250 d.c. national guard. this trial is about more than just one police officer's actions or one man's tragic death. which means for many the verdict will be, too. let go to omar jimenez. how is the country reacting now that the jury is deliberating. >> reporter: we're seeing marks and protests calling for the verdict to be guilty against derek chauvin but the jury is deliberating whether they get to that point. this process is close to a year in the making. they are marching through the streets of parts of minneapolis and when you talk about the preparations in place prior to that, law enforcement presence is stepped up and added fort fa c -- fort fa case and all this is in anticipation of a verdict and as people on both sides in this trial made their final pitches to jurors today. >> his name was george floyd, junior. >> the first words in closing arguments for prosecution were not the man in trial but the man they want jurors to remember. >> this case is exactly what you thought when you saw it first. when you saw that video. it is exactly that. you can believe your eyes. >> reporter: the prosecution arguing it was derek chauvin's knee to the neck that eventually killed floyd and the prosecution took jurors back through witness testimony with diagrams and charts reminding them of why they say chauvin is guilty of it all and why he had every opportunity to stop what happened that day. >> he knew better. he didn't do better. >> reporter: making clear this trial was not about the minneapolis police department but about one former minneapolis police officer. >> this is not an anti police prosecution. it a pro police prosecution. >> reporter: the defense began on the topic of what a reasonable officer would have done considering the totality of the circumstances including the violence of the initial struggles. >> the 9 minutes and 29 seconds ignores the previous 16 minutes and 59 seconds. it completely disregards it. it says in that moment at that point nothing else that happened before should be taken into consideration by a reasonable police officer. >> reporter: then, largely sticking to their themes that george floyd died from drug use and his medical h istory, chauvn did what he was expected to do and distracted chauvin. >> in the precise moment, the force was used demonstrates that this was an authorized use of force. as unattractive as it may be. >> reporter: prosecutors pushing back in their opportunity for rebuttal. >> when mr. floyd says please, please, i can't breathe 27 times in just a few minutes, you saw it when mr. chauvin did not let up and get up when he knows he doesn't have a pulse, he doesn't let up or get up. even when the ambulance comes, he doesn't let up or get up even then. >> reporter: each side hoping to leave a dozen jurors with a final impression before they deliberate on one of the most consequential cases in minnesota history as the world watches. >> there is absolutely no evidence that officer chauvin intentionally, purposefully applied unlawful force. >> this wasn't policing. this was murder. >> reporter: at this point -- >> sorry, go ahead. most was brought forward by the defense team that was denied, what did the judge say about that? >> reporter: that's right. part of his frustration was that comment that congresswoman maxine waters made over the weekend in brooklyn center that she felt that pros testest tors needed to stay in the streets and get more confrontational if the verdict is anything but guilty. he said elected officials need to stay out of it when comments go against and are disrespectful to the rule of law and told the defense as part of a motion's hearing after the jury had gone to their deliberations that he feels her comments may have even given them something on appeal that could overturn the results of this trial. but then he brought it back to this case saying he doesn't think it matters here because he trusted the jurors have been staying away from the news as they have been instructed to do so but of course, that jury deliberation process continues. we'll get a notification once they are done for tonight and another notification when they begin in the morning as all of us, we have plans for the anticipation of the vicerdict b at this point all we can do is wait. >> appreciate it, thanks so much, omar. i want to go to miguel marquez with the markers. tell us about where you are and what you're seeing. >> reporter: we're downtown minneapolis, since that verdict was handed over -- or the jurors got the opportunity to start debating the vicerdict, this crd started gathering and i'll give you a sense of what it sounds like. they have been not only chanting but lots of speeches and a rallying cry by many people who have been affected by police violence all afternoon calling for equal justice. i was going to point out here, check this out. we're right next to a government center here and the fence -- this is all razor wire. they put barricades in here and this is what many of the government buildings look like down here. many of the private buildings are boarded up as though they're expecting a hurricane to come to town. the speeches say look, this is a situation where if they don't get a guilty verdict on all of those counts, that that is going to be a concern for many of them. they want to see all three counts, if they don't see all three counts, a guilty verdict, they believe that's a problem for the justice system that inequality they are concerned with. it's not just george floyd. it's not just daunte wright but the justice system across the board. it's those everyday transactions with people of color that they are concerned with that is very, very frustrating to them and they're hoping that the