official documents also show government and nhs efforts to trace people who are most likely to have been infected were inadequate. our health editor hugh pym has this report. in the 20 years before 1990, up to 27,000 people had transfusions with blood that was contaminated with the virus hepatitis c. a quick diagnosis and treatment can save lives, but transfusion cases are still coming forward. the hep c trust says two newly diagnosed people call their helpline every month. there are people still out there that have the virus that haven't been picked up, up until now. and that's really quite shocking that there's people walking around, having had blood transfusions many years ago that have never actually had any treatment for the hep c and had they had treatment for the hep c, their prognosis would be hugely different. maureen passed away in february with liver cancer five months after she was diagnosed with hep c and 47 years after she had the blood transfusion that infected her. even though her medical records show she needed many blood transfusions in 1976 and had hep c symptoms since 2008, she wasn't tested for the virus. her daughter victoria is furious. why was there not a campaign on the tv? posters in the doctors? you know, why was mum not tested? because if mum would have been tested many, many years earlier, the outcome would have been very, very different and my mum would still have been with us. in 1995, the government announced a look back exercise but restricted funding for the process and didn't publicise it. despite saying they wanted to find victims in the mid �*90s, new evidence seen by the bbc shows that the government instead actively tried to limit public awareness of the hepatitis c virus, deciding not to speed up detection to avoid embarrassing bottlenecks that liver clinics. this internal note written by a government official says "raising awareness poses undoubted difficulties for the nhs." ahead of the inquiry�*s report the government says it will listen carefully to the community as this dreadful scandal is addressed. the failings for patients with infected blood transfusions will certainly form a large part of that report. hugh pym, bbc news. if you know, or even think, you might have had a blood transfusion in the 70s, 80 or 90s and have any concerns about your health then you can request a free nhs hepatitis c test online and details of where to go are on the screen now. four minutes past six, and charlie, there were gasps yesterday a couple of minutes ahead of prime minister's questions at midday because of a defection from the conservatives to the labour party, and the fallout and the scrutiny of it has not stopped. yes, it was a move it is fair to say no one was expecting. sir keir starmer is facing a backlash from some of his mps for allowing natalie elphicke to join the labour party. the dover mp defected from the conservatives yesterday. 0ur chief political correspondent henry zeffman is in westminster. good morning, henry. so, give this some kind of context for us because this does happen occasionally. this felt like a slightly different from normal, may be a more unexpected than usual. normal, may be a more unexpected than usual-— than usual. morning, charlie. iwas in the press — than usual. morning, charlie. iwas in the press gallery _ than usual. morning, charlie. iwas in the press gallery of— than usual. morning, charlie. iwas in the press gallery of the - than usual. morning, charlie. iwas in the press gallery of the house i than usual. morning, charlie. iwas in the press gallery of the house of commons ready for pmqs yesterday when i saw those costs that naga referred to ripple around the house of commons, because it was a complete shock to see natalie elphicke, the mp from dover since 2019, take up a seat on the labour benches. she is not on the left of the conservative party, she wasn't, i should say, on the left of the conservative party. most people thought she was on the right of the conservative party. as mps were leaving prime minister's questions, conservative mps were coming up to me saying, i'm much more left—wing than her, i am shocked that she has joined the labour party. from the point of view of the labour party, sir keir starmer is jubilant. point of view of the labour party, sir keir starmer isjubilant. he has an opportunity to say to rishi sunak, taunt rishi sunak with the fact that the mp from dover on the front line of the short boats —— chris moore boats issue has declared that she thinks sir keir starmer is better able to tackle what she sees is that problem than rishi sunak. that is a publicity gift that the labour leader felt he could not turn down. that is not to say that the defection is without convocations for labour. some labour mps are bemused that an mp on the right of the conservative party could join the conservative party could join the labour party, they find that very strange indeed. there are questions about the circumstances in which she first got her seat, she took overfrom her which she first got her seat, she took over from her ex—husband charlie elphick who was convicted of sexual assault. so convocations for labour but —— complications for labour but —— complications for labour but —— complications for labour but this will deflate a conservative party where the mood was already very bleak. president biden says the us will not supply heavy weapons to israel that could be used in a major assault on rafah in southern gaza. america has already delayed a shipment of thousands of bombs to israel, the first time it's done so in a0 years, and is reviewing future deliveries. mr biden says munitions will only be sent that allow israel to defend itself. if they go into rafah, i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah, to deal with the cities, to deal with that problem. we're going to continue to make sure israel is secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks that came out of the middle east recently. but it's just wrong. efforts to clean up england's rivers, lakes and seas have been called poor by a key watchdog. the office for environmental protection, a statutory public body, says government targets to improve water quality will be missed by a "large margin." here's our environment correspondent, jonah fisher. the government has through the water framework directive, committed itself to improving the health of england's damaged rivers, lakes and coastal waters. at the moment, only 16% of them have a good ecological status and the target for 2027 of 77% looks a long way away. so what's going on? the office for environmental protection, the official watchdog, has been taking a closer look and has delivered a scathing verdict on the government's efforts to improve water quality. we found the legal framework to be basically sound, thankfully, but it's the way that it's being interpreted and implemented that is the issue. it is really being done poorly and that means that government is very unlikely to achieve its ambitions for our waters. in fact, it's very likely to miss by a large margin the targets it set for the quality of waters which were to be met by 2027. so there's some really serious issues here. the 0ep says the government's plans lack detail, commitment and adequate funding and that plans for polluted river basins are too generic. what we've seen over the last 25 years since the water framework directive was launched is that our rivers have really flatlined. we haven't made any strategic improvement to the condition of our rivers despite lots of new initiatives and small packages of funding. what we need to do is to take a much more fundamental approach and really change course if we want to deliver the kind of improvements that's going to give us resilience to climate change and restore biodiversity to our precious rivers and lakes. a government spokesperson said... the environment minister now has three months to respond jonah fisher, bbc news. three men in greater manchester have been arrested on suspicion of planning terrorism offences. officers carried out raids across bolton and wigan. the men, aged 35, 36 and 51, are in custody and are being questioned by detectives. the arrests are part of an ongoing investigation. russia's annual victory day military parade will take place in moscow's red square later this morning. the event marks victory over nazi germany, which cost the lives of around 27 million soviet citizens. in recent years, president putin has used the event to justify the invasion of ukraine. a landslide has forced work to stop at a wind farm site in shetland. the energy company sse confirmed the peat slip happened in an area of hillside on tuesday afternoon. no—one was injured, but an investigation is under way to assess the extent of the damage. student maintenance in england covers just over half of the minimum income a university student needs to live on, according to new research. the higher education policy institute says it leaves parents needing to pay out up to £14,000 a year. here's our education editor, branwen jeffreys. rent is the biggest living cost forstudents, but food, clothes, transport all add up too. this report calculates for the first time a minimum student income. and outside london, maintenance support covers just over half that, leaving parents trying to help and students struggling with the rising cost of living. the new research shows that the maintenance package has fallen, it only covers 55% of the current costs at university. so that's obviously significantly behind the minimum, that'sjust the minimum standards they need to live off. so that means that students are being left without enough funding to survive the higher education experience, let alone go on and thrive and gain the most from their time in higher education. this report says student living costs add up to a minimum of £366 a week, including rent. a family income of above £25,000 means parents are expected to contribute. this research says that could cost up to £14,000 a year. that's for a student getting the minimum loan in england unless the student earns some money themselves through part time work. depending on where you study in the uk, the loans or grants towards living costs are different. the same is true of what's expected of parents. but this report says wherever you look across the uk, there's a gap between the real costs and the support available. the report calls for an increase in maintenance to make the system fairer. in england, the government says it has increased support, giving most help to students from low income families. branwen jeffries, bbc news. security will be heightened in malmo tonight as the israeli eurovision act performs at the second semifinal. 