of this complaint. thank you very much though our audience —— campaign. you've all been a really important part of this. thank you to the two contenders. this is the last time you are scheduled to appear together. we are grateful to both of you for taking part. thank you very much. applause applause studio: and the two men shaking hands with mishal husain after an hour of clashes and claims. thanks to michelle of course as well. they've had their say here in the spin room. the supporters will ve be vying to make their claim that their man was the winner. in the next half-hour, _ their man was the winner. in the next half-hour, politicians - their man was the winner. in the next half-hour, politicians and i next half—hour, politicians and journalists will tell us was it dazzling or disaster? most importantly, remember, robertand taz need, two of the questioners, will be with us. we will find out if they thought the answers were good enough. we they thought the answers were good enou . h. ~ , they thought the answers were good enou~h.~ , . ., enough. we will be checking out some ofthe enough. we will be checking out some of the claims — enough. we will be checking out some of the claims made _ enough. we will be checking out some of the claims made by _ enough. we will be checking out some of the claims made by both _ enough. we will be checking out some of the claims made by both men. - enough. we will be checking out some of the claims made by both men. the | of the claims made by both men. the first, laura, you haven't frequented many of these establishments, shall we say. —— you have. how do you think that went? it we say. -- you have. how do you think that went?— we say. -- you have. how do you think that went? it was very spiky and intense- _ think that went? it was very spiky and intense. you _ think that went? it was very spiky and intense. you could _ think that went? it was very spiky and intense. you could tell- think that went? it was very spiky and intense. you could tell both | think that went? it was very spiky . and intense. you could tell both men know that the time is now. this is when the country, millions of people, are tuning in to find out what they stand for and those undecided voters are starting to think what they're going to do. there were two words in particular that both men kept coming back to. rishi sunakfor the that both men kept coming back to. rishi sunak for the first time kept using the words, surrender. don't surrender the borders, don't surrender the borders, don't surrenderfinances, he even surrender the borders, don't surrender finances, he even used it in his closing statement. his whole thrust was very aggressive warning to voters watching about what labour will look like. keir starmer�*s favourite phrase seems to be 14 years, consistently trying to remind people watching of the conservatives' record. very clear bits of messaging coming from both men in a very intense debate, but i think a lot of people might feel that the moment, one of our questioner said putting them both on the slot, are you really the best we can do. �* ., ., ., can do. and we are going to have him. at can do. and we are going to have him- at the _ can do. and we are going to have him. at the end _ can do. and we are going to have him. at the end of— can do. and we are going to have him. at the end of the _ can do. and we are going to have him. at the end of the day, do i can do. and we are going to have. him. at the end of the day, do you think the dial will have moved when it comes to the polls?— it comes to the polls? well, it is ve late it comes to the polls? well, it is very late for _ it comes to the polls? well, it is very late for the _ it comes to the polls? well, it is very late for the conservatives i it comes to the polls? well, it is| very late for the conservatives to make a recovery. they've been behind for many months and the polls have not budged much at all. rishi sunak is definitely on the back foot. we saw a much punchier rishi sunak tonight. i wonder if some of our viewers and some conservatives will be thinking, where was that fighter in the last few weeks? there's no question we saw him being very more aggressive. we can see keir starmer leaving the debate i think tonight after a very intense hour and 15 minutes. i want to show you where we are. this is the spin room, where the parties are beginning to visually claim victory. it gets pretty crazy. we've gotjournalists from all other broadcasters in our print colleagues. this is what happens. in the middle of that scrum is pat mcfadden, and here's victoria atkins. are you chipper or not? i thought rishi showed his plan for the future, but also the serious choice — the future, but also the serious choice we — the future, but also the serious choice we will make as a country next _ choice we will make as a country next week — choice we will make as a country next week. we must not surrender our country _ next week. we must not surrender our country |_ next week. we must not surrender our count . .., �* next week. we must not surrender our count. �* ,, country. i couldn't resist grabbing a word. there _ country. i couldn't resist grabbing a word. there is _ country. i couldn't resist grabbing a word. there is the _ country. i couldn't resist grabbing a word. there is the labour- country. i couldn't resist grabbing | a word. there is the labour party, some of the top team. pat mcfadden, butjonathan asked for and depressing. ——jonathan butjonathan asked for and depressing. —— jonathan ashworth. this is what happens behind the scenes injournalism. all our colleagues on the air as this argument is far from over. colleagues on the air as this argument is farfrom over. the colleagues on the air as this argument is far from over. the two main men have an hour and 15 minutes on the stage. it is not all over, because now the contest to claim victory really gets under way. live. thank you for that little tour of the environment here. i'm pleased to say are two guests that are joining i'm pleased to say are two guests that arejoining us. robert, your question brought gasps. is the best you have to choose from? what was the response? did you think perhaps things improved as a result of what you heard? ha. things improved as a result of what ou heard? ., ., , things improved as a result of what you heard?— you heard? no. i was disappointed with the response _ you heard? no. i was disappointed with the response from _ you heard? no. i was disappointed with the response from both - you heard? no. i was disappointed with the response from both rishi| with the response from both rishi and sir keir. neither of them seem to want to say why they were good. if that makes any sense. they were sort of going on what they've done in the past. they weren't being positive. from a prime ministerfrom my perspective, we want a personality, we want somebody that we can recognise, we want somebody on the world stage that is going to project our great britain. that's what we want.— project our great britain. that's what we want. ., ., ., what we want. yeah, tasman, you are talkin: what we want. yeah, tasman, you are talking about — what we want. yeah, tasman, you are talking about possibly _ what we want. yeah, tasman, you are talking about possibly leaving - what we want. yeah, tasman, you are talking about possibly leaving the - talking about possibly leaving the country. what could these two leaders tell you to make you feel that you should have a future here in this country? i that you should have a future here in this country?