he said sort of cryptic things, migration is too high, yes, i think 700,000 were there it's too big, but today, for the first time in this campaign, he's been clear about a commitment to get the numbers down, which that is a different thing to saying i think it's too high, why? should the next general election be around that time, people like you and me will say you made a commitment in the last general election, how have you delivered against it? i also think it's significant because of the politics of it and the politics of it are pretty obvious and we should bill it out anyway. this is keir starmer, yet again, as he has every day since, though, it was a bit different at the start, he is trying to basically bash voters over the head with a message that he is moving the labour party way to the right of where it was in 2019 and 2017 general elections when their approach to immigration would've been quite different to this. that is the message here. we can see this is the message here. we can see this is something they wanted to highlight in particular because he's pulled out one of those old cues thatis pulled out one of those old cues that is like a big politician grabbing a megaphone and saying... "i really, really mean this," because he said read my lips. isn't read my lips famous because george bush senior said read my lips, no new taxes and no higher taxes and he lost the election to bill clinton as a result? it is, and often like political phrases they are so taken out of context and used in all sorts of different ways that they do the opposite to what they started off doing. or they are things that are used wrongly like us as couple of crotchety old uncles sat in the planes, talking about words like "decimate" yesterday, we should move on from that. what is interesting is the big headline is there, but very soon if you are watching or listening or one of the rival parties, you say by how much? and by how? when we spoke to yvette cooper this morning she just would not go anywhere near putting a number on it. we are not setting a target and the reason for that is partly because, to be honest, every time the conservatives have done this, frankly, they have ended up being totally overthe place, ripping it up and discrediting the whole thing. i am asking you. i understand, but to finish the point, but also from one year to another there are variations. for example, the pandemic meant that net migration figures fell, but the homes for ukraine visa rightly meant that the figures increased because of the war in ukraine. but people would like more clarity than just saying, "we will not set a number." maybe you might want to set a goal of a proportion to bring it down. the most recent figures say net migration was 685,000 people. when you say you want to bring it down, what do you mean? do you mean by one? by1,000, by100,000, 200,000? we want significant changes in place. what does that mean? we have seen the numbers unravel. one newscaster says, "i am not entirely convinced, but i was very impressed with yvette cooper not giving a number. the conservatives have hamstrung themselves for decades by having targets and numbers and it is nice to hear an approach moving away from this and more on work, the schools gap and migration. sorry, you were pushing fora number, laura." it is interesting because labour�*s plans are to try to get to a position where we don't need much more migration but how do they plan to do that? yvette cooper is right that the conservatives have tangled themselves in knots four years over the tens of thousands stat that david cameron initially set and theresa may, who was the home secretary for a long time, attempting to deliver that. clearly they are deciding strategically, tactically, not to have a number held over them. however, i think people in the conservative party who want immigration to come down, the problem for conservative governments was not the act of having a target, it was the fact they did not hit their target. labour will clearly have a looser target. net migration last year was 685,000. people are trending things down anyway. in that respect labour seem to have set themselves a target they will hit. they say they will do that by training more brits to fill the skills gaps. that is offset with later conversations you had with victoria atkins who talked about social care and staffing there. i was very struck that shami chakrabarti, a member ofjeremy corbyn�*s shadow cabinet, on the left of the party, was quite supportive of that approach. she said, yes, if this reduction in immigration is fuelled by upscaling, to use that awful word, she used it, by the way, then that is a good thing. it is very different for us older people, it is very different to the kind of language that labour used a while ago if you go back to the 2010 election. labour was sort of a bit panicked into suddenly saying more about immigration because for ages it was we don't talk about that because of movement under the eu. then there is this notion of british jobs for british workers and a lot of people on the left were saying you should not be using language like that. there was a classic keir starmer line on this and it is, "i will control our borders but i will make sure british businesses help to hire brits first." i thought that phrase is a classic keir starmer, "i am trying here to look to the left and the right and tell voters