>> we go through a lot of pain. we go through a lot of grief. every single day. nobody knows what my niece go through not having her father anymore that officer didn't know that he had a daughter. that he didn't go home to. he would never see again. >> i am going to talk to the floyd family attorney benjamin crump in just a moment. first, sara sidner in minneapolis f. trial continues tomorrow. you will be there, as you have been. you say this is completely unlike any trial that you have covered as a journalist. tell us why. >> it is. partly because of covid. partly because it is the very first time that an entire trial gavel to gavel is being allowed to be broadcast from the courtroom. that's never happened here in minnesota before. so that's different. but it is also a very strange place in some ways because it is so extremely quiet and everyone's attention is on each and every witness. you can't even hear paper rustling inside of that court. >> on may 25th of 2020, mr. derek chauvin betrayed this badge when he used excessive and unreasonable force up on the body of mr. george floyd. >> derek chauvin did exactly what he had been trained to do over the course of his 19-year career. the use of force is not attractive. but it is a necessary component of policing. >> reporter: the defense and prosecution's duelling arguments in a case the world is watching. >> what do you want? >> i can't breathe. knee on my neck. >> reporter: the first week of testimony in the former officer's jury time began with jurors seeing the entire bystander video. that was followed by a long line of witnesses. >> my instincts were telling me something is wrong. >> reporter: this 911 dispatcher called as she watched the police officers' treatment of george floyd on a street surveillance camera. >> i did call the police on the police. >> why did you do that? >> because i believe i witnessed a murder. >> reporter: donald williams was watching from the sidewalk. the professionally trained mms fighter was overcome with emotion as he heard his own call to 911. >> murderous. murderous -- he is going to kill yourself. >> reporter: 61-year-old eyewitness charles mcmilian was there. >> you can't win. >> i am not trying to win. >> he says he begged floyd to comply. >> i can't breathe. >> stop moving. >> mama. mama! >> mcmilian dissolved into sobs when he saw the video from that day. >> i feel helpless. i don't have a mama either. but i understand him. >> reporter: an offduty firefighters, an emt walking by on may 25th, 2020, testified she begged officers to let her check floyd's pulse or check it themselves. >> there is a man being killed, and i would have -- had i had access to a call similar to that, i would have been able to provide medical attention to the best of my abilities. and this human was denied that. >> reporter: some witnesses' faces were shielded from the public. tone jury saw them, because they were all minors when he witnessed floyd's death. the teen who took the video that went viral, and her 9-year-old co cousin, who testified anonymously. >> there has been nights i stayed up apologizing, and -- apologizing to george floyd for not doing more. >> i saw the officer put a knee on the neck of george floyd. i was sad and kind of mad. >> reporter: a former cashier who accused floyd of paying for cigarettes with a count fit $20 bill testified, too. >> i took it. i knew it was, i was planning to just put it on my tab until i second-guessed myself. as you can see in the video i kept examining it and then i told my manager. >> reporter: soon after police were called. >> george was motion its, limps, and chauvin seemed very -- he was in a resting state. >> we saw you stand willing with your hand on your head for a while, correct? >> correct. >> what was going through your mind during that time period? >> disbelief. and guilt. >> none of the bystanders knew george floyd at the time, only one person who testified this week did. they met at his job years ago when he noticed she was crying. >> floyd had this great deep southern voice, raspy. and he's like, sis, you okay, sis? and i wasn't okay. >> reporter: they dated nearly three years. she testified they shared many things, including an addiction to pain killers. >> floyd and i both suffered with an poid addiction. we got addicted. and -- and tried really hard to break that addiction, many times. >> reporter: chauvin's attorney pounced, pointing out floyd's drug use. his argument? floyd didn't die from chauvin's acts but his own drug use and preexisting medical issues. >> it was your belief that mr. floyd started using again about two weeks prior to his death, correct? >> i noticed a change in his behavior, yes. >> reporter: the jury also heard from a slew of emts and police, both current and former. when emt derek smith arrived on the steen chauvin was still on floyd even though floyd was unresponsive. thought he was dead. >> reporter: but smith said he and an officer along with his partner worked to treat floyd. two officers criticized their treatment of mr. floyd. >> do you have an opinion when the restraint of mr. floyd should have ended in this encounter. >> yes. >> when was that? >> when mr. floyd was no longer offering up any resistance to the officers, they could have ended their restraint. >> what is your -- you know, your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> reporter: lieutenant richard zimmermann testified he is the most senior member of the minneapolis police force. he has been there 35 years, now the head of homicide. chauvin's attorney intimated that the lieutenant may not be in the best decision to judge patrol officer's