you -- you -- you know what. i think that was the only time you got me. that was good. >> felt good. >> yeah, i bet it did. all right. so, we needed a laugh, considering all that's going on, don't you think? >> man, i'll take any one that i can get. any laugh that i can get. and i will tell you what, we had some big developments today. obviously, you evehave the hypocrisy down in texas of the governor saying we need a sanctuary for guns when, really, we need a sanctuary from guns. you have a shooting, right after he says it. you have, in the chauvin trial, this is a critical phase. substantial-causal factor. >> yep. >> the prosecutors have to show that, what chauvin did caused the death of floyd. and caused has a specific meaning, under law, in every state. but specifically, in minnesota. it doesn't have to be the only reason he died. see? that's the problem for the defense, here. what about the drugs? >> yeah. >> what about the drugs? even if you want to argue that they may have, somehow, weakened floyd from a medical perspective. it doesn't matter. >> right. >> he could, still, have been the substantial cause of floyd's death. that was big. the venmos that t"the daily beast" has. >> now, calling for him to resign. >> well, look, that's politics. okay? you don't know that any of this is true. and the venmos. look. somebody to resign. that's politics. >> but criminal. >> criminal is up here, which is, what were the venmos for? >> yeah. but just before the show, we talked about it just for a moment, as you were getting ready to go. you -- they don't offer you a deal, unless you have something. >> no, you know, and i got to tell you. good thing it's just you and me, so nobody else will hear this. i was getting this wrong, too. we kept saying, he may cooperate. he may flip. he may flip. >> no. >> we had the wrong tense. >> flipped. >> now, we know, he already cooperated. you don't get a plea deal, unless you have already made what they call a proffer, when is a nice way of saying, a give, to the authorities of something they find of value. and, yeah, it may, also, may in the deal that you have got to keep doing certain things and that he want other things. but he's already given it to them. and where do we see that? well, in this coinciding of them going after greenberg. and then, they start investigating gaetz for the same things. how did they get to gaetz? has to go through greenberg. now, on what "the daily beast" is reporting, this moves matt gaetz, from the court-of-public-opinion category, of nothing, into something. >> something. >> he, now, has something to explain with more than a blanket denial. >> well, it's -- it's -- it's a very big -- it's very big allegations. and then, you have this greenberg character. but -- and there's still intrigue with it. and that's why -- >> a ton of intrigue. >> -- that's -- that's our lead story. >> people will play politics with it. but thiss is the first indicatin we have. he has a plea deal. that means he has been working with prosecutors. >> yeah. >> so hereby go. >> i'm sorry about what i did today, d. >> no, no, it was funny. >> it was too easy a shot. i know you are sensitive about how you look. especially, your shape. >> i needed the laugh. since i know that you are dealing with your weight problems and that's okay. it's fine. i mean, there is nothing wrong with that. >> you know what? dad bod is in. everybody says it. it's one more reason for you to have kids. give you an excuse for having dad bod. i love you, d lemon. >> thank you. i love you, too. see you later. this is "cnn tonight" and i am don lemon. as i have been saying, we have huge developments in the doj's -- by the way, the trump doj -- that's where it all started. now, it's the biden doj but where it all started. trump-supporting congressman matt gaetz. adam kinzinger calling on gaetz to resign tonight. there is a tweet that he put up moments ago. and then, you heard a daily beast reporter tell chris they got ahold of venmo payments from the congressman to a local official. and then, hours later, payments that add up to the same amount to three young women. again, we will have to see if this all plays out. how it all plays out. he didn't speak with any women who received payments. the reporter, meaning. and i should point out, that there is no-conclusive evidence that this was for sex. none of the three women "the daily beast" mentions were under age. and while joel greenberg has declined -- excuse me, has been indicted on federal charges, including for trafficking, his connections to gaetz on these matters is to be established. gaetz is denying all of it. greenberg, a friend of gaetz, who could face decades in prison on 33-federal counts, including identity theft and sex trafficking of a minor. said to be likely to strike a deal, a plea deal, which could mean a whole lot of pressure on matt gaetz. or in the words of greenberg's attorney, this. >> i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable, today. >> probably