— in this country? i really wanted them to mention _ in this country? i really wanted them to mention the _ in this country? i really wanted them to mention the quality i in this country? i really wanted them to mention the quality ofi in this country? i really wanted - them to mention the quality of life that's— them to mention the quality of life that's in— them to mention the quality of life that's in the uk versus other countries _ that's in the uk versus other countries. ouryoung that's in the uk versus other countries. our young people leaving the uk _ countries. our young people leaving the uk to— countries. our young people leaving the uk to other countries like the uae and — the uk to other countries like the uae and australia? it is the quality of life _ uae and australia? it is the quality of life here — uae and australia? it is the quality of life here. it's detrimental here. it is the _ of life here. it's detrimental here. it is the cost of houses and trying to get— it is the cost of houses and trying to get onto — it is the cost of houses and trying to get onto the property ladder without— to get onto the property ladder without parental help. a lot of young — without parental help. a lot of young people do not have parental help and _ young people do not have parental help and that is just the facts. they— help and that is just the facts. they didn't mention about how can i as a young _ they didn't mention about how can i as a young person feel confident that i_ as a young person feel confident that i will— as a young person feel confident that i will get a very good well— paying job that i will get a very good well—paying job with my skill set. the unemployment rates for grads is astronomical and universities are turning _ astronomical and universities are turning up— astronomical and universities are turning up year on year graduates. firms _ turning up year on year graduates. firms and — turning up year on year graduates. firms and companies are hunting down cutting _ firms and companies are hunting down cutting had _ firms and companies are hunting down cutting had count and it's very hard to find _ cutting had count and it's very hard to find a _ cutting had count and it's very hard to find a ioh — cutting had count and it's very hard to find a job. i wanted them to touch— to find a job. i wanted them to touch on— to find a job. i wanted them to touch on the quality of life and the jobs _ touch on the quality of life and the jobs yes. — touch on the quality of life and the jobs. yes, rishi sunak said he will implement— jobs. yes, rishi sunak said he will implement a 5% deposit with alone we -et implement a 5% deposit with alone we get from _ implement a 5% deposit with alone we get from the government for 20%. that's_ get from the government for 20%. that's another loan. they didn't say anything _ that's another loan. they didn't say anything about reducing the cost of housing _ anything about reducing the cost of housing or— anything about reducing the cost of housing or quality of life. i don't really— housing or quality of life. i don't really feel— housing or quality of life. i don't really feel confident their answers. back to _ really feel confident their answers. back to robert, because you are long—time conservative voter. i wonder how you feel now is seven days to go before you got to make the big decision. still days to go before you got to make the big decision.— the big decision. still undecided, i'm afraid- _ the big decision. still undecided, i'm afraid. you're _ the big decision. still undecided, i'm afraid. you're one _ the big decision. still undecided, i'm afraid. you're one of - the big decision. still undecided, i'm afraid. you're one of them? l the big decision. still undecided, j i'm afraid. you're one of them? i am, i'm afraid. you're one of them? i am. yes- — i'm afraid. you're one of them? i am. yes- ln _ i'm afraid. you're one of them? i am, yes. in fairness _ i'm afraid. you're one of them? i am, yes. in fairness to _ i'm afraid. you're one of them? i am, yes. in fairness to both - am, yes. in fairness to both politicians, tonight, they have made me decide one way or the other —— haven't. i worry about things that haven't. i worry about things that haven't been talked about. i worry about inheritance tax. i worry about council. i worry about fuel duty. we've been pushed down — let's say we've been pushed, we've been persuaded towards the electric vehicle route. fuel duty provides a huge revenue to the treasury. how will they replace that? find huge revenue to the treasury. how will they replace that? and tasmin, what about you? _ will they replace that? and tasmin, what about you? seven _ will they replace that? and tasmin, what about you? seven days - will they replace that? and tasmin, what about you? seven days ago, i will they replace that? and tasmin, i what about you? seven days ago, how are you feeling one way or another in terms of where you may cast your vote? �* ., . ., in terms of where you may cast your vote? �* ., u, ~' in terms of where you may cast your vote? �* ., _, ~ ., vote? before coming here, i kind of had my mindset _ vote? before coming here, i kind of had my mindset which _ vote? before coming here, i kind of had my mindset which way - vote? before coming here, i kind of had my mindset which way i'm i had my mindset which way i'm inclining — had my mindset which way i'm inclining towards. however, neither party— inclining towards. however, neither party is— inclining towards. however, neither party is really enticing to me. although _ party is really enticing to me. although rishi sunak might have enticing — although rishi sunak might have enticing incentives for young people like reducing the stamp duty and so on, like reducing the stamp duty and so on. after— like reducing the stamp duty and so on, after the last 14 years of flimsy— on, after the last 14 years of flimsy promises and empty promises, how nry— flimsy promises and empty promises, how my to— flimsy promises and empty promises, how my to tell that there will be results — how my to tell that there will be results of — how my to tell that there will be results of these promises? i can't. there _ results of these promises? i can't. there hasn't— results of these promises? i can't. there hasn't been any results. so, although— there hasn't been any results. so, although i— there hasn't been any results. so, although i may not agree entirely with either leader, i have to make a strategic— with either leader, i have to make a strategic vote. we with either leader, i have to make a strategic vote-— strategic vote. we will leave that there, tasmin _ strategic vote. we will leave that there, tasmin and _ strategic vote. we will leave that there, tasmin and robert, i strategic vote. we will leave that there, tasmin and robert, thanki strategic vote. we will leave that i there, tasmin and robert, thank you. laura, who is with you? we've already bumped into victoria atkins, but here is james cleverly and wes �*s treating. —— mistreating. he was a bit on the back foot tonight, wasn't he? it he was a bit on the back foot tonight, wasn't he?— he was a bit on the back foot tonight, wasn't he? it was fair to sa the tonight, wasn't he? it was fair to say the prime — tonight, wasn't he? it was fair to say the prime minister _ tonight, wasn't he? it was fair to say the prime minister was i tonight, wasn't he? it was fair to say the prime minister was veryl say the prime minister was very interrupt d and not prime ministerial. this is not decided. they only get change if they vote for it. it's very clear from rishi sunak�*s performance if we have five more years of the conservatives, nothing will change. —— shall be and interrupty. whenever he was pressed on his policy, he wasn't able to answer the questions thrown up by his own chancellor of the enormous black hole in their own spending. this is liz truss on steroids, and that's a big risk of five more years of conservative chaos and incompetence.