i made that promise to myself that every opportunity i would go back and pay my respects and honours those guys. as they left portsmouth, their modern day counterparts flew overhead in a royal air force transport plane and stood to attention, saluting on the deck of the aircraft carrier hms prince of wales, respect between the generations. john dennis has been back to normandy before but never to the british memorial. it was very emotional and i am afraid that will probably be a bit emotional when we get there, to see the actual thing. we will rememberthem. as the ferry approached the french coastline, the engine slowed and the veterans paid tribute. so, a short, poignant, but highly symbolic ceremony as the wreath was thrown over the side of the ferry. the idea is to pay tribute to those who died before even reaching the french shores and beaches they had come here to liberate. and so to france and two full days of ceremonies and commemorations for those who can tell the story of what happened here eight years ago first—hand. the number may be dwindling, but their commitment today, as it was then, remains immense. john maguire, bbc news, normandy. that is it from me. now on bbc news it is newscast recorded in the last hour. adam and the team unpacked the first tv debate of the general election campaign. adam fleming with newscast which can get everyday or sounds. sometimes more than once a day when there is a general election on. you're about to watch us to a live recording at the right podcast we we've assembled the family to chew over the first leaders debate of the uk general election. this was keir starmer versus rishi sunak, it was on itv, it was up in the northwest of england and we will chew over what we learn, what we didn't learn, whether both men would be happy with how they performed or whether they will have some niggles about how they performed on stage. we will have quite long days. we filled our notebooks with random scraps of observations from my fasting furious hour of television. as we get under way of this episode of newscast. newscast from the bbc.- way of this episode of newscast. newscast from the bbc. hello, adam and the studio. _ newscast from the bbc. hello, adam and the studio. and _ newscast from the bbc. hello, adam and the studio. and it _ newscast from the bbc. hello, adam and the studio. and it is _ newscast from the bbc. hello, adam and the studio. and it is dharshini - and the studio. and it is dharshini in the studio. _ and the studio. and it is dharshini in the studio. chris _ and the studio. and it is dharshini in the studio. chris in _ and the studio. and it is dharshini in the studio. chris in salford. - in the studio. chris in salford. alex and _ in the studio. chris in salford. alex and salford. _ in the studio. chris in salford. alex and salford. that's - in the studio. chris in salford. alex and salford. that's a - in the studio. chris in salford. - alex and salford. that's a surprise. i hotfooted it from the spin room. alex _ i hotfooted it from the spin room. alexjust— i hotfooted it from the spin room. alex just came _ i hotfooted it from the spin room. alexjust came in _ i hotfooted it from the spin room. alexjust came in for— i hotfooted it from the spin room. alex just came in for that - i hotfooted it from the spin room. alexjust came in for that i- i hotfooted it from the spin room. alexjust came in for that i hope l alexjust came in for that i hope you dfm't— alexjust came in for that i hope you don't mind me sharing. alex came in and _ you don't mind me sharing. alex came in and sat_ you don't mind me sharing. alex came in and sat down in her seat and very diligently— in and sat down in her seat and very diligently attempted to hang her coat on— diligently attempted to hang her coat on the back of the chair. after several _ coat on the back of the chair. after several attempts, which didn't end in success— several attempts, which didn't end in successjust threw several attempts, which didn't end in success just threw it on the floor~ — in success just threw it on the floor. is— in success 'ust threw it on the floor. , ., ,., floor. is that point in the night which means _ floor. is that point in the night which means i _ floor. is that point in the night which means i could _ floor. is that point in the night which means i could do - floor. is that point in the night which means i could do a time j floor. is that point in the night - which means i could do a time check for the past 25 to ii and we watch the itv debate. it was a bit like being in a washing machine rather than watching tv. it was very fast and furious. than watching tv. it was very fast and furiou— than watching tv. it was very fast and furious. was in a chris? it was personal. — and furious. was in a chris? it was personal. angry. _ and furious. was in a chris? it was personal, angry, aggressive, - and furious. was in a chris? it was personal, angry, aggressive, you i and furious. was in a chris? it was i personal, angry, aggressive, you get a real_ personal, angry, aggressive, you get a real sense _ personal, angry, aggressive, you get a real sense that the two men don't really— a real sense that the two men don't really like _ a real sense that the two men don't really like each other. i got the sense — really like each other. i got the sense that keir starmer appeared more _ sense that keir starmer appeared more nervous than rishi sunak. rishi sunak— more nervous than rishi sunak. rishi sunak appeared a bit more pumped, if you like. _ sunak appeared a bit more pumped, if you like, perhaps. that's been reflected — you like, perhaps. that's been reflected in some of the instants spin for— reflected in some of the instants spin for the conservatives are claiming _ spin for the conservatives are claiming that keir starmer looked like a _ claiming that keir starmer looked like a guy— claiming that keir starmer looked like a guy who was like a dot net deer_ like a guy who was like a dot net deer irr— like a guy who was like a dot net deer in headlights without labour are claiming desperate shouting and hectoring _ are claiming desperate shouting and hectoring for that when you step back from — hectoring for that when you step back from that and you look at it objectively, i think you can