0rganisers are expecting protests against irael�*s participation, amid concerns over the humanitarian cost of the war in gaza. 0ur arts correspondent david sillito reports. malmo, eurovision 2024 and the fans are here in force, but there's also a very visible police presence. it's a bit of a mixed vibe because obviously it's a high security presence. you're aware that there's sometimes more police than people in sequins. and with israel taking to the stage tonight, organisers are being extra vigilant. booing. this was the reaction to eden golan's rehearsalfrom parts of the eurovision audience. there's also been pressure on performers to boycott the event and police are expecting protests. we're expecting some demonstrations, of course, and voicing of opinions and the right to demonstrate is highly protected in the swedish constitution. so it's been a part of our planning work since the beginning. but on stage all efforts are being made to keep the event free of politics. ireland's bambie thug was told to remove some body writing with the word ceasefire and outside the venue, there's not quite the same atmosphere of previous years. there's definitely a wariness this year. last year in liverpool you'd see performers out and about amongst the crowds mingling, not this year. they're staying indoors as much as possible. and when they do go into the arena, it's under police escort. there is still plenty of the eurovision spirit, that open celebratory mix of daft, moving and joyful. but for an event that tries to avoid politics, this is a testing moment. david sillito, bbc news, malmo. there's nothing worse than feeling like you're missing out on a party, especially when that party is at buckingham palace. that's what happened to charity fundraiser tony hudgell as he got stuck in traffic on the motorway. his mum, paula, tweeted their disappointment at not being able to attend. and just as tony was about to go to bed they got this response on x from the palace. "sorry to hear this, tony! we were looking forward to seeing you too. fancy trying again another day? leave it with us." if the palace says, leave it with us, you have got to trust it. it will be rescheduled for another day. that must have been so and frustrating, what a day, it will have been a beautiful day yesterday with the sunshine but it will be reconvened. he with the sunshine but it will be reconvened.— with the sunshine but it will be reconvened. , , reconvened. he said sunshine, we have had a — reconvened. he said sunshine, we have had a lot _ reconvened. he said sunshine, we have had a lot of _ reconvened. he said sunshine, we have had a lot of it _ reconvened. he said sunshine, we have had a lot of it and _ reconvened. he said sunshine, we have had a lot of it and i _ reconvened. he said sunshine, we have had a lot of it and i think - reconvened. he said sunshine, we have had a lot of it and i think we | have had a lot of it and i think we are going to get more of it. look 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some outbreaks in the west over the coming hours but we should see the cloud thin in southern and eastern parts so brightening up. elsewhere misty conditions around the west, but a lot of dry weather to get the under way and some good spells, developing widely into the afternoon. maybe a shower in north—east england but that is it, most places dry and temperatures higher than yesterday, up to 20 degrees in parts of scotland, 23 further south. degrees in parts of scotland, 23 furthersouth. pollen degrees in parts of scotland, 23 further south. pollen levels a bit lower today. some high levels. of you and where you have got sunshine it will be strong. more of it in northern ireland. into tonight, more in the way of cloud and outbox of rain to come overnight in parts of scotland, particularly the north and west. most clear into friday, saturday is the best day of all this weekend, temperatures into the mid 20s but it will be changing on sunday. 20s but it will be changing on sunda . ~ , , sunday. we will 'ust en'oy it this week. a man who was injured in a sword attack in london last week has been describing how he felt after being attacked inside his home in hainault. henry de los rios polania has now left hospital after an operation to repair his right hand. he's been speaking to our special correspondent, lucy manning. i thought i was going to die, to be honest, i thought i was going to die leaving my wife and my child. um... we thought we were going to die that morning. it was only to, i believe a miracle happened in the room. ifeel so helpless, seeing my hand cut and looking around how to protect myself. all i see was pillows and teddy bears. there was nothing that i could use to stop him from attacking us. but i do believe that it was a miracle, what happened in that room. yeah, it was, its a nightmare, i can't... me and my family, i don't think we will be able to go back. we get flashbacks. i get flashbacks. you don't think you'll be able to go back to live there? i don't think so, i don't think so. it will feel unsafe for me or my family. if it's ok to ask, how is your daughter doing? she's just four, is she? i hope she doesn't remember anything, ijust hope so. but she did saw, the guy with the sword, and... and ijust pray and hope she doesn't get any memory for it. 0bviously, on that awful morning, daniel anjorin was killed as well. what are your thoughts for his family today? i feel so sorry for them. isaw him. when i got close to the ambulance, i saw him on the floor. yeah, it shouldn't happen. it shouldn't have happened. ifeel so sorry for their family and for everyone. who do you want to thank for the help that you received on that day? to this, i would say to everyone that came forward, starting with the paramedics to the police and to the medics, to the doctors and the nhs that they've done, they do a good job, a greatjob. and i want to thank god for keeping me alive. your sister said afterwards that she thought you were a hero. i do believe i'm a hero because i protected my family. i put my body to stop the blades and... and, yeah, i would do everything for my family. especially for my little one, she's my angel, she's my angel. 0ur our thanks to henry, just taking us through that sequence of events, clearly still very difficult for him to talk about. let's take a look at today's papers. today's guardian is leading with hundreds of scientists saying global temperatures will rise by at least 2.5 degrees celsius above pre—industrial levels, something it says will cause "catastrophic consequences for humanity and the planet". the telegraph's front page says eating ultra—processed meat is being linked to a greater risk of an early death. it says a harvard study found that the highest risks were associated with the most processed meats like sausages and ham which could lead to a 13% higher risk of death. and the mirror says king charles and prince harry were only two miles apart yesterday, but still did not see each other. the king was at the palace garden party, whilst the prince was at an invictus games event in st paul's cathedral. they say good things come in small packages. take a look at these. very small! these small but perfectly formed artworks are from the small is beautiful exhibition in milan. it's said to be the largest display in the world dedicated to miniature art and runs until september 22nd. it's almost, you need to see more context to understand just... that context to understand 'ust. .. that is a pencil — context to understand 'ust. .. that is a penciiiip * context to understand 'ust. .. that is a pencil tip on _ context to understand 'ust. .. that is a pencil tip on the _ context to understand just... tsisgt is a pencil tip on the right, the end of the pencil. so you can see how big or how small those penguin models are. {lin how big or how small those penguin models are-— models are. on the sub'ect of small art, models are. on the sub'ect of small at. maybe — models are. on 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tops. they are little works of art. i am an artist _ kept the tops. they are little works of art. i am an artist and _ kept the tops. they are little works of art. i am an artist and i - kept the tops. they are little works of art. i am an artist and i didn't i of art. i am an artist and i didn't know it. talking _ of art. i am an artist and i didn't know it. talking about _ of art. i am an artist and i didn't know it. talking about the - of art. i am an artist and i didn't. know it. talking about the artistic world, ludwig van beethoven, famous composer, he had a punch hunt for fish and wine, nothing wrong with that. —— he had a penchant forfish and wine. he lived near the danube and wine. he lived near the danube and at that time it was known to be very polluted. so scientists in harvard have got locks of his hair, confirmed as belonging to him, and examined it, and analyse it and found that the hair contains levels of lead, 95 times higher than usual. the consequence of this is that although that amount of lead would not have killed beethoven, it is likely to have caused illness which may have manifested as hearing lost. 0ne may have manifested as hearing lost. one of our most famous composers in the world of classical music could have been death. fiend the world of classical music could have been death.