundreds of thousands of people on the street? every state in this country were demanding transformative change. that's what we passed out of the house of representatives but unfortunately, talk about things piling up in the senate. that's going to be on the pile in terms of legislation that didn't move forward because of the filibuster. >> the party of obstruction. thank you very much. i appreciate it, congresswoman bass. also we're learning new details about an internal memo former trump lawyer john eastman sent days before the riots laying out a way for vice president pence to overturn the election results. joining me is carl bernstein. good evening. good to see you. the eastman memo is horrifying. it's just the latest piece of evidence showing trump plotted to steal the election telling georgia's secretary of state to find votes pressuring the doj to call the election corrupt. summoning the mobs on january 6th. he tried it over and over and over again. >> yes. we know this. there was a real coup attempted by the president of the united states with, aided and abetted by those people, really nutso people that he brought in and listened to who tried to convince him and did convince him that there were ways to steal the election. and that's what this memo is about. it's about totally thwarting the constitutional process of the election of the president of the united states by the electoral college. trump wanted to make sure that he remained the president of the united states through hook and crook. and this was hook and crook. and he had hooks and crooks around him from giuliani to eastman, all up and down he brought in these people who were willing, along with him, to goad him and get him to accept these preposterous notions. >> yeah. listen. there were some very vivid examples of what was happening of the description of what was going on inside the white house and while trump was acting. in the book "peril," they describe a tense oval office meeting on january 5th where trump continued to pressure pence to overturn the election. they could hear maga supporters cheering and chanting outside. this is what he said. if these people say you had the power, wouldn't you want to, trump asked? i wouldn't want any one person to have that authority, pence said. but wouldn't it be almost cool to have that power, trump asked? that's according to woodward and costa. no, pence said. he went on. i have done everything i could and then some to find a way around this. it's simply not possible. so in the end, pence followed the law, but this just shows he was struggling with that decision. how close had we actually come to losing our democracy, carl? >> well, this is one of the great contributions of this remarkable book by my former colleague bob woodward along with robert costa. we now have a definitive record of how donald trump and those around him tried to undermine our most basic notion of what democracy is. were willing to do anything to keep the presidency, to thwart the electoral process but more than that, there was a -- what you see in this book is how -- what trump did destabilized not only our democracy but our allies were destabilized because -- and our enemies because they thought we were going to code red, that we were actually if you listen to what general milley says in this book that russia, china, iran had no confidence whatsoever that they were not about to be attacked by the united states. that trump would use the pretext of this election to do something really reckless in terms of military action. so if you put together everything that is in this extraordinary book, you have a day-by-day record of the most grievous attempt by a president of the united states, unprecedented in our history, to keep in office through every illegal means at his command and that he could summon and bring in people like giuliani, eastman, et cetera, to somehow find a justification. and a terrible thing we see of pence in bob woodward and robert costa's book is how he tried to go along for so long to try and have a democratic election undermined. >> carl bernstein, thank you for joining us. new developments in the gabby petito case. a search for her fiance brian laundrie resumes in the morning. but cnn follows the route that they may have taken to get to a remote camping area. that is next. it helps keep you effortlessly comfortable by sensing your movements and automatically responding to both of you. and, it's temperature balancing to help you stay comfortable all night. it even tracks your circadian rhythm, so you know when you're at your best. in other words, it's the most energy-building, wellness-boosting, parent-powering, proven quality night's sleep we've ever made. don't miss our weekend special. save $1,000 on the sleep number 360 special edition smart bed. plus, 0% interest for 24 months. ends monday. tony here from creditrepair.com taking to the streets to talk about credit. can you repair your credit yourself? 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(music) ♪ i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ (music) ♪ i think to myself ♪ ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ a story you need to pay attention to. a group of ten black women all current or former officers with the washington, d.c., police. filing a class action lawsuit against the department claiming decades of racial and sexual discrimination. a hostile workplace. and a culture of intimidation. they are seeking $100 million in damages and the complete overhaul of the department's personnel practices. so joining me now is officer kia mitchell. the assistant police chief chanel dickerson and pamela keith, the lead attorney in the lawsuit. i'm so glad you're here. you are all very brave. thank you and good evening. assistant chief, i'm going to start with you. i'm so sorry that this happened to you. this lawsuit talks about a systemic pattern of bullying and retaliation within the department. can you tell me about how the incidents of sexual harassment and