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you've got some news about what the president will say. >> reporter: right, ana. it's news he finally took the stage. he was running an hour late. he took the stage a few moments ago. we'll play a little sound here. he begins the speech by describing the journey he's been on as successful, saying there's noefr been a journey as successful as the one we've been on he says in this speech even though he just lost re-election and republicans just lost the senate in the last election. here is some of what donald trump had to say a few moments ago. >> i stand before you today to declare that the incredible journey we've begun together, we went through a journey like nobody else. there's never been a journey like it. there's never been a journey so successful. we began it together four years ago, and it is far from being over. >> so there you have it. the former president is back on the political stage after being essentially in hiding for the last several weeks since leaving office. one thing we should note, ana, in the first few minutes of his speech he made news saying he's not going to be starting a new political party. w we reported that he had been discussing that with some of his aides. much of that was because of the sore loserism he was engaging in after losing the election to joe biden. the other thing we should point out, as he's closing out the cpac conference that's been going on over the last several days here in orlando, he was chosen by the attendees here at cpac as their choice to be the republican nominee in 2024. we can show this on screen. he won the cpac straw poll as it's called. we should note to our viewers this is not the most scientific poll in the entire world. far from it. he did come out in front according to the attendees at this conference. florida governor ron desantis behind him in this poll. one thing people are saying, 5%, that's not a lot of people out there, not like it's 95% or 97% of all the attendees at this con for instance. ana, i will remind you, i covered many republican primaries back in 2016, i remember donald trump winning these primaries handily because he was so far ahead of a large field of candidates who essentially split up the anti-trump vote. >> jim, after what you're hearing this this weekend, is trump the future of the republican party, or is it too early to tell? >> reporter: i think at this point there is no other future for the republican party besides donald trump as it stands right now. we saw jim jordan, the republican congressman making this case earlier today. even if you talk to trump critics, people like mitch mcconnell, he was on fox just the other day saying that he would essentially support donald trump as the republican nominee if the party makes him the nominee. that's despite the fact that after the impeachment trial, mitch mcconnell was raelg against the former president saying he was responsible for the insurrection at the capitol on january 6th. one thing we should note as we're watching the speech unfold, donald trump is going to go after these republicans who voted to impeach him a few weeks ago. i talked to a source familiar with this speech who said yes. republicans who have been critical of the former president, who voted to impeach him. they're not going to like this speech. we'll see this play out over the next hour or so. >> i want to bring in done any sullivan live at cpac. you've been talking to trump supporters all afternoon, doni. what's the atmosphere like and what are you hearing from them? >> reporter: ana, hundreds of very excited trump supporters, many of whom outside cpac are hoping to get a glimpse of the former president, hoping perhaps he'll drive by after his speech. we spoke to some of them today. have a listen. >> why are you here today? >> i'm here to support president trump. hopefully he's going to announce he's going to be running for 2024. also, i would hope i would see him be more vulnerable so people can see who he really s maybe tell people how he feels about the election, not too much to focus on that it was stolen, but that it was sad that some of the things that happened and we need to move forward as a country. >> do you think it will be helpful if he keeps focusing on the false claims that the election was stolen? >> they're not false claims. unfortunately we haven't proven them in the court. people will tune him out. i want him to focus on the future. >> we're here because i love president trump. million americ president trump in this election. we feel like the election was stolen from us. >> do you think it's important for trump today to come out and condemn -- >> he has condemned -- >> i'm not convinced that that was started by -- you see how peaceful we are. i'm not convinced yet because there's been no actual investigation done yet. it just assumed that it was us. >> but all the trump supporters that have been arrested by the fbi, indicted. >> how about blm? >> do you not agree fbi has their problems. >> is there any -- you don't trust the election officials. >> no. >> you don't trust the fbi. >> no. >> you don't trust the courts. >> no. >> who do you trust? >> trump and his supporters and anybody that has -- that when i listen to them talk, they don't turn my stomach with the disingenuousness. >> reporter: ana, as you can hear, there's all shades of trump supporters here. there are people that have deep beliefs in qanon and believe conspiracy theories about january 6th. we've seen the leader of the proud boys outside of here today. we've also seen people who want nothing to do with qanon. pretty much everyone we speak to, ana, still believes the core conspiracy theory that the former president is continuing to perpetuate, that the election was in some way stolen. >> donie o'sullivan, my thanks to you. with us to discuss, two former gop lawmakers, former u.s. senator of pennsylvania and cnn senior political commentator rick santorum and corporaler congresswoman from utah and cnn political commentator nia love. i want to play something we just heard from trump about your party. >> we're not starting new parties. they kept saying he's going to start a brand new