— have been death. and related to iolluted have been death. and related to polluted rivers? _ have been death. and related to polluted rivers? i— have been death. and related to polluted rivers? i don't- have been death. and related to polluted rivers? i don't think - have been death. and related to polluted rivers? i don't think he | polluted rivers? i don't think he was eating _ polluted rivers? i don't think he was eating tinned _ polluted rivers? i don't think he was eating tinned fish _ polluted rivers? i don't think he was eating tinned fish out - polluted rivers? i don't think he was eating tinned fish out of. polluted rivers? i don't think he | was eating tinned fish out of the river danube but he liked fish and wine, just a warning. we will be talking about rooted rivers later. everything ties together on this programme —— we will be talking about polluted rivers later. tide programme -- we will be talking about polluted rivers later. we are talkini about polluted rivers later. we are talking about _ about polluted rivers later. we are talking about interest _ about polluted rivers later. we are talking about interest rate - about polluted rivers later. we are talking about interest rate as - about polluted rivers later. we arej talking about interest rate as well, very relevant if you are a saver or in relation to mortgages because thatis in relation to mortgages because that is a decision dated a the bank of england. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. hello, good morning from bbc london. i'm victoria hollins. the met commissioner says police officers are responding to more crimes like burglaries and car thefts because they're responding to fewer mental health incidents. the 'right care, right person' approach was introduced six months ago, and means officers will only respond when there's a serious risk of harm. some charities have raised concerns vulnerable people could fall through the gap, but the commissioner says it's been a success. people in mental health crisis, getting the right people coming to support them. people with with health skills and experience from las and others. so that's fantastic. but from a policing perspective, we're not sending police officers in to criminalize people in mental health crisis. that's freeing up thousands of hours. so we've got sort of maybe 6,000 deployments we're not doing. we're attending more scenes of robberies. we're making more arrests of people for knives. hundreds of thousands of pounds in refunds have been issued to passengers in london due to so—called device clashes during the past year, data suggests. it happens when a passenger uses one device or card to touch in at the start of a journey but touches out using another. passenger watchdog london travelwatch branded the figures "startling". transport for london said it equates to less than 0.001% of its annual revenue collected via contactless pay as you go. children from some of london's primary and secondary schools have been putting their words to music — with the help of renowned composer alexis ffrench. working with the charity restore the music — the musician wants to bring music to some of the most underserved parts of the uk. deforestation is giving us less species of animals and plants that we will never find. it's cutting down our trees. what's been particularly beautiful |wasjust to have them articulate, j whether it be through words i or through song, how they feel about the world. a quick look at the cheap situation and good — a quick look at the cheap situation and good news _ a quick look at the cheap situation and good news-— a quick look at the cheap situation and good news. most lines running well and minor— and good news. most lines running well and minor delays _ and good news. most lines running well and minor delays on _ and good news. most lines running well and minor delays on the - well and minor delays on the northern line. now onto the weather with kawser. hello. good morning. high pressure remains in charge of our weather. and once again, lots of fine dry weather out there and some warm spells of sunshine, too. there'll be some early patches of mist and fog, soon clearing this morning, and some high cloud making the sunshine hazy in places. and during the afternoon, we may see a little fairweather cloud bubbling up, but plenty of sunshine as well. and temperatures climbing up to 21 to 23 celsius with those light winds. a fine evening to come too. 0vernight tonight, once more, we can see some patchy mist and fog forming. there will be some further cloud developing further towards the east as well. and temperatures around 11 to 1a celsius overnight. so another very mild night in store. looking ahead to friday and into the weekend, well, high pressure gradually slips further towards the east, but it will remain in charge. so staying largely fine and dry with some further spells of sunshine and quite warm conditions. but there is the chance we could see some scattered showers developing by sunday and becoming more unsettled as you look ahead to next week and a bit cooler as well. that's it. head to our website to find out more about the decision that means the london eye will now be permanent fixture on the south bank. i'll be back in half an hour. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. the latest decision on interest rates will be unveiled at midday by the bank of england. it's expected that it could remain unchanged at 5.25%. katy is here to tell us more. it's not about so much what they do but what they indicate they will do. yes, what the mood music is and any clues to what is coming up. yes, this is one of those decisions that might feel quite distant but has a real impact on many people's wallets. the base rate the bank of england sets, influences the interest rates lenders charge on loans and mortgages — and interest on savings. will it fall today? it looks unlikely — a case of 'don't hold your breath' — so mortgage rates may stay relatively high for the time being. the bank of england has been under pressure to reduce its base rate for some time now, in fact there have been hints from the bank's governor a cut could be on the way. but that rate hasn't budged since the committee that makes these decisions raised it to a 15 year high of 5.25% in august last year. that's despite the fact that inflation slowed again in march to 3.2% — though that is still a fair way off the bank's target of 2%. why's that significant? well, higher interest rates are in theory a tool to help push inflation down. around 1.6 million homeowners have fixed rate mortgage deals ending this year so they will be very keen to know if interest rates might come down. some lenders like barclays have started to reduce their interest rates in anticipation of a bank of england cut in the next few months, but others have raised them slightly. but many people are already paying hundreds of pounds more for their mortgages than they were last year. here's the bbc chief economics correspondent dharshini david. while some households are seeing the cost of living crunch ease, the 1.6 million who are remortgaging this year may still be in for a shock. it's been a scary three months. paul dey in felixstowe will see his rate more than double — a £200 rise in monthly repayments. i'm still going to have to make cutbacks. we're going to have to stop going out. to stop spending money. we do, we like to travel around and go to different cities and go shopping. that's part of our life, but we're going to have to cut that back. fixed rate mortgages are linked to expectations of future interest rates. the cost of a new two—year deal has edged up to nearly 6% recently the average five—year one to nearly 5.5%, as some in financial markets think that first cut from the nine members on the bank's rate setting panel may be delayed. yet many will have noticed prices are rising more slowly. inflation is coming down towards the bank of england's 2% target. however, rate setters need to see it stay down for the next year or two. and with wages climbing and spending still strong in some areas, despite higher borrowing costs, analysts think it may be the summer or even the autumn before we see that first cut. so even though no change is expected today, the statement the members of the rate panel release may contain clues as to whether those nine people are inching closer to a cut. even a hint they are could bring some relief for borrowers across the country looking for that new mortgage. darshini david, bbc news. a decision is due at midday on whether or not the base rate will come down the nude musings is it will stay the same at the moment —— the mood music. but as you said, it's important to look out for any signs on the wording or commentary around it that might give an indication of their thinking on the way ahead. thanks, katie. for the past year, former paralympian and amputee john mcfall is trying out space boots, as he takes part in the world's first study to see if someone with a disability can become an astronaut. 