not. and that's not all. the feds are looking at a trip that gaetz took to the bahamas, and whether women were paid to travel for sex with the congressman and others, which could be a federal crime. lot more to come on the investigation, tonight. all this is happening, as senator joe manchin, in the spotlight, as a crucial-50th vote for democrats in the senate sits down for a cnn exclusive. explaining why he says congress can't go this way, and democrats and republicans have to work together. >> january 6th changed me, and i was very clear with everybody. i never thought, in my life, i never read in history books to where our form of government have been attacked. our seat of government, which is washington, d.c., and our capitol, by our own people. now, the british did it but not americans. so, something told me, wait a minute. pause. hit the pause button. something's wrong. you can't have this many people to where they want to go to war with each other. >> but the problem and the reason why they went to war is that they were led there by a big lie. and that big lie led to a bigger lie, of voter suppression. georgia's lieutenant governor, jeff duncan, said it. it all goes back to the big lie from donald trump and rudy giuliani. >> this is really the fallout from the ten weeks of mis -- misinformation that flew in from former-president donald trump. and really, i went back over the weekend to look at, really, where this started to gain momentum in the legislature, and it was when rudy giuliani showed up in a couple committee rooms. and spent hours spreading misinformation and -- and sowing doubt across, you know, hours of testimony. >> you have to start from the beginning, and you have to start with the truth. he is exactly right. politicians can't go on this way. the country can't go on this way. where did it start? who is responsible for it? hold, who is responsible for it, to account. it's not a both-sides thing. one side spread the big lie. and then, allowed it to happen. and is, now, pretending that it didn't happen. so, joe manchin, make sure you hold that side accountable, because we cannot go on this way. you're right. so the reality of the situation, as i said, something does need to be done. and what's on the table now is the voting-rights act. which, the fact is, will never, ever happen, if republicans have their way. just look at the evidence of -- of what they are doing right now. they want the big lie, that led to the insurrection, to live on. that is happening on a devastating day in the murder trial of the officer who kneeled on george floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. devastating to listen to. and potentially, devastating to the defense's case. anybody who watched that video of derek chauvin kneeling on george floyd's neck knows what they saw. a man having the life squeezed right out of him, while he cried out, over and over and over, i can't breathe. and today, an award-winning expert on exactly that. on breathing. had jurors on the edge of their seats. hanging on to every word, as he described, in chilling detail, what happened in george floyd's last moments. >> at the beginning, you can see, he's conscious. you can see slight figuring. and then, it disappears. >> and -- >> so -- so, one second, he is alive. and one second, he is no longer. >> devastating. devastating. devastating. we've seen the videos and the pictures, so many times. i am haunted by them. are you? but, we have never seen them, like this. never seen them, like this. knew what happened, though. but that was even more real than i had an ticipated. having done this for decades. an expert, explaining, moment by moment, how george floyd struggled, with all his might, just to get air in his lungs. while police pressed him into the ground. now, i am going to play longer version of that. okay? so you can hear it, the way the jurors did. here it is. >> you can see how he is moving his hip to try and rock the right side of his body to try and get air. you can see him, again, pushing down on the street to get air in. and these movements of his hip might -- you may miss. but he is having to use all his intern spine to -- to just try and get air into that right side of the body. keep in mind, the left side is nonfunctional from the way they have manipulated him and pushed him into the street. so he is constantly trying to crank up the right side of his body. you can see it right there. to try and get some air into the right side of his chest. he is making repeated, struggling movements. he is moving, again, the hips, because he is using his spine to try and get them, those muscles, to move air into the right side of his chest. and he is, again, trying to use his right arm, and he is unable because of the chain. the small chain linking it over to the left side. he is trying to have push down on that right arm into the street to try and help him, but he is unable to do it because of the chain on the