decisions. you are not out patrolling the streets, making arrests, things of that nature? >> no. >> all right. and it's fair to say then that your experience with the use of force of late has been primarily through training? >> yes. >> reporter: he shows up on scenes after an incident occurs. still, with all his years of experience, he did not mince words when asked if the officers used excessive force that day. >> pulling him down to the ground, facedown, and putting your knee on a neck for that amount of time is just uncalled for. i saw no reason why the officers felt they were in danger, if that's what they felt. and that's what they would have to feel to be able to use that kind of force. >> reporter: there has been extremely powerful testimony from those who saw what happened to george floyd on may 25th, 2020, and from some of the officers. we have to remember, this is prosecution's case. and in this country, when you are accused of a crime, you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. and we have yet to hear the defense's case. jim? >> that's right. sara sidner. but a powerful week of testimony. thanks for recapping it for us. just a painful thing to watch all over again. sara sidner thanks so much. ing us now, civil rights attorney benjamin crump. he represents the floyd family and has been involved in so many cases like this in the past. we have seen how difficult it has been for knows who witnessed george floyd's death to relife it in sara sidner's piece. how is the floyd family? just to start off, how are they doing after that week of testimony? >> well, they are obviously very emotional, like most people in america, especially black people in america. and jim, let me say happy easter to you. for many in the black faith community, we call this resurrection day. and we are all praying, many of us, that george floyd's killing during this trial of officer derek chauvin will be a resurrection for equal justice for marginalized minorities in america in a, as you said, has often not been something that we have received in the american justice system. >> and happy easter to you as well. and you make a great point. i -- just watching from home -- i have been watching. i mean, this has been powerful. but it's also been heart breaking. it's been gut-wrenching. you have been in the courtroom. what has it been like in the courtroom to watch this unfold? sara sidner was mentioning a few moments ago ago, it's so quiet you can hear a pin drop. what's it like in there? >> it is obviously emegs on another level. it is been heart wrenching. when you think about the compelling case that attorney keith ellison, the first african-american attorney general in the state of minnesota who has a track record as a champion for civil rights -- his team have been literally doing such a strategic job in making sure that derek chauvin will be held criminally liable for killing george floyd. when you think about the first day during opening arguments, jim, where they educated us all that it wasn't 8:46. it was actually 9:29 that derek chauvin tortured george floyd to death by keeping his knee on his neck. and then they went moment by moment through each phase of that tragedy. and many members of george floyd's family as we were in court, they couldn't take it, they had to leave. >> hmm. i -- i -- i can understand. that makes perfect sense. then was there a moment last week when you thought to yourself there is no way that derek chauvin can be acquitted? or do you have in the back of your mind after you have handled so many cases like this that there is still a chance that derek chauvin could be acquitted? >> jim acosta, i have been a civil rights lawyer all of my professional life, but i have been black for all of my life. and what that has taught me is we can never ever take for granted that a police officer will be held accountable for killing a black person in america unjustifiably, no matter how much evidence we have. but i do believe in my heart that he will be convicted in this matter. but my heart has been broken before dealing with the american legal system. and the one thing that i thought was so compelling in this case was on the first day, the first witness, that 911 dispatcher, which had that bombshell testimony right from the beginning when she said, i was watching the video, and i called my sergeant, and i said, i don't want to be a snitch, but what i'm seeing is not right. and then at the end of day one, jim, when this young brother, donald williams, talked about going fishing, and then having so much humanity within him after he watched the fish suffocate and die from lack of breath and air, he then had to get out and take a walk and get some precious air, happened upon cup foods where he saw this human being being deprived by oxygen by the police' knee on his neck. and the humanity in him would not let him be quiet. and he lashed out at him. and the only person, jim, who did not have humanity -- when you look at all the bystanders -- you look at the fire fighter, you look at darnell, you look at the little 9-year-old girl -- the one person who did not have any humanity was derek chauvin, who kept his knee on his neck and put his hand in his pocket and watched george floyd die underneath his knee. >> let me ask you this because you know the defense team is going to have their chance. and it is obvious now they are going the use floyd's alleged drug use and his girlfriend talked about that during the last week of the trial, to defense chauvin's actions. what do you make of that tactic? and how is that going to impact the floyd family? >> obviously, it is going to antagonize