national rally party has surged since they won the european elections three weeks ago, despite president macron pledging to stop its rise. and — a sky full of stars at coldplay�*s record—breaking fifth now on bbc news... newscast: electioncast. hi everybody. so, rishi sunak is still fighting for votes and he is still fighting for hisjob, because it is not over yet and rule number one of journalism is, never assume. but he was on with us this morning and it was quite a big moment, ithink. i think it was maybe the last big moment that he will have during this election campaign and that's what makes it so big. because, look, there's lots of polls day by day, you can't move for polls and publicly, rishi sunak says, he said to you, in fact, he still thinks he will be prime minister on friday after the general election. privately, i can tell you, the conservative campaign believe the polls and the labour campaign believe the polls. and, so, they need, rishi sunak needs, something to change and this was perhaps his big last opportunity to speak to the public about why he thinks things need to change. i was struck by the fact that he has faced a much smaller election before when he stood as conservative leader and lost to liz truss and then magically he got the job anyway. so maybe in his head there is two outcomes and one of them is he is prime minister for another five years. let's see, let's discuss it on this sunday's episode of newscast. newcast from the bbc. hello. it's paddy in the studio. and it's laura in the studio. and it's henry in the studio. and it's the last sunday before the campaign. and it does feel, henry, doesn't it, this is sort of crackle in the air. it's like this is the moment approaching? yeah. i think there's a genuine mood of excitement, but also trepidation that sort of seeps out of every whatsapp i receive, every phone call i have with someone who's working on these campaigns. i think the sort of energy of a campaign. it feels like at the start, they're obviously very lively and very excited and all the things they've been planning for for ages, you know, they suddenly do them. and then you have the first debates and the first interviews and all of that. there was definitely a lull a couple of weeks ago when they realised, 0k, well, the manifestos are out now. you've just got to repeat yourselves. but the the energy is ramping up again. but it's nervous energy now rather than sort of competitive energy. and also i mean, i've been told i'm wrong to say to expect average turnout, sort of up towards 70% in a general election. and you and chris mason have told me to brace for lower turnout. i just think that's my hunch, we don't know. but my hunch is it will be lower. and a lot of people around the place sort of expect that it will probably be lower because we know there's that mood, notjust of apathy, but kind of actually kind of angry apathy. i mean, i get really kind of smug about thinking that a vote is a precious thing. it is a precious thing. putin kills his opponents, pushes him out of windows, poisons them and kills them. and we have a democratic system. and ultimately, i still think we should take time to be humble. in fronts, infronts, in in fronts, in the uk, infronts, in the uk, we in fronts, in the uk, we are great democracies and this is a great democratic movement. i democracies and this is a great democratic movement.- democracies and this is a great democratic movement. i think it is hard if low — democratic movement. i think it is hard if low turnout _ democratic movement. i think it is hard if low turnout is _ democratic movement. i think it is hard if low turnout is a _ democratic movement. i think it is hard if low turnout is a sign - democratic movement. i think it is hard if low turnout is a sign of - hard if low turnout is a sign of political— hard if low turnout is a sign of political failure or political success. we have had high turnout since _ success. we have had high turnout since the _ success. we have had high turnout since the 2014 independence referendum. in 2017 and 2019, much higher— referendum. in 2017 and 2019, much higher than_ referendum. in 2017 and 2019, much higher than the preceding general elections. ,, higher than the preceding general elections. . , ., , higher than the preceding general elections. ,, , ., , ., higher than the preceding general elections. ,, , ., , elections. quite people go, people care less then _ elections. quite people go, people care less then they _ elections. quite people go, people care less then they used _ elections. quite people go, people care less then they used to. - elections. quite people go, people care less then they used to. i - elections. quite people go, people care less then they used to. i think thatis care less then they used to. i think that is nonsense. people care when they think there is something huge at stake. the eu referendum, people think this is a profound moment and a profound question they want to be part of giving an answer and it will be fascinating to see what happens next thursday. do people feel this is a profound moment that people want to take in, that precious process of casting a vote, or do they think that, not interested because it is the party fear, lots of people think that politics has lost its ability to be a force for good. rishi sunak this morning... keir starmer has been hammering this message to the shadow cabinet for the best part of two years. a minister had left a meeting and said, they have two opponents between them and the general election which is approaching. one is the conservative party and the other is the idea the labour party can make a difference. as well as they can beat their conservative party on thursday, we will get sensory turnout weather they have beaten that idea that they can make any difference. beaten that idea that they can make any difference-— any difference. incumbency is something — any difference. incumbency is something you _ any difference. incumbency is something you fight, - any difference. incumbency is something you fight, this - any difference. incumbency is something you fight, this is i something you fight, this is my record — something you fight, this is my record and _ something you fight, this is my record and if you are fighting that, you say— record and if you are fighting that, you say it — record and if you are fighting that, you say it is — record and if you