— of conservative chaos and incompetence. of conservative chaos and incometence. incompetence. james is taking your head there- — incompetence. james is taking your head there. well, _ incompetence. james is taking your head there. well, he _ incompetence. james is taking your head there. well, he doesn't i incompetence. james is taking your| head there. well, he doesn't agree. what we saw _ head there. well, he doesn't agree. what we saw from _ head there. well, he doesn't agree. what we saw from someone i head there. well, he doesn't agree. what we saw from someone very i what we saw from someone very fragile _ what we saw from someone very fragile when actually pushed, he talked _ fragile when actually pushed, he talked over michelle and richey and over the _ talked over michelle and richey and over the audience, which is why rishi _ over the audience, which is why rishi. _ over the audience, which is why rishi, really had to assert himself. we saw— rishi, really had to assert himself. we saw over and over again wasn't starmer— we saw over and over again wasn't starmer failing to answer the questions, failing to answer what it nmans— questions, failing to answer what it means to _ questions, failing to answer what it means to be a woman, failing to answer— means to be a woman, failing to answer what he would do with asylum seekers _ answer what he would do with asylum seekers from countries you can't... ithink— seekers from countries you can't... i think our— seekers from countries you can't... i think our audience knows there were both interrupting a lot. it looks like rishi sunak has a new target, which was hammer away, and he kept using the word surrender. he was accusing labour of wanting surrender finances and the welfare system and the borders. that's very emotive. are you comfortable without language? this emotive. are you comfortable without lanuauae? , . ., ,., emotive. are you comfortable without lanuauae? , . ., , ., language? this election is about a choice, language? this election is about a choice. and _ language? this election is about a choice, and what... _ language? this election is about a choice, and what... we _ language? this election is about a choice, and what. .. we saw- language? this election is about a choice, and what... we saw it i language? this election is about a i choice, and what... we saw it today of elite _ choice, and what... we saw it today of elite audio — choice, and what... we saw it today of elite audio in the secret plan of labour's _ of elite audio in the secret plan of labour's plan. we're only talking about _ labour's plan. we're only talking about this — labour's plan. we're only talking about this because media are putting under— about this because media are putting under pressure —— leaked audio. the figure _ under pressure —— leaked audio. the figure is— under pressure —— leaked audio. the figure is hundreds of millions. there — figure is hundreds of millions. there is— figure is hundreds of millions. there is a _ figure is hundreds of millions. there is a massive black hole which will mean _ there is a massive black hole which will mean taxable go up. when the pm pushed _ will mean taxable go up. when the pm pushed keir— will mean taxable go up. when the pm pushed keir starmer on whether he refused _ pushed keir starmer on whether he refused to— pushed keir starmer on whether he refused to put up taxes, keir starmer— refused to put up taxes, keir starmer would not commit to anything that was— starmer would not commit to anything that was even a hinting... starmer would not commit to anything that was even a hinting. . ._ that was even a hinting... crosstalk west streeting _ that was even a hinting... crosstalk west streeting is _ that was even a hinting... crosstalk west streeting is rolling _ that was even a hinting... crosstalk west streeting is rolling his _ that was even a hinting... crosstalk west streeting is rolling his eyes. i west streeting is rolling his eyes. i've been talking to two audience members and they both say that they're not impressed with the offering that has been made. principally, certainly in terms of rishi sunak, there's since there been so many problems. also, uncertainty about where the country would be heading if keir starmer was prime minister. how do you deal with that since that there is an apathy and a loss of trust in politics? let me come back to james answer your question. _ me come back to james answer your question. clive _ me come back to james answer your question, clive. what— me come back to james answer your question, clive. what that _ me come back to james answer your question, clive. what that audio i question, clive. what that audio recording — question, clive. what that audio recording of— question, clive. what that audio recording of darren _ question, clive. what that audio recording of darren jones - question, clive. what that audio recording of darren jones was i question, clive. what that audio i recording of darren jones was about was the _ recording of darren jones was about was the cost — recording of darren jones was about was the cost of— recording of darren jones was about was the cost of getting _ recording of darren jones was about was the cost of getting our- recording of darren jones was about| was the cost of getting our economy to net— was the cost of getting our economy to net zero— was the cost of getting our economy to net zero by— was the cost of getting our economy to net zero by 2050. _ was the cost of getting our economy to net zero by 2050. we _ was the cost of getting our economy to net zero by 2050. we have made| to net zero by 2050. we have made sure our— to net zero by 2050. we have made sure our manifesto _ to net zero by 2050. we have made sure our manifesto is— to net zero by 2050. we have made sure our manifesto is a _ to net zero by 2050. we have made sure our manifesto is a manifesto. sure our manifesto is a manifesto that's— sure our manifesto is a manifesto that's fully — sure our manifesto is a manifesto that's fully costed _ sure our manifesto is a manifesto that's fully costed and _ sure our manifesto is a manifestoj that's fully costed and affordable. that has — that's fully costed and affordable. that has meant— 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total lack of trust i in politics at the moment. even with the events— in politics at the moment. even with the events this — in politics at the moment. even with the events this week, _ in politics at the moment. even with the events this week, i— in politics at the moment. even with the events this week, i know - in politics at the moment. even with the events this week, i know there's a bit of— the events this week, i know there's a bit of a _ the events this week, i know there's a bit of a plague _ the events this week, i know there's a bit of a plague on _ the events this week, i know there's a bit of a plague on all— the events this week, i know there's a bit of a plague on all your- a bit of a plague on all your houses _ a bit of a plague on all your houses it's_ a bit of a plague on all your houses. it's a _ a bit of a plague on all your houses. it's a bad - a bit of a plague on all your houses. it's a bad place i a bit of a plague on all your- houses. it's a bad place if 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from some of the people in the audience-— starmer from some of the people in the audience. what i would say about keir starmer. — the audience. what i would say about keir starmer, this _ the audience. what i would say about keir starmer, this is _ the audience. what i would say about keir starmer, this is a _ the audience. what i would say about keir starmer, this is a guy _ the audience. what i would say about keir starmer, this is a guy who - keir starmer, this is a guy who gripped — keir starmer, this is a guy who gripped the _ keir starmer, this is a guy who gripped the labour— keir starmer, this is a guy who gripped the labour party- keir starmer, this is a guy who gripped the labour party fromi keir starmer, this is a guy who i gripped the labour party from the ashes _ gripped the labour party from the ashes of— gripped the labour party from the ashes of defeat _ gripped the labour party from the ashes of defeat in _ gripped the labour party from the ashes of defeat in 2019 _ 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got what it takes. having change i got what it takes. having change the labour _ got what it takes. having change the labour party— got what it takes. having change the labour party to — got what it takes. having change the labour party to change _ got what it takes. having change the labour party to change our - got what it takes. having change the labour party to change our country l labour party to change our country if people _ labour party to change our country