party. we have the republican party. it's going to unite and be stronger than ever before. i am not starting a new party. wouldn't that be brilliant. let's start a new party and divide our vote so you can never win. so we're not interested in that. >> congresswoman, what's your reaction? >> well, i'm actually glad he said he's not starting a new party. we are the republican party, and i'd like to remind him, also, that i've been a republican longer than he has. and we're not necessarily buying all of the rhetoric that is become put out there by this former president. i thought it was really interesting as he began he was speech -- i was pleased to hear he was talking a little more about policy, but then he went back to the old type of divisive rhetoric, talking about the border wall, talking about -- in a way that -- there are ways to discuss it, but in a way that was a little bit more divisive. then he went on to talk about, that he may run again. well, there are a lot of people that are there that i think would give him a run for his money. so i think he needs to be careful what he talks about, and he has to watch his back because there are some people there praising him now. but when it comes to running for president, will probably throw their hat in the ring. >> we'll circle back to that in just a moment. first, senator, we heard from the supporters at cpac in that piece from donie o'sullivan and what we can take away from all of that, there at cpac, you hear the speakers continuing to reenforce the big lie from the election that prompted the deadly attack at the capitol. they are listening. if conspiracy theories continue to drive the gop, where does that take your party? >> i don't think the conspiracy theories are driving -- sure, you have a base of trump supporters who are unfortunately listening to the falsehoods that were spread by the president before. he hasn't said much recently, so far at least in the speech i've been listening to, hasn't said much about it. today focusing almost all on immigration which i think is interesting. >> hold on for a second. a lot of republican leaders still are continuing to double, triple down on this idea that the election wasn't legitimate in some way. >> i think republicans are concerned and they're going to be focused on making sure that future elections are held in a way that votes that are legitimately cast are counted, and those that aren't are not counted. i think that's a legitimate thing to do, something republicans have been talking about for a long, long time. voter integrity is a very important thing, as well as voter access. we need to do both. we no ed to make voting easier, but we also have to make sure that it's secure and it's valid. so that is the sticking point. i go back -- donald trump said, as you highlighted at the beginning of the show, he was successful. except for electing donald trump, the republicans were actually very successful in the 2020 election. we won every contested statehouse majority. we picked up seats in the congress. we should have held on to the senate, and if it wasn't for president trump and the way he acted after the election, we probably would have won at least one of the georgia seats. in the end, i think what the president is talking about is right, that the republican message actually counter -- that's what he's doing effectively i think so far in the speech, counter joe biden's extreme positions on so many policy, it's going to be a real opportunity for us in 2022. the president says i'm not going to start a new party, we're going to unite this party and go after who the real problem is, and that's the socialists in the democratic party. >> it's funny you should suggest jid's policies are extreme positions when a majority of americans agree with a lot of the policies, the $15 minimum wage, idea, for example. >> they don't agree -- >> i want to get back to congresswoman love here. last hour i spoke to gop congressman adam kinzinger. senator josh hawley bragging about sowing doubt with the results of the election. >> honestly, if he called, i'm not sure i'd take the call. given the damage to the capitol, given the fact that now people try to obscure that as saying it was antifa or blm, but then they go out and saw i saw this rap song where they were talking about patriots knocking on the capitol. it's not something to celebrate. you see the lives lost, the destruction of families and these people that spread lies and peddle in fear and, quite honestly, to me, i want nothing to do with them. >> congresswoman, this is your party. >> adam is right. i think what is really -- what is more devastating, it's not what happened during the insurrection. it's what happened after. the president, regardless of party, has the means and the responsibility to stop what was happening. there was an attack on a branch of government -- i don't want to say third branch of government, because they're equal, but on a branch of government. he had the responsibility to stop it. so whether he thought he led it, whether he thought he caused it or not, he didn't stop it. i think that's why there's such a frustration with representative kinzinger. he was in the room. the vice president was in that room and the president did nothing to stop it. i find it very difficult to lead a party when you're willing to throw your own party and the american people, even the other party in harm's way and put them in danger. so that is the biggest, i think, flaw and the biggest crime for me, is the fact that he didn't seen stop it when he knew that -- even after the phone call with mccarthy. that's the biggest problem that i have. i think that's why adam kinzinger, representative kinzinger said i don't want to have anything to do with him. >> nia love, rick santorum, i appreciate both of you. thank you for being with us. breaking news this afternoon. the cdc director moments ago signing off on the johnson & johnson one-shot vaccine. my next guest was part of a j&j vaccine trial. everything you need to know about this shot, how soon you could get it next. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." the fastest 5g in the world. available in parts of many cities. it's not just a great network. it's ridiculously fast. 