are fighting that, you say it is a rubbish racket. you are about — you say it is a rubbish racket. you are about to— you say it is a rubbish racket. you are about to release people from presence, — are about to release people from presence, there are potholes, we have _ presence, there are potholes, we have the — presence, there are potholes, we have the cost of living crisis, rishi — have the cost of living crisis, rishi sunak says that is all true, but i _ rishi sunak says that is all true, but i am — rishi sunak says that is all true, but i am the guy that has brought inflation — but i am the guy that has brought inflation down from 11% to 2%. when you had _ inflation down from 11% to 2%. when you had him — inflation down from 11% to 2%. when you had him on the sites and on the sofa, _ you had him on the sites and on the sofa, you _ you had him on the sites and on the sofa, you have interviewed him many times, _ sofa, you have interviewed him many times, did _ sofa, you have interviewed him many times, did you see the fate we have seen _ times, did you see the fate we have seen in _ times, did you see the fate we have seen in the — times, did you see the fate we have seen in the leaders debates, did you seen in the leaders debates, did you see the _ seen in the leaders debates, did you see the fight?— see the fight? yes, this is a fi . htin: see the fight? yes, this is a fighting sioux _ see the fight? yes, this is a fighting sioux now, - see the fight? yes, this is a fighting sioux now, i - see the fight? yes, this is a fighting sioux now, i am - see the fight? yes, this is a fighting sioux now, i am a l fighting sioux now, i am a mild—mannered, measured manager. he is clearly... rishi sunak. he was wound up and feeling the pressure of the last few days and feeling the pressure of someone that most of the poll suggest, someone who is trying to stop his party heading for a complete asteroid landing on them from planet earth and who is trying to salvage something and end this in a way that might feel as if it is respectable. but it is very interesting, we started with that sentiment in the public were so many people think the country is not working after so much time of one party being in charge. what we wanted to do this morning was to force them to confront that sentiment, notjust to sit and fight about statistics. i want to reduce some of the messages that we read to him because our viewers got in touch. michael said, why does my son's school not have enough money for glue sticks. why do i have for rules on every road i drive on. == rules on every road i drive on. -- potholes- — rules on every road i drive on. -- potholes. sheila _ rules on every road i drive on. -- potholes. sheila wrote _ rules on every road i drive on. -- potholes. sheila wrote in, - rules on every road i drive on. -- potholes. sheila wrote in, our . potholes. sheila wrote in, our bi est potholes. sheila wrote in, our biggest worry _ potholes. sheila wrote in, our biggest worry is _ potholes. sheila wrote in, our biggest worry is not _ potholes. sheila wrote in, our biggest worry is not about - potholes. sheila wrote in, our biggest worry is not about taxi potholes. sheila wrote in, our . biggest worry is not about tax it's about— biggest worry is not about tax it's about having the basics. the basics! it is the basics, _ about having the basics. the basics! it is the basics, it _ about having the basics. the basics! it is the basics, it is _ about having the basics. the basics! it is the basics, it is not _ about having the basics. the basics! it is the basics, it is not even - about having the basics. the basics! it is the basics, it is not even we - it is the basics, it is not even we would like more from the government. not everybody. tell us what you think, but this is what we wanted to put to rishi sunak, a genuine sentiment that was held by many people. sentiment that was held by many --eole. , , ., people. this is what he said. of course it has — people. this is what he said. of course it has been _ people. this is what he said. of course it has been very - people. this is what he said. 0f| course it has been very difficult. when _ course it has been very difficult. when inflation _ course it has been very difficult. when inflation has _ course it has been very difficult. when inflation has risen - course it has been very difficult. when inflation has risen to- course it has been very difficult. when inflation has risen to the i when inflation has risen to the highest — when inflation has risen to the highest level. _ when inflation has risen to the highest level. the _ when inflation has risen to the highest level. the war- when inflation has risen to the highest level. the war in - when inflation has risen to the i highest level. the war in ukraine, of course — highest level. the war in ukraine, of course that _ highest level. the war in ukraine, of course that has _ highest level. the war in ukraine, of course that has an _ highest level. the war in ukraine, of course that has an impact - highest level. the war in ukraine, of course that has an impact on i of course that has an impact on sheila — of course that has an impact on sheila and _ of course that has an impact on sheila and everyone _ of course that has an impact on sheila and everyone else - of course that has an impact on sheila and everyone else and l of course that has an impact on . sheila and everyone else and that of course that has an impact on - sheila and everyone else and that is why i_ sheila and everyone else and that is why i am _ sheila and everyone else and that is why i am working _ sheila and everyone else and that is why i am working so _ sheila and everyone else and that is why i am working so hard _ sheila and everyone else and that is why i am working so hard to- sheila and everyone else and that is why i am working so hard to deliver| why i am working so hard to deliver financial— why i am working so hard to deliver financial security _ why i am working so hard to deliver financial security to _ why i am working so hard to deliver financial security to everybody. - why i am working so hard to deliver financial security to everybody. i. financial security to everybody. i want _ financial security to everybody. i want people _ financial security to everybody. i want people to _ financial security to everybody. i want people to build _ financial security to everybody. i want