verdict that they expect in the next couple days, i don't know if they will be out here all night. i know they're planning another gathering tomorrow morning down here at the courthouse so it looks like there is going to be almost a 24-hour like vigil in hein minneapolis to await this verdict. >> mr. crump, what did you make of the closing arguments and how much impact do you think they have on the jury? >> listen, i thought they were very persuasive. i thought that both the prosecution who presented at closing presented evidence objective evidence that officer derek chauvin's use of force was not reasonable, it was not propo proportional, it was excessive, it violated their policies and most importantly, anderson cooper, it violated the law. >> as you know, you know, better than most, there is a history in this country of police officers being very difficult to convict or usually give them the benefit of the doubt. in your mind, is there something that makes the case against derrick chauvin different? >> well, i think -- i understand completely the history, the difficulty of prosecuting and convicting a police officer for killing a black person unjustly in america. i've been black all my life and we've lived this experience. this isn't something that we watch on television, this is something we lived our entire lives but i do believe this is unique, this chauvin trial because never in my professional career have i seen our police chief and the police leadership in a department come and testify against their police officer in their department and say that what he did was not our policy. we cannot condone this. we were not in any way trying to justify this unjustifiable action of this officer. that's completely different than what we've ever seen because normally, they will hide behind the blue wall of silence, but i pray with this jury's verdict there will be a precedent set no longer will officers not tell the truth. they will tell the truth just like they want everybody in our community to do so when they say we see something. well, this is your opportunity our police in america to show us how it's done. >> a fau ew weeks ago you were quoted if people don't believe the process is fair and transparent and the protest to child's play to the aftermath of the verdict, do you believe the process is fair and transparent? >> i think it has been fair and transparent. i think that the judge has tried to do everything appropriate to make sure that their case is now only fair and datransparent but everyone is extended due process of the law. that's something often that marginalized minorities especially black people who are killed and these police excessive use of force cases that we rarely see and that's why george floyd's killing in the trial of derek chauvin is such an important referendum on how far we have come in america in our quest to live up to the promise of equal justice under the law because understand, anderson cooper, if george floyd was a white american citizen, nobody will be saying this is a hard case. this is a challenging case. they would have said from day one when they saw that video, bloody murder and they will expect the justice to be swift but because he was a black man face down and handcuffed, everybody is questioning whether we can get justice. >> you know, the floyd family is not only going through a personal tragedy and have been since george floyd's death but it's on a global scale. it's a very public tragedy, as well, and people look to them for messages. i'm wondering what the floyd family message is to demonstrators and others waiting and watching. >> you know, george floyd family has been so dig fied and gracefl through this entire ordeal. they always asked for people to protest peacefully, but they have always thanked them for exercising their first amendment right and saying that george floyd's life matters, and now they are going above and beyond and trying to be of comfort and counsel to the family of daunte wright, who you know was killed within 10 miles of the very courtroom where derek chauvin has been tried for killing george floyd. so i think through not what they say but their actions, both these families, they are teaching the protesters how to call for justice but in an effective way and non-violent way. >> benjamin crump, appreciate your time tonight, thank you. >> thank you. next, what the white house is doing ahead of a verdict and how well each side made its case, next. how great is it that we get to tell everybody how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? 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>> reporter: there are tvs lining the halls in the oval office. they have been watching this closely and president biden himself has, as well and one thing he's also been doing, anderson, preparing for what the response to the verdict is going to be and part of that is a heightened concern about potential unrest in minnesota and the nation over what this could look like, something that we've seen play out time and time again. we're seeing crowds gather there on the ground in minneapolis and one group that he did consult about this, anderson, was the congressional black caucus last week talking to them about his concerns about what the unrest could look like. his aides have been reaching out to local authorities, state officials to gauge where they are and where they need help and what their expecting to come out of this. >> do we know if the president has any plans to address this country once a verdict comes in? >> reporter: yes, jen psaki told us in the briefing room we'll hear from president biden regardless of what the verdict is and one thing we talked about with her today were things like the comments from max sine wate and jen psaki said while the president understands the anguish and how emotional these situations can become. we've seen them play out unfortunately, time and time again president biden sticks by his calls for peaceful protest and they believe that's the response and the way people should make their opinions heard. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. a quick look at who is doing the deliberating. two jurors taking part with two alternates who watched standing by. three of the 14 are in their 20s, three are in 30s and 40s, four in her 50s, one in her 60s. two describe themselves as mixed race. eight white, four black. cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and d.c. police chief and former police commissioner in philadelphia and criminal defense attorney kathryn flynn who represented one of the baltimore police officers cleared in the death of freddie gray. laura, closing arguments, what you heard, what did you make of what both sides did in their cases? >> i thought the prosecution was as strong as they have been over the course of the trial. it no easy thing to bring the testimony and thread the needles to make sure you remind jurors about what exactly they heard and remind them about the different testimony and which key eloquenements are important. there was part people think maybe it was dull to go through the elements. that's where the trials get convictions or acquittals. it's the job of the prosecution because the burden remains with them to walk the jury through element by element for each of the charges that are contemplated. if they don't do that, you'll have juries going back out and saying look, what did that mean again? which witness was that? how did they prove the case? they have to do heavy lifting and proving it. for the defense side, their job is to poke holes and take away a piece from the jigsaw puzzle that's been created but they remain in effective because this is a very, very bad case for the defense. why? it's not just about the interpretation or proserspectiv but a 9 minute 29 second star witness, the video. it's about the words of george floyd and it's also although not told to take into consideration the silence of the officer, the only impression they have is the one about the sinister arrogance promoted by the prosecution with no one to support or rebut that presumption, that's lingering in the jury's mind. >> kathryn, i want to play a clip pfrom the judge today talking about the defense's motion for a mistrial based on the comments from congresswoman waters. >> i'm aware of the media reports. i'm aware congresswoman waters was talking specifically about this trial and about the unacceptability of anything less than a murder conviction. i wish elected officials would stop talking about this case especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch and our function. >> he went on to say that on appeal, they may be able to use that quite effectively, actually, to overturn whatever verdict takes place. from your experience as a defense attorney, what did you make of that? the defense arguing for a mistrial in your view or getting the issue in the trial record in case of a possible appeal? >> i think obviously, they're trying to get it into the a appellate record. the judge didn't make an effort to voir dire the jurors to see if they heard the comments and the only way it potentially could have impacted the jury is if one of the jurors had raised the issue they heard it or if the court had voir dired them about that. it was smart of them to raise it. that's one of the things they have to do is try and protect that apalate record in case of a conviction. good idea to raise it. >> chief ramsey, we don't know the outcome nor does law enforcement but they have to prepare for an ineventuality. >> the preparation started a few weeks ago when this trial first kicked off. i know that friday the u.s. conference of mayors and chiefs had a conference call to talk about preparation along with the police executive research forum that had a separate call with about 1,000 police chiefs from across the country to talk about past demonstrations, things that went well, things that didn't go so well so we can all learn because there is going to be demons demonstrations. there is no question about that. the question is how intense will they be? if there is an acquittal, i can only imagine what it will look like but i think if there is a conviction, the possibility of having some unrest is always there. it won't be anything like the scale you'll see if there is an acquittal or two out of the three charges he's acquitted on, but it could still there be because you'll have a small group of folks that just want to get out and do something illegal quite frankly. >> laura, do you think the comments by congresswoman waters would be possibly basis for a successful appeal? >> no, i don't think it has any legs and here is why. remember, this is something that had a vis rceral emotional reaction across the entire nation since last may. the former president weighed in on this particular case a number of members of congress weighed in on this issue over the course of time and the idea of trying to truly meaningfully sequester a jury from a high profile case can be an exercise in through '. the prosecution did not meet the burden if the jury. >> reporter: are moved and persuaded by violence in their town and undermines what we've seen over the course of three weeks. they have went through a very compelling case with over 30 witnesses. they have proven different elements of the crime to suggest that the jurors are impartial except when it doesn't benefit the defense is an