handcuffs. >> hard to even listen to. but that's what a human being does when the breath is being squeezed out of them. the defense, trying to raise doubts, here. questioning why there weren't bruises on george floyd's neck. and dr. tobin had, well, a very-human answer to that. >> there was, also, a reference made to the absence of bruising on the neck during autopsy. >> yes. >> does that make any difference to you whatsoever? >> no, because obviously, i go to -- whenever i go to church, i sit on a hard bench. i don't get bruising of my buttocks when i leave. so i wouldn't expect anything, in terms of that. >> then, he went on to demolish the defense theory that, somehow, it was george floyd's pre-existing conditions that killed him. at exactly the moment a police officer was kneeling on his neck. >> you were asked quite a few questions about mr. floyd's pre-existing-health conditions. >> correct. >> and remember, you cited a number of those? >> yes. >> do any of those conditions have anything to do with the cause of mr. floyd's death, in your professional opinion, whatsoever? >> none, whatsoever. >> and again, what was the cause, such that, those conditions don't matter? >> the cause of death is a low level of oxygen. that caused the brain damage, and caused the heart to stop. >> well, he went on to say, even a person with no pre-existing conditions would have died, as a result of what happened to george floyd. and then, there was the police surgeon who poked holes in another of the defense theories. testifying that drugs had nothing to do with george floyd's death. >> he's talking. he's not snoring. he is saying, you know, please, please, get off of me. i want to breathe. i can't breathe. that is not a fentanyl overdose. that is somebody, begging to breathe. >> science. the defense is trying to convince jurors not to believe what they saw. what we all saw, with our own eyes. and heard, with our own ears, for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. but we heard, from those doctors, today, could be devastating to their case. hard to watch and hear, i know. but this is the news. we got to play it for you. it had to be devastating for george floyd's family, to hear all of this. i am going to ask his cousin what it was like for the family today. >> it is clear what killed george floyd was a overdose of excessive force. americans you one of the f who experience occasional bloating, gas or abdominal discomfort? 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>> i have, literally, cried just-about-every day since the trial started. as you can imagine, it is -- it's hard to watch. and it's worse than what we even thought. just, having to watch that. and then, you know, the explanations of how -- how certain things happened is just -- it's devastating to watch. >> he is talking about the last moments that your cousin was trying to breathe. and -- and -- and of all the difficult days in this trial, to date, was this the hardest? >> this was one of the hardest. the first day was hard. the third day was extremely hard. today was one of the hardest, for sure. >> yeah. so, he went through how george floyd was doing everything that he could to get air. very difficult to watch. and just yesterday, the defense was trying to use george floyd saying, you know, i can't breathe, as an argument against him. but, you know, we -- we, and the jury, can see what happened, with our own eyes, here. and we can hear him, with our own ears. >> yes. and today, i thought today's -- dr. tobin's testimony, today, was -- was outstanding. because, it confirmed what we, all, know. and we knew what we saw. and so, it was really good that he gave us his opinion. but, it was really outstanding, the way he explained how he came to those conclusions. and -- and he did it, in such a way that -- that people, like me, could understand exactly what that means. >> yeah. >> i think it was great. >> yeah. because the -- the jury was taking notes. watching, closely. jury was even touching their necks. what did you think when -- when you -- when you saw that? and when you hear, you know, about the -- the note-taking and all of that? >> that's very important, because that -- that tells me that -- that they were engaged. and they wanted to understand what it was that -- that he was explaining to us. and -- and so, for me, that was -- that was amazing. i -- i was happy to see that they were taking notes. and they were very engaged, today. >> yeah. well, i mean, that is really the key, right? the key is going to be the cause of death. so, i think, that the testimony today is probably some of the most important, if not the most important, testimony that will happen during this trial. it, also, took aim at the defense's argument that george floyd's pre-existing conditions or drugs led to his death. listen to this. >> do you have an opinion, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, as to whether a person who had none of those pre-existing health