are representing, our politicians don't deserve to be treated like that. it is dangerous. doesn't matter what the substance is, it is the thought of what it might be. i agree, beat him through argument, not foolish — agree, beat him through argument, not foolish tactics.— not foolish tactics. what are we exectinu not foolish tactics. what are we expecting over— not foolish tactics. what are we expecting over the _ not foolish tactics. what are we expecting over the coming - not foolish tactics. what are we i expecting over the coming weeks? labour have got to stiffen up and show_ labour have got to stiffen up and show some clear messaging about what they will_ show some clear messaging about what they will actually do. they have to stay on _ they will actually do. they have to stay on this stance that the fiscal policy— stay on this stance that the fiscal policy won't change. they must come up policy won't change. they must come up with_ policy won't change. they must come up with some straightforward ideas. this is_ up with some straightforward ideas. this is what— up with some straightforward ideas. this is what we will do for you as a result— this is what we will do for you as a result of— this is what we will do for you as a result of winning the election. are ou sa in: result of winning the election. fife you saying you haven't result of winning the election. fie you saying you haven't got result of winning the election. file you saying you haven't got enough clarity from...? in you saying you haven't got enough clarity from. . . ?_ clarity from. . . ? in the rutherglen bar-election. _ clarity from. . . ? in the rutherglen bar-election. it — clarity from. . . ? in the rutherglen by-election, it went _ clarity from. . . ? in the rutherglen by-election, it went well - clarity from. . . ? in the rutherglen by-election, it went well in - by—election, it went well in scotland. people are sick of the deal they— scotland. people are sick of the deal they are finally get it but getting there is impossible. the labour policy on the nhs isjust tinkering impossible. the labour policy on the nhs is just tinkering while impossible. the labour policy on the nhs isjust tinkering while rome burns. where is the vision to really grapple with the reality. when it was decided it was for 50 million people, now it is 70 million people living longer, in a way where we get to the age where we need more treatment. how do we deal with the big picture? i don't think either side has an answer, and they don't for immigration and the economy. 0n for immigration and the economy. on that positive note, back to you! thank you. i am back tomorrow, see you then. live from london, this is bbc news. rishi sunak and circular, clash the nhs, and aggression and the cost of living in theirfirst nhs, and aggression and the cost of living in their first televised debate at head of the general election. —— integration. mark my words — labour will raise your taxes. it's in their dna. your work, your car, your pension... thank you, 0k... ..you name it, labour will tax it. this is a prime minister who has put up this is a prime minister who has put up tax _ this is a prime minister who has put up tax 26 _ this is a prime minister who has put up tax 26 times. in other news, major london hospitals are hit by a cyber attack, leading to cancelled operations and emergency patients being moved. tests have revealed a newborn baby discovered in an east london park earlier this year is the sister of two other children abandoned by the same parents. and we set sail with world war ii veterans as they prepare to mark the 80th anniversary of the d—day landing. and coming up later this hour on bbc news, you will see the episode of the bbc�*s daily news podcast newscast which we have just recorded, wrapping up all the drama from the campaign trail today. hello, iam kylie hello, i am kylie pentelow. welcome to bbc news. in the biggest set—piece event of the election so far, sir keir starmer and rishi sunak have gone head to head in the first leaders tv debate can go to salford now where our correspondent rajini vaidyanathan correspondent rajini vaidya nathan has correspondent rajini vaidyanathan has been closely follow the events. rajini. has been closely follow the events. ra'ini. , , ., ., , , rajini. the spin room is still buzzin: rajini. the spin room is still buzzing here, _ rajini. the spin room is still buzzing here, although - rajini. the spin room is still| buzzing here, although most rajini. the spin room is still. buzzing here, although most of rajini. the spin room is still - buzzing here, although most of the senior politicians who were here have now left. we saw senior conservatives and senior labour politicians all talking up their candidate �*s performance in the debate. a yougov poll also with a rating on that debate push rishi sunak slightly ahead in terms of his performance, according to