how it went down and what you experienced. >> well, thank you, don, for asking the question and also saying that you're sorry that this happened to me. most people start off with saying, well, if that happened to you, just believing. so thank you just for believing us and believing me. my sexual harassment and discrimination started early on. i started at the police department when i was 17 years old as a police cadet. i was met by older men, officers, police officials in the department who asked me to engage in sex acts for things of value. and we all know, i was 17. and now i know that i would never agree to anything of value for sex. i did not agree to that. i asked for a transfer. i was told that in order to move up in the department that i would have to have sex, and i would have to go along and get along. and that transitioned throughout my career. i left the department in the area and returned back and i was a civilian employee. and a year after being a civilian, i was met once again being sexually harassed by my lieutenant. he stalked me outside of my house. wanted to engage in sex acts and when i refused, he reduced my lunch break from one hour to 30 minutes. and i had to sign in and out every time i left the office, including going to the bathroom. and three years after that, i became a sworn officer so i'll be celebrating my 25th year as a sworn officer. i have over 30 years total as a law enforcement professional. but it started again. it was just a culture of mpds, sexual harassment -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> no, finish your thought, but i want to get officer mitchell in. >> no, give her her time. i don't want to take all the time. but she has something like really important that i want her story to get out of what was done to her. and i'll just close my part out that, fast forward, it went through all of that, even as an assistant chief. i stand here today with nine other women supporting them, supporting me, standing up for what's right, telling mpd no more of this and we have to stick together. as an assistant chief, as i still experienced discrimination for speaking up about treatment. >> there's retaliatory tactics. it's mentioned in the lawsuit it happened over incidents. so officer mitchell, you mentioned an experience you had. maybe this is what the assistant chief was talking about and you were afraid when you went to report it. tell me about the harassment and retaliation you went through. >> i was in the van with several male officers. mind you, this was an official that did this. this was a sergeant. we did a ride-by. working with the emergency response team because i'm a hostage negotiator. needed to use the bathroom. we were out there for a while. another officer needs to use the bathroom but he chose to relieve himself in the woods whereas this sergeant relieved himself in a bottle behind me. i didn't realize he was urinating until i smelled a very awkward smell and i realized someone else said, hey, you need to be drinking some water because your urine smells strong. i said, wow, i couldn't believe he had just urinated. and when i told my sergeant about it, when i got back, i didn't think he was really going to tell anybody because i didn't want anybody to really say anything because i had just came back as a senior officer. and i was really afraid they wouldn't renew my contract if i, you know, made trouble. if i make waves. that's what we were told. if you made waves, you will not be able to come back and keep your job as a senior officer. >> yeah. >> but he did. he went and told the lieutenant and had a meeting with them and myself. two months later, he was promoted to lieutenant. >> wow. pam. the metropolitan police released a statement addressing these allegations. they say while we cannot discuss the specific allegations due to pending litigation, the metropolitan police department is committed to treating all members fairly and equitably throughout our organization. we take these allegations seriously and we'll be reviewing them thoroughly and responding accordingly. what's your response to this statement, pam? >> well, you know, we have 213 pages that they don't take treating people seriously and treating people fairly. that's the opposite of the truth. the culture of the mpd is that when an officer gets on the wrong side of senior management, they get pushed out. and it's not accidental. it is coordinated. it is targeted. if you remember that movie "a few good men," the chief calls a code red and somebody is pushed out. and that has been proven over and over again. we have ten class representative plaintiffs. all of them have been retaliated against. all of them have experienced being ignored, pushed aside, treated like second class citizens. and so, you know, what is it, all ten of them are lying? i hardly think so. we have 285 years of service to this community amongst them. so what -- they are either all lying, which is not true or what they are talking about doesn't matter, which, of course, is not true. or it does matter and you don't want to do anything about it. and it just remains to be seen what they choose to do about it. >> chief dickerson, you are still employed with the department. you are taking a risk filing this lawsuit. standing up with these other officers, is it worth this potential risk of losing your job? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. i have considered all of the consequences for standing up. but it's standing up for rights, for what's right. for equality. why wouldn't i do that? i cannot worry about myself and watch other women suffer. like i said, i speak out about the disparaging treatment and then i am denied opportunities to attend leadership programs. so it's happening to me. and i cannot stay silent because silence is complicity. >> yeah. well, listen, i have to say that i'm so glad you came here with a bit of a technical problem so we won't get as much time as we had planned for it. will you please keep us updated on what's happening, specially interested in what's happening in the police departments there since january 6th. so it will be interesting to our viewers and to the country and see if you guys get justice for this and what the outcome is. thank you all very much. best of luck. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. we'll be right back. repair.g to the streets to talk about credit. can you repair your credit yourself? yes. -great. how? uhhh... how long does credit repair take? i don't know, like 10 years. what? are you insane? what's a good credit score? go. 600. maybe if you're trying to pay thousands extra in interest rates. cut the confusion, get started with a free credit evaluation at creditrepair.com. 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>> i push the seat and get on down like anybody else. i am in this male-dominated industry and i instantly saw a need to create a space for women, for more women to come in. s.h.e. trucking in the largest platform for women in the trucking industry. we have over 20,000 professional women drivers. i've helped a lot of women get their certification, and being registered in the different departments of government to haul transportation goods. >> if you need a shower, we got you. if you're stuck somewhere, we're a sisterhood. even though we may have never met in person. >> there's trucking in your blood, right? >> it is. my dad is a truck driver. but i do this because of my mom. my mom is one of the strongest people i know. she's a bus driver. i remember many days of opening up the gate, having my mom back up her bus in our yard. i saw her training women. >> together, we're helping others. >> together we're strong. building a legacy. >> nobody thought she could do it because she was 5'3". she walks in a room, she was the only woman, the only black person in a room. and nothing ever fazed her. she's trying to provide an opportunity to be a truck driver, have a career, and economic independence. how are you making change in the industry overall? >> the biggest change we're making is by being a voice. i talk to drivers every single day to figure out what are their challenges, what is going on? a lot of drivers come in, not in the best situation. trucking becomes your safe haven. >> i met her about three years ago. i knew of no female truckers. when i found s.h.e. trucking, it was magical for me. i have four children. i was always a single mother, and in an abusive relationship. it allowed me to get away and make good money, to take care of my family. >> welcome to s.h.e. trucking. it's here to encourage, support, and inspire women to become truckers. >> i looked on youtube, learned how to build a website, how to make my t-shirts. it just grew and grew. >> you look at her now, who has more than 20,000 women that she is providing supplies for, that she's mentoring. she's trying to change the trucking industry so women can thrive and succeed in it. what do you think about your child? >> i'm proud. that's all i like to say. i'm so proud of her. >> she's built this organization to help other people. that's what a champion does. >> erin, she's amazing. erin burnett joins me now, by the way. trucking is still dominated by men and the situations women deal with are shocking. what did you learn? >> it's amazing. this summer, i was in utah, i saw a sign. $80,000 starting salary for truckers, right? full health care, $10,000 bonus. these are good paying jobs. and that's why, you know, she's dedicating her life to getting more and more women in these jobs. but it's dangerous. she talked to me about how even now, there's no designated truck parking. right? it's not well lit. she talks about how at rest stops, you go in. there might be a shower, but not for women and men. there's no locks on the doors. people come in. drivers get robbed. there's sexual assault. there's a lot for women to fear. and that has kept women out. so she's really been championing tackling some of those issues so that more and more women can get in and get these jobs. they pay real money. that single mother is able to support her four children. and she talks about how many of the women are coming out of abusive relationships and some have been homeless. this a huge ticket to a very different life. she'll have people in her home, for weeks at a time, as she is trying to help them get through the certification process and turn their life in the direction they want it to go. >> we do this every year, and it reminds me of the amazing people who are doing inspirational things. erin, thank you for bringing this story. and there's a lot more where this came from. we're spotlighting these everyday people changing the world for the better. champions for change airs saturday night at 8:00 p.m. thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. most bladder leak pads were similar. until always discreet invented a pad that protects differently. with two rapiddry layers. for strong protection, that's always discreet. question your protection. try always discreet. in business, it's never just another day. it's the big sale, or the big presentation. the day where everything goes right. or the one where nothing does. with comcast business you get the network that can deliver gig speeds to the most businesses and advanced cybersecurity to protect every device on it— all backed by a dedicated team, 24/7. every day in business is a big day. we'll keep you ready for what's next. comcast business powering possibilities. hello and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and all around the world. i'm rosemary church. just ahead on cnn newsroom, under water dive teams join the search for gabby petito's fiancee. the latest on the manhunt and a look at where in wyoming the couple spent time. pressure builds on the biden administration as migrants continue to flood the border and deportation methods are criticized. and documents show facebook knows instagram is harmful to the mental health of

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