if people give — labour party to change our country if peopte give him _ labour party to change our country if people give him that _ labour party to change our country if people give him that chance - labour party to change our country if people give him that chance by. if people give him that chance by voting _ if people give him that chance by voting de — if people give him that chance by votina. ,, ~' if people give him that chance by voting-_ rishi - if people give him that chance by l voting._ rishi sunak voting. do you think... rishi sunak becomin: voting. do you think... rishi sunak becoming prime _ voting. do you think... rishi sunak becoming prime minister - voting. do you think... rishi sunak becoming prime minister has - voting. do you think... rishi sunak becoming prime minister has got l voting. do you think... rishi sunak. becoming prime minister has got the inflation _ becoming prime minister has got the inflation down and got wages increasing and we are cutting taxes, so that— increasing and we are cutting taxes, so that is— increasing and we are cutting taxes, so that is his — increasing and we are cutting taxes, so that is his personal track record _ so that is his personal track record i_ so that is his personal track record. i think one reason why so many— record. i think one reason why so many people really uncomfortable with the _ many people really uncomfortable with the idea of a keir starmer led government, they don't know what he stood _ government, they don't know what he stood for _ government, they don't know what he stood for. he used to stand for jeremy— stood for. he used to stand for jeremy corbyn, then he says he doesn't — jeremy corbyn, then he says he doesn't. he used to say that taxes didn't— doesn't. he used to say that taxes didn't need — doesn't. he used to say that taxes didn't need to go up. we now know that they— didn't need to go up. we now know that they will. i don't know what they get — that they will. i don't know what they get and that's why they can't take the _ they get and that's why they can't take the risk. they don't want to reverse — take the risk. they don't want to reverse the _ take the risk. they don't want to reverse the growth. and take the risk. they don't want to reverse the growth.— take the risk. they don't want to reverse the growth. and you both had our reverse the growth. and you both had your chance — reverse the growth. and you both had your chance campaigning _ reverse the growth. and you both had your chance campaigning a _ reverse the growth. and you both had your chance campaigning a bit - reverse the growth. and you both had your chance campaigning a bit on - reverse the growth. and you both had your chance campaigning a bit on the| your chance campaigning a bit on the television to our voters, but we are two very short on time. i mean this when i say a quick word.— when i say a quick word. yeah, riuht. when i say a quick word. yeah, right. quickly. _ when i say a quick word. yeah, right. quickly. the _ when i say a quick word. yeah, right. quickly. the end - when i say a quick word. yeah, right. quickly. the end of - right. quickly. the end of this election- _ right. quickly. the end of this election- i _ right. quickly. the end of this election. i really _ right. quickly. the end of this election. i really hope - right. quickly. the end of this election. i really hope that. right. quickly. the end of thisi election. i really hope that we right. quickly. the end of this - election. i really hope that we get the chancellor— election. i really hope that we get the chancellor to— election. i really hope that we get the chancellor to turn _ election. i really hope that we get the chancellor to turn the - election. i really hope that we get the chancellor to turn the page i the chancellor to turn the page —— the chancellor to turn the page —— the chance — the chancellor to turn the page —— the chance to _ the chancellor to turn the page —— the chance to turn _ the chancellor to turn the page —— the chance to turn the _ the chancellor to turn the page —— the chance to turn the page. - the chancellor to turn the page —— the chance to turn the page. find. the chance to turn the page. and james, the chance to turn the page. and james. brieflv- — the chance to turn the page. and james, briefly. we _ the chance to turn the page. and james, briefly. we want - the chance to turn the page. and james, briefly. we want to - the chance to turn the page. and i james, briefly. we want to continue to work breaking _ james, briefly. we want to continue to work breaking down _ james, briefly. we want to continue to work breaking down inflation, - to work breaking down inflation, increasing — to work breaking down inflation, increasing wages, getting more people — increasing wages, getting more people into employment. labour on wates— people into employment. labour on wales and _ people into employment. labour on wales and on london, crime levels are higher— wales and on london, crime levels are higherthan wales and on london, crime levels are higher than the national average _ are higher than the national averaue. . ~' are higher than the national averaue. . ~ i. , are higher than the national averaue. . ~' ,, , . are higher than the national averaue. . ~' , . average. thank you very much. that was very quick! _ average. thank you very much. that was very quick! shocks _ average. thank you very much. that was very quick! shocks clive. - average. thank you very much. that was very quick! shocks clive. two i was very quick! shocks clive. two men on the _ was very quick! shocks clive. two men on the stage _ was very quick! shocks clive. two men on the stage are _ was very quick! shocks clive. two men on the stage are the - was very quick! shocks clive. two men on the stage are the only - was very quick! shocks clive. two - men on the stage are the only people can become prime minister. we know that they are not the only ones in this big race. the that they are not the only ones in this big race-— this big race. the bbc has hosted a debate with — this big race. the bbc has hosted a debate with the _ this big race. the bbc has hosted a debate with the seven _ this big race. the bbc has hosted a debate with the seven biggest - debate with the seven biggest parties in britain and politicians from two of those parties join us now. talk back let's get out of the way and have a chat also to keith brown. keith, what did you make of what you saw tonight? i what did you make of what you saw toniaht? ~' ., what did you make of what you saw toniaht? ,, ., , tonight? i think for viewers in scotland. _ tonight? i think for viewers in scotland, they _ tonight? i think for viewers in scotland, they will— tonight? i think for viewers in scotland, they will see - tonight? i think for viewers in scotland, they will see how . scotland, they will see how completely irrelevant scotland is either _ completely irrelevant scotland is either to — completely irrelevant scotland is either to the labour party or the tory— either to the labour party or the tory partv— either to the labour party or the tory party or the bbc being squeezed out of— tory party or the bbc being squeezed out of this— tory party or the bbc being squeezed out of this debate. it was like a third _ out of this debate. it was like a third rate — out of this debate. it was like a third rate volleyball act. the things— third rate volleyball act. the things that should have been mentioned weren't mentioned. scottand — mentioned weren't mentioned. scotland or brexit were not mentioned once. austerity wasn't mentioned once. austerity wasn't mentioned once. austerity wasn't mentioned once. for that reason, i think— mentioned once. for that reason, i think this _ mentioned once. for that reason, i think this represents this election, and i_ think this represents this election, and i think— think this represents this election, and i think it represent the biggest fraud _ and i think it represent the biggest fraud on— and i think it represent the biggest fraud on the people of uk and on scotland — fraud on the people of uk and on scotland. gf fraud on