spot right now, those were her words. what steps are being taken to get this outbreak under control? >> reporter: jim, we can continue to borrow some of the words used by health officials here in michigan. quote, overwhelmed, according to chief medical officer that brought us up to speed with the numbers. telling us right now they're tracking close to 1,000 outbreaks across the state. about 18% of covid tests right now are coming back positive, four-times higher than where these numbers were in february, the way these numbers are going they could potentially surpass some of the numbers that we saw last spring, back to those outbreaks that state health officials are monitoring across the state, 291 of those outbreaks have been linked to youth sports, that's why yesterday we heard from governor whitmer a long list of recommendations, not requirements, but recommendations including that high school return to remote learning for a couple of weeks after spring break, some of those youth sports suspend practice or also some games at least for the next couple of weeks because they say that those numbers of those outbreaks are concrete proof that that is leading to some transmission especially young adults, and you have the potential of getting a surge in vaccinations here which governor whitmer is trying to convince the biden administration to significantly increase the amount of vaccinations here but so far no luck. >> i made the case for a surge strategy, at this point, that's not being deployed. i'm not giving up. today it's michigan and the midwest, tomorrow it could be another section of our country. >> reporter: now we've heard from multiple experts as well speaking to that point that the governor touched on right now, that all states should receive the same amount of vaccines, that the government should consider where the covid numbers are, michigan is certainly ahead of the pack sadly here and they want to bring those numbers down and finally another key recommendation that the governor laid out yesterday is for people to stop indoor dining at least for now, instead stick to outdoor dining, stick to takeout as they try to bring these numbers back down, and some criticism i'm hearing on the ground that many people wish they would have seen this as a mandate versus a recommendation. the governor said policy won't get things in the right direction but vaccinations. >> right, lockdowns are no good if they're going to be ignored and the governor knows that. some hearts and minds need to be changed in the middle of this pandemic so we can get it over with. joining us now is dr. leana wen. doctor it's great to see you always. as you look at what's happening in michigan and other hard-hit states what has to happen to bring these cases under control? 80,000 cases yesterday even with these vaccines going up, it doesn't make any sense. >> right, jim, we're trending in the wrong direction, we're clearly in the middle of a fourth surge here and what's happening in michigan, minnesota, other places will soon spread to the rest of the country because of this more contagious variant. the uk variant has become dominant here in the u.s. it's the dominant strain. it's now crowded out all of the other variants and this one is more transmissable, more virulent, younger people are becoming infected with it. the activities that we thought were safer, people are getting it. i think the governor of michigan is right that policy alone is not going to do the job because you can imagine you can ban indoor dining but if people are going to be gathering indoors in their homes to have dinner that's not really much, that's hurting the economy without getting this under control. places that don't have mask mandates absolutely must have them and we have to send a strong message, get vaccinated, until you're vaccinated don't gather indoors with individuals and stay away from crowded indoors places until you're fully vaccinate zmrd doctor, you know, more than 68 million americans are fully vaccinated and that's a great number but as vaccinations continue there's this debate over whether or not proof of immunization should be required in the form of a so-called vaccine passport, you think that's a misleading term, you say we need to stop using that phrase, explain that for us. >> well, vaccine passport, that terminology is divisive, it's polarizing and it's actually inaccurate because when you think of passport, a government i.d., like a driver's license and you need to show this in order to get certain societal benefits. restricted from certain freedoms if you don't have it. that's not what people are proposing when we're talking about proof of vaccination. right now if you have to go to a doctor or a dentist you have to fill out a symptom questionnaire. the vaccine proof of vaccine is actually something like that maybe you don't have to do all those other things to show that you are now fully vaccinated. what i find really troubling there are government officials, governors that are saying private businesses aren't allowed to enforce their own rules when business identities are trying to innovate so they can keep their customers, give their customers peace of mind, i think it's government over-reach when governors aren't allowing private entities do their part to help their customers. >> yeah, maybe we should think of it as an ez-pass or