0ur science editor rebecca morelle has been to see how his training with the european space agency has been going. all right. questions? no questions. it's a key test for a trainee astronaut and not for the faint hearted or the claustrophobic. three, two, one. ignition and lift off. john mcfall is taking a spin in a giant centrifuge. it mimics the extreme gravity he'd experience heading up to space in a rocket and coming back down. if we experience 1g on earth and the forces that we're going to be experiencing today during launch, probably going up to about three and a half. so three and a half times the force of gravity. and then the final part of the familiarization today is seeing what it would feel like in a soyuz reentry. so simulating 6 gs or six times the force of gravity. john's an astronaut candidate with a difference. he's an amputee. he lost the lower part of his right leg in a motorcycle accident when he was a teenager. now he's working with the european space agency to see if someone with a disability can go to space. it wasm for us, a first time that we actually had an amputee in the centrifuge. in this setup, they're basically lying on their back in a sort of seated position on their back. so this influences the blood flow, also in the leg. and we were also curious to see how that would affect him. but it went really well. john's training at the european astronaut centre in cologne in germany. he uses a blade for running. exercise is vital in space to maintain muscle mass. we will start with 85. he's trying a special anti—gravity treadmill. it recreates the conditions on the international space station, in effect, making john lighter. but he's finding his blade isn't working as well. my body weight pushes that into the ground. it compresses the blade and then the blade springs back again, giving me a natural spring. even testing this at 80% of my body weight, i notice that it's already too stiff and that's because i'm lighter and putting less force into the blade. it's bending less and therefore giving me less spring back. so you might need something a bit bendier. something less stiff. yes, something a bit more flexible. if you wave, this is you. as for a scene from the camera of the rover. yeah. john's getting a virtual taste of a moon mission. his study will work out what needs adapting for a person with a physical disability. and there's a lot to think about. the spacesuits, any equipment, as well as the spacecraft itself. so you see, of course, the gravity plays a big role here. it takes a long time to come back. it's the first time any space agency has carried out a project like this. yeah, this is where you were just before. i think other space agencies were surprised. some of them are still surprised that we really want to go forward with it. but it's really our goal to study but also to make it happen. and i would really love to seejohn fly to space. this is a mockup part of the international space station. john's about half way through the project now. and let's go inside and take a look. but it's progressing well so far. it's not guaranteed that you will go to space. but does this make you want to do it? every time you go and get close to something that's more akin to operational, the hairs on the back of your neck stand up and you're like, "this is what it's about." so in answer to your question, absolutely, hugely excited about going to space. so what's in here, john? well, this is one of the crew quarters. john's training will continue and there are still many questions to be answered. so this is a sleeping bag. yeah. velcro? yeah, you get yourself in your sleeping bag and you actually velcro yourself to the wall so that you don't float around too much with when you're sleeping. but he set his sights high and he hopes to change perceptions about just who can become an astronaut. rebecca morrelle, bbc news, at the european astronaut centre in germany. and para—astronautjohn mcfall — who we've just seen in his training there — willjoin us on the sofa after half past eight. mike is here on the sofa at nearly a quarter to seven. the, mike is here on the sofa at nearly a quarter to seven.— quarter to seven. a big build-up. bii quarter to seven. a big build-up. big teams- _ quarter to seven. a big build-up. big teams- we — quarter to seven. a big build-up. big teams. we will _ quarter to seven. a big build-up. big teams. we will see _ quarter to seven. a big build-up. big teams. we will see a - quarter to seven. a big build-up. | big teams. we will see a potential future england _ big teams. we will see a potential future england captain _ big teams. we will see a potential future england captain at - big teams. we will see a potential| future england captain at wembley for the _ future england captain at wembley for the champions league final next month_ for the champions league final next month but— for the champions league final next month but the current one, harry kane, _ month but the current one, harry kane, missing out this was after jude bellingham's real madrid made it through and when harry kane was still on _ it through and when harry kane was still on the — it through and when harry kane was still on the pitch in the 85th minute, _ still on the pitch in the 85th minute, bayern munich were winning and they— minute, bayern munich were winning and they take off and it all went wrong _ and they take off and it all went wrong and jude bellingham celebrating instead. jude bellingham has made his first champions league final, but trophies still elude his england teammate harry kane. it was a night of drama in madrid. in a hostile bernabeu stadium, in the spanish capital, bayern munich, took a surprise lead, in the second half, against the run of play, and and looked to be heading to wembley until the 88th minute, when there was an unlikely hero, who turned the match on its head. stoke and newcastle fans will rememberjoselu who struggled to make an impact at those clubs but what the 34 year old, couldn't do on a wet wednesday in stoke, he made up for it, here, sending real madrid into the champions league so itsjude bellingham and his madrid mates heading for wembley. and not kane's bayern munich. i think we played a good game in ten minutes before the end we were 1—0 and in the final, with madrid, they always try to come back and in the end they made it, so of course we are extremely disappointed. aston villa have a mountain to climb in greece later as they try to overturn a two goal deficit against olympiakos. villa lost 4—2 at home in the first leg of the europa conference league semi—final last week. manager unai emery says they must learn from that and cope with the atmosphere the greek fans create for their team. of course it's going to be very difficult here away, because always with the atmosphere, supporting the home team couldn't be more difficult. here the supporters, they push a lot. helping them. the biggest challenge we are going to face this year playing in this semifinal. fiorentina await the winners in the final. a late penalty for the italians gave them a one—all draw at club bruges last night which was enough for a 4—3 aggregate win. no change among the leaders of the giro d'italia. britain's geraint thomas remains second overall going into stage six. stage five ended in a sprint finish in luca in tuscany with frenchman benjamin thomas claiming the first grand tour stage win of his career. it was also the first victory of the year for his cofidis team. the leaders finished in the main group alongside overall leader taday podacar. rory mcilroy has called for golf to follow the example of the northern ireland peace process. the world number two is playing at the pga event in north carolina later today and wants the organisation to come to a compromise with the saudi—backed liv tour. so i sort of liken it to like when northern ireland went through the peace process in the nineties and the good friday agreement, you know, neither side was happy. you know, catholics weren't happy, protestants weren't happy, but it brought peace. and then you just sort of learn to live with whatever has been negotiated. right? the olympic flame has landed on french soil amid tight security. and there was plenty for a packed crowd to appreciate in the french port of marseille. the flame arrived onboard a tall ship in the south of france after a 12—day trip from greece. the torch was brought to land by florent manaudou, france's 2012 olympic men's 50 metres freestyle swimming champion, it eventually found it's way to marseille—born rapperjul, he lit the cauldron in front of an ecstatic crowd who were then treated to a show from the patrouille de france display team. rather appropriate lighting the flame — rather appropriate lighting the flame there. rather reminiscent of his recent — flame there. rather reminiscent of his recent hit, 0, how beautiful. gives_ his recent hit, 0, how beautiful. gives you — his recent hit, 0, how beautiful. gives you a — his recent hit, 0, how beautiful. gives you a sense of what is to come. blue skies over