the people of uk and on scotland. . fraud on the people of uk and on scotland._ they - fraud on the people of uk and on scotland._ they are - scotland. of fraud? they are not talkin: scotland. of fraud? they are not talking about _ scotland. of fraud? they are not talking about what _ scotland. of fraud? they are not talking about what the _ scotland. of fraud? they are not talking about what the ifs - scotland. of fraud? they are not talking about what the ifs has i scotland. of fraud? they are not i talking about what the ifs has said. £18 bittion _ talking about what the ifs has said. £18 billion of cuts. whoever gets in, £18 billion of cuts. whoever gets in. the _ £18 billion of cuts. whoever gets in, the tories will lose, but conservatives them will win. they will have — conservatives them will win. they will have lower standards —— conservatism. they're not saying that _ conservatism. they're not saying that. ~ . . . conservatism. they're not saying that. , ., , ,, that. we 'ust all rishi sunak leavina that. we just all rishi sunak leaving the _ that. we just all rishi sunak leaving the venue _ that. we just all rishi sunak leaving the venue in - that. we just all rishi sunak- leaving the venue in nottingham. after a pretty fiery conversation here. keith, the fact is you have significant powers in scotland and there are still many viewers in scotland tonight who are not convinced by what they seen from the snp. you have been struggling to maintain your position, why is that? i think we have had ill years of i think we have had 14 years of austerity— i think we have had 14 years of austerity and that's produced pressure, but you saw keir starmer tonight— pressure, but you saw keir starmer tonight sav— pressure, but you saw keir starmer tonight say the reason why councils are failing — tonight say the reason why councils are falling over is because of lack of government funding, although he refused _ of government funding, although he refused to— of government funding, although he refused to give any more funding. the same — refused to give any more funding. the same applies in scotland and wales _ the same applies in scotland and wales. across 14 years of austerity, track _ wales. across 14 years of austerity, track record — wales. across 14 years of austerity, track record is better in terms of housing — track record is better in terms of housing in— track record is better in terms of housing in the nhs and in terms of many— housing in the nhs and in terms of many areas — housing in the nhs and in terms of many areas of public policy. also, we have _ many areas of public policy. also, we have tried to mitigate the two... i we have tried to mitigate the two... i couldn't— we have tried to mitigate the two... i couldn't believe tonight i heard a possible _ i couldn't believe tonight i heard a possible labour prime minister attacking a tory prime minister for being _ attacking a tory prime minister for being too— attacking a tory prime minister for being too liberal on immigration. it's absolutely irrelevant to the interest — it's absolutely irrelevant to the interest of people of scotland. it should _ interest of people of scotland. it should vote for independence. keith brown, should vote for independence. keith brown. thank _ should vote for independence. keith brown, thank you. _ should vote for independence. keith brown, thank you. it's _ should vote for independence. ila: tn brown, thank you. it's also a different race going on in and all different race going on in and all different parts of the uk. idaisr; different parts of the uk. daisy coo er, different parts of the uk. daisy c00per. you're _ different parts of the uk. daisy cooper, you're with _ different parts of the uk. daisy cooper, you're with us. - different parts of the uk. daisy cooper, you're with us. i- different parts of the uk. daisy i cooper, you're with us. ijust want to understand the tactic clearly from the leadership of your party. it has been to find a way to cut through. you had a day of falling off the pedal, you've had him on bicycles, you had them all over the place. has that actually worked in getting the public to listen to your messages on tax and pensions, foreign policy, all the other important stuff — hasn't worked? i important stuff — hasn't worked? i think it has. if you listen to the debate — think it has. if you listen to the debate tonight, _ think it has. if you listen to the debate tonight, i— think it has. if you listen to the debate tonight, i think- think it has. if you listen to the debate tonight, i think the - debate tonight, i think the gentleman— debate tonight, i think the gentleman in— debate tonight, i think the gentleman in the - debate tonight, i think the gentleman in the audience debate tonight, i think the - gentleman in the audience who debate tonight, i think the _ gentleman in the audience who really hit the _ gentleman in the audience who really hit the nail— gentleman in the audience who really hit the nail on — gentleman in the audience who really hit the nail on the _ gentleman in the audience who really hit the nail on the head _ gentleman in the audience who really hit the nail on the head was - gentleman in the audience who really hit the nail on the head was the - hit the nail on the head was the gentleman— hit the nail on the head was the gentleman who _ hit the nail on the head was the gentleman who said _ hit the nail on the head was the gentleman who said is - hit the nail on the head was the gentleman who said is this - hit the nail on the head was the. gentleman who said is this really the best— gentleman who said is this really the best that _ gentleman who said is this really the best that we've _ gentleman who said is this really the best that we've got. - gentleman who said is this really the best that we've got. what i gentleman who said is this really i the best that we've got. what we've seen over— the best that we've got. what we've seen over the — the best that we've got. what we've seen over the last _ the best that we've got. what we've seen over the last few— the best that we've got. what we've seen over the last few weeks - the best that we've got. what we've seen over the last few weeks as i the best that we've got. what we've l seen over the last few weeks as many people _ seen over the last few weeks as many people have _ seen over the last few weeks as many peopte have realty— seen over the last few weeks as many people have really made _ seen over the last few weeks as many people have really made a _ seen over the last few weeks as many people have really made a human- people have really made a human connection— people have really made a human connection to _ people have really made a human connection to ed _ people have really made a human connection to ed davey _ people have really made a human connection to ed davey because l people have really made a human. connection to ed davey because he's demonstrated — connection to ed davey because he's demonstrated he _ connection to ed davey because he's demonstrated he can _ connection to ed davey because he's demonstrated he can make - connection to ed davey because he's demonstrated he can make people l demonstrated he can make people taugh. _ demonstrated he can make people taugh. we — demonstrated he can make people taugh. we can— demonstrated he can make people laugh, we can make _ demonstrated he can make people laugh, we can make them - demonstrated he can make people laugh, we can make them cry- demonstrated he can make people laugh, we can make them cry andi demonstrated he can make people . laugh, we can make them cry and he we have _ laugh, we can make them cry and he we have a _ laugh, we can make them cry and he we have a reat— laugh, we can make them cry and he we have a real experience _ laugh, we can make them cry and he we have a real experience as - laugh, we can make them cry and he we have a real experience as a i we have a real experience as a family— we have a real experience as a family carer~ _ we have a real experience as a family carer. people _ we have a real experience as a family carer. people up - we have a real experience as a family carer. people up and i we have a real experience as a i family carer. people up and down we have a real experience as a - family carer. people up and down the country— family carer. people up and down the country have — family carer. people up and down the country have made _ family carer. people up and down the country have made that _ family carer. people up and down the country have made that real- country have made that real connection~ _ country have made that real connection.