people to build to - financial security to everybody. i want people to build to keep - financial security to everybody. i . want people to build to keep more financial security to everybody. i - want people to build to keep more of their money— want people to build to keep more of their money so — want people to build to keep more of their money so they _ want people to build to keep more of their money so they can _ want people to build to keep more of their money so they can spend - want people to build to keep more of their money so they can spend out i want people to build to keep more of| their money so they can spend out on their money so they can spend out on their families — their money so they can spend out on theirfamilies in— their money so they can spend out on their families in the _ their money so they can spend out on their families in the way _ their money so they can spend out on their families in the way that - their money so they can spend out on their families in the way that they - their families in the way that they want _ their families in the way that they want and — their families in the way that they want and we _ their families in the way that they want and we have _ their families in the way that they want and we have been— their families in the way that they want and we have been able - their families in the way that they want and we have been able to i their families in the way that they i want and we have been able to start to do— want and we have been able to start to do that _ want and we have been able to start to do that after _ want and we have been able to start to do that after a _ want and we have been able to start to do that after a difficult _ want and we have been able to start to do that after a difficult few- to do that after a difficult few years — to do that after a difficult few years i— to do that after a difficult few ears. ,., ., , to do that after a difficult few ears. .,, , ., , ., years. i saw in those questions and his answer. — years. i saw in those questions and his answer, one _ years. i saw in those questions and his answer, one of _ years. i saw in those questions and his answer, one of the _ years. i saw in those questions and his answer, one of the fault - years. i saw in those questions and his answer, one of the fault lines i his answer, one of the fault lines of this general election campaign. he is trying to make this general election about the last 18 months, the time he has been prime minister and what he wants to do going forward in the next five years. members of the electorate keep yanking him back to the last 14 years. the labour party want to make it about that as well. when you said to him, is the country in a better state when —— right then when it was 14 years ago? he state when -- right then when it was 14 years ago?— 14 years ago? he said yes. those oor 14 years ago? he said yes. those poor primary _ 14 years ago? he said yes. those poor primary schools _ 14 years ago? he said yes. those poor primary schools who - 14 years ago? he said yes. those poor primary schools who are - 14 years ago? he said yes. those i poor primary schools who are better readers, hats off to them, every tory minister mentions them every day. there seems to be a lot of pressure on the seven—year—olds as they make their way through a cat in they make their way through a cat in the hat. i they make their way through a cat in the hat. ., �* ~' they make their way through a cat in the hat. ., �* ~ , ,, ., ,, the hat. i don't think rishi sunak has made only — the hat. i don't think rishi sunak has made only in _ the hat. i don't think rishi sunak has made only in a _ the hat. i don't think rishi sunak has made only in a way - the hat. i don't think rishi sunak has made only in a way he - the hat. i don't think rishi sunak has made only in a way he feels| has made only in a way he feels comfortable defending the record of the last 14 years. not because he does not feel it is defensible, but because he thinks that he is standing as rishi sunak, not as the combined effect of david cameron, theresa may, borisjohnson and liz truss and rishi sunak. people feel like this is an election that is delivering a verdict on their conservative party.- delivering a verdict on their conservative party. you are asking me as a voter. _ conservative party. you are asking me as a voter, i _ conservative party. you are asking me as a voter, i need _ conservative party. you are asking me as a voter, i need 19 _ conservative party. you are asking me as a voter, i need 19 years. - conservative party. you are asking me as a voter, i need 19 years. i i me as a voter, i need 19 years. i need — me as a voter, i need 19 years. i need 19— me as a voter, i need 19 years. i need 19 years and if you vote labour, _ need 19 years and if you vote labour, you are going to vote than for the _ labour, you are going to vote than for the rest — labour, you are going to vote than for the rest of your life. you will never _ for the rest of your life. you will never have _ for the rest of your life. you will never have another party. when you look at _ never have another party. when you look at the — never have another party. when you look at the tax question, what we have _ look at the tax question, what we have nailed on this programme, taxes are going _ have nailed on this programme, taxes are going up _ have nailed on this programme, taxes are going up under labour and taxes have gone _ are going up under labour and taxes have gone up under the tories and will continue to do so if they stayed — will continue to do so if they stayed because of the threshold and because _ stayed because of the threshold and because of the fact they have raised taxes _ because of the fact they have raised taxes since — because of the fact they have raised taxes since the 1940s. those things are both _ taxes since the 1940s. those things are both true at the same time, if you are _ are both true at the same time, if you are a — are both true at the same time, if you are a voter, if you did think it was about— you are a voter, if you did think it was about tax, labour has ruled out their three — was about tax, labour has ruled out their three big levers of tax raising _ their three big levers of tax raisin. . . , their three big levers of tax raisin. . .,, , ., their three big levers of tax raisin. ., .,, , ., ., raising. that has been one of the big