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>> that's exactly it. if you had told us not even a year ago, but six months ago, four months ago, that by now we would have three safe and effective vaccines against covid-19, all of us would have said, wow, that's really incredible. actually that's exactly what's happened now. it's incredible we have a third vaccine which is so important because supply is the limiting factor right now. having another vaccine, especially one that's single dose makes a big difference. this week we should be able to see what is supposed to be 4 million vaccines distributed for johnson & johnson across the country which could directly translate to 4 million people being fully vaccinated this week with johnson & johnson. this one additional vaccine, especially one that could be stored at refrigerated temperatures for months at a time is a real game-changer. >> there are small differences between the pfizer and the moderna vaccines when you look at the efficacy numbers, both around 95%. there is more of a difference between those and the johnson & johnson vaccine which was 66% effective in preventing moderate to severe disease in its global trial, 72% effective in the u.s. can you explain why comparisons between these vaccines may not tell the full story? >> there are three reasons. one is that the trials were done at different time points. so the time that moderna and pfizer were doing their trials was earlier, before we had so many of these other variants and before we had such substantial surges as was what's happening when the johnson & johnson trial was done. the second is the johnson & johnson trial was done in a number of different countries, including south africa where the prevailing variant was the b1351 variant, the one we're particularly concerned that potentially some vaccines may be less effective against. the third point that's really important is that all of these vaccines, including johnson & johnson are essentially 100% protective at preventing such severe disease that results in hospitalizations or deaths. no one in the johnson & johnson study that received the vaccine was hospitalized or died, including the individuals who were in south africa with this prevailing b 15315 variant and why it's such fantastic news that we have three vaccines that people can be taking. >> any info on side effects to the johnson & johnson vaccine? >> the same types of side effects as in the two general types. one is soreness, redness at the site of the injection, and the other is overall not feeling so good. so feeling fever, fatigue, body aches, et cetera. it does seem like there are maybe less of these side effects with johnson & johnson than with pfizer and moderna. also, this is a one dose. if you have the side effects, it's one time. i should also mention that the johnson & johnson vaccine is being studied as a two-dose vaccine, too. so now what's approved, what's authorized is the one-dose. in the future, it may be that a second dose gives you even longer lasting protection. that part is still being studied. >> not specific to any one vaccine, but i've seen a lot of questions wondering how long the immune response lasts after a vaccination. what do we know? >> the answer is we don't fully know. we know you get at least the immune response, a robust immune response for three months after vaccination or after getting the infection. probably it lasts for quite a bit longer, but we don't know exactly how long that is, and that's why these continuing studies are important. i think we should also keep in mind that there may be booster shots that we receive. that's okay. in fact, that, again, is another reason why people should take whatever vaccine they have access to right now. if you have access to johnson & johnson, take that. maybe you can get a booster shot of johnson & johnson in months to come, or even in another vaccine in months to come. get whatever you can now to get some immunity, some protection for you and for people around u you. >> how nervous or excited are you to find out if you got the placebo or the vaccine itself? >> i'm told at some point this week hopefully i'll be getting a call telling me what i got. of the two dose trial, i got either two of the placebo or two of the vaccine. if i got the placebo, i'll be very happy to finally get the vaccine. >> we're excited to find out your results as well. thank you for being with us. you always have wonderful information to help us through the pandemic. thank you. coming up, a second former aide has come forward accusing new york governor andrew cuomo of sexual harassment. we have the latest on the new accusations and the investigation. plus, alarming new details about the crash that killed nba superstar koeb buy bryant. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." so when my windshield broke... >> woman: what?! >> vo: ...i searched for someone who really knew my car. i found the experts at safelite autoglass. with their exclusive technology, they fixed my windshield... then recalibrated the camera attached to my glass so my safety systems still work. who knew that was a thing?! >> woman: safelite has service i can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play ♪ ♪ hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid ♪ ♪ and all that glitters is gold ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. when dehydration gets real... ♪ hey! that's mine. i'll buy you a pony. advanced hydration isn't just for kids. pedialyte helps you hydrate during recovery. riders, the lone wolves of the great highway. all they need is a bike and a full tank of gas. their only friend? 