a fast pass, to get us into the events if we have been vaccinated. let's move on to this next question, yesterday, pfizer requested an amendment to its eua to expand use in kids ages 12 to 15 in the u.s., is that a good idea as we're seeing this surge in cases and as you were just saying, a surge in cases among young people? >> absolutely. this is extremely promising, pfizer last week announced they have data showing that for 12-year-old to 15-year-olds that the vaccine that they have safe with no adverse concerning safety signals and very effective, so far it looks like it's 100% effective in this group they're studying, i think this will be excellent because we know older children transmiss the virus similar to adults, more than younger children do, we know that older children like all children can get ill, so having the vaccine will be able to protect them but also very importantly if we have any chance of reaching herd immunity, we need to have our children to have some level of protection as well, i'm very optimistic about this, it will be a game-changer if highschool-aged students are able to be vaccinated before next school year. >> a nurse in brazil, you got to see this is going viral for a technique which she calls the little hand method she used gloves filled with warm water to heat the hands of her covid patients to properly measure their oxygen levels, she came up with the idea when treating a patient whose hand was too cold. what's your reaction to that? could that be used here? >> we have a lot of methods here to accurately measure the oxygen level especially in critically ill patient. all of these innovations, in theirpies, among frontline workers who have had to take care of patients under really difficult circumstance and absolutely. lot of professionals have had to be very creative all of this. doctor, thank you for joining us. our own dr. sanjay gupta, join him on a journey on why some people are scared of vaccines. in the trial of derek chauvin this week, filled with testimony from medical and law enforcement officials, why their testimony may be damming for the defense. that's next. lavender baths calmed him. so we made a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com ♪ ♪ listerine® cleans find virtually 100%.utual advisor at nm.com helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™ the harry's razor is not the same ♪ because some of us are not the same ♪ our close shave comes from our 5 german-engineered blades designed to start sharp and stay sharp. and we never upcharge you for high quality. so for those of us who don't want just the same, harry's razors are here. harry's. not the same. available in store and at harrys.com. we started with computers. we didn't stop at computers. we didn't stop at storage or cloud. we kept going. working with our customers to enable the kind of technology that can guide an astronaut back to safety. and help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it. so when it comes to your business, you know we'll stop at nothing. country has been living through another week of gut-wrenching testimony in the trial of former police officer derek chauvin the prosecution this week had its witnesses walk us through george floyd's final minutes of life, we heard from both medical examiner who conducted floyd's autopsy as well as forensic pathologist. but a world renowned pulmonary exp expert. >> not against the tire and to most people this doesn't look terribly significant but this is significant because this tells you that he has used up his resources and he's now literally trying to breathe with his fingers. >> the use of fentanyl didn't cause the neck restraint. his heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint, in my opinion the law enforcement subdual restraint. >> there's no evidence to suggest he would have died that night except for the interactions with law enforcement. >> and joining former detroit police chief and joey jackson. do they think they got what they n needed to show -- >> i don't think there's any question about that, we have to back up from the medical testimony and look first to the use of force testimony, in looking at that you're looking at whether or not the force was objectively reasonable. establishing that, there was no objectable reasonableness. what does that mean in english? it means number one, you assess the severity of the crime. a counterfeit $20 bill not responding to something of high significance. if you look at the videotape, a point in time, any reassessment by chauvin would have established that he was compliant whether that was because he could not -- could no longer comply or under control, the fact is he was compliant, the immediacy of the threat you assess and we can all draw our own conclusions. finally you look to the level of resistance it was nonexistence, chiefs and everyone else coming on the stand we're about the sanctity of life that was damning. pivoting to the medical testimony, the defense is trying to say it was covid, it was hypertension, heart disease, 90% blockage of his arteries. it was everything. it's important to understand the rules of engagement and very briefly those rules suggest that all the prosecution has to establish that the knee on the neck was the substantial cause not the only cause. if the prosecution shows as i think they did very compellingly that