marseille. very good. from blue skies to the thames in central london where i think there will definitely be blue skies. look at that. is that the sun refracting? can you see the star show? it refracting? can you see the star show? ., ., , we can celebrate how beautiful our rivers are but as part of the story we are talking about the problems with pollution but it illustrates why it matters so much because it is so beautiful and you look across there in the morning and it really matters that we keep these things. keep them beautiful and clean. essen keep them beautiful and clean. even 'ust to keep them beautiful and clean. even just to stand — keep them beautiful and clean. even just to stand there _ keep them beautiful and clean. even just to stand there is _ keep them beautiful and clean. even just to stand there is calming in the morning, and given what we have had recently, we all need that. will it be like that — had recently, we all need that. ll it be like that for a few days? had recently, we all need that. will it be like that for a few days? yes, | it be like that for a few days? yes, ou will. it be like that for a few days? yes, you will- a — it be like that for a few days? yes, you will- a dry _ it be like that for a few days? yes, you will. a dry spell _ it be like that for a few days? yes, you will. a dry spell for _ it be like that for a few days? yes, you will. a dry spell for all - it be like that for a few days? yes, you will. a dry spell for all of - it be like that for a few days? yes, you will. a dry spell for all of us continuing — you will. a dry spell for all of us continuing at least into the start of the _ continuing at least into the start of the weekend and a bit of good news _ of the weekend and a bit of good news in — of the weekend and a bit of good news in amongst what has been a lot of forecast _ news in amongst what has been a lot of forecast containing rain and strong — of forecast containing rain and strong winds but over the next few days other — strong winds but over the next few days other than a bit of patchy rain here and _ days other than a bit of patchy rain here and there across northern scotland — here and there across northern scotland the rest of the next few days will— scotland the rest of the next few days will be dry and warm in the sunshine — days will be dry and warm in the sunshine and the morning is a little bit misty— sunshine and the morning is a little bit misty and one or two spots, so how warm — bit misty and one or two spots, so how warm will it get? temperature is set to— how warm will it get? temperature is set to peak— how warm will it get? temperature is set to peak before dropping away next week again and these are the sort of— next week again and these are the sort of temperatures we expect. quite — sort of temperatures we expect. quite widely around 22 to 25 over the weekend, well above where we should _ the weekend, well above where we should he _ the weekend, well above where we should be as the average is 12 or 16, so— should be as the average is 12 or 16, so we — should be as the average is 12 or 16, so we are talking about eight or nine celsius— 16, so we are talking about eight or nine celsius above normal for this stage _ nine celsius above normal for this stage in_ nine celsius above normal for this stage in may. it's because of high pressure — stage in may. it's because of high pressure in — stage in may. it's because of high pressure in charge at the moment dominated — pressure in charge at the moment dominated towards the south and east and that— dominated towards the south and east and that is— dominated towards the south and east and that is where we've seen the driest _ and that is where we've seen the driest weather bringing in slightly warmer— driest weather bringing in slightly warmer conditions through the weekend — warmer conditions through the weekend as it migrates east and you will notice _ weekend as it migrates east and you will notice the weather fronts across — will notice the weather fronts across the north where we have the rain in _ across the north where we have the rain in one — across the north where we have the rain in one batch is clearing away from _ rain in one batch is clearing away from eastern scotland then fine for the rest _ from eastern scotland then fine for the rest of — from eastern scotland then fine for the rest of the day and then cloud bringing _ the rest of the day and then cloud bringing outbreaks of rain in the north— bringing outbreaks of rain in the north and — bringing outbreaks of rain in the north and west of scotland and away from the _ north and west of scotland and away from the dry start, mist and fog patches — from the dry start, mist and fog patches on _ from the dry start, mist and fog patches on one or two continuing around _ patches on one or two continuing around coastal districts but the morning — around coastal districts but the morning cloud will break up sunshine will develop and temperatures climb higher— will develop and temperatures climb higher than yesterday peaking at about— higher than yesterday peaking at about 19 — higher than yesterday peaking at about 19 or 20 degrees in eastern scotland — about 19 or 20 degrees in eastern scotland and in the south—east and strong _ scotland and in the south—east and strong sunshine at this time of year~ _ strong sunshine at this time of year~ as— strong sunshine at this time of year. as we go into tonight once the sun disappears we could see a few mist and _ sun disappears we could see a few mist and fog patches but another batch _ mist and fog patches but another batch of — mist and fog patches but another batch of rain working across the far north _ batch of rain working across the far north and _ batch of rain working across the far north and clearing for some as we go into tomorrow and temperatures tonight— into tomorrow and temperatures tonight like we've seen through recent— tonight like we've seen through recent days between nine and 11 degrees — recent days between nine and 11 degrees. in two friday, and early rain across— degrees. in two friday, and early rain across shetland will clear and other— rain across shetland will clear and other than— rain across shetland will clear and other than that friday is looking like a _ other than that friday is looking like a dry— other than that friday is looking like a dry day for the vast majority _ like a dry day for the vast majority. the small chance as cloud bubbles _ majority. the small chance as cloud bubbles up — majority. the small chance as cloud bubbles up after a sunny start we will see _ bubbles up after a sunny start we will see an — bubbles up after a sunny start we will see an isolated light shower but for— will see an isolated light shower but for the vast majority will stay dry throughout and with wind is and strong _ dry throughout and with wind is and strong sunshine it will feel warm with temperatures continuing to climb. _ with temperatures continuing to climb. 22 — with temperatures continuing to climb, 22 degrees possible in the north-east — climb, 22 degrees possible in the north—east of scotland. into the weekend, — north—east of scotland. into the weekend, high pressure is nosing away— weekend, high pressure is nosing away to— weekend, high pressure is nosing away to the near continent and that will allow _ away to the near continent and that will allow things to change in the west. _ will allow things to change in the west. so— will allow things to change in the west, so saturday is certainly the better— west, so saturday is certainly the better of— west, so saturday is certainly the better of the two days and the vast majority _ better of the two days and the vast majority will be dry, long sunny spells _ majority will be dry, long sunny spells and — majority will be dry, long sunny spells and more sunshine for scotland _ spells and more sunshine for scotland and northern ireland but later in_ scotland and northern ireland but later in the day south—east scotland and northern england could see an isolated _ and northern england could see an isolated shop shower but look at the temperatures, by then, widely into the 20s— temperatures, by then, widely into the 20s -- — temperatures, by then, widely into the 20s —— shop shower. sunday should _ the 20s —— shop shower. sunday should start _ the 20s —— shop shower. sunday should start nicely for many but this is— should start nicely for many but this is where we see a few changes and showery rain develops across the west: _ and showery rain develops across the west, heavy, thundery showers develop — west, heavy, thundery showers develop and a bit hit or miss so it means— develop and a bit hit or miss so it means some of you will stay dry in the south — means some of you will stay dry in the south and east but here the highest — the south and east but here the highest of the temperatures between 24 and _ highest of the temperatures between 24 and 25, _ highest of the temperatures between 24 and 25, turning cool in the west but temperatures above normal. do you want _ but temperatures above normal. do you want to — but temperatures above normal. do you want to take a look at next weeks? — you want to take a look at next weeks? do you really? here we go, because _ weeks? do you really? here we go, because we — weeks? do you really? here we go, because we are back to normal. no! i can hear because we are back to normal. i can hear the big because we are back to normal. that i can hear the big screen is of no. there _ can hear the big screen is