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"the new york times" reports that now a second former aide to new york governor andrew cuomo has come forward with allegations of sexual harassment. cnn's brynn gingras is following this for us. brynn, what more do we know about these allegations, and how is governor cuomo responding? >> ana, the former aide's name is charlotte bennett. she spoke to "the new york times." she said she had a number of interactions with governor cuomo, feeling like he was a mentor initially, but that changed. she particularly recalled one incident from last june telling "the times" she was alone with cuomo in his office and he asked her a number of personal questions, like if she had ever been with an older man. she said that he was open to relationships with women in their 20s. she interpreted these as overtures to a sexual relationship. she said she was discomforted about conversations the two had about her own past experience with sexual assault. they say there's text messages she provided to support the claims. cuomo says ms. bennett was a hard working and valued member of our team. she has every right to speak out. when she came to me and opened up about being a sexual assault survivor and how to empower her voice, i tried to be supportive and helpful. i was trying to be a mentor to her. i never made advancements towards ms. bennett nor did i intend to act in a way that was inappropriate. this situation cannot and should not be resolved in the press. i believe the best way to get to the truth is through a full and thorough outside review, and i'm directing all state employees to comply with that effort. i ask all new yorkers to await the findings of the review so they know the facts before making any judgments. i'll have no further comment until the review has concluded. we reached out to bennett for further comment on her allegations. she didn't respond. she's the second person in the past week to accuse the governor of inappropriate behavior. former aid lindsey boylan says cuomo gave her an unwanted kiss on the lips in 2018 when she worked with him. the governor denied those allegations. it's important to note that. the governor and his administration had soaring popularity during the pandemic, but has taken a lot of criticism for his handling of nursing home death data during the pandemic. now it's looking like cuomo will face two different investigations, one for the harassment allegations and one in the early stages by the doj about the nursing home data, although we're not sure what the probe is focusing on. >> tell us, how do you anticipate or what do we know about what's going to happen when it comes to this investigation into the harassment allegations? >> the governor's office has said it wants the attorney general and the chief judge in the state's highest court to pick an independent private lawyer to conduct the probe to avoid even the perception of interference in politics. we're hearing from sources in lawmakers that that's really not an enough. what the governor's office is proposing doesn't allow subpoena power for the investigation, meaning, they wouldn't be able to compel witnesses, may not get their hands on certain documents. they're calling for cuomo to make a referral to the ag's office which would grant those powers. the ag's office is not being shy. it's come forward and said we don't accept the proposal the governor is offering. it's fully capable of handling the investigation and they want the governor to take the next action. >> brynn gingras, thank you. despite losing the house, the senate and the white house within four years under trump, the gop is fully embracing the former president. next, why a few lone republicans are sounding the alarm. uters. we didn't stop at storage or cloud. we kept going. working with our customers to enable the kind of technology that can guide an astronaut back to safety. and help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it. so when it comes to your business, you know we'll stop at nothing. as carla wonders if she can retire sooner, she'll revisit her plan with fidelity. and with a scenario that makes it a possibility, she'll enjoy her dream right now. that's the planning effect, from fidelity. the ergo smart base from tempur-pedic responds to snoring -am automatically. so no hiding under your pillow. or opting for the couch. your best sleep. all night. every night. experience the mattress ranked #1 in customer satisfaction by jd power, two years in a row. this phone paired with 5g ultra wideband-- wow! 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>> i don't buy the premise that he's the future of the republican party. what i do say and acknowledge is he owns the base of the party, which, by the way, is convening in that star wars bar right now down in florida, listening to the former president speak. we have always known, republicans for many, many years, decades, have referred to cpac as the star wars bar because -- it doesn't need to be the tail that wags the dog of the party, so to speak. it's an activist group that is part of -- has traditionally been part of the republican coalition, has traditionally played from time to time a constructive role in terms of the political and policy debates within the party. because the base of the party now represents no principle or set of ideas but for the defense of one person, that's what the base of the party has become. but there's still 25% of sane republicans in the house, the liz cheneys, ben sasse sfrmts, they're being sen shored by the base of their parties, because donald trump -- that that is preordained for the future of this party. >> john, what's your reaction to this news that trump is not going to start a third party? >> disappointment. i think one way the fever can all break is the extreme should have their own ponds to sbim in and should stop poisoning the well that the rest of us have to live with in this thing we call self government. it has become sort of a tragic comic cult of personality. they literally have a golden calf outside the zone here. this kind of a rehashing of all the old themes and listening to a speech, an adoring crowd, it's a rehash with some dog whistle and big lie, and a little policy on illegal immigration, and donald trump given his record of lying is not somebody is going to lead a party or country in a constructive direction. it's a lost opportunity in terms of sief yphoning off the crazy. >> let's look at the straw poll. trump is so far ahead, 5% for donald trump. ron desantis, the governor of florida, is next in line at 21%, followed by single digits for kristi noem, nikki haley, mike pompeo, ted