the knee on the neck was the substantial factor the matter is pretty closed and pretty well established. >> i want to play more from dr. martin tobin, renowned pulmonary expert. >> the knee remains on the neck for another 3:27 after he takes his last breath. there's the knee remains after there's no pulse, the knee remains on the neck for another 2:44 after the officers have found themselves there's no pulse the knee remains on the neck another 2:44. >> chief, as a former police chief can you think of aen officer needing to kneel on someone who doesn't have a pulse? >> i have never ever seen a situation of this sort the world saw a man die on tv, i mean not like the tv stories but for 9:30 a man held his knee on a person's neck, what's really stands out for me i was shot by a fellow officer and i was beaten up by the police when i was 14 years old, the same look the officer had his face was the same look the officers had on their face when they did that to me. it seemed like everyone in the department those guys were wrong. i'm hoping that the jury will say, look, this is really something, this is a truly unusual that the entire depa department, these officers are wrong and not have i think what his attorney is trying to do have a one person say, the officer did his job, there's no such thing, he did not do his job. >> i mean, i think that's extraordinary, too, the number of law enforcement officials in that department testifying in this case. you never see that. this isn't a code of silence that we're seeing in this trial. joey, jurors were engaged in taking notes, they watched every video, graphic, they were uninstructed to touch their own necks and feel different parts of their throat. the jury is just riveted by what they're seeing. >> jim, there's no question about that, you have to valid date the medical testimony. if you look at the medical testimony there were xikts, xikts that were put together with the purpose of aiding the jurors of suspects in prone position, how breathing could be eased. when you look at the charges the testimony of tobin and the others went to those three charges. if you could establish an assault and as a result of that assault is a death that gets you second-degree murder punishable by 40 years. tobin's testimony and the other medical testimony also established inhumanity, it established how could you, the deprivation of oxygen that gets you the depravity charge which is third-degree murder. 25 years. to the last charge which is manslaughter in the third degree, they say look, there are rules, policies, regulations, he's a 19-year veteran, isn't he at least negligent? that gets you to manslaughter. i think it's been a compelling week for the prosecution. >> chief, there was a moment where dr. tobin talked about how dangerous it is to someone just because they can talk that they can breathe, do you think that's a common misconception? >> there's no question. look, i think first of all, i think joey would be great doing the closing arguments for the prosecution here with all the things he said. but i think as i said before, the defense is looking for one person on that jury because there's no question he's not going to have everyone probably but one person to say the officer was doing his job, that doctor and everyone else saying this was wrong, let's go through this step by step and you know, there are people, have come to me and they said, what was on that officer's mind, how could you do something like that? most people are thinking that way when they see something like that or saw exactly what occurred there, a person died and the officer appeared not to care at all. he dehumanized george floyd. >> chief mckinnon, joey jackson, thank you so much for joining us coming up, a florida congressman doubles down and strikes a defiant tone to a female crowd all while under investi investigation. >> i may be a wanted man by the deep state. but i hear the millions of americans who feel forgotten. keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at indeed.com/promo ooh, look daveed, my delivery is here. got your birdseed bread, your birdseed butter ...aaaand... an 87-pound bag of birdseed. enjoy. whoa. and that's just lunch. 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>> hi, jim, thank you for hosting me on your show. when everyone talks about the crisis at the border, part of the problem with that framing it focuses on the border which is what the united states has done as part of its failed domestic policy strategy for decades. the real crisis is in real central america, the real crisis what these families are living through the desperation they face that drives them to our nation's front door, there's an additional crisis a crisis of leadership that spans decade as i mentioned. our country has focussed only on enforcement and not thinking of what's happening outside of our nation's front door and we're now living the consequences of that failed domestic policy and failed foreign policy as well. >> and you told the intercept you're worried about some, quote, sick forces in the border patrol, people who you think want to see a more compassionate approach to the failed approach by the trump administration. >> i want to say in the greater context and i said this to the intercept as well, we need the to recognize there are a number of really great, hardworking agents, people