see... keir— objectively, i think you can see... keir starmer— objectively, i think you can see... keir starmer perhaps the nerves a bit, keir starmer perhaps the nerves a bit. there's— keir starmer perhaps the nerves a bit, there's more at stake for him. fearfui— bit, there's more at stake for him. fearful that — bit, there's more at stake for him. fearful that that big lead in the opinion— fearful that that big lead in the opinion polls might shrink. it hasn't — opinion polls might shrink. it hasn't in _ opinion polls might shrink. it hasn't in the first couple weeks of this campaign. for rishi sunak perspective you needs a game changer in this— perspective you needs a game changer in this campaign so far everything he's tried — in this campaign so far everything he's tried would appear as not work. he also— he's tried would appear as not work. he also needs to convince his own side, _ he also needs to convince his own side, marry— he also needs to convince his own side, many who are very nervous about— side, many who are very nervous about the — side, many who are very nervous about the prospect of losing seeds that he _ about the prospect of losing seeds that he still got fight in him. but there's— that he still got fight in him. but there's still something for the conservativesjust there's still something for the conservatives just got for. i suspect— conservatives just got for. i suspect it's still early days in terms — suspect it's still early days in terms of— suspect it's still early days in terms of whatsapp messages pinging around _ terms of whatsapp messages pinging around and all that kind of thing. i suspect— around and all that kind of thing. i suspect conservatives however laden about _ suspect conservatives however laden about the _ suspect conservatives however laden about the bigger picture will take some _ about the bigger picture will take some heart and the fact that rishi suhak_ some heart and the fact that rishi sunak appeared to have a bit of zip about— sunak appeared to have a bit of zip about him. — sunak appeared to have a bit of zip about him, a bit of energy about him and was— about him, a bit of energy about him and was willing to scrap and scrap some _ and was willing to scrap and scrap some more — and was willing to scrap and scrap some more-— and was willing to scrap and scrap some more. , ., ., ., ., some more. they were on air for an hour and ten _ some more. they were on air for an hour and ten minutes. _ some more. they were on air for an hour and ten minutes. will- some more. they were on air for an hour and ten minutes. will be - some more. they were on air for an j hour and ten minutes. will be doing this episode for last. they talked over each other all the time, we probably will. i did in episode of newscast this morning previewing this eventually some people that advise party leaders how to do things in the past and they say they are quite scripted. these guys are tightly drilled. what do you reckon from watching is the advice from advisers? i from watching is the advice from advisers? ~ ., , advisers? i think the absolute advice to rishi _ advisers? i think the absolute advice to rishi sunak- advisers? i think the absolute advice to rishi sunak was - advisers? i think the absolute advice to rishi sunak was go l advisers? i think the absolute i advice to rishi sunak was go out swinging — advice to rishi sunak was go out swinging i— advice to rishi sunak was go out swinging. i think— advice to rishi sunak was go out swinging. i think he _ advice to rishi sunak was go out swinging. i think he absolutely l advice to rishi sunak was go out. swinging. i think he absolutely did. exactly— swinging. i think he absolutely did. exactly as— swinging. i think he absolutely did. exactly as chris _ swinging. i think he absolutely did. exactly as chris said, _ swinging. i think he absolutely did. exactly as chris said, we _ swinging. i think he absolutely did. exactly as chris said, we knew - swinging. i think he absolutely did. exactly as chris said, we knew in l exactly as chris said, we knew in a strange _ exactly as chris said, we knew in a strange way— exactly as chris said, we knew in a strange way even _ exactly as chris said, we knew in a strange way even though - exactly as chris said, we knew in a strange way even though keir- exactly as chris said, we knew in a - strange way even though keir starmer has come _ strange way even though keir starmer has come to— strange way even though keir starmer has come to this — strange way even though keir starmer has come to this election _ strange way even though keir starmer has come to this election from - strange way even though keir starmer has come to this election from a - has come to this election from a point _ has come to this election from a point of— has come to this election from a point of a — has come to this election from a point of a position _ has come to this election from a point of a position and _ has come to this election from a point of a position and rishi - has come to this election from a . point of a position and rishi sunak from _ point of a position and rishi sunak from prime — point of a position and rishi sunak from prime minister, _ point of a position and rishi sunak from prime minister, in _ point of a position and rishi sunak from prime minister, in a - point of a position and rishi sunak from prime minister, in a strangel from prime minister, in a strange way it— from prime minister, in a strange way it feels— from prime minister, in a strange way it feels a _ from prime minister, in a strange way it feels a bit _ from prime minister, in a strange way it feels a bit like _ from prime minister, in a strange way it feels a bit like keir- from prime minister, in a strangej way it feels a bit like keir starmer -ot way it feels a bit like keir starmer got a _ way it feels a bit like keir starmer got a bit _ way it feels a bit like keir starmer got a bit more _ way it feels a bit like keir starmer got a bit more to— way it feels a bit like keir starmer got a bit more to lose _ way it feels a bit like keir starmer got a bit more to lose because - got a bit more to lose because of labour— got a bit more to lose because of labour is— got a bit more to lose because of labour is persistent _ got a bit more to lose