that yougov poll. i'm joined by two journalists to find out what they made of the debate. hello. a lot of journalists tapping away, writing their headlines for the morning. what is your take on this? obviously there was a — what is your take on this? obviously there was a lot _ what is your take on this? obviously there was a lot of anticipation - what is your take on this? obviously there was a lot of anticipation as - there was a lot of anticipation as there was a lot of anticipation as the first— there was a lot of anticipation as the first head to head, and are not many had — the first head to head, and are not many had two heads, where both parties _ many had two heads, where both parties have signed up at the moment, _ parties have signed up at the moment, i think if you look at some of the _ moment, i think if you look at some of the snap— moment, i think if you look at some of the snap holding, yougov, 51—4090 rishi sunak. _ of the snap holding, yougov, 51—4090 rishi sunak, you can get a sense the tories _ rishi sunak, you can get a sense the tories are _ rishi sunak, you can get a sense the tories are very happy with the prime minister's _ tories are very happy with the prime minister's performance. partly because — minister's performance. partly because if you think about general intention— because if you think about general intention pulling of you can find in terms _ intention pulling of you can find in terms of— intention pulling of you can find in terms of how far the tories are behind, — terms of how far the tories are behind, the fact he managed to even .et behind, the fact he managed to even get slightly ahead of keir starmer probably— get slightly ahead of keir starmer probably eyes rishi sunak a little bit of— probably eyes rishi sunak a little bit of space after a really, really difficult — bit of space after a really, really difficult start to the week, with the return of nigel farage, and i think— the return of nigel farage, and i think that — the return of nigel farage, and i think that tax attack which the tories — think that tax attack which the tories landed, there is a sense even on the _ tories landed, there is a sense even on the labour side keir starmer was a bit stow— on the labour side keir starmer was a bit stow to — on the labour side keir starmer was a bit slow to and beat it down. gk, a bit slow to and beat it down. ok, the son a bit slow to and beat it down. ok the son readership is considered a key building block for both parties. what is your headline tomorrow on the polls? what is your headline tomorrow on the olls? , , the polls? basically, it is looking at niel the polls? basically, it is looking at nigel farage, _ the polls? basically, it is looking at nigel farage, this _ the polls? basically, it is looking at nigel farage, this afternoon, | the polls? basically, it is looking i at nigel farage, this afternoon, had that milkshake _ at nigel farage, this afternoon, had that milkshake thrown _ at nigel farage, this afternoon, had that milkshake thrown over - at nigel farage, this afternoon, had that milkshake thrown over him, . at nigel farage, this afternoon, hadl that milkshake thrown over him, but shake, _ that milkshake thrown over him, but shake, battered _ that milkshake thrown over him, but shake, battered and _ that milkshake thrown over him, but shake, battered and pulled - that milkshake thrown over him, but shake, battered and pulled is the - shake, battered and pulled is the headline, — shake, battered and pulled is the headline, and _ shake, battered and pulled is the headline, and it— shake, battered and pulled is the headline, and it is— shake, battered and pulled is the headline, and it is the _ shake, battered and pulled is the headline, and it is the tease - headline, and it is the tease between _ headline, and it is the tease between rishi _ headline, and it is the tease between rishi and _ headline, and it is the tease between rishi and keir- headline, and it is the tease between rishi and keir on. headline, and it is the tease . between rishi and keir on tax, landing — between rishi and keir on tax, landing time _ between rishi and keir on tax, landing time and _ between rishi and keir on tax, landing time and time - between rishi and keir on tax, landing time and time again. l between rishi and keir on tax, - landing time and time again. sunak is behimi— landing time and time again. sunak is behind on— landing time and time again. sunak is behind on the _ landing time and time again. sunak is behind on the polls— landing time and time again. sunak is behind on the polls and - landing time and time again. sunak is behind on the polls and has- landing time and time again. sunak is behind on the polls and has to i landing time and time again. sunakj is behind on the polls and has to go out there _ is behind on the polls and has to go out there and — is behind on the polls and has to go out