conditions, a healthy person, would have died, under the same circumstances as mr. floyd? >> yes, a healthy person, subject to what mr. floyd was subject to, would have died, as a result of what he was subjected to. >> you are familiar with the way people die from fentanyl? >> yes, very. >> do they, or do they not, go into a coma before they die from a fentanyl overdose? >> yes, they will. >> was mr. floyd ever in a coma? >> no. >> how do you think the prosecution's doing to stop the attempts by the defense to make it seem like your cousin is on trial here? >> i think they are doing a very good job, in that aspect, because they -- they want to keep bringing up the point that there -- there were drugs in his system. and the testimony, today, made it very clear. that, what caused his death was the excessive force that was used, in -- in, you know, restraining him. and leaning on his neck. and even on his -- his back. there is no doubt, in my mind, that people understood it, the same way that i did. it was explained, very well, that the drugs had nothing to do with the cause of his death. >> hmm. begging and pleading. i -- i can't breathe. he is telling them that he can't breathe. and doesn't care. we're expecting the defense to start introducing their witnesses, next week. and we know what their strategy is. are -- i'm sure you guys are preparing. can you prepare for what's coming, next? >> um, i -- i thought i was prepared for what we have had to deal with, since this trial started. i'm -- i'm, you know, optimistic. i am trying to, you know, be prepared for it. but as best we can. i just -- it's more than -- than, you know, you could possibly imagine to have to deal with that. >> i can't. tera, thank you. be well. i appreciate you appearing. >> thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back. the harry's razor is not the same. our razors have five german engineered blades designed to stay sharp, so your eighth shave is as smooth as your first. and we never upcharge you for high quality. harry's. available in store vo: calling all builders, all welders, and roofers. engineers and electricians. calling all brick masons and boiler makers. steel workers and steam fitters your country is calling you to rebuild america. to create a cleaner, safer, more prosperous future for all. tackling climate change, this is the job of our lifetime. it's time to build back better. let's get to work. you know when your dog is itching for a treat. itching for an outing... or itching for some cuddle time. but you may not know when he's itching for help... licking for help... or rubbing for help. if your dog does these frequently. they may be signs of an allergic skin condition that needs treatment. don't wait. talk to your veterinarian and learn more at itchingforhelp.com. want to save hundreds on your wireless bill? 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>> yeah. and -- and what makes it even crazier, don, is on the same day that happens, a tragedy, and again, more gun tragedy in texas. the house republicans and the committee passed voting restrictions, today. so, while, on one hand, we're sort of advocating ease of -- ease of access to guns. on the other hand, we're creating restrictions to voting, on the same-exact day. which makes this whole situation completely bizarre. when we should be doing the reverse, they're, you know, making it harder to get -- harder to vote. easier to get guns. >> i want to stick with guns, just for a second. and then, i'm going to talk with you about voting rights and joe m manchin and how he feels about the issue of the filibuster. ghost guns. the kind that you assemble yourself. congress has got to act for real reform here. biden says there is public support. there's been public support, for a long time. again, he is exercising bipartisanship by doing things that have the support of a lot of americans, not just republicans. is -- will that catch on? >> well, it's caught -- caught on with the american public. and as you know, there is a supermajority in the country, republicans, democrats, and independents, for common-sense gun reform. and i own five rifles. the majority of gun owners, not only in texas, but around the country, support these gun reforms. and so, it -- it -- the public's already all for it. they have been pushing it. we've seen races as we have talked about before, the georgia race, other races decided on this issue, on people that were for gun reform. the problem is washington, d.c. and the republican party in washington, d.c. has stood firmly in the minority on this. but biden is riding the wave of public sentiment on this. we just have a democracy that's broken. >> let's talk about what i just mentioned. senator joe manchin telling cnn, tonight, that he supports president biden's actions on guns. but, he won't get rid of the filibuster. not even for voting rights. here it is. >> some progressives think that you are standing in the way of significant changes the