them over and over when any try to tell them that his cause of death was not what they saw in this video, but some trace amount of drugs that was found in his system. now, it's what we expect. i have told all of his brothers and sisters, all of his family they are going to assassinate his character. they are going to call him everything but a child of god. they are trying to blame it on this trace amount of drugs. they are going to try to blame it on his health condition. they shocked me when they said they started blaming the crowd, these angry black people, even though there was not all black people out there and saying they are the reason why he could not take his knee off his neck. with that said, i just want to be clear on the record, jim, the only thing that killed george floyd was an overdose of excessive force. and listen to what the police officers are even saying. they said it was completely unnecessary. they said a knee on a person's neck can kill them. now, we know that's common sense. but it says something when you have the highest ranking police officials in minneapolis police department also sayings sthis a bridge too far. we expect expect the hear from the chief of police to come in and say it was a violation of policy, that it wasn't just about humanity and rcht. but this was about your training, too. you knew you weren't supposed to keep a human being facedown like that where they could not breathe. and yet you did it, and you did it even after he had become unconscious. >> all right, benjamin crump, i think you raid it out perfectly there. i think when you talk about all the emotional testimony that we saw during last week's pouring of the trial, to have those police officers as you said at the very end of the week come in and talk about how this was an excessive use of force and do so just passionately, i thought that made a huge impact. great to have you on. we appreciate it. happy easter to you. hope you enjoy time with your family this evening and hope to have you on again soon. >> thank you, jim. coming up, the president's son, hunt hadar biden, opens up about addiction and that mysterious laptop tied to him that became a focus during the 2020 campaign. g. hargrave thomas, point guard. bryce matthias, forward. kim kietz, investor. oh, i invested in invesco qqq. a fund that invests in the innovations of the nasdaq-100. like next gen 3d rendering software. you don't have to be an advanced graphics architect to help realize a more vibrant future. become an agent of innovation with invesco qqq. ♪ you can framebridge just about anything. and we have. spacemen. jojo. uncle murray's medals. 17 antique keys. man with peach. the unofficial wedding photos. portrait of an artist. the top of kilimanjaro. a million custom framed pieces and counting. you can framebridge just about anything. framebridge. live life, frame more. hi sabrina! hi jen! hi. so you're the scientist here. does my aveeno® daily moisturizer really make my dry skin healthier in one day? 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margaret, thanks for doing this. it is great to be with you. >> happy easter, jim, congrats. >> happy easter to you as well. i appreciate it. thanks for doing this. that hunter biden clip, it is really. it's a gut punch. it humanizes something that former president trump and the right tried to exploited. during the campaign they were trying to bring up hunter biden time and again. he would sit stoically at zpbts the democratic convention and so on. we would see him in these places where he is being taubtd about yet wouldn't really speak out. now he's getting his chance to speak out. >> yeah. looks it is a -- it's heart wrenching. it is a pretty unvarnished look at addiction. and one of the things i think that that kind of bracing almost awkward honesty does is not only humanizes hunter biden. but i think it puts a point on joe biden's almost refusal during the campaign to distance himself from his only remaining son. this is an extreme example to be clear. and he doesn't seem to be pulling any punches about it. but i think it is an important conversation to have, because we are all broken in some way. this is just a recognition of that fact that forced us to take away the myth and the veneer around presidential families. >> honestly, jim, i would say it is extreme, as john said, only in so much as it is the son of the president, or the son of a candidate running for president. but it is not that extreme because so many people in this country are touched by addiction and their families are touched by addiction. it has become far more apparent to the american public how sadly normal and how many people in your lives are touched by addiction in relative years, especially in the wake of the opioid epidemic. people -- your nays, next douche neighbors. you know, even republicans, even trump supporters. you know, nobody is immune from addiction. and that's the point that truly does humanize hunter biden. on the other hand i would say he could take a note from patty davis, ronald reagan's daughter, right, who spent her dad's presidency protesting her dad's presidency. and on reflection, thought maybe the best thing she could have done during those years is gone to new zealand and be quiet. there is something about taking the stage when you are the child of a president that doesn't help the president's agenda. >> no question. >> while i wish huntered by ten best, and i hope that he triumphs over his addiction, i don't know if it is helpful to anybody's agenda in this moment that he takes the spotlight. >> john, let me ask you this, because hunter biden is not the only one