of no. there will— can hear the big screen is of no. there will be sunshine around and temperatures will be closer to where we should _ temperatures will be closer to where we should be for this stage of the year but — we should be for this stage of the year but with a bit of rain again. enjoy— year but with a bit of rain again. enjoy the — year but with a bit of rain again. enjoy the fine weather for now. careful what you wish for. sir keir starmer is facing a backlash from some of his mps for allowing natalie elphicke to join the labour party. the dover mp defected from the conservatives yesterday accusing the prime minister of "broken promises" and abandoning key pledges. we can speak now to anneliese dodds, who's chair of the labour party. good morning to you and thanks for your time with us. you are the chair of the labour party. when did you hear that natalie elphicke was joining the labour party and what was your immediate reaction? goad was your immediate reaction? good mornini , i was your immediate reaction? good morning, i probably _ was your immediate reaction? (ems. morning, i probably heard about it at the same time as everybody else as these announcements tend to be kept under wraps. i have to say my reaction was similar to my reaction when we had other conservative mps deciding to back the labour party and natalie elphicke is the third conservative mp who has decided to leave the failing conservative party and join labour and again natalie elphicke stating her reason was because the conservative party was divided, incompetentand because the conservative party was divided, incompetent and it simply could not deliver on the issues that were important to her, fundamental to that being housing where she was seeing the impact of the failure to build the homes britain need very much on her constituents in dover. what was your reaction? it much on her constituents in dover. what was your reaction?— much on her constituents in dover. what was your reaction? it was one of sa ini what was your reaction? it was one of saying here _ what was your reaction? it was one of saying here is — what was your reaction? it was one of saying here is another _ of saying here is another conservative mp.- of saying here is another conservative mp. , ., ., conservative mp. sorry, no, what does it mean _ conservative mp. sorry, no, what does it mean when _ conservative mp. sorry, no, what does it mean when someone - conservative mp. sorry, no, what does it mean when someone who j conservative mp. sorry, no, what. does it mean when someone who is criticised by members of your party for not being a labour fit, what was your reaction about natalie elphicke specifically as natalie elphicke, notjust specifically as natalie elphicke, not just a conservative specifically as natalie elphicke, notjust a conservative mp, but natalie elphicke? i notjust a conservative mp, but natalie elphicke?— notjust a conservative mp, but natalie elphicke? i was pleased to see she had _ natalie elphicke? i was pleased to see she had taken _ natalie elphicke? i was pleased to see she had taken the _ natalie elphicke? i was pleased to see she had taken the decision - natalie elphicke? i was pleased to see she had taken the decision i l see she had taken the decision i think she's done the right thing and she has put her constituents first, and she's put their concerns first. she is stepping down at the election? . . , she is stepping down at the election?— she is stepping down at the election? ,, , ., , , election? she has stated she is ste imi election? she has stated she is stepping down _ election? she has stated she is stepping down at _ election? she has stated she is stepping down at the _ election? she has stated she is stepping down at the next - election? she has stated she is i stepping down at the next general election, but until then she has been clear that she wants to serve her constituents and in the statement she released she talked about the fact that children are stuck in temper your accommodation in her constituency are in a dreadful situation —— temporary accommodation. we've had promises from the conservatives manifesto in 2019 and she referred to that, promises that have not been delivered and the people in dover as across the country are feeling the impact. d0 across the country are feeling the im-act. ,, ,, across the country are feeling the im-act. y., ,, ., ., impact. do you think natalie el-hicke impact. do you think natalie elphicke is — impact. do you think natalie elphicke is a _ impact. do you think natalie elphicke is a good, - impact. do you think natalie elphicke is a good, natural. impact. do you think natalie | elphicke is a good, natural fit impact. do you think natalie - elphicke is a good, natural fit for elphicke is a good, naturalfit for the labour party? i elphicke is a good, natural fit for the labour party?— the labour party? i think we are seeini the labour party? i think we are seeing many — the labour party? i think we are seeing many people, _ the labour party? i think we are seeing many people, natalie i the labour party? i think we are - seeing many people, natalie elphicke and many others... let’s seeing many people, natalie elphicke and many others. . ._ and many others... let's talk specifically — and many others... let's talk specifically about _ and many others... let's talk specifically about natalie - and many others... let's talk- specifically about natalie elphicke. is she a good, natural fit for the labour party? i is she a good, natural fit for the labour party?— is she a good, natural fit for the labour party? i believe she is. you can see that _ labour party? i believe she is. you can see that in _ labour party? i believe she is. you can see that in her— labour party? i believe she is. you can see that in her statement - labour party? i believe she is. you can see that in her statement that | can see that in her statement that what she has set out is fundamental to the labour party, making sure we have a country that is secure and making sure we are delivering on thoseissues making sure we are delivering on those issues of security and also making sure that we are delivering on housing as well. there will be many people watching this programme who will really understand what natalie elphicke was talking about in her statement when she said there had been much human impact from failure on housing policies from successive conservative governments that have not got britain building in the way they should. it's only labour that has a plan to do this. i kinda want to keep the interview focused because i think the audience needs to understand why i asked that question. i asked that question specifically about whether natalie elphicke is a good fit for the labour party because she supported liz truss in the 2022 tory leadership contest, and your party, the labour party, had been very clear when it comes to the opinions of liz truss and her management when she was prime minister. natalie elphicke has harshly criticised sir keir starmer�*s stance on immigration. shejoined the immigration. she joined the pro—brexit immigration. shejoined the pro—brexit european research group and reportedly criticised brexit for being soft on migration and untrustworthy when it comes to running the economy. so i ask, because she seem to have such opposing views to so many fundamental policies of the labour party, and yet you say now she is a good fit, a good naturalfit for the party. can you understand why that might be confusing or difficult to understand?— might be confusing or difficult to understand? ., , .. . ., understand? people can change their minds. as i said _ understand? people can change their minds. as i said before, _ understand? people can change their minds. as i said before, natalie - minds. as i said before, natalie elphicke is not the first conservative mp has taken this decision. you can have, i'm sure, previous criticism of the labour party from other conservative mps to take decision and of course they just like the many conservative voters, and indeed voters of other parties who have realised that those parties who have realised that those parties cannot deliver on the issues they care about, that they need instead to be backing a party that has a plan to deal with the cost of living crisis, to get public services back of their knees and to get them fit for the future. natalie elphicke has taken the same decision as so many other conservative porters —— supporters up and down the country and its right she has done so, because she is clearly putting her constituents in dover first. . , ., putting her constituents in dover first. . ,, , putting her constituents in dover first. . ., putting her constituents in dover first. . , ., ., first. have you spoken to other members _ first. have you spoken to other members of — first. have you spoken to other members of the _ first. have you spoken to other members of the labour - first. have you spoken to other members of the labour party, | first. have you spoken to other i members of the labour party, or prominent mps in the labour party? for example, looking at whatjess phillips has said, formerly of the shadow front bench, she says natalie elphicke has i was going to say something off—colour, but let's make no bones about it, some comments made about the case of sexual violence but against her husband to some are perceived as victim blaming, and i should say this is after her ex—husband was convicted of sexually assaulting two women. there does seem to be unhappiness amongst