there and make _ is behind on the polls and has to go out there and make some _ is behind on the polls and has to go . out there and make some think change and the _ out there and make some think change and the bulk_ out there and make some think change and the bulk of— out there and make some think change and the bulk of it _ out there and make some think change and the bulk of it shows _ out there and make some think change and the bulk of it shows the _ out there and make some think change and the bulk of it shows the viewers i and the bulk of it shows the viewers showed _ and the bulk of it shows the viewers showed the — and the bulk of it shows the viewers showed the pm _ and the bulk of it shows the viewers showed the pm won _ and the bulk of it shows the viewers showed the pm won the _ and the bulk of it shows the viewers showed the pm won the debate - showed the pm won the debate tonight — showed the pm won the debate toniaht. . , ., ,. tonight. katy, do you thing he really landed _ tonight. katy, do you thing he really landed blows? - tonight. katy, do you thing he really landed blows? when i tonight. katy, do you thing he | really landed blows? when you tonight. katy, do you thing he - really landed blows? when you watch both of them, it got quite aggressive? at times he heard julie etchingham saying, come it down, especially on immigration, neither of them could answer the questions, principally. of them could answer the questions, rinci all . ., ., principally. integration... keir starmer got — principally. integration... keir starmer got the _ principally. integration... keir starmer got the audience - principally. integration... keir starmer got the audience to l principally. integration... keir- starmer got the audience to laugh at rishi sunak —— immigration. both your— rishi sunak —— immigration. both your to _ rishi sunak —— immigration. both your to land — rishi sunak —— immigration. both your to land was not as aggressive they got— your to land was not as aggressive they got accused of disrupting the whole _ they got accused of disrupting the whole event. and i think that ultimately, perhaps the tories are little bit _ ultimately, perhaps the tories are little bit more pleased with that performance, but you take a step back_ performance, but you take a step back at _ performance, but you take a step back at the — performance, but you take a step back at the more general picture, labour— back at the more general picture, labour are — back at the more general picture, labour are still about when he points— labour are still about when he points ahead in all the polls, and i thick— points ahead in all the polls, and i thick you — points ahead in all the polls, and i thick you can question whether this is a game _ thick you can question whether this is a game changer enough of an event to reatiy— is a game changer enough of an event to really impact that. i do not think— to really impact that. i do not think it — to really impact that. i do not think it is _ to really impact that. i do not think it is clear it is at the moment _ think it is clear it is at the moment. i think that's why labour are fairly— moment. i think that's why labour are fairly relaxed even if people think— are fairly relaxed even if people think keir— are fairly relaxed even if people think keir starmer could have done a little bit _ think keir starmer could have done a little bit more in places. what think keir starmer could have done a little bit more in places.— little bit more in places. what is our take little bit more in places. what is your take on _ little bit more in places. what is your take on that? _ little bit more in places. what is your take on that? i _ little bit more in places. what is your take on that? i think - little bit more in places. what is your take on that? i think rishil your take on that? i think rishi sunak is running _ your take on that? i think rishi sunak is running out _ your take on that? i think rishi sunak is running out of time, l your take on that? i think rishi - sunak is running out of time, those bil sunak is running out of time, those big moments— sunak is running out of time, those big moments are _ sunak is running out of time, those big moments are few— sunak is running out of time, those big moments are few and _ sunak is running out of time, those big moments are few and far- sunak is running out of time, those . big moments are few and far between. you've _ big moments are few and far between. you've got— big moments are few and far between. you've got tonight, _ big moments are few and far between. you've got tonight, you _ big moments are few and far between. you've got tonight, you have _ big moments are few and far between. you've got tonight, you have another. you've got tonight, you have another ieaders _ you've got tonight, you have another ieaders debate, _ you've got tonight, you have another leaders