with a book coming out. i think we were talking about this just before the segment started. there are some very cheeky exermts from a book by former republican speaker of the house merlot and so on. i believe he might have had a glass when recording the audio book version of this. >> sounds that way. >> let's listen to a example of this where he talks about the tea party wave -- i will read it out. you could be a total more on and get elected just by having an r next to your name, in that year by the way we did pick up a fair number in that category. in -- and now they had a new head lunatic leading the way who wasn't even a house member. there was nothing more dangerous then a reckless a-hole, don't use the exact word here, who thinks he is better than everyone else. everyone, meet senator ted cruz. what do you think about what john boehner had to say there. >> that was the most g rated version of the audio book you could have possibly recited to us. >> right. >> look, boehner is clearly capitalizing -- he is owning his reputation for being brazen and honest. he likes to call it the knuckle dragging aspect of his caucus. but it recasts the story of the tea party wave and the presidency. even the republican speaker of the house recognized that the lunatics were kind of running the asylum he was trying to take control of and it was difficult to get things done let alone work with a democratic president because everybody thought that was disloyalty and they wanted to blow up washington and not try to solve problems or push an agenda. look, i think it is great he is being unfiltered. >> like he saw a lot of this coming. >> what's that? >> like he saw the excesses of what have the trump era would bring and writes about night no question about it. i mean all this stuff doesn't happen overnight. donald trump comes out of that. the fox-ification of trump. >> for all the peel who say trump corrupted the republican party -- i mean, this is the exhibit a that trump didn't kprupt the party. trump was a symptom of a larger sickness that happened in the party. >> not the cause, yeah. >> and boehner is writing about sort of the foundation that was all right sort of fertile for somebody like sarah palin, and trump, and others to sort of harness that populist nativist outrage that became the trump presidency. >> guys, i have got to get your -- >> fox news was trying to be sort of a destroyer to get attention in hyper partisan media rather than having any interest in actually, you know, governing. >> shabsolutely. i want to squeeze this in. this has been the most bizarre thing i have seen in the last 48 hours. this tweet by republican congresswoman marjorie taylor green. probably not mentioned in the boehner book but if he writes a sequel she would be. it is a video of her working out. this is my covid protection. it is time to fire fauci. what's going on here? >> i could make jokes that probably wouldn't be wise. >> i don't know that it is worth -- marjorie taylor green is a qanon conspiraciant. cornered a district in northwest georgia that is a plus 8r district where it is going to be very, very difficult for republicans even -- there are reasonable republicans who would wish to replace her and it is going to be very difficult for them to even do it because, look, she sadly has -- represents a sickness in the republican party that is a common theme in american politics, the paranoid style of american politics that existed at least a century. shies the worst of her political tradition. >> but let's be clear. while we are talking about sickness. this is about covid denial, right. >> right. >> it is great she's in great shape and she puts out a tweet and it is going to go viral. but here's the point. >> doing squats at the gym is not going the prevent covid-19. >> thank you. >> exactly. not even a little bit. you know, the fact that she and jim jordan are rallying around mat gaetz is as much as you need to know. but that wing nut wing of the republican party is too powerful. they suck up too much oxygen. they are a core part of the problem and not even resembling a solution. >> john, margaret, great talking to you guys. we will do it again some time soon. >> we will. >> thanks, congrats, jim. and happy easter. >> as he will well. coming up, dr. anthony fauci defends his former colleague as she faces criticism for not 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take on it. here's part of that conversation. is that correct, in your view, that we lost nearly a half million people in this country who we didn't need to lose? >> well, what dr. birx was saying, it could have been mitt gated. she didn't say we would have avoided all of those deaths. what she was saying -- >> a good number of those deaths? >> well, yeah. what she was saying, when we finally knew what we were dealing with, we clearly could have and should have had a much more sprang adherence to the guidelines. >> and what about this criticism, dr. fauci, that had she spoken out while she was at the white house, that that would have made a difference? do you buy that? >> well, you know n some respects, yes. but in most respects, no. if you are in there n the white house, i believe, in fairness to her. i know her. she's a good friend for decades. she was in a very difficult position because she was living there in the white house. she had an office on the ground floor of the west wing. so she had to live in that situation. she didn't have the opportunity of being away from it, being able to give advice and not have to sit there and live with it. you can criticize her if you want but ilike to cut her some slack. >> let me ask