oddity. instead, the way to look at this comprehensively is did the judge do all that he could to meaningful assure they were instructed to be impartial. with voir dire they were asked questions what they thought about the unrest and violence and not over the course of the weekend with the killing of daunte wrights, it was for months and months. the golfs never to have a jury with an ostrich with their head in the sand. the goal is to have people impartial, not ignorant to the case. >> at this stage, i'm wondering for attorneys how much sense did they have of what the jurors may be inclined to vote? i know you experienced firsthand a hung jury in the case with the officers charged in the death of freddie gray. did you have a sense it was headed in that direction? >> well, i think if any lawyers say they know what they think the jurors are thinking, they're wrong. they have absolutely no idea what those 12 people are thinking and remember, these 12 people have never talked to anybody about the evidence that they've seen. they were instructed every time they went out into a reses not to talk to each other and so each of those people is bringing their own perspective as it's a brand-new conversation that they're all having and the lawyers, we all think we have a lot of control over exactly what is going to happen in the jury room. we think our words make a difference. but for the sake of argument, most jurors probably actually pay attention to the facts. they're instructed what the jurors have to say is not the law. that is not evidence. and they pay attention to the facts. so we spend a lot of time guessing on what we think is happening inside the jury room and usually we're wrong. >> interesting. >> how the jury reaches a verdict is quite interesting and usually not kpat what the lawyee predicting. >> fascinating. thank you. two incidents occurring at this incredibly tense moment involving race and relations and each involving a separate congresswoman. marjorie taylor greene and max seen -- maxine waters, their response and reaction from a democratic colleague when we return. thank you! hey, hey, no, no limu, no limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ it doesn't happen often. everyday people taking on the corporate special interests. and winning. but now, the for the people act stands on the brink of becoming law. ensuring accurate elections. iron-clad ethics rules to crack down on political self-dealing. a ban on dark money. and finally reducing corporate money in our politics. to restore our faith in government. because it's time. for the people to win. this is wealth. because it's time. ♪ ♪ this is worth. that takes wealth. but this is worth. and that - that's actually worth more than you think. don't open that. wealth is important, and we can help you build it. but it's what you do with it, that makes life worth living. principal. for all it's worth. we're watching protesters gather. the jury is still deliberating at this hour and a curfew is called for 11:00 p.m. local time for brooklyn center, minnesota. we referred to the judge mentioning maxine waters, specifically comments she made to protesters in minnesota saturday night that he said could be grounds for an appeal. here is exactly what the congresswoman said. >> we got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active. we've got to get more confrontational. we've got to make sure that they know that we mean business. >> a short time ago congresswoman waters said her reference to confrontational was meant in the civil rights movement non-violent history. quote, the whole self rights movement is confrontation. when pressed on the judge stating that her remarks could be grounds for appeal, she said oh, no, no, they didn't despite the judge saying so in the courtroom. f speaker pelosi said waters has nothing to apologize for but mccarthy introduced it in the house. congress woman, tanks for being with us. i'm wondering your reaction to the comments from congress woman waters. >> listen, i think this is a red herring the defense counsel is trying to bring. he doesn't have a case as we saw from the supposed expert witnesses that he brought forward, defense counsel will pull at anything they can to try and remove and cascade anyone else as we saw him even doing with george floyd making the victim, the individual who was killed by the police officer in someway being the person who caused his own death. so i'm not moved by what maxine waters says and neither should all of us. kevin mccarthy should be concerned with what is happening within his own caucus when we had an insurrection, when we've had issues here with the american people kevin mccarthy was reading dr. seuss books. when he had individuals in his own caucus, taylor greene, matt gaetz, doing the most outrageous not just dog whistles but out right racist comments, he hasn't made any move to remove them or or sensor them or reprimand him. how dare they have a discussion about maxine waters. he needs to look at his own caucus and clean up his own house. >> terms of what she said, is it helpful at a time like this if a conservative republican had said that about, you know, a rally of protrump protesters, a lot of democrats would no doubt said wait a minute, they are telling people to be confrontational with police when they're on the streets. is that really helpful? >> i think what maxine waters says is that we should confront the system that's created. the individuals have to be out there to protest. >> she didn't actually say that, though. >> that's what we need to confront on a regular basis. that, you know, police officers are killing our children. i have four sons that i worry about all the time, a black