dynamics _ raising. that has been one of the big dynamics of _ raising. that has been one of the big dynamics of the _ raising. that has been one of the big dynamics of the campaign, i raising. that has been one of the | big dynamics of the campaign, the conservative party doing this sort of raffle of taxes where you spin the ball and what comes out. inheritance tax on farmland. will you rule that out? i think in some ways, it has been quite effective. but the reason they have been left doing that, spin the wheel, what is it today? is because labour were so adamant from start that the three taxes, they were going to meet their conservatives pledge right there. one of the dynamics we will talk about and lots of sandys going forward should labour win the general election, weather in so doing labour have held a few are several dozen seats they would not have one at the general election, might they have constrained the room for manoeuvre fiscally too far for a potential labour government? that would be one of the fascinating dynamics if they win on thursday. it dynamics if they win on thursday. it may well be. but i will put this on record, call me an old cynic... i would never use the word cynic. successive — would never use the word cynic. successive chancellors, conservative and labour chancellors, when they hear a problem and their calculator showing 0.000... money in the money back. what did they change the rules. i am back. what did they change the rules. iam not back. what did they change the rules. i am not saying that because i have had prior insight, this is some secret plan that has been whispered to me, i'm seeing this with years of experience, in campaigns people treat the fiscal rules as if they are carved in stone. and i have seen plenty of chancellors take a giant blast out of that tempest of stone and change the rules and find some money in the back of the couch. this campaign has been dominated by the trap of their own choosing for both parties, chances —— chancellors will go, this is how we change the rules. thea;r is how we change the rules. they will aet is how we change the rules. they will get in — is how we change the rules. they will get in and — is how we change the rules. they will get in and they _ is how we change the rules. they will get in and they will— is how we change the rules. they will get in and they will say, - is how we change the rules. they will get in and they will say, wow, the books — will get in and they will say, wow, the books are even worse than they would _ the books are even worse than they would be _ the books are even worse than they would be. pauljohnson says that is ridiculous, — would be. pauljohnson says that is ridiculous, the books are public. the treasury is transparent. i remember— the treasury is transparent. i remember ages ago, maybe a year ago, having _ remember ages ago, maybe a year ago, having a _ remember ages ago, maybe a year ago, having a discussion with someone senior— having a discussion with someone senior in— having a discussion with someone senior in the conservative party, david _ senior in the conservative party, david cameron and george osborne one the general— david cameron and george osborne one the general election, when they did. press— the general election, when they did. press conference after a press conference talking about what a rabid _ conference talking about what a rabid state they had found the country — rabid state they had found the country and labour have learned from that and _ country and labour have learned from that and if— country and labour have learned from that and if they win the general election. — that and if they win the general election, they will do the same. discussions of people about how they might do that if they went and the will repeal the carpet back to look at the floorboards. and conversations about how they will communicate that to the public. the statistics are — communicate that to the public. tie: statistics are there communicate that to the public. tte: statistics are there if communicate that to the public. "tt2 statistics are there if you communicate that to the public. tt2 statistics are there if you look for them in the treasury is the same afs that says the detail is not there from the two parties. they call it a conspiracy of silence about what you will actually do when you get the carpet up. t will actually do when you get the caret u. ~' ., will actually do when you get the caret u. ~ ., ~ ., carpet up. i know! knowl economists _ carpet up. i know! knowl economists all _ carpet up. i know! knowl economists all the - carpet up. i know! knowl economists all the time i carpet up. i know! know i| economists all the time by carpet up. i know! know i - economists all the time by using metaphors, but economists are not... economists and politicians are not the same. politicians are realistically, in real life, rarely going to when a campaign when they say, roll—up, roll—up everyone, this is going to be horrendous. you are not going to get that thing and i am going to take away all your sweeties. gordon brown, to sell the gold disaster. there is hardly any money to spend. in general, it is not a way to win a general election by saying to people it will be horrible gruel and a of gravel for your pudding if you are lucky. that is not to say it is not important to explain the economic picture and it is important to point out that their main parties have been shy of giving very much economic detail. but it is also, there is a bit for me and i can say this will be a bit of... what's the word? it’s can say this will be a bit of... what's the word? it's unrealistic. not mean it _ what's the word? it's unrealistic. not mean it is _ what's the word? it's unrealistic. not mean it is ok. _ what's the word? it's unrealistic. not mean it is ok. does - what's the word? it's unrealistic. not mean it is ok. does not - what's the word? it's unrealistic. | not mean it is ok. does not mean what's the word? it's unrealistic. i not mean it is ok. does not mean i am justifying it that people are getting their knickers in a twist this week is about something not realistic to be done. t this week is about something not realistic to be done.