that i am on their side, not the left of my party." but he didn't say british jobs for british workers, although he did say crackdown on bad bosses. but he is trying in that phrase to keep both sides of the argument going. it is something that labour leaders wrestle with, notjust gordon brown. one of the things on the tombstone that ed miliband would have put in the garden of downing street was controlled immigration. they even put it on a mug famously and a lot of people then said it is no good ed miliband saying controls on immigration if people don't believe that he actually wants to control it in the way the voters labour at that point were losing wanted to. one thing that is interesting, where did keir starmer say read my lips? on the sun on sunday. and i know newspapers are not as powerful or influential as they used to be, their power and influence has been overstated anyway... often by themselves. by themselves and their most ardent critics. they do matter. i don't know if they do, but for those who think they do, if you are watching what is happening with the sun, which endorsed blair, having switched from the conservatives, they like to back a winner and they are giving keir starmer a fair wind, and i think watch out for that in a few weeks. even if you don't think the papers and what they do matter to you, there are big clues on what the parties and where the parties choose to take their electoral words and labour giving interviews and stories to the sun and to the telegraph, as they have done repeatedly in the last couple of years, is something very interesting. one of you on the other side of this argument, nick, says, "as voters we need something tangible to judge a party in terms of where we cast our vote." some of you listening did want there to be more of a clearer target, but louisa was saying, "i like this different approach where they are talking aboutjoining up the whole thing, problems in the british workforce." what was interesting to me is yvette cooper did not like sending asylum seekers, people who come here without permission, to other countries. labour we know have been very clear now that they don't like the rwanda scheme. but she did leave the door open to potentially in the future sending some asylum seekers to other countries for processing and i thought that was very interesting that she was happy to put that on the record. when you were asking yvette cooper about the other side of migration, we were talking before about legal migration, it made me realise it is barely into the general election campaign. when i was trying to work out on the morning of a couple of thursdays ago whether rishi sunak was about to call a general election, one of the rationales that so many conservatives came out with was if you have a general election before the rwanda flight takes off, as they hoped it would, although now they are saying it wouldn't, before july the 4th, that becomes a huge feature of the election campaign. who do you trust more to stop the boats? but i think it has barely featured at all partly because the conservatives have not talked about it and ijust wonder whether that will change. or whether both political parties have decided it doesn't necessarily move the target voters they are fighting over that much. i suddenly realised when you were talking to yvette cooper that this has barely featured. that is really interesting. it is really interesting and i wonder if newscasters have noticed if they have been reading things really carefully that there have been some challenges accepted by the courts to the legality around the rwanda scheme in the last few weeks. there has been reporting of that this morning and various cases that will be heard. labour does not like to say we are not doing this radical idea, they don't like to shout about that particularly, and the tories don't want to shout about it perhaps because of that. we will see what happens about it in the campaign. a spokesperson for the tory party said about keir starmer�*s plan, this is the man who called all immigration racist and voted against border control 139 times, referring to rwanda. this is an issue in scotland with different demographics in terms of population and needing people for the economy. alison thewliss from the snp said the programme is westminster�*s and not about migrants. the lib dems, as daisy cooper said this morning, the tories have failed on immigration. now, diane abbott. there is still a hangover of what has been a very nasty row. we talked about it a lot yesterday but there were interesting comments about it this morning. the most interesting comments were from shami chakrabarti. a close friend. and she seemed to imply that there is a genuine chance diane abbott now decides not to stand. i have spent a lot of the past week trying to work out what is going on here. clearly what blew the entire delicate dance up was the briefing to the times from whoever it was in the labour party and shami chakrabarti said she had had assurances it was not a licensed briefing. we should play the clip of how she described what happened because she was furious and gave us a very colourful description of what the blue seats have been up to. do you think she will stand again? i hope that she will now, after the sometimes sordid week of unauthorised, anonymous briefings by overgrown schoolboys in suits with their feet on the table and