husband, black children, a black father, and my own black father, a police officer, wants very much who have been on the new york city police force for 30 years wants more than anything to remove bad cops because the worst thing a good cop can have is bad police officers on the force. so those are the things that i'm interested in confronting. i believe that we need to continue to have protests to raise awareness and there can of course, be peaceful protest. we're making the assumption all protest is violent and leads to looting and rioting. there are so many peaceful protests, anderson, in the last year that have led to the discussions that we're having now that have led to the george floyd justice and policing act, to issues relating to voting rights. kevin mccarthy is not interested in talking about voting rights, creating a jobs bill to continue to lift this country out of the issues that it has and why are we continuing to point the finger on individuals that are trying to raise awareness rather than putting the glare on those who continue to hold up systemic racism and the system that holds so many americans back. >> let me ask you about marjorie taylor greene you just referenced, she was getting ready to launch a so-called america first caucus, the promotional flier for the group obtained by reporters referred to respecting anglo-saxon political traditions that sparked outrage, disbelief from some members of her own party and greene's office backtracked saying she has nothing to do with that language and was never going to launch such a caucus. do you buy that? >> no, i think what she said was that what she -- that the proposal that was put out was something that an outside group had presented to her and that they were going through the issues. she was continually backtracking on something we all know she's been interested in because if you read the outlines of what the plan was, the seven-page manifesto by this group, it speaks exactly to the things that she has spoken about not just in her time in congress but even before that. the antis-semitic racist language that she continually spouts on her bully pulpit here in congress with other individuals who said that they're interested in willing to be part of this caucus. i would note also, anderson, that we need to be careful about this group and others like it because although this is a phrase that the former president trump likes to use america first, many of his form er individuals in the administration are forming super pacs and think tanks with the same name. a neo-nazi group with any other name is the same thing. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. a live shot of protesters gathering waiting for the decision in the derrick chauvin trial. we'll go to minneapolis next for a check in on this demonstration that we've been seeing when we continue. not everybody wants the same thing. that's why i go with liberty mutual — they customize my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. 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>> first, i want to thank you for having me on your show. when we waited for the jury to deliberate, it was a lot of anxiousness, a lot of praying, you know, crying. just waiting and hoping that the jury would give the right verdict and find the officer guilty of not involuntarily manslaughter but guilty of second-degree murder, and that did not happen, as you know. he was only found guilty of involuntarily manslaughter and part of that, the reason he was sentenced so light is because the judge said he gave the jury the wrong instructions. and so the jury who had at first convicted him of a gun enhancement charge, that was throughout so the charge of involuntarily manslaughter was the only charge given to the officer and he served 11 months in county jail. >> you know, i think a lot of the country has heard of your son's death and how he was killed. i'm not sure a lot of people heard from you or a family member, a loved one about who your son was, about who oscar was. can you just tell us a little bit about him? >> yes. oscar was a young man who loved to help people. he loved to be a leader. he would stand up for what was right. the night that he was killed, he actually was tells his friends to follow the directions, just listen to what they say and do what they say and when he saw his friend being handled roughly and he stood up and he wanted to talk to someone in charge and that's when he ended up losing his life for standing for what was right. oscar was the type of person where when a young lady who walked into the store where he walked at, didn't know how to cook fish. he called us at home and asked how do you cook the fish? what do you need to do? we spoke to the young lady and my mother was able to share with her what type of fish to buy and how to cook it. oscar loved his daughter so very much. you know, one of the funny stories was when he found out that his fiancee was having a girl, he hung two flags on the outside of his car that was pink which said it a girl and he would drive down the street with her, you know, i remember times him calling and saying, you know, combing her hair and telling her the night before he was killed that they were going to go to chuck e. cheese the next day and unfortunately, his life was taken and he didn't have that opportunity. >> when you heard about another killing in minnesota and an officer who, you know, said that she didn't mean to use a taser or actually the police of chief in brooklyn center, minnesota said he believed the officer meant to deploy the taser instead of fatally shooting daunte wright, similar way your son was killed, i'm wondering what you thought. >> oh, you know, my heart