some labour mps about the warm welcome that natalie elphicke has been given, or simply the welcome into the labour party. this is an extremely _ welcome into the labour party. try 3 is an extremely serious subject and there was a judicial process around there was a judicial process around the sexual assaults, and absolutely rightly, it is fundamentally important that there is accountability for such crimes and there was a parliamentary process as well, including a parliamentary process that applied to natalie elphicke, and i think that is quite right that it has taken place. anneliese dodds, thank you very much for your time with us on breakfast. a 97—year—old veteran from lincolnshire has finally been recognised for the role she played during world war two in the women's auxiliary air force. evelyn hillier always thought she hadn't served for long enough to get a medal. but, almost eight decades later her family decided to investigate whether she was entitled to one. our reporterjake zuckerman has the story. well, it's a bit late! it is indeed, nearly 80 years late, to be exact. this is the war medal that 97 year old evelyn hillier never knew she was entitled to. evelyn volunteered for the women's auxiliary air force as a 17 year old in 1944. why did you choose the air force? because i liked the uniform! she served for three years working in the officer's mess where she got to know the fighter ace douglas bader, who famously flew spitfires despite having lost both his legs in a crash. he was very kind. they had the dances in the officer's mess. but he always sent the steward in to to the kitchen to buy us a drink. it wasn't until her family started looking into evelyn's past that they realised she'd missed out on a medal. the family thought it would be something nice for mum at her age if we could do some investigations as to whether she could get a medal. and my sister contacted the mod, and they they awarded her the 1939—45 war medal, which we then arranged for somebody very special to come and give it to her, which is the wing commander, nicola duncan from raf wittering. and this was the moment they surprised evelyn at her care home near stamford. where have you all come from? when i got demobbed, i didn't think i'd been in long enough to get a medal. so i never applied for it. it's important to have because people then know that i was in the air force. it may have been a long time coming, but now evelyn's wartime service has finally been properly recognised. jake zuckerman, bbc news. what a very special day it must have been. ~ , time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. hello, good morning from bbc london, i'm victoria hollins. the met commissioner says police officers are responding to more crimes like burglaries and car thefts because they're responding to fewer mental health incidents. the "right care, right person" approach was introduced six months ago and means officers will only respond when there's a serious risk of harm. some charities have raised concerns vulnerable people could fall through the gap but the commissioner says it's been a success. people in mental health crisis, getting the right people coming to support them. people with health skills and experience from las and others. so that's fantastic. but from a policing perspective, we're not sending police officers in to criminalise people in mental health crisis. that's freeing up thousands of hours. so we've got sort of maybe 6,000 deployments we're not doing. we're attending more scenes of robberies. we're making more arrests of people for knives. hundreds of thousands of pounds in refunds have been issued to passengers in london due to so—called device clashes during the past year, data suggests. it happens when a passenger uses one device or card to touch in at the start of a journey but touches out using another. passenger watchdog london travelwatch branded the figures "startling". transport for london said it equates to less than 0.001% of its annual revenue collected via contactless pay as you go. children from some of london's primary and secondary schools have been putting their words to music with the help of renowned composer alexis ffrench. working with the charity restore the music, the musician wants to bring music to some of the most under served parts of the uk. deforestation is giving us less species of animals and plants that we will never find. it's cutting down our trees. what's been particularly beautiful |wasjust to have them articulate, j whether it be through words or through song, how- they feel about the world. let's take a look at the tubes now — just minor delays in the northern line. now onto the weather with kawser. hello. good morning. high pressure remains in charge of our weather. and once again, lots of fine dry weather out there and some warm spells of sunshine, too. there'll be some early patches of mist and fog, soon clearing this morning, and some high cloud making the sunshine hazy in places. and during the afternoon, we may see a little fairweather cloud bubbling up, but plenty of sunshine as well. and temperatures climbing up to 21 to 23 celsius with those light winds. a fine evening to come too. overnight tonight, once more, we can see some patchy mist and fog forming. there will be some further cloud developing further towards the east as well. and temperatures around 11 to 14 celsius overnight. so another very mild night in store. looking ahead to friday and into the weekend, well, high pressure gradually slips further towards the east, but it will remain in charge. so staying largely fine and dry with some further spells of sunshine and quite warm conditions. but there is the chance we could see some scattered showers developing by sunday and becoming more unsettled as you look ahead to next week and a bit cooler as well. that's it — head to our website to find out more about the decision that means the london eye will now be permanent fixture on the south bank. i'll be back in half an hour. good morning, welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. our headlines today. new analysis shows more than 1,700 people in the uk could be living with undiagnosed hepatitis—c after receiving contaminated blood transfusions decades ago. there are people still out there that have the virus that haven't been picked up, up until now. and that's really quite shocking. a toddler from oxfordshire who was born deaf can now hear after a ground—breaking gene—therapy treatment. efforts to clean up england's rivers, lakes and seas have been criticised as "poor" by an environmental watchdog. in sport, heartbreak for harry, butjoy forjude as bellingham helps real madrid beat harry kane's bayern munich to reach the champions league final and so is heading to wembley. it might be a bit damp in parts of scotland this morning but more sunshine and warmth will build across the uk in the coming days, the full forecast here on breakfast. it's thursday 9th may. more than 1,700 people in the uk could be living with undiagnosed hepatitis—c after receiving contaminated blood transfusions decades ago according to analysis by the bbc. official documents also show government and nhs efforts to trace people, who are most likely to have been infected, were inadequate. our health editor, hugh pym has this report. in the 20 years before 1990, up to 27,000 people had transfusions with blood that was contaminated with the virus hepatitis c. a quick diagnosis and treatment can save lives, but transfusion cases are still coming forward. the hep c trust says two newly diagnosed people call their helpline every month. there are people still out there that have the virus that haven't been picked up, up until now. and that's really quite shocking that there's people walking around, having had blood transfusions many years ago that have never actually had any treatment for the hep c and had they had treatment for the hep c, their prognosis would be hugely different. maureen passed away in february with liver cancer five months after she was diagnosed with hep c and 47 years after she had the blood transfusion that infected her. even though her medical records show she needed many blood transfusions in 1976 and had hep c symptoms since 2008, she wasn't tested for the virus. her daughter victoria is furious. why was there not a campaign on the tv? posters in the doctors? you know, why was mum not tested? because if mum would have been tested many, many years earlier, the outcome would have been very, very different and my mum would still have been with us. in 1995, the government announced a look back exercise but restricted funding for the process and didn't publicise it. despite saying they wanted to find victims in the mid '90s, new evidence seen by the bbc shows that the government instead actively tried to limit public awareness of the hepatitis c virus, deciding not to speed up detection to avoid embarrassing bottlenecks in liver clinics. this internal note written by a government official says "raising awareness poses undoubted difficulties for the nhs." ahead of the inquiry�*s report the government says it will listen carefully to the community as this dreadful scandal is addressed. the failings for patients with infected blood transfusions will certainly form a large part of that report. hugh pym, bbc news. if you know, or even think, you might have had a blood transfusion in the 70s, 80 or 90s and have any concerns about your health then you can request a free nhs hepatitis c test online and details of where to go are on the