maybe watching too much west wing but not taking on more progressive values, and by the way i hope they remember it is country first, not faction first, i hope she will take some time to consider what she wants to do. that is literally what i have suggested to her as her friend and i hope that is what she is going to do. but people who were not behind the briefings but were saying they didn't think diane abbott was going to be a labour candidate, were saying she has told us that there is no shortage of people at the top of the labour party who believe that diane abbott had been given assurances, not under duress, because she has been an mp for a0 years and all of that, in fact she will be the longest serving labour mp if she wins in this general election, they believed they had got assurances from her that she didn't want to stand anyway. clearly, if that is the case, you can see why being told that she was being barred would inflame the situation and lead to, as it did, to her on the town hall steps saying, "i will stand." now she has been told to stand and in a slightly counterintuitive way it does appear she has been giving consideration not to. yvette cooper denied diane abbott had been offered a peerage and she gave that politician's answer, "i don't know anything about that. " it was a denial that she was not aware of it, but it was not ruling out that that conversation had happened. imagine mps might be offered inducements to do things by party leaders! i am not saying this happened in this case but that kind of thing does definitely go on. i had an interesting conversation yesterday. i tried to take the day off. in an election campaign? are you having a laugh? there i was sitting watching saturday kitchen and my phone rang, a tory mp i have known for many years. as you know, when you have contacts, mps, whatever, who you speak to over several years, you get to learn their general disposition, whether they are optimistic or pessimistic and who they like or don't like. this is a conservative mp i had spoken to maybe eight days before, they were adamant that rishi sunak would narrow the polls, that in their constituency people were not persuaded by keir starmer and so on. i will paraphrase it, they said, "henry, we are doomed." they said that they had had a realisation on the doorstep that day on saturday that, they said for two years every conservative mp has sat there thinking the polls will narrow at some point and then we are in business. they said, "i had this realisation, the polls are not going to narrow." they said if after this week's debate on tuesday between rishi sunak and keir starmer the polls do not begin to narrow, they said, "mark my words, conservative mps are going to panic." that is fascinating because somebody in tory hq said that to me. they said if nothing else shifts by the end of next week, quite soon, and i paraphrase, "people will start losing their marbles." because what we have seen in the last week the tories have chucked out more new policies than anyone else, and they should appeal to their base voters. national service got people talking, some of the guarantees on pensions targeted absolutely, exocet missile like at their core vote, and yet the polls have not budged. in fact, if they have budged in any direction over the overall average, they have nudged very gently in the direction of the labour party. however, what someone else close to the campaign said to me was they did feel relatively content about, although not punching the air, saying, "we are safe, it is fine," they did feel actually that they had been able to set some of the terms of the conversation, they had managed to grab voters' attention, which they felt for months they were not even listening, actually there is a chink that at least people might go, "oh, well, they have given us something to talk about, maybe we will take a little bit of a look." so it is interesting that mps are saying that on the doors and that conversation is mirrored by many others because mps have been in westminster a lot of the time and in their constituencies, but suddenly they are going around knocking on lots of doors, talking to hundreds of voters and i think there is that sense of coming back from the doorstep that actually it is feral for them at there. but it is still early, voters are still volatile and there are still huge numbers of people who don't know in the polling that comes across. there is only one poll that counts, it is the one when people put x in the box. again the tories were coming out with new policies today. victoria atkins on the show was promising more community health care, more pharmacies giving more treatments, and the two examples they picked were chest infections and acne. talking to people about acne might not get people dancing in their seats. it is the same people, "you canjoin up in the army and we can treat your acne whilst you are there." on both sides, yesterday there was a mock—up of angela rayner texting diane abbott saying, "don't worry, i will sort it, love, angela." and on the other side the tories faced a lot of labour and social media activity around young people being told they would have to do compulsory national service of one kind or another, whether it is voluntary. but this morning victoria atkins said there will be 100 new gp surgeries, they would expand the scheme which is called pharmacy first where you can