— realistic to be done. i agree with ou it is realistic to be done. i agree with you it is unrealistic. _ realistic to be done. i agree with you it is unrealistic. we - realistic to be done. i agree with you it is unrealistic. we should i you it is unrealistic. we should also _ you it is unrealistic. we should also think. _ you it is unrealistic. we should also think, as as journalists, but as and _ also think, as as journalists, but as and everyone as voters, eight why is it unrealistic? if the country cannot— is it unrealistic? if the country cannot have a conversation about why things— cannot have a conversation about why things will— cannot have a conversation about why things will be tough, and if politicians have assessed it is in the interest not to say so, that is maybe _ the interest not to say so, that is maybe because as voters who get high and mighty— maybe because as voters who get high and mighty for politicians not getting — and mighty for politicians not getting honest with us,... the}r and mighty for politicians not getting honest with us,... they were sa in: this getting honest with us,... they were saying this point. — getting honest with us,... they were saying this point, people _ getting honest with us,... they were saying this point, people think - getting honest with us,... they were saying this point, people think we i saying this point, people think we can turn the tap on. debt, climate change and brags we try to do a lot this morning on subjects which have not been discussed in the campy, the south of the national debt, one minister told me who got wound up in cross, that people have not been talking about the sky high level of the national debt, which has hit just about to hit of gdp. fin the national debt, which has hit just about to hit of gdp. on brexit, niel just about to hit of gdp. on brexit, nigel farage _ just about to hit of gdp. on brexit, nigel farage appeared _ just about to hit of gdp. on brexit, nigel farage appeared on - just about to hit of gdp. on brexit, l nigel farage appeared on newsnight and said _ nigel farage appeared on newsnight and said brexit had been a failure. he subsequently change those words to say, _ he subsequently change those words to say, bigger failure because the conservatives did not do it correctly. now he is back. rishi sunak— correctly. now he is back. rishi sunak is— correctly. now he is back. rishi sunak is a — correctly. now he is back. rishi sunak is a brexit year and brexit itself— sunak is a brexit year and brexit itself has — sunak is a brexit year and brexit itself has not been given the airtime — itself has not been given the airtime that the d—day nonappearance had, that— airtime that the d—day nonappearance had, that the gambling had, i have not had _ had, that the gambling had, i have not had the — had, that the gambling had, i have not had the party is held to the flame — not had the party is held to the flame about brexit. what progress did you _ flame about brexit. what progress did you make this morning? on brexit we asked labour— did you make this morning? on brexit we asked labour and _ did you make this morning? on brexit we asked labour and the _ did you make this morning? on brexit we asked labour and the tories - did you make this morning? on brexit we asked labour and the tories about | we asked labour and the tories about this morning, on brexit, there is the overwhelming consensus from economists and of course there is a big range here, but the consensus is that i've read that has made it harder for that i've read that has made it harderfor the uk that i've read that has made it harder for the uk to that i've read that has made it harderfor the uk to make ends meet in the long term. that is the economic consensus. the old vr headset and all sorts of experts have said it. —— ob r. mr sinovac�*s old bosses said it. —— rishi sunak. one of his friends said on the radio the other day, it has made trading more difficult. rishi sunak did not want to touch that with a barge pole and i mean a very long and spiky barge pole. he did almost everything he could to avoid addressing that point. we were not trying to get him to say, it was a terrible thing. but would he acknowledge the economic consensus now that brexit has made it harder for the consensus now that brexit has made it harderfor the uk to consensus now that brexit has made it harder for the uk to trade around the world. he of course, came back with evidence of new trade deals that he says they have signed. citing recent statistics that the uk has been doing better recently than other eu countries. but neil got in touch to see the, this interview is painful, does he understand his response to questions is a terrible look. what did it look like to you? what does it look like when you were watching it? he what does it look like when you were watchin: it? ., , what does it look like when you were watchin: it? . , , , what does it look like when you were watching it?— watching it? he was feisty, for sure, watching it? he was feisty, for sure. which — watching it? he was feisty, for sure, which i— watching it? he was feisty, for sure, which i thought - watching it? he was feisty, for sure, which i thought was - watching it? he was feisty, for sure, which i thought was a i sure, which i thought was a continuation to his approach to wednesday's debate. and i thought then, _ wednesday's debate. and i thought then, i_ wednesday's debate. and i thought then, i thought it worked very well for him _ then, i thought it worked very well for him. but it is a fine line. i think— for him. but it is a fine line. i think i— for him. but it is a fine line. i think i wrote on the bbc live page, a very— think i wrote on the bbc live page, a very fine — think i wrote on the bbc live page, a very fine line. if you are on the right— a very fine line. if you are on the right side — a very fine line. if you are on the right side of— a very fine line. if you are on the right side of it, you look passionate. if you nudge onto the other— passionate. if you nudge onto the other side — passionate. if you nudge onto the other side of that line, you can look— other side of that line, you can look a — other side of that line, you can look a bit — other side of that line, you can look a bit rude. and i think that will be — look a bit rude. and i think that will be in — look a bit rude. and i think that will be in the eye of the beholder here _ will be in the eye of the beholder here one — will be in the eye of the beholder here. one other thing we should say, the very— here. one other thing we should say, the very fact — here. one other