screen now. four minutes past seven. charlie, good morning. the israel gaza conflict, there have been so many international efforts in terms of diplomacy and now reaction to the latest move by israel and benjamin netanyahu. yes, a focus on what the us will do in terms of supplying arms. president biden says the us will not supply heavy weapons to israel that could be used in a major assault on rafah in southern gaza. america has already delayed a shipment of thousands of bombs to israel, the first time it's done so in 40 years, and is reviewing future deliveries. mr biden says munitions will only be sent that allow israel to defend itself. if they go into rafah, i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah, to deal with the cities, to deal with that problem. we're going to continue to make sure israel is secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks that came out of the middle east recently. but it's just wrong. sir keir starmer is facing a backlash from some of his mps for allowing natalie elphicke to join the labour party. the dover mp defected from the conservatives yesterday. our chief political correspondent henry zeffman is in westminster. henry, you were the first hand witnessing that moment, because sometimes people like you hear about things in advance, don't they? this was a complete surprise? morning, charlie, was a complete surprise? morning, charlie. yes. _ was a complete surprise? morning, charlie. yes. it— was a complete surprise? morning, charlie, yes, it was _ was a complete surprise? morning, charlie, yes, it was a _ was a complete surprise? morning, charlie, yes, it was a complete - charlie, yes, it was a complete shock and i will be honest i was sitting in the press gallery in the house of commons perched above the speakers chair and i missed natalie elphicke move over to the labour benches and take a seat behind sir keir starmer but in my defence i did almost every conservative mp as well. —— so did almost every conservative mp. you could see these casts when it rippled through the chamber. —— you could hear the gasping. it was shocking because natalie elphicke is not a prime candidate for defection, she is on the right of the conservative party, a big supporter of borisjohnson and brexit although there are some interesting nuances on her ideology on housing and the economy and some issues. some people thought she might defect to the fledgling reform party stock but now she is in the labour party and that is a blow undoubtedly for rishi sunak because sir keir starmer can say that rishi sunak has promised to fix the small boats issue but now the mp for dover on the front line of the issue says that he, keir starmer, will be better at that than rishi sunak. however there is some unease, mostly private but in some cases public from labour mps who are uneasy about her ideology. they are also uneasy about some of the circumstances in which she became an mp, she succeeded her then husband charlie elphicke who was accused of and later convicted of sexual assault. all of those details still to be worked out in the wash but for the conservative party, a pretty bleak tale of their flattening morale. rishi sunak will meet university leaders at downing street later to discuss greater protection forjewish students. the prime minister has warned of an unacceptable rise in harassment and anti—semitism on some campuses, and will discuss this with vice—chancellors from leading establishments. this comes after the education secretary gillian keegan called for universities to crack down on anti—semitism. university students in england need to find at least £14,000 a year in order to top up a student maintenance loan to the equivalent of the national living wage. new research from the higher education policy institute suggests student finance covers just over half the minimum income needed to live on, and less for those studying in london. here's our education editor, branwen jeffreys. rent is the biggest living cost forstudents, but food, clothes, transport all add up too. this report calculates for the first time a minimum student income. and outside london, maintenance support covers just over half that, leaving parents trying to help and students struggling with the rising cost of living. the new research shows that the maintenance package has fallen, it only covers 55% of the current costs at university. so that's obviously significantly behind the minimum, that'sjust the minimum standards they need to live off. so that means that students are being left without enough funding to survive the higher education experience, let alone go on and thrive and gain the most from their time in higher education. this report says student living costs add up to a minimum of £366 a week, including rent. a family income of above £25,000 means parents are expected to contribute. this research says that could cost up to £14,000 a year. that's for a student getting the minimum loan in england unless the student earns some money themselves through part time work. depending on where you study in the uk, the loans or grants towards living costs are different. the same is true of what's expected of parents. but this report says wherever you look across the uk, there's a gap between the real costs and the support available. the report calls for an increase in maintenance to make the system fairer. in england, the government says it has increased support, giving most help to students from low income families. branwen jeffries, bbc news. let's ta ke let's take you straight to some images coming from moscow's red square this morning. this is the build—up to the victory day military parade. and we are in the early stages of the parade, the gathering there, it is a major event in the russian diary. we understand the parade will begin with marching troops, military hardware, may be a fly—past as well. last year the victory parades were cancelled in some cities because of security that this main event, those dramatic shots coming from red square this morning, it will be taking place as usual today. the victory parades have been scaled down since the war with ukraine began. we will keep an eye on those pictures this morning, this looks set to be a major event. three men in greater manchester have been arrested on suspicion of planning terrorism offences. officers carried out raids across bolton and wigan. the men, aged 35, 36 and 51, are in custody and are being questioned by detectives. the arrests are part of an ongoing investigation. a landslide has forced work to stop at a wind farm site in shetland. the energy company sse confirmed the peat slip happened in an area of hillside on tuesday afternoon. no one was injured, but an investigation is under way to assess the extent of the damage. this security will be heightened in malmo tonight as israel's eurovision act performs at the second semifinal. organisers are expecting protests against israel's participation, amid concerns over the humanitarian cost of the war in gaza. our arts correspondent, david sillito reports. malmo, eurovision 2024 and the fans are here in force, but there's also a very visible police presence. it's a bit of a mixed vibe because obviously it's a high security presence. you're aware that there's sometimes more police than people in sequins. and with israel taking to the stage tonight, organisers are being extra vigilant. booing. this was the reaction to eden golan's rehearsalfrom parts of the eurovision audience. there's also been pressure on performers to boycott the event and police are expecting protests. we're expecting some demonstrations, of course, and voicing of opinions and the right to demonstrate is highly protected in the swedish constitution. so it's been a part of our planning work since the beginning. but on stage all efforts are being made to keep the event free of politics. ireland's bambie thug was told to remove some body writing with the word ceasefire and outside the venue, there's not quite the same atmosphere of previous years. there's definitely a wariness this year. last year in liverpool you'd see performers out and about amongst the crowds mingling, not this year. they're staying indoors as much as possible. and when they do go into the arena, it's under police escort. there is still plenty of the eurovision spirit, that open celebratory mix of daft, moving and joyful. but for an event that tries to avoid politics, this is a testing moment. david sillito, bbc news, malmo. a song by the american indie band the killers has been named as the most successful top ten hit in uk history by the official charts company. mr brightside has spent more than 400 weeks in the top 100, and sold five and a half million copies. you might be very familiar with this, i think you have heard it loads, but that is why! this, i think you have heard it loads, but that is why! me this, i think you have heard it loads, but that is why! we didn't actually get _ loads, but that is why! we didn't actually get to — loads, but that is why! we didn't actually get to the _ loads, but that is why! we didn't actually get to the line, - loads, but that is why! we didn't actually get to the line, it - loads, but that is why! we didn't actually get to the line, it was i actually get to the line, it was missing. the indie—rock anthem has now overtaken the oasis ballad wonderwall to become the uk's biggest—selling single never to reach number one. that does sound like a pub quiz winning question, doesn't it? haste winning question, doesn't it? have ou winning question, doesn