who are put in terrible situations because of this failed leadership that spans decades, but there are some folks within that agency that do want to see a more compassionate approach fail, i've heard it myself, our advocates have heard it, folks believe we should go back to cruelty as tactic. title 42 is a good policy, these are not good policies. thankfully the biden administration is unwinding -- title 42 is still in place. i host td secretary mayorkas with all who shared harrowing stories and their gratitude that mpp is finally being unwound. we have an agency where good folks are protected, you know when you root out some of the bad elements you elevate and uplift and support the good elements regardless of what ever agency it is and that was part of the conversation with the intercept. >> you made headlines this week for also saying that you think trump's former senior adviser stephen miller should be behind bars for, quote, human rights violations because of the policy of separating children. you really want stephen miller locked up? >> it's not a question of what i want, jim, it's a question of what is just and what is right, what we saw during the trump administration were some egregious human rights violations and the administration and our government at the hand of that administrations damaged generations of children and families, hundreds of those families, jim, have yet to be reunited. some of those children, many of those children were infants when they were separated from their families, it will be very, very difficult to reunite them with their families, they can't identify their parents because they were taken as infants, these are the kind of human rights abuses that our nation would condemn and call for justice if they were happening in another place. >> so you think stephen miller should be prosecuted for this, what do you think? >> no i was not overstating them. that's my opinion. i stand by it. >> and do you think that that -- do you think that takes the conversation in the wrong direction, how can you a debate with the other side, that's what trump talked about, he talked about locking up political adversaries. >> i have focused on solutions. i bring congressional delegations to el paso, i have reached out to across the aisle to republican colleagues, invited them to come and participate, i had a bipartisan congressional delegation here two weeks ago because my focus is solution, but when i'm asked a question i'll respond honestly and candidly so i was asked about what i thought about the prior administration's speckly as it per tand to folks like stephen miller, people who are architects of some of the most abhorrent cruelty of our generation, but my focus and my priority is solutions, and so i published an op-ed in "the new york times" where i laid out a plan that i think is pretty comprehensive and wholistic and a plan that could get towards stability in the western hemisphere but also embrace our values, our american values and create a system that's focused on compassion. >> congresswoman, i want to ask you about gun control, obviously you had that horrific mass shooting in el paso, that community is still recovering that, i know that all too well, but recently you know this past week, president biden announced a series of proposals to address gun violence, do they go far enough? >> well, it's a start, you know my hope would be that we could work together both the house of representatives and the u.s. senate and bring forward solutions that are commonsense approaches to the gun violence epidemic in our country. in the house of representatives we've seen bipartisan bills that are widely supported by the american public. in the senate, because it's become basically unable to govern because it has become all about the status quo because of that filibuster, i support the president's efforts via the executive orders. those executive orders are a beginning, you know -- we have to take a comprehensive look at this epidemic which includes gun violence prevention legislation and research, it includes investment in programs that work, so executive orders alone won't address the violent, horrific, vepidemic that the country has been there. >> all right, congressman veronica escobar, thank you for coming on. a quick programming note, make sure you tune in next hour, congresswoman escobar she was just talking about the filibuster i'll be interviewing former senate minority leader harry reid coming up. coming up. don't miss the powerful new cnn series the people versus the klan, it premieres tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. i always dreamed of having kids of my own. ♪ ♪ now i'm ready for someone to call me mom. at northwestern mutual, our version of financial planning helps you live your dreams today. the anti-deaf magds league is calling on fox news to fire host tucker carlson for pushing a racist theory that's been a favorite of white supremacists for years. it replacement theory is one that imagines falsely that white people are being intentionally replaced by third world immigrants to, quote, dilute american voters. and while that is a ridiculous lie we're going to play you tucker carlson it was remarks so you can fully understand why they're so toxic. >> i know tat the left and all the little gate keepers on twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term "replacement," if you suggest the democratic party is trying to replace the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots with new people, more obedient voters from the third world. if you change the population you dilute the political power of the people who live there. so every time they import a new voter i become disenfranchised as a current voter. everyone wants to make a racial issue out of it. ooh, the white replacement theory. no, no, no. this is a voting rights question. >> so bizarre. our chief media correspondent and host of reliable sources, brian stelter joins me now. brian, this is hardly the first time that tucker carlson and i'm not sure why he spells carlson with one "k" sometimes but will fox make anything about what he's doing over there? >> there's no way fox will do a thing. he's untouchable because he's such a highly rated host for fox news. he's increasingly the face of fox news so the murdocks tolerate everything. fox has not publicly responded to that letter. the adl has not heard anything back from fox i'm aware of, but as you said there is a history to these comments. they can't be viewed in ice laze. here's some examples of carlson in the past talking about the same rhetorical line of argument. >> this may be a lot of things, this moment we're living through, but it is definitely not about black lives and remember that when they come from you, and at this rate they will. if you were to assemble a list, a hierarchy of concerns of problems this country faces, where would white supremacy be on the list, right up there with russia probably. this is a hoax just like the russia hoax. just 16 years later hazelton is majority hispanic. that's a lot of change. how would you feel if that happened in your neighborhood? >> and that's the face of fox news. he's also the poster child for what van jones called five years ago the white lash, this white resistance to a changing country. tucker carlson, that is very much his brand. he has a lot of viewers who seem to be with him, and nox is not going to take any action against him. >> and brian, i'm sure there are folks whose heads are exploding just seeing you and i talk about the subject together, but let's talk about some of this. help people understand how dangerous this idea of replacement theory is. it was actually the driving force in some recent mass shootings. >> christchurch in new zealand and closer to home here in the states the el paso attack at the wal-mart in 2019. both killers in both those cases referred to replacement theory ipthey're so-called manifestoes. this is fringe white supremacist idea that is unfortunately being main streamed by the likes of tucker carlson. and he knows exactly what he's doing because he said on the air on thursday no, no, no, that's not what i'm talking about as he literally repeated the exact same concept. he seems afraid somehow people of color are going to replace him in the voting rolls, that his vote is going to be diluted by new arrivals to the country. but the story of america is a -- >> when kids turn 18 they're going to replace -- >> including carlson's own children. >> when kids turn 18 they're going to replace older voters who pass on. he also tried to rewrite history when it came to the capitol attack. this might be the most ridiculous line of b.s. yet from tucker carlson. let's listen. >> they didn't have guns but a lot of them had extremely dangerous ideas. they talked about the constitution and something called their rights. neither lisaizenhart or their son committed any violence. they just walked in to what we used to refer to as the peoples house. some perspective, please. >> it's inexplicable. i can't explain what he's doing. >> absolute revisionist history, denial of the riot. 20 years ago 9/11 troopers were rightly condemned across the political spectrum, but now 20 years later riot truthers, people in denial about the riot are getting airtime on prime time on fox news. i'm afraid this is going to get worse as the republican party tries to cover up what happened on capitol hill that day. >> he's just a whack job, that's all there is too it. we can keep talking about this but we don't make any heads explode. we'll do that another time. and we're back in a moment. you'd never wash your dishes in this. your dishwasher looks clean but, when grease and limescale build up, it's not as hygienic as you think. use finish dishwasher cleaner its dual-action formula tackles grease and limescale. finish. clean dishwasher. clean dishes. when we started carvana, they told us that selling cars 100% online wouldn't work. but we went to work. building an experience that lets you shop over 17,000 cars from home. creating a coast to coast network to deliver your car as soon as tomorrow. recruiting an army of customer advocates to make your experience incredible. and putting you in control of the whole thing with powerful technology. that's why we've become the nation's fastest growing retailer. because our customers love it. see for yourself, at carvana.com. if you're 55 and up, t-mobile has plans built just for you. switch now and get 2 unlimited lines and 2 free smartphones. and now get netflix on us. it's all included with 2 lines for only $70 bucks! only at t-mobile. re-entering data that employees could enter themselves? 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