because of labour is persistent position- got a bit more to lose because of labour is persistent position in. got a bit more to lose because ofl labour is persistent position in the bolls _ labour is persistent position in the bolls with— labour is persistent position in the polls. with all— labour is persistent position in the polls. with all their— labour is persistent position in the polls. with all their relative - polls. with all their relative pinches _ polls. with all their relative pinches of— polls. with all their relative pinches of salt. _ polls. with all their relative pinches of salt. for- polls. with all their relative pinches of salt. for rishi i polls. with all their relative - pinches of salt. for rishi sunak it was about— pinches of salt. for rishi sunak it was about go— pinches of salt. for rishi sunak it was about go out _ pinches of salt. for rishi sunak it was about go out and _ pinches of salt. for rishi sunak it was about go out and do - pinches of salt. for rishi sunak it was about go out and do what - was about go out and do what you can _ was about go out and do what you can and — was about go out and do what you can and bit— was about go out and do what you can. and bit the _ was about go out and do what you can. and bit the clear— was about go out and do what you can. and bit the clear advise - was about go out and do what you can. and bit the clear advise of. was about go out and do what you i can. and bit the clear advise of the messages, — can. and bit the clear advise of the messages, i— can. and bit the clear advise of the messages, i don't _ can. and bit the clear advise of the messages, idon't know— can. and bit the clear advise of the messages, idon't know if- can. and bit the clear advise of the messages, i don't know if you - can. and bit the clear advise of the i messages, i don't know if you missed it, messages, idon't know if you missed it. how— messages, idon't know if you missed it, how many— messages, i don't know if you missed it, how many times _ messages, i don't know if you missed it, how many times did _ messages, i don't know if you missed it, how many times did rishi - messages, i don't know if you missed it, how many times did rishi sunak. it, how many times did rishi sunak say that— it, how many times did rishi sunak say that labour _ it, how many times did rishi sunak say that labour was _ it, how many times did rishi sunak say that labour was going - it, how many times did rishi sunak say that labour was going to - it, how many times did rishi sunak say that labour was going to put. say that labour was going to put taxes _ say that labour was going to put taxes up — say that labour was going to put taxes up for— say that labour was going to put taxes up for that _ say that labour was going to put taxes up for that that _ say that labour was going to put taxes up for that that was - say that labour was going to put taxes up for that that was quite | taxes up for that that was quite clearly— taxes up for that that was quite clearly the _ taxes up for that that was quite clearly the line _ taxes up for that that was quite clearly the line he _ taxes up for that that was quite clearly the line he wanted - taxes up for that that was quite clearly the line he wanted to i taxes up for that that was quite i clearly the line he wanted to land, he said _ clearly the line he wanted to land, he said time — clearly the line he wanted to land, he said time and _ clearly the line he wanted to land, he said time and time _ clearly the line he wanted to land, he said time and time again. - clearly the line he wanted to land, he said time and time again. i- he said time and time again. i counted — he said time and time again. i counted 50 _ he said time and time again. i counted 50 minutes _ he said time and time again. i counted 50 minutes into - he said time and time again. i counted 50 minutes into thatl he said time and time again. i- counted 50 minutes into that debate before _ counted 50 minutes into that debate before keir— counted 50 minutes into that debate before keir starmer— counted 50 minutes into that debate before keir starmer said _ counted 50 minutes into that debate before keir starmer said that - counted 50 minutes into that debate before keir starmer said that this i before keir starmer said that this claim _ before keir starmer said that this claim that — before keir starmer said that this claim that taxes _ before keir starmer said that this claim that taxes were _ before keir starmer said that this claim that taxes were going - before keir starmer said that this claim that taxes were going up i claim that taxes were going up if labour— claim that taxes were going up if labour came _ claim that taxes were going up if labour came in— claim that taxes were going up if labour came in was _ claim that taxes were going up if labour came in was garbage. - claim that taxes were going up if. labour came in was garbage. it took him a _ labour came in was garbage. it took him a while — labour came in was garbage. it took him a while to— labour came in was garbage. it took him a while to shut _ labour came in was garbage. it took him a while to shut that _ labour came in was garbage. it took him a while to shut that down - labour came in was garbage. it took him a while to shut that down for. him a while to shut that down for the on _ him a while to shut that down for the on the — him a while to shut that down for the on the other— him a while to shut that down for the on the other side _ him a while to shut that down for the on the other side of- him a while to shut that down for the on the other side of it, - him a while to shut that down for the on the other side of it, the l the on the other side of it, the labour— the on the other side of it, the labour message _ the on the other side of it, the labour message that _ the on the other side of it, the labour message that they - the on the other side of it, the . labour message that they clearly want _ labour message that they clearly want to — labour message that they clearly want to land _ labour message that they clearly want to land was _ labour message that they clearly want to land was look— labour message that they clearly want to land was look at - 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