president could make on voting rights because you don't want to get rid of the filibuster. other changes that they could make on gun reforms. >> if they try to work towards the middle. you can't work in the fringes. you just cannot work in the fringes. we want fair, open, secured elections. and what -- georgia has done some things, which i thought were just atrocious. okay? but i've also been a secretary of state and i have been a governor and i know the tenth amendment. i know my rights, as far as state's rights. and i don't think there should be an over -- overreaching, if you will, of federal electionings. >> all right. help me understand here because i am trying to get it. he calls what happened in georgia atrocious. but a similar set of bills is under way in your state, in texas. he is saying you got to work towards the middle and that you can't work in the fringes. how is voting rights a fringe issue? that's not a fringe issue. >> no. and -- and i think, joe manchin, understandably, he is a democrat in a red state like west virginia and so he has to take a balance on this in what he does. but to me, he is making the exact-wrong argument on this, on the filibuster. the filibuster isn't helping create places where you can reach common-sense consensus. >> it is creating the problem. >> filibuster's actually -- it's creating the division in this country. and he, i don't think, fully understands the history of the filibuster. which was really used by segregationists throughout history in order to block rights, not only for african-americans but, for many people of color in this country. and so the fili -- the idea that you can't change a rule because it's some sort of rule is what was allowed -- you know, we had a fugitive-slave act in this country. and so, the idea is like, well, that's the law. we got to do it. we are going to go along with it. at some point, justice demands a change in rules or a change in procedures, in order to get to a -- to a just position. and when we have, in this country today, the majority of the country supports access to voting. easier access to voting. the majority of the country supports an increase in the minimum wage. the majority of the country supports common sense gun reform. none of which is happening, and the primary reason why it's not happening is because of the filibuster rule. and so, if he really wants to do what the majority of the country wants, he'd be getting rid of the filibuster rule and negotiating with other democrats on what they want to do. >> i -- i -- i think, this whole idea about, you know, that it's -- i -- i just think what he -- he's -- his ideas are outdated about what is balance and what is not. what is fringe and what's -- what's not fringe. wanting -- wanting common-sense gun laws. that's not fringe. wanting people to have access to -- to as many people as possible to have access to the vote -- voting booth. that's not a fringe issue. so, i don't know why he is comparing the people who are on the right, who want all of these crazy-fringe things. that are saying that, you know, he said we want -- we want our elections to be secure. this was the most secure election in -- in american history. so, what is he talking about? >> you know what? you know what, don? one -- one thing that i think we have a -- and -- and we can have a longer conversation, about the myth of american history. and the myth of america. and so many people's misunderstanding about who we are and what we've -- what we have done in our country. and we can have a much broader conversation about that. but the -- the understanding of where we are in the country today. if you -- the freedom house, which is a bipartisan or nonpartisan group that ranks democracies in the world, every year. they investigate and rank democracies. you know what we're ranked, in the world, as a democracy? 58th. >> uh-huh. >> america is ranked 58th in -- as a democracy in the world. and you know the number-one reason? our dysfunction. our dysfunction, that doesn't allow us to accomplish stuff that we need to do in the 21st century. and it's time we abandon all these old rules. it's time we -- actually, in my view, we look at the constitution and see what is in the constitution is impediments to our democracy. and do the things the majority of the country wants. the reason why people don't trust washington is because washington isn't doing what they want. >> uh-huh. hmm. yeah. yeah. and that's working for the people. before you go, i have got to talk about -- about matt gaetz. republican support for matt gaetz has been practically nonexistent. republican matt -- republican, excuse me, adam kinzinger calling for him to resign. read the tea leaves here. how long can he hang on? >> i think the republicans -- we had a president that, what was it, 26 or 27 women have -- had valid allegations of sexual harassment or sexual abuse against the president? he got nominated. he -- he almost won a second term. he got renominated. so, i think, the only way it keeps going -- only way it stops and matt gaetz, ultimately, resigns or is removed from the house is if the criminal prosecution of matt gaetz proceeds. he is not going to resign because of how the republican party has supported people that are basically neanderthals throughout this whole thing. it's going to take a criminal prosecution, in order to get matt gaetz to be removed from the house, in my view. >> matthew dowd. thank you, sir. always a pleasure. >> thanks, don. always good to talk to you. the feds now investigating whether women were paid to travel to the bahamas for sex with congressman matt gaetz. and breaking tonight. 