get different kinds of treatment. the problem for the tories with this policy is it is a representation of the problem they will have across the board. as soon as you start digging into the numbers, which of course we did yesterday when we knew this announcement was coming, you look at what has happened in the years before and gps and surgeries have shut over a period of time and more than a hundred pharmacies had been cut over a particular period of time and funding had been cut over a particular period of time, so victoria atkins did not want to acknowledge this, but a lot of voters will look at their plans as they come out and essentially think they are unpicking their previous mistakes. with pharmacies we know that four out of five people are within a 20—minute walk of their nearest pharmacy and there is a much higher concentration of pharmacies in deprived areas, which means that we will be able to for these basic conditions be able to secure faster access to health care. but services have disappeared. if i may on the gp point, we have 2,711 more gps working in the nhs than even in 2019. the population is bigger. and we have seen record numbers working across primary care, some 39,000 staff. if you go to some of the gp practices i see on my travels as the health secretary, you will see they have not just gps, but they are supported by physios, by nurses, they are supported by paramedics, so there are different ways in which people can access primary care. this is the conservative challenge across the board. they are running on a record and they are running on a 1a—year record and the other parties simply don't have that. that applies also to another area where you questioned her, which was social care. you said, "where is your plan?" we have known this has been a huge issue for 1h years. victoria atkins said, "well, i think to be fair it goes back further than that." that is true, a big part of the 2010 general election was andy burnham, the then health secretary's plan, which the conservatives labelled as a death tax. yes, this all goes back a long way, but that is a harder argument to make when you have had 1a years to be the ones to fix it. and also when your own leaders have said they would fix it and they haven't. george osborne dropped it because it would cost £6 billion. imagine that now 1a years on a leader was told by the treasury it would cost £6 billion to fix this problem. they would probably bite your hand off and say, "fine, let's do it." back then in 2011, i am getting old, but george osborne in the treasury basically turned it down. but borisjohnson stood outside downing street and said to fix the nhs you have to fix social care and "i will do it". theresa may had her calamity in 2017. that was the real turning point in this country. they made a decision and they said, "we are going to win this election, let's get the public to endorse something that in different times might be unpalatable." and it collapsed their general election campaign. i am sure there are people in both party hos thinking in an ideal world whether we would put detail, complex, tricky plans on social care in there, but why would any party strategist do that after what happened to theresa may in 2017? anybody who works in a hospital or in the health service as a gp or even social workers, anybody would tell you this is something that is having huge problems, it has terrible impacts on families' lives and that goes around the uk because health is devolved. there are really profound problems in this country with how we care for our vulnerable and elderly. it is not simple for any politician, but it does look like we are going into a general election where nobody has got the guts to put forward anything very significant. in the last six months we have repeatedly asked wes streeting, and it has become a bit of a gag with him, every time he comes on the show, where is your social care plan? he says it is coming and it has not. i don't think it will be in the labour manifesto in any big way. yes, all the big parties have ideas to do with things around social care, buta kind of big bang, bold reform does not seem to be anywhere in sight. wes streeting today accused the tories of breaking their manifesto promise on gps. the lib dems' daisy cooper told us about the lib dems' plans for a billion a year for public health. where will the money come from? this particular pledge - will be funded by cracking down on tax avoidance. every political party always has that and the returns are not what they hoped for. we have a fully costed manifesto, - but the conservatives themselves say they could raise 6 billion from tax avoidance and the question arises why have they not done it already. i am going to get a big red button and every time somebody says "fully costed". .. every time somebody says "tax avoidance"... last weekend they came up with 6 billion in tax avoidance there are going to find at the back of the sofa at the hands of hmrc. but that was lib dems' daisy cooper on our show this morning. there has been a lot of news. one last thing to mention because we have done a lot about it on this programme and also on sunday mornings, you might remember really heartbreaking interviews that we have done with the families of people who have lost their children in relation to things that have happened on social media. one of the things bereaved families have