debate, the _ you've got tonight, you have another leaders debate, the seven— you've got tonight, you have another leaders debate, the seven way- you've got tonight, you have anotherl leaders debate, the seven way debate on the _ leaders debate, the seven way debate oh the bbc_ leaders debate, the seven way debate on the bbc towards _ leaders debate, the seven way debate on the bbc towards the _ leaders debate, the seven way debate on the bbc towards the end _ leaders debate, the seven way debate on the bbc towards the end of- leaders debate, the seven way debate on the bbc towards the end of the - on the bbc towards the end of the week, _ on the bbc towards the end of the week, and the _ on the bbc towards the end of the week, and the manifesto, - on the bbc towards the end of the week, and the manifesto, he's- on the bbc towards the end of thei week, and the manifesto, he'sjust ruhhihg _ week, and the manifesto, he'sjust running out — week, and the manifesto, he'sjust running out of— week, and the manifesto, he'sjust running out of time, _ week, and the manifesto, he'sjust running out of time, only— week, and the manifesto, he'sjust running out of time, only four- week, and the manifesto, he'sjust i running out of time, only four weeks left. running out of time, only four weeks left he _ running out of time, only four weeks left he is _ running out of time, only four weeks left he is sore — running out of time, only four weeks left. he is sore don't— running out of time, only four weeks left. he is sore don't ask— running out of time, only four weeks left. he is sore don't ask so - running out of time, only four weeks left. he is sore don't ask so far- left. he is sore don't ask so far behind — left. he is sore don't ask so far behind in — it isa it is a damage limitation exercise for them — it is a damage limitation exercise for them i— it is a damage limitation exercise for them. i think— it is a damage limitation exercise for them. i think if— it is a damage limitation exercise for them. i think if they- it is a damage limitation exercise for them. i think if they can - it is a damage limitation exercise for them. i think if they can get l for them. i think if they can get 200 _ for them. i think if they can get 200 seats, _ for them. i think if they can get 200 seats, a _ for them. i think if they can get 200 seats, a job _ for them. i think if they can get 200 seats, a job well— for them. i think if they can get 200 seats, a job well done. - for them. i think if they can get 200 seats, a job well done. let for them. i think if they can get 200 seats, a job well done. 200 seats, a 'ob well done. let me ask ou 200 seats, a job well done. let me ask you about _ 200 seats, a job well done. let me ask you about some _ 200 seats, a job well done. let me ask you about some of _ 200 seats, a job well done. let me ask you about some of the - 200 seats, a job well done. let me i ask you about some of the questions, because at the end it was the audience that dictated what was on the agenda and that hour in ten minutes today. the nhs, the cost of living, big issues in this election campaign. also, international policy as well came up? campaign. also, international policy as well came op?— campaign. also, international policy as well came up? yeah, i thought the bi one as well came up? yeah, i thought the big one was — as well came up? yeah, i thought the big one was the _ as well came up? yeah, i thought the big one was the cost-of-living - big one was the cost—of—living crisis — big one was the cost—of—living crisis it— big one was the cost—of—living crisis. it always _ big one was the cost—of—living crisis. it always comes - big one was the cost—of—living crisis. it always comes up - big one was the cost—of—living crisis. it always comes up as i crisis. it always comes up as the number— crisis. it always comes up as the number one _ crisis. it always comes up as the number one feature _ crisis. it always comes up as the number one feature and - crisis. it always comes up as the number one feature and number one point _ number one feature and number one point for— number one feature and number one point for our— number one feature and number one point for our readers, _ number one feature and number one point for our readers, and _ number one feature and number one point for our readers, and paula - point for our readers, and paula from _ point for our readers, and paula from huddersfield _ point for our readers, and paula from huddersfield said - point for our readers, and paula from huddersfield said she - point for our readers, and paula from huddersfield said she hadl point for our readers, and paulal from huddersfield said she had a batch _ from huddersfield said she had a batch cook— from huddersfield said she had a batch cook and _ from huddersfield said she had a batch cook and weekends - from huddersfield said she had a batch cook and weekends jus