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"the daily beast" saying that they have new evidence in the matt gaetz investigation and there is another development that could spell big trouble for the republican congressman, who is being investigated for sex allegations -- for allegations of sex trafficking and prostitution. so, an attorney says that joel greenberg, a gaetz associate, who is a key figure in the investigation, is likely to strike a plea deal. and cooperate with federal prosecutors. i want to discuss, now. harry litman is here. he is, both, a former-u.s. attorney and a former-deputy assistant attorney general. so good to see you. it's been a minute, but we love having you. >> thanks. thanks, don. you, too. >> so, listen. let's talk about it. a reporter from "the daily beast" telling chris, earlier, that they attained venmo records showing payments from the congressman, to his friend, joel greenberg. and then, payments, from greenberg to three other women. actually, three young women. watch this. >> and what we have are venmo payments that show payments from the congressman, to this local official. and then, hours later, payments that add up to the same-exact amount, to three young women. one of whom, later, turned out to be a porn star. and all of these women are extremely young. >> extremely young, meaning what? >> well, one just turned 18 about-six months before that happened. but let's talk about what these receipts show. are you familiar with the venmo app? when you make an online payment, you have to do two things. who you are going to send this to, how much, right? but what it is for and that is key to understanding what we have here because what we have attained are venmo-payment records that show late, one night, in may 2018, the congressman sent two payments to joel greenberg. this local official. the first payment is $500. it says, test. the second payment is $400, and it says, hit up. and then, it names a girl. we have chosen not to name her, yet. but just seven or eight hours later, joel greenberg makes three payments, totaling $900. including, one of them who was named by matt gaetz. >> so, "the daily beast" points out that there is no-conclusive evidence that it was for sex. and none of the three women were underage. and the reporter, jose, didn't speak with any of the women who -- who received these payments. gaetz denies ever paying for sex, or having slept with a 17-year-old. okay. so, now that i got all of that legal stuff out of the way. >> right. >> i just had to make sure. what do you think? >> so, and i will add one little detail. these were public records, before. and they disappeared from gaetz's records, just this week. what do i think? i think, it's really clear, that gaetz and greenberg were, sort of, partners in crime. kind of the biggest jerks in a rich-kids fraternity. and there's -- there's sex floating around and pictures and drugs. ecstasy. and weird payment. what, exactly, does it add up to? i think, it's hard, don, to say right now. that's why they have been investigating for over-eight months. are there underaged sex partners? again, hard to say. but here is the most important fact. the doj and the defense attorney stood up in court today and said there's going to be a plea deal. that just wouldn't happen casually. that couldn't happen, in fact, unless, it's gone all the way up to merrick garland, who's approved it. and what does it mean to say there is going to be a plea deal? it means that the department has concluded that whenever gaetz has done. it's as bad as greenberg has done. they are not going to have a less-culpable person cooperate against a more. and that, they have concluded that warts and all and greenberg has a lot of warts, they can still make the case between greenberg and some of the female victims. so that was just sort of said, blandly, in court today. but if you read between the lines, and know how the doj works. they have lift a little room to wiggle out. but it's clear, that everybody expects greenberg to cooperate against gaetz. and we have a whole, sort of, lurid series of different kind of potential-criminal activity. >> greenberg's attorney, today. listen. >> right. >> i think that mr. greenberg, if he accepts a plea or a plea agreement, that, one, it will show his sense of