cruz, rand paul, tucker carlson, josh hawley, then mike pence with 1% and the list goes on and on. what's your read on this, margaret? >> ana, it's a snapshot in time. donald trump, of course he still owns the party. he's been the leader of the party for four years, he's captured the base. the real question is, there are senate races in 2022 that are up. if he's going to continue to own the party, what is he going to do to keep it? is he going to help and try to get the republican senate that he lost back? is he going to work closely with rick scott to help republican senators get back in office? is he for real or is he just about himself? and i think, you know, i've got a bet on that. >> by the way, if he did, would he help, right? that's the other thing, donald trump is' nor mussily popular with the base, deeply unpopular with a broad swath of the american people. joe biden has already got approval ratings that are much higher than trump ever got, even at the outset of his presidency. that's the other factor here. this is the problem with polarization. he's popular with the base, not the american people. >> i want to play you what ronald reagan said during his address to cpac. this was in 1981. >> this reformation, this renaissance will not be achieved nor will it be served by those who engage in political clap trap or false promises. it will not be achieved by those who set people against people, class against class or institution against institution. >> margaret, do republicans today need to be reminded of that message? do they even care? >> republicans now only care -- republicans at cpac right now only care about the defense of donald trump. but, yes, 100% we need to be reminded of those words of ronald reagan and those principles. that kind of factionalism, as george washington called it, the hyper partisanship, as the person on my left, my husband calls it, really, truly is rotting this country and the political fabric of this country. reagan knew that. that's why reagan was the one classically to say, you know, my 80% ally is not my 20% enemy. if you're going to be a winning party, you have to build winning coalition, not divide us against them. that's what the future of the republican party, if it's going to be successful, has the relearn. >> it's about principles more than personality. this hunting for heretics that the party has become obsessed with, at donald trump's beck and call, that's a sickness, not a sign of strength. >> john avlon, margaret hoover, good to have you as always. john we'll caulk lincoln coming up after the break. here is christine romans with your "before the bell" report. >> democrats are racing to pass president biden's covid relief bill. this week new unemployment numbers could highlight why it's needed. the federal jobs report due friday. jobs added 110,000 net new jobs, more than in january, but still en namic growth. as fed chair jerome powell announced last week, the job market is stuck in a deep hole. >> there's still a long way to go to full recovery. we intend to keep our policy supportive of that recovery. >> a supportive fed is exactly what investors want. but powell's message didn't soothe wall street for long. volatility returned. tech stocks sold off next week as investors grew increasingly concerned about rising bond yields. wall street is worried the fed may need to raise interest rates sooner than planned if the economy overheats this year. in new york, i'm christine romans. this is how you become the best! 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>> well, remember, the mere fact of lincoln's election, this new president from a new party is enough to spur seven states in the south to secede. they refused to accept him as a legitimate president. the threats of insurrection and assassination at his inauguration. jefferson davis has already been inaugurated president of the confederate states of america and lincoln gets up, this untested president, never having held an elected office before, a one-term congressman from a new party and proceeds to present the poetry of democracy, making the case that we are not enemies. we are friends. we must be friends. and he proceeds to make a case for why secession shouldn't occur. i didn't succeed because the logic of polarization was already accelerating to where violence was inevitable. >> we look at lincoln now, his greatness is a given. as he was trying to hold the country together, lincoln was criticized not just by the south but some republicans in the north as well. why was lincoln personally so unpopular among some of his fellow republicans? >> there was vicious criticism. the famous term team of rivals applies. he had a cabinet full of people who saw themselves at least equal if not his superiors. lincoln had a deep self-confidence and he knew that he could harness people for their strengths. but he was called everything from weak to a tyrant. it's hard to be both. but that was the volume of attacks and criticism. he was so often dismissed and disrespected and it's because he was this new president from a new party out from the western state of illinois. he was seen as joking all the time. people didn't take him seriously and also importantly, he had the capacity to grow in office. and that's an important thing. by the end of his first term, he's being compared to washington even as the civil war rages. the criticism was vicious, even from his own party. >> any lessons for where we are today? >> a lot. there are so many lessons because here lincoln -- sometimes people say, we're more divided than any time since the civil war. that's an exaggeration. one of the things that lincoln provides us though is an example for how our country has been through worse times before, we can learn the lessons of lincoln's leadership, which is focus on reconciliation and reunification, the importance of presidential leadership, the importance of rising above our divides, and still being -- being willing to win. he had to win the war, but he knew he had to win the piece after the fact. and his empathy, honesty, humor all helped to do that. >> when is your book coming out? 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