bled for the family and my con condolences to that family, to the wright family. you know, there was three important ways that daunte's story relates to my son's story. both cases involved video capturing of unarmed african american young men. the second way was both cases reveal that there is a national consensus of whether the officer was justified in using deadly force. we can see that the story has been reported by the chief of police and in the same with oscar's case, it was reported that way, as well, and in both of their cases, the chief of police at that time, they both resigned, and the third thing that we can see is that there is still a they both resigned. and the third thing that we can see is that there is still a deep seated fear in many police officers, not all but some police officers, have that deep-seated fear oftentimes because they do not live in the communities where they serve, and then the stereo types of african-american have cost them to fear african-americans, and instead of doing their job without being fearful, they do their job fearfully, and it oftentimes causes african-american and brown young men to lose their lives. >> yeah. >> so this is a national thing that must be looked at and trained, must go forth, when it comes to dealing with african-american and brown young men. >> yeah. well, sadly, another thing that both your son and daunte wright have in common is they have families that love them dearly and miss them terribly. i appreciate you being with us, representing your son tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, i'll talk with a key senator pressing ahead with gun control in congress in the wake of more gun violence across the country this weekend. i think the sketchy website i bought this turtle from stole all of my info. ooh, have you looked on the bright side? 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>> i do. listen, the voters did their part. they put in charge of congress majorities that support universal background checks. they put a president in the white house who wants to sign that bill. now it's up to us to deliver. 2013 now, eight years ago, we lost a vote on background checks. and since then, we've been building up political power in the anti-gun violence movement. today we are stronger than the gun lobby. and i think that's part of the reason why i am having, i think, real substantive discussions with several republicans about how we can bring a bill to the senate floor in the next month or two that will dramatically expand the number of gun sales that have to be submitted to background checks. so many of the guns used are illegal gun, guns sold to criminals, people with serious mental illness. my hope is we can break the log jam and get something passed in the near future that will save lives of the i think that's possible. >> do you think there are enough republican votes only? >> you need republican vote right now to pass this in the senate. this is not something you can do through this process of reconciliation. occasionally you get a chance to pass something with 50 votes. under the current rules, you need 60 votes and ten republicans. i spent the last couple weeks on the phone with almost half the republican caucus asking them to keep an open mind. and i really think that there is a think that be the able to get 60. maybe that's not on universal gr background checks on every single sale but i think there's a good chance that we can dramatically expand the number of background checks done in this country. maybe have a series of natural incentives for state to pass these red flag laws to take guns away from dangerous people. there are some really that are things. i don't want to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. i'm sick of this being used as a political kugel. i would rather make some progress. >> indiana has the so-called red flag laws on the books. it worked in the sense that they did take, i believe, it was a should go on away from him. the gunman bought other weapon that's he used to kill eight people in the fedex facility. they said they need enforce the laws they already have. do you think that has some validity in this case in. >> well, in this case, from what we know, it doesn't appear that they fully utilized indiana's red flag law. they didn't put him on the prohibited list, or the list of people prohibited from buying guns. even had they done that, in indiana, that wouldn't have stopped him from buying a gun because they don't have unit versal background checks. so red flag laws dome work unless you have universal background checks meaning the person is prohibited from buying a gun. whether they go to a gun store or they go online to buy a gun. so i think you need both. even in this case. had he been only list, yes, he would have walked into a gun store and not be able to buy a gun. then he could have gone to a gun show or gone online. so you have to do both. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. the news continues now. i hand it over to chris for prime time. >> thank you. i appreciate it. i will chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. what will the verdict be? that's the question hanging over this country. the jury, george floyd has the job to stay truthful that's what verdict literally means. to speak the truth. and deliberations are still ongoing in the george floyd murder case. it began earlier today, an entire nation is awaiting the verdict. you're looking at minneapolis. protesters, peaceful, gathered tonight. cities from coast to coast are bracing for the outcome. the question is why? the first reason is because of this. this video. the imag

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