— country have made that real connection. �* , ., , connection. but if they -- are they listenin: connection. but if they -- are they listening and _ connection. but if they -- are they listening and hearing _ connection. but if they -- are they listening and hearing the - connection. but if they -- are they listening and hearing the heavy i listening and hearing the heavy stuff? i listening and hearing the heavy stuff? ~ , ., , listening and hearing the heavy stuff? ~' , ., , ., stuff? i think they really are because this _ stuff? i think they really are because this stunt - stuff? i think they really are because this stunt always i stuff? i think they really are i because this stunt always comes with a very— because this stunt always comes with a very serous — because this stunt always comes with a very serous message. _ because this stunt always comes with a very serous message. when - because this stunt always comes with a very serous message. when ed i because this stunt always comes with a very serous message. when ed was on the _ a very serous message. when ed was on the paddleboard _ a very serous message. when ed was on the paddleboard in— a very serous message. when ed was on the paddleboard in windemere, i a very serous message. when ed was| on the paddleboard in windemere, he was talking _ on the paddleboard in windemere, he was talking about _ on the paddleboard in windemere, he was talking about the _ on the paddleboard in windemere, he was talking about the lib _ on the paddleboard in windemere, he was talking about the lib dem - on the paddleboard in windemere, he was talking about the lib dem plan i was talking about the lib dem plan to put— was talking about the lib dem plan to put an _ was talking about the lib dem plan to put an end — was talking about the lib dem plan to put an end to— was talking about the lib dem plan to put an end to the _ was talking about the lib dem plan to put an end to the scoundrel- was talking about the lib dem plan to put an end to the scoundrel of i to put an end to the scoundrel of sewage _ to put an end to the scoundrel of sewage dumping _ to put an end to the scoundrel of sewage dumping at— to put an end to the scoundrel of sewage dumping at a _ to put an end to the scoundrel of sewage dumping at a water- to put an end to the scoundrel of| sewage dumping at a water park. to put an end to the scoundrel of i sewage dumping at a water park. he was talking _ sewage dumping at a water park. he was talking about _ sewage dumping at a water park. he was talking about mental _ sewage dumping at a water park. he was talking about mental health i was talking about mental health practitioners— was talking about mental health practitioners in— was talking about mental health practitioners in every— was talking about mental health practitioners in every primary i was talking about mental health. practitioners in every primary and secondary— practitioners in every primary and secondary school. _ practitioners in every primary and secondary school. of— practitioners in every primary and secondary school. of course, i practitioners in every primary and secondary school. of course, he i practitioners in every primary and i secondary school. of course, he has secondary school. of course, he has spoken— secondary school. of course, he has spoken passionately— secondary school. of course, he has spoken passionately about - secondary school. of course, he has spoken passionately about social- spoken passionately about social care time — spoken passionately about social care time and _ spoken passionately about social care time and time _ spoken passionately about social care time and time again. - spoken passionately about social care time and time again. i- spoken passionately about social care time and time again. i do. spoken passionately about social. care time and time again. i do think people _ care time and time again. i do think people are — care time and time again. i do think peopte are hearing _ care time and time again. i do think people are hearing our— care time and time again. i do think people are hearing our messages, i care time and time again. i do think. people are hearing our messages, but i people are hearing our messages, but iwoutd _ people are hearing our messages, but iwoutd have _ people are hearing our messages, but i would have loved _ people are hearing our messages, but i would have loved to _ people are hearing our messages, but i would have loved to have _ people are hearing our messages, but i would have loved to have seen i people are hearing our messages, but i would have loved to have seen ed i i would have loved to have seen ed davev _ i would have loved to have seen ed davev on _ i would have loved to have seen ed davev on the — i would have loved to have seen ed davey on the sages _ i would have loved to have seen ed davey on the sages evening - i would have loved to have seen ed davey on the sages evening to i i would have loved to have seen ed davey on the sages evening to talki davey on the sages evening to talk even more — davey on the sages evening to talk even more about _ davey on the sages evening to talk even more about her— davey on the sages evening to talk even more about her plan- davey on the sages evening to talk even more about her plan for- davey on the sages evening to talk even more about her plan for our. davey on the sages evening to talk i even more about her plan for our nhs -- our plan _ even more about her plan for our nhs -- our plan-— -- our plan. what were you doing that seven _ -- our plan. what were you doing that seven days _ -- our plan. what were you doing that seven days to _ -- our plan. what were you doing that seven days to get _ -- our plan. what were you doing that seven days to get your - -- our plan. what were you doing that seven days to get your voice | that seven days to get your voice heard? i that seven days to get your voice heard? ~ that seven days to get your voice heard? ,, , ., ., ., ., heard? i think you will hear a lot more from _ heard? i think you will hear a lot more from our _ heard? i think you will hear a lot more from our campaign, - more from our campaign, delivering our messages — more from our campaign, delivering our messages on _ more from our campaign, delivering our messages on all _ more from our campaign, delivering our messages on all sorts _ more from our campaign, delivering our messages on all sorts of- our messages on all sorts of ptedges _ our messages on all sorts of ptedges right— our messages on all sorts of pledges. right around i our messages on all sorts of pledges. right around the i our messages on all sorts of- pledges. right around the country in many— pledges. right around the country in many places. — pledges. right around the country in many places. it's _ pledges. right around the country in many places, it's only— pledges. right around the country in many places, it's only the _ pledges. right around the country in many places, it's only the liberal- many places, it's only the liberal democrats — many places, it's only the liberal democrats who— many places, it's only the liberal democrats who can _ many places, it's only the liberal democrats who can beat - many places, it's only the liberal democrats who can beat the i democrats who can beat the conservatives _ democrats who can beat the conservatives and _ democrats who can beat the conservatives and deliver i democrats who can beat the l conservatives and deliver the change — conservatives and deliver the change we _ conservatives and deliver the change. we will— conservatives and deliver the change. we will get - conservatives and deliver the change. we will get that i conservatives and deliver the - change. we will get that message out loud and _ change. we will get that message out loud and clean — change. we will get that message out loud and clear.