thing we should say, the very fact that he was there on your programme on the sunday before, and sir— your programme on the sunday before, and sir keir— your programme on the sunday before, and sir keir starmerwas your programme on the sunday before, and sir keir starmer was not, sent the ultimate sort of pack their busm — the ultimate sort of pack their bus... . , ., the ultimate sort of pack their bus... . .. the ultimate sort of pack their bus- - -_ jose i bus... can you clarify? jose mourinho — bus... can you clarify? jose mourinho when _ bus... can you clarify? jose mourinho when he - bus... can you clarify? jose mourinho when he was - bus... can you clarify? jose - mourinho when he was chelsea bus... can you clarify? jose _ mourinho when he was chelsea manager used to— mourinho when he was chelsea manager used to accuse other... i don't know if he _ used to accuse other... i don't know if be accused — used to accuse other... i don't know if he accused other teams that he would _ if he accused other teams that he would say— if he accused other teams that he would say they would turn up and park the — would say they would turn up and park the bus. would say they would turn up and park the bus-— would say they would turn up and park the bus. you're really saying, he is a safe _ park the bus. you're really saying, he is a safe pair— park the bus. you're really saying, he is a safe pair of— park the bus. you're really saying, he is a safe pair of hands. - park the bus. you're really saying, he is a safe pair of hands. my - park the bus. you're really saying, | he is a safe pair of hands. my head is so much — he is a safe pair of hands. my head is so much in _ he is a safe pair of hands. my head is so much in euros _ he is a safe pair of hands. my head is so much in euros mode, - he is a safe pair of hands. my head is so much in euros mode, i - he is a safe pair of hands. my head is so much in euros mode, i am . is so much in euros mode, i am already— is so much in euros mode, i am already at— is so much in euros mode, i am already at the barbecue to see you -- engiand— already at the barbecue to see you —— england demolish slovakia. can already at the barbecue to see you -- england demolish slovakia. can we hear some of— -- england demolish slovakia. can we hear some of these _ -- england demolish slovakia. can we hear some of these exchanges, - -- england demolish slovakia. can we hear some of these exchanges, can i -- england demolish slovakia. can we| hear some of these exchanges, can we hear some of these exchanges, can we hear the prime minister and pat mcfadden? brute hear the prime minister and pat mcfadden?— hear the prime minister and pat mcfadden? ~ , , mcfadden? we probably could. people miaht be in mcfadden? we probably could. people might be in touch _ mcfadden? we probably could. people might be in touch when _ mcfadden? we probably could. people might be in touch when during - mcfadden? we probably could. people might be in touch when during why, i might be in touch when during why, we invited keir starmer to come in the programme today. we have invited him to come on the programme throughout the campaign. if people are wondering, it was not a choice. we did not say, come on rishi sunak, do not come on keir starmer. let's make that clear before the conspiracy theorists do their thing. and then we went on to ask receipts in ach about the astonishing row on friday after the reform activist from nigel farage's used appalling racial slurs against them. rishi sunak said he had to call that out. some viewers got in touch said his approach to racism in the tory party had not always been zero tolerance. they wanted to know why they had taken money from tory donor who had made racist remarks. t taken money from tory donor who had made racist remarks.— made racist remarks. i draw this all the remarks — made racist remarks. i draw this all the remarks that _ made racist remarks. i draw this all the remarks that were _ made racist remarks. i draw this all the remarks that were made - made racist remarks. i draw this all the remarks that were made by i made racist remarks. i draw this all the remarks that were made by mr| the remarks that were made by mr hester— the remarks that were made by mr hester to — the remarks that were made by mr hester to diane abbott and their shameful remarks that was made about the prime _ shameful remarks that was made about the prime minister's background to see the _ the prime minister's background to see the well of public conversation in the _ see the well of public conversation in the united kingdom is polluted. how can— in the united kingdom is polluted. how can we persuade people to stand for parliament? i don't think that question is going away. in parliament over the last few days they have been setting up sort of welcome packs and welcome discs for mps and amongst them is a presentation in the ways that they should or could instantly protect their security, upon becoming mps. that is clearly a sensible thing to be advised on instantly. but my god what a grim fact that that is one of the first things they get told and must be one of the proudest days being in parliament as an mp. if being in parliament as an mp. if someone on your party is overtly racist _ someone on your party is overtly racist and — someone on your party is overtly racist and you call out, that is how the system — racist and you call out, that is how the system works. if you are wrong you have _ the system works. if you are wrong you have to— the system works. if you are wrong you have to come out and say you are wrong, _ you have to come out and say you are wrong, that _ you have to come out and say you are wrong, that is— you have to come out and say you are wrong, that is how the system works. voters _ wrong, that is how the system works. voters want _ wrong, that is how the system works. voters want to know, did frank hester— voters want to know, did frank hester serious things about diane abbott _ hester serious things about diane abbott get cold out in the same way that a _ abbott get cold out in the same way that a man — abbott get cold out in the same way that a man identified with reform has been — that a man identified with reform has been a — that a man identified with reform has been a row about how he was informed, — has been a row about how he was informed, saying these things, has that been— informed, saying these things, has that been cold out equally? | informed, saying these things, has that been cold out equally?