campaigned on was for tech companies to have to hand over their kids' content, to show them and share their messages and photos after they had passed away. they had fought for that, the government had agreed to it, but that promise was dropped in the panic of trying to get legislation through when the election was called, the so—called "wash—up". we talked about it on newscast. this morning we asked if whichever party wins would they commit to bringing that in and fixing that? it had already been agreed and these families have campaigned for a long time and they were devastated it had not gone through parliament. labour's yvette cooper said they would do it right away. victoria atkins said, "if it was up to me, absolutely, yes, but you will have to wait and see the manifesto." i wanted to put that out there, it is an issue we have talked about it a lot. it is one of these things where it is not the kind of meat and drink of a general election, but that whole issue of what happens to kids when they are online is massive. we know it is massive, our inboxes are always full of these things. i wanted to share that. and i have spoken about this as well and they are the most powerful, eloquent causes because of what has happened to people and their children and they are the doughtiest campaigners and any government of whatever hue that tries to delay or obfuscate, they ain't going to win. the conservative government has learned that lesson and any government would learn that pretty fast. ian russell is publishing a manifesto tomorrow, the father of molly who took her own life after her experiences on social media, so maybe that will be something that we will talk about on tomorrow's newscast. lovely to be with everybody listening and watching on the sunday's newscast. goodbye. hello there. high pressure to the west of the uk has brought most areas a dry weekend. we did see more cloud, though, work into scotland and northern ireland through the day. at the same time, sunday saw much more in the way of sunshine for central and eastern england and lighter winds, too. that had a very significant impact in the temperatures. for some, it was seven degrees warmer on sunday than it had been on saturday. and the temperatures topped out at about 23 degrees in one or two spots as well. that was the scene in poole in dorset, with beach—goers enjoying the warm june sunshine, but cloudy skies worked in across stirling. now, overnight tonight, the cloud we've got in scotland and northern ireland — thick enough for occasional spots of rain — will push southwards. so overall it's going to be turning cloudier through the night, and given that, it's a milder night compared with last night — lows of between 10—13 degrees for most of us. tomorrow, well, we start off with cloudy skies for northern ireland, western parts of england, wales, with the cloud thick enough for an occasional spot of drizzle, maybe one or two mist and fog patches for coastal hills too. through the day, the cloud may well thin and break, particularly to the east of high ground, to allow some sunny spells through. and we should see some sunshine developing in scotland through the day, with just a few showers across the far north. where thejune sunshine comes out, temperatures high teens to low 20s. that should feel quite pleasant, but it will feel less pleasant as we head into tuesday and wednesday. low pressure to the north of the uk is going to be sending much colder air our way. and so with that, we'll see rain or showers across the northern half of the uk in particular. chilly winds here, and with the downpours working in, particularly for scotland, quite a few of these will have hail and thunder mixed in. a few showers developing further south. now, temperatures still doing ok across england and wales, but it's going to be turning quite chilly for scotland and northern ireland, particularly in those brisk and gusty winds. and it's a very similar—looking weather picture for wednesday — showers and thunderstorms, again, some with hail across the northern half of the uk, the driest weather across good parts of wales, the midlands, east anglia and southern counties of england. temperatures, high teens to low 20s will feel ok across england and wales, but still chilly for scotland and northern ireland with those brisk winds. and there's no great change in that weather pattern. it stays cool and showery for scotland and northern ireland, england and wales having the best of the dry and sunny weather. live from london. this is bbc news. veteran left—wing politician diane abbott says she intends to "run and win" as a labour candidate. leeds rhinos and great britain rugby league legend rob burrow has died after a years—long battle with motor neurone disease. south africa's ruling anc says it will talk to all parties about forming a coalition government after losing its majority for the first time in 30 years. and a chinese spacecraft has landed on the far side of the moon, in a landmark mission to retrieve rock and soil samples. hello, i'm anjana gadgil. the former great britain rugby league international, rob burrow, has died aged a1, after a five—year struggle with motor neurone disease. he made his private battle with his condition a public one by raising awareness of the crippling disease. the of the crippling disease. disease has no cure and 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