— loud and clear. daisy cooper and keith brown. _ loud and clear. daisy cooper and keith brown, thank _ loud and clear. daisy cooper and keith brown, thank you. - loud and clear. daisy cooper and keith brown, thank you. daisy i loud and clear. daisy cooper and i keith brown, thank you. daisy said more fun to _ keith brown, thank you. daisy said more fun to come. _ keith brown, thank you. daisy said more fun to come. i _ keith brown, thank you. daisy said more fun to come. i didn't - keith brown, thank you. daisy said more fun to come. i didn't think. more fun to come. i didn't think there were any stunts left! of course the poll that matters is the one next thursday that you will all take part in. we've been tracking all of the polls, and you had and see them now. —— you can. during the campaign, nothing much has happened. you can see there has been... it’s you can see there has been... it's been so static. _ you can see there has been... it's been so static. the _ you can see there has been. .. it's been so static. the liberal- been so static. the liberal democrats _ been so static. the liberal democrats are _ been so static. the liberal democrats are a _ been so static. the liberal democrats are a little - been so static. the liberal democrats are a little bit i been so static. the liberal. democrats are a little bit up, been so static. the liberal- democrats are a little bit up, but broadly speaking, the big gap between the two big parties hasn't really budged. of course, it's the stuff of rishi sunak�*s nightmares. we arejoined by stuff of rishi sunak�*s nightmares. we are joined by vicki young. what did you make of tonight? is it going to change anything in the polls? i to change anything in the polls? i think it's really interesting, if you didn't _ think it's really interesting, if you didn't know anything about those polls. _ you didn't know anything about those polls. i_ you didn't know anything about those polls, i think you would know who was out _ polls, i think you would know who was out there fighting and trying to make _ was out there fighting and trying to make up— was out there fighting and trying to make up lost ground. the prime minister— make up lost ground. the prime minister came out there incredibly aggressively, probably too aggressively, probably too aggressive for some people watching. i spoken— aggressive for some people watching. i spoken to _ aggressive for some people watching. i spoken to some of his team and they ! spoken to some of his team and they say— i spoken to some of his team and they say that doesn't matter, he had his core _ they say that doesn't matter, he had his core message and he wanted to -et his core message and he wanted to get across, — his core message and he wanted to get across, it seemed well rehearsed, those lines, about surrendering borders, sirand surrendering borders, sir and intact. — surrendering borders, sirand intact, asserting finances. i felt he was — intact, asserting finances. i felt he was very much directing that message — he was very much directing that message to people voting reform. i think that _ message to people voting reform. i think that seemed quite clear. it think that seemed quite clear. [it felt as think that seemed quite clear. felt as if think that seemed quite clear. it felt as if that was where his discussion was. it wasn't necessarily towards the labour party. it feels as if perhaps from the conservative point of view, that's gone. it's about trying to nail down those voters who might decide that they're going to go to the right. it decide that they're going to go to the riuht. ,,, ., . the right. it plays into what the conservatives _ the right. it plays into what the conservatives are _ the right. it plays into what the conservatives are saying - the right. it plays into what the . conservatives are saying privately, which _ conservatives are saying privately, which is _ conservatives are saying privately, which is this is become a damage exercise — which is this is become a damage exercise i— which is this is become a damage exercise. i thing on the flip side, sir keir_ exercise. i thing on the flip side, sir keir starmer, they're worried about— sir keir starmer, they're worried about complacency. we know that there's _ about complacency. we know that there's been a few ballots gone in, but no _ there's been a few ballots gone in, but no other votes have been cast, but no other votes have been cast, but they— but no other votes have been cast, but they do— but no other votes have been cast, but they do make a difference to people — but they do make a difference to people. what they're worried about is people _ people. what they're worried about is people watching this you might like is people watching this you might iike to— is people watching this you might like to vote labour, but i thinking there's— like to vote labour, but i thinking there's mac mac to net they need to bother— there's mac mac to net they need to bother with. there's mac mac to net they need to botherwith. —— thinking there's mac mac to net they need to bother with. —— thinking there is fro-one — bother with. —— thinking there is fro-one i— bother with. —— thinking there is no—one. i think speaking to shadow members. — no—one. i think speaking to shadow members, that's what they are probably— members, that's what they are probably most worried about, people who haven't made up their mind this late in— who haven't made up their mind this late in the _ who haven't made up their mind this late in the day and are still really trying _ late in the day and are still really trying to— late in the day and are still really trying to persuade them. you can hear— trying to persuade them. you can hear that— trying to persuade them. you can hear that in— trying to persuade them. you can hear that in the final message from sir keir_ hear that in the final message from sir keir starmer. it�*s hear that in the final message from sir keir starmer.— sir keir starmer. it's one of the interesting _ sir keir starmer. it's one of the interesting things. _ sir keir starmer. it's one of the interesting things. it _ sir keir starmer. it's one of the interesting things. it might - sir keir starmer. it's one of the j interesting things. it might feel you've already had too much of it, frankly, but we know that actually, voters often for a very good reason only really tuning at the last moment. both the parties think, despite all the politicking, there are mostly millions of votes in play. laboursay are mostly millions of votes in play. labour say they think there are around 7 million in play. ijust wonder when you talk to both camps, what did they think their best chances of answering the fears that you've just told us they have? i you've just told us they have? i think for the conservatives, it's really— think for the conservatives, it's reaiiy fear— think for the conservatives, it's really fear of labour they're trying to instill— really fear of labour they're trying to instill into those reform voters. they're _ to instill into those reform voters. they're trying to say to them, look, labour _ they're trying to say to them, look, labour wiii — they're trying to say to them, look, labour will put up taxes, they will mean _ labour will put up taxes, they will mean benefits are higher. all the things— mean benefits are higher. all the things that may be people thinking about— things that may be people thinking about labour who are actually on the ti l ht about labour who are actually on the right of— about labour who are actually on the right of politics are worried about. they— right of politics are worried about. they hope — right of politics are worried about. they hope they can really limit the damage _ they hope they can really limit the damage. just by peeling off more of those _ damage. just by peeling off more of those reform voters, they can save an awful _ those reform