- that been cold out equally? i think rishi sunak _ that been cold out equally? i think rishi sunak has _ that been cold out equally? i think rishi sunak has said _ that been cold out equally? i think rishi sunak has said it _ that been cold out equally? i think rishi sunak has said it was - that been cold out equally? i think rishi sunak has said it was ok i that been cold out equally? i think rishi sunak has said it was ok to l rishi sunak has said it was ok to take their money from frank hester because frank hester apologised. the difference here is where activist had in the same way stop his answer is they are not the same because then when there was a clear sense there was a sense of contrition on there was a sense of contrition on the other when there was not. it is complicated. i think it is one that viewers and others will take differently. we had a strong response from our viewers in advance of the programme this morning saying, please ask rishi sunak about this. we hate what happened to him but we do not look at the record of the conservative party in this area i think they have always taken the right steps. people are looking at politicians and wanting to believe what they say. some people have been confused about how can labour's promise on energy be bullied. having this energy company cold gp energy which will be publicly owned and invest in energy projects which would then end... contributing to growth. the promise they have put aside that is it would save people £300 a year. we asked pat mcfadden how to get to that statistic. it is how to get to that statistic. it is not uuite how to get to that statistic. it is not quite so _ how to get to that statistic. it is not quite so simple. _ how to get to that statistic. it is not quite so simple. that is based on current— not quite so simple. that is based on current prices _ not quite so simple. that is based on current prices compared - not quite so simple. that is based on current prices compared to i not quite so simple. that is based. on current prices compared to what we can— on current prices compared to what we can get— on current prices compared to what we can get you _ on current prices compared to what we can get you through _ on current prices compared to what we can get you through generationl we can get you through generation two, we can get you through generation two. nuclear— we can get you through generation two, nuclear energy. _ we can get you through generation two, nuclear energy. [it— we can get you through generation two, nuclear energy. it is- we can get you through generation two, nuclear energy.— two, nuclear energy. it is an estimate — two, nuclear energy. it is an estimate of _ two, nuclear energy. it is an estimate of where _ two, nuclear energy. it is an estimate of where you i two, nuclear energy. it is an estimate of where you can i two, nuclear energy. it is an i estimate of where you can get to two, nuclear energy. it is an - estimate of where you can get to in six years' time. it does not seem you should be making a solid promise to people on the manifesto saying this is what will come off their monthly budget. this this is what will come off their monthly budget.— this is what will come off their monthly budget. this is what will come off their monthl budaet. , , ., monthly budget. this is a good way to illustrate — monthly budget. this is a good way to illustrate to _ monthly budget. this is a good way to illustrate to transitioning - monthly budget. this is a good way to illustrate to transitioning to i to illustrate to transitioning to renewable _ to illustrate to transitioning to renewable energy. _ to illustrate to transitioning to renewable energy. if- to illustrate to transitioning to renewable energy. if we - to illustrate to transitioning to renewable energy. if we do. to illustrate to transitioning toi renewable energy. if we do not to illustrate to transitioning to i renewable energy. if we do not do that, _ renewable energy. if we do not do that, we _ renewable energy. if we do not do that, we will— renewable energy. if we do not do that, we will be _ renewable energy. if we do not do that, we will be left _ renewable energy. if we do not do that, we will be left at _ renewable energy. if we do not do that, we will be left at the - renewable energy. if we do not do that, we will be left at the mercy. that, we will be left at the mercy of international— that, we will be left at the mercy of international oil— that, we will be left at the mercy of international oil and _ that, we will be left at the mercy of international oil and gas - that, we will be left at the mercy. of international oil and gas prices. we are _ of international oil and gas prices. we are also— of international oil and gas prices. we are also at _ of international oil and gas prices. we are also at the _ of international oil and gas prices. we are also at the mercy- of international oil and gas prices. we are also at the mercy of- of international oil and gas prices. we are also at the mercy of who i we are also at the mercy of who controls — we are also at the mercy of who controls those _ we are also at the mercy of who controls those fossil— we are also at the mercy of who controls those fossil fuels - we are also at the mercy of who controls those fossil fuels and l we are also at the mercy of who. controls those fossil fuels and we saw the _ controls those fossil fuels and we saw the kind _ controls those fossil fuels and we saw the kind of— controls those fossil fuels and we saw the kind of energy _ controls those fossil fuels and we saw the kind of energy blackmaill saw the kind of energy blackmail that vladimir— saw the kind of energy blackmail that vladimir putin _ saw the kind of energy blackmail that vladimir putin attempted i saw the kind of energy blackmail that vladimir putin attempted toj saw the kind of energy blackmail i that vladimir putin attempted to put on europe _ that vladimir putin attempted to put on euro e. ., , that vladimir putin attempted to put on euroe. ., , ., ., on europe. now, it is not true to sa it is on europe. now, it is not true to say it is an _ on europe. now, it is not true to say it is an estimate _ on europe. now, it is not true to say it is an estimate based i on europe. now, it is not true to say it is an estimate based on i say it is an estimate based on current prices, it is an estimate based on prices last year when prices were more expensive. it is an estimate put together by a think tank outfit based on estimates of what might happen if we have 98% of decarbonisation by 2030. it is an aim but not a solid estimate even though it is not a solid figure even though it is not a solid figure even though it is a solid primus from the labour parted. you can see pat mcfadden saying it is an illustration. but it is a manifesto promise. illustration. but it is a manifesto romise. , ., , illustration. but it is a manifesto promise-_ he - illustration. but it is a manifesto promise._ he did i illustration. but it is a manifestoj promise._ he did not illustration. but it is a manifesto i promise._ he did not say promise. -- promise. he did not say if gp energy — promise. -- promise. he did not say if gp energy will _ promise. -- promise. he did not say if gp energy will generate _ promise. -- promise. he did not say if gp energy will generate its i promise. -- promise. he did not say if gp energy will generate its own i if gp energy will generate its own energy or invest across the private sector in certain projects. he said the latter. at other points in the general election campaign, other people have said different things. it is a complicated policy area that it is a complicated policy area that i am confused. t it is a complicated policy area that i am confused.— it is a complicated policy area that i am confused. i have been following this closely- — i am confused. i have been following this closely- i — i am confused. i have been following this closely. i feel— i am confused. i have been following this closely. i feel we _ i am confused. i have been following this closely. i feel we are _ i am confused. i have been following this closely. i feel we are near i i am confused. i have been following this closely. i feel we are near the i this closely. i feel we are near the end in— this closely. i feel we are near the end in every— this closely. i feel we are near the end in every sense. thank god for that! _ end in every sense. thank god for that! 0t— end in every sense. thank god for that! of the — end in every sense. thank god for that! of the campaign and of newscast. it is an emotional issue for some — newscast. it is an emotional issue for some people. sometimes you make up for some people. sometimes you make up your— for some people. sometimes you make up your mind _ for some people. sometimes you make up your mind days and weeks in advance— up your mind days and weeks in advance of— up your mind days and weeks in advance of the election being cold. you will— advance of the election being cold. you will be — advance of the election being cold. you will be all over itv.— you will be all over itv. thursday niuht we you will be all over itv. thursday night we will _ you will be all over itv. thursday night we will be _ you will be all over itv. thursday night we will be won _ you will be all over itv. thursday night we will be won before i you will be all over itv. thursday night we will be won before the i you will be all over itv. thursday i night we will be won before the exit poll. night we will be won before the exit oll. ., , ., ., . poll. you will be on the radio? we will be on — poll. you will be on the radio? we will be on the _ poll. you will be on the radio? we will be on the air— poll. you will be on the radio? we will be on the air at _ poll. you will be on the radio? we will be on the air at a _ poll. you will be on the radio? we will be on the air at a quarter i poll. you will be on the radio? we will be on the air at a quarter to i will be on the air at a quarter to ten. if you want to steal a march, you can listen to ten minutes of that. then you can watch laura. you can listen to our dulcet tones through the night.— through the night. thank you everybody- — that is how the week ahead are shaping up, changeable, low pressure close by, most of the rain in the west and north—west of the country. no signs of another hot and sunny speu no signs of another hot and sunny spell on the cards. this ridge of high pressure has brought quite a bit of dry weather around this morning, a few splashes of rain across south east of england. otherwise mostly dry, limited sunshine. the best of its southern and south—west england, highs of 20 or 21 degrees. for the most it is the mid to high teens. this evening, any showers and spits and spots of rain will fade away. we look to the west for a new set of weather fronts pushing into bring thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain. temperatures becoming 12 degrees. under clear skies we can see a few single digits. into monday, this weather from crossing the country. there will not be that much on the way of rain, should be mostly dry and it will fizzle towards the east. we start with some sunshine, most of the rain across scotland, northern england and pushing out to the nrc. because of a lack of sunshine, disappointing 2021 degrees. monday is the first day of wimbledon, there could be the odd spot of rain. better chance of staying dry on tuesday, perhaps a few glimmers of brightness, temperatures into the low 20s. this ridge of high pressure exerts its force across the country a little bit more on tuesday. we start off on a final note, lots of sunshine for england and wales. this westerly breeze will bring showers and longer spells of rain pushing into scotland and northern and western scotland, a little bit wetter, temperatures disappointing, 14 to 21 degrees. most of the rain will be a northern and western areas, the better escaping the rain in the south end the east but cool further time of year. both by day and by night. live from london, this is bbc news. the reform uk leader nigel farage holds a rally after a scandal leading to three candidates being trapped. the uk prime minister has been speaking to the bbc, defending fourteen years of conservative rule ahead of this week's election. meanwhile, laboursays the country isn't going back to freedom of movement with the eu, if they're elected. police in tenerife confirm that the search for missing british teenagerjay slater has been called off after nearly two weeks. voting is under way in the first round of france's parliamentary elections —— this is the scene live england takes on

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