remorse, which he does have. and his sense of acceptance of responsibility. number two, i think, he's -- he's uniquely situated. i'm sure, matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable, today. >> well. so, i wanted to get your response to that. but let me just tell you. greenberg faces 33-criminal counts, including allegations of stalking, wire fraud, creating fake i.d.s, and sex trafficking. all right. so, they -- they wouldn't be willing to work out a deal with greenberg, if he didn't have something big and verifiable to offer? >> that's right. big. and it really does have to be bigger than what he's done. he does have all those counts, don, but they are three different indictments. here, we are focused on the second. the sex trafficking. but docj guidelines say, don't cooperate down, even if you have got a big scalp, a congressman. some people could cheat on that, maybe. local-young prosecutors who want to make a name for themselves. but not merrick garland. and at this stage, you can be certain, especially with no de deputy-attorney general yet confirmed. this has gone all the way up to him and he's confirmed and agreed with the basic judgment that gaetz has a lot of baggage and a lot of crimes. and that, they think they can make the case. again, a little room to wiggle out. but they just wouldn't say that to the court, unless they were really expecting it. may 15th. it's the golden date. that's when they are going to come in and finalize the plea agreement. if everything goes bad, he will go to trial in july. but everybody's expecting him to come forward. and that's based on things that his lawyers have, already, told the department of justice. that spells big trouble. we don't know, exactly, the letters. but it spells big trouble for matt gaetz. >> why would his lawyer say that? were you surprised that his lawyer said that? you know, he is probably not feeling too comfortable. i was surprised. i couldn't believe that he would say something like that. >> yeah. in fact, not so smart. because, remember, in court, they didn't say who the cooperation would be against. in general, at that press conference, he was sort of bobbing and weaving, and didn't seem ready. but he told us. and in fact, you know, we -- it would have been a strong guess, already. i had guessed it. many others had. but he confirms it. matt gaetz is not feeling too comfortable. what does that mean? and we know, by the way, all the facts, as they are coming out, have all these kind of hijinks and really, really, sort of, lurid-criminal details involving falsification, perhaps, of records. and of campaign-finance stuff. these two, who were apart for -- they were not allies. they didn't -- they weren't close together. their relationship was the grossest sort of frat boy criminal stuff of sharing partners. greenberg was the one who went online, procured them for gaetz. maybe, for third parties. again, not sure of the specifics. but it is not pretty. >> thank you, sir. i appreciate it. >> thank you, sir. good to be with you. >> john boehner ripping into trump. lashing out at congress. taking on the republican party. all the bombshells coming out of his book, next. - that moment you walk in the office and people are wearing the same gear, you feel a sense of connectedness and belonging right away. and our shirts from custom ink helped bring us together. - [announcer] custom ink has hundreds of products to help you look and feel like a team. get started today at customink.com. it doesn't happen often. everyday people taking on the corporate special interests. and winning. but now, the for the people act stands on the brink of becoming law. ensuring accurate elections. iron-clad ethics rules to crack down on political self-dealing. a ban on dark money. and finally reducing corporate money in our politics. to restore our faith in government. because it's time. for the people to win. becaus♪ ♪ ♪s time. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪ former house speaker john boehner is throwing some punches in his new book, going after donald trump, ted cruz and the party he once led. here's cnn's brian todd. >> reporter: there was a time when john boehner tread lightly when it came to donald trump. >> the president is probably the most unique person that we've had as president, but the fact is he's president. >> reporter: consider that chapter closed. in the former house speaker's new book "on the house," boehner rips into the former president, a accusing trump of -- and he skewers trump for being petty and bullying. boehner writes of a time he went golfing with trump before trump ran for president. an aide to boehner, he writes, mistakenly introduced their two golf partner its by the wrong names. at the end of the round when trump found he he'd been calling the two men by the wrong names, boehner writes trump got into boehner's aides face. trump shouted, what are you, some kind of idiot? 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