voters, they can save an awful lot — those reform voters, they can save an awful lot of seats. labour have to inspire — an awful lot of seats. labour have to inspire people. is the change message — to inspire people. is the change message enough? it's incredibly powerful. — message enough? it's incredibly powerful, especially after the party has been _ powerful, especially after the party has been in power for 14 years, but they want— has been in power for 14 years, but they want to — has been in power for 14 years, but they want to bid and get many people as possible. i they want to bid and get many people as ossible. ., . , ., �* as possible. i wonder what you're lookin: as possible. i wonder what you're looking for. _ as possible. i wonder what you're looking for, expecting, _ as possible. i wonder what you're looking for, expecting, and - as possible. i wonder what you're looking for, expecting, and the l as possible. i wonder what you're i looking for, expecting, and the next seven days, the final week of campaigning. i seven days, the final week of campaigning-— seven days, the final week of campaigning. seven days, the final week of camaiuanin. ~' , campaigning. i think everyone gets so nervous and _ campaigning. i think everyone gets so nervous and i _ campaigning. i think everyone gets so nervous and i think— campaigning. i think everyone gets so nervous and i think if— campaigning. i think everyone gets so nervous and i think if you're - campaigning. i think everyone gets so nervous and i think if you're a i so nervous and i think if you're a party— so nervous and i think if you're a party that— so nervous and i think if you're a party that is— so nervous and i think if you're a party that is this far ahead in the polls. as — party that is this far ahead in the polls, as labour seem to be, you're probably— polls, as labour seem to be, you're probably going to withdraw to yourself a bit more.— probably going to withdraw to yourself a bit more. even more cautious? _ yourself a bit more. even more cautious? but _ yourself a bit more. even more cautious? but then _ yourself a bit more. even more cautious? but then trying - yourself a bit more. even more cautious? but then trying to i yourself a bit more. even more - cautious? but then trying to inspire --eole. cautious? but then trying to inspire people- they _ cautious? but then trying to inspire people. they really _ cautious? but then trying to inspire people. they really have _ cautious? but then trying to inspire people. they really have a - cautious? but then trying to inspire people. they really have a careful. people. they really have a careful line to _ people. they really have a careful line to tread. they have to give reason — line to tread. they have to give reason to — line to tread. they have to give reason to get out there and vote and they dont— reason to get out there and vote and they don't want to sound complacent. i they don't want to sound complacent. i heard _ they don't want to sound complacent. i heard from _ they don't want to sound complacent. i heard from the shadow cabinet that they were sick with nerves. you can actually see that. do you think that's part of the reason why keir starmer appeared to be on the back foot? he tried to challenge some of rishi sunak�*s claims more rapidly than he had at some of these other events, but he did feel like he was the one crouching away a bit. you have to be _ the one crouching away a bit. you have to be on _ the one crouching away a bit. you have to be on the _ the one crouching away a bit. gm. have to be on the front foot and you have to be on the front foot and you have to be on the front foot and you have to lean forward. i have to be on the front foot and you have to lean forward.— have to lean forward. i think rishi sunak was — have to lean forward. i think rishi sunak was quite _ have to lean forward. i think rishi sunak was quite aggressive - have to lean forward. i think rishi sunak was quite aggressive and i sunak was quite aggressive and even more _ sunak was quite aggressive and even more so _ sunak was quite aggressive and even more so here. but maybe sir keir starmer— more so here. but maybe sir keir starmer is — more so here. but maybe sir keir starmer is thinking he needs to look my ministerial. a lot of people would — my ministerial. a lot of people would not _ my ministerial. a lot of people would not have liked the interruptions. maybe he felt that for him. — interruptions. maybe he felt that for him, it's fine to sit back a little — for him, it's fine to sit back a little bit _ for him, it's fine to sit back a little bit more, but he pushed back a little _ little bit more, but he pushed back a little bit — little bit more, but he pushed back a little bit more on the taxation accusations.— a little bit more on the taxation accusations. a ., . ,, , ., accusations. vicki young, thank you so much for — accusations. vicki young, thank you so much forjoining _ accusations. vicki young, thank you so much forjoining us _ accusations. vicki young, thank you so much forjoining us here - accusations. vicki young, thank you so much forjoining us here in - accusations. vicki young, thank you so much forjoining us here in the i so much forjoining us here in the boiling hot spin room. the temperature today was pretty hot. i'm sweating. temperature today was pretty hot. l'm sweating-— i'm sweating. laughter wow. i'm sweating. laughter wow- that _ i'm sweating. laughter wow. that is _ i'm sweating. laughter wow. that is it - i'm sweating. laughter wow. that is it for - i'm sweating. laughter | wow. that is it for tonight. i'm sweating. laughter - wow. that is it for tonight. seven days to go, a week tomorrow. the power is in your hands. irate days to go, a week tomorrow. the power is in your hands.— power is in your hands. we will be there with — power is in your hands. we will be there with you _ power is in your hands. we will be there with you on _ power is in your hands. we will be there with you on the _ power is in your hands. we will be there with you on the big night. i there with you on the big night. five until ten on the 4th ofjuly on bbc and head of the all exit poll. offering a first indication of who could be in number ten. we will guide you through the night in the early hours as all the results come in. . ., , . , early hours as all the results come in. join us as your decisions about our mp, in. join us as your decisions about your mp. your— in. join us as your decisions about your mp, your prime _ in. join us as your decisions about your mp, your prime minister- in. join us as your decisions about your mp, your prime minister and j your mp, your prime minister and your mp, your prime minister and your election come in. see you then. bye—bye. tonight at ten — we're live in nottingham where sir keir starmer and rishi sunak took part in a fiery and at times aggressive final leaders debate. the two men sparred on the betting controversy, immigration and tax and spend — both contenders on the attack. you stand here and say smash the gangs. like on any other issue you say one thing, you do another, you just don't know which keir starmer you are going to get. i've done this... i've done this issue... you can't trust him on this issue. do not surrender our borders to him. if you listened to people in the audience across the country more often you might not be quite so out of touch. applause passion. fingerjabbing. anger. interruption. scripted putdowns. a lively free flowing debate. the best bits are on the way. also on the programme tonight: constance marten and her partner mark gordon are found guilty of concealing the birth of their baby daughter — whose body was found last year after a nationwide search. the americanjournalist evan gershkovich goes on trial in russia accused of spying there. and limbering up at the euros — we'll have the latest on who england are going to face in their next match of the tournament. and stay with us here on bbc news for continuing coverage and analysis from our team of correspondents in the uk and around the world.

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