you about that, doctor, when you say cut her some slack, i wonder -- you know, she is somebody who was in a position where she could have gone out in front of the cameras saying president trump should not be saying people should inject themselves with disinfetants, the business with high districts lee -- is nuts. she didn't do that. made those decisions. i know you know this, because you are mindful of this but there are so many americans out there who say if dr. birx had just gone out there and warned people, might have cost her her job and said president trump doesn't know what he's talking about, that that might have made a difference. you don't agree with that? >> you know, i don't agree or disagree. i am just telling you she was in a very difficult position. of course if you analyze it and go back and say what she could have done or should have done, you are right, but you also need to appreciate that she was really in a tough position. >> and dr. anthony fauci went on the say during our interview that people at home just need to be patient with this pandemic. he understands a lot of people are frustrated, want to get on with their lives but that these vaccines that are being administered across the country are going to make a difference and get this pandemic under control so we can move on with our lives. you want to thank you dr. anthony fauci for joining us. coming up next, pulling the curtain back on y anone. who is the mysterious person whose cryptic posts have brainwashed millions? a new hbo series claims to have that answer. it's all included with 2 lines for only $70 bucks! only at t-mobile. what happens to your body language when your underarms are cared for? ♪ ♪ it shows! our new dove advanced care formula is 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he suddenly just has a change of heart? no. what really happened was ronald was posting as q, looking for things to post, he went a little too far, the mask slipped a little bit too much. he got scared and then he decided to backtrack on his public account to, you know, look less like q, but that made him look more like q. >> he has the power to write q drops, i know he does, because i no he the software really well. to think that he hasn't written at least one is very naive. i still think that squrks just as dangerous f not more so during this pandemic. and i think he is going to get people killed his bioweapon theory. >> that disturbing series airs on hbo and hbo max, which are owned by warner media, the same parent company as cnn. with me now, the director of q, into the storm, cullin hubback. the final two episodes air tonight. it has been amazing to watch. i have been tuning in. are you going to answer the question of who is q? >> well, i think the series paints a very compelling case for who is find q. of course we try to craft it in such a way in a the audience can really play the role of investigator and sort of experience the same journey that i experienced along the way. but i think by the end of episode six, yes, we make a very compelling case for who is q. >> this has been going on for some time, i think undetected by much of the american people. i want to play part of a video i took on my iphone from a trump rally that i cuffed back in july of 2018. let's take a quick peek at this. >> you can see the q signs there. i saw another q sign at the same rally. that was back in july of 2018. cullen, did we miss the warning sidebars of how mainstream qanon was becoming at that time and how it was seeping in our politics? >> yeah. for you to be in 2018 with a cell phone would have been placed at wu at one of the furs times we saw one of the boom cycles for q. actually what piqued my interest in q was when redditt banned q. it made me wonder whether banning or censoring might have the opposite effect and might actually turn more people on the q. yeah, i mean you caught on very early. and i also was starting to wonder if q was going to be the kind of ultimate test of the limits of free speech. so i jumped in kind of with that question and of course with this bigger question of who is behind q, thinking if we demystified the whole thing, it might bring to it a logical conclusion. >> right. and you explore the association between some trump supporters and qanon. i want to play another clip from the series where you dive into that. let's watch. >> if q is trump, and his group, after the election results are over, if trump loses, q will go away, q will literally go away if trump loses. they will -- they will erase this. they will erase my company. we will probably die. i mean that's how serious they will erase it. if trump wins the election and he's q, then q will just stop because he won't have any interest in it anymore. why -- why bother wasting any brain stecells on that? >> cullen, give us an idea why qanon got connected to trump supporters. i was at trump rallies and i would hear trump supporters saying we go one, we go on, ton of the mantras of the qanon movement. >> not the first q drops but once it was later in the q narrative, trump he is inner circle and the q narrative were enter twined. and for those who believe in qanon believe that trump is working on this false but skr secret plans behind the scenes and in order to rid the world of an evil cabal. it gave them a lot of sort of false hope. we see that false hope manifest on january 6th. >> interesting. all right. well, this is fascinating stuff, cullen. thank you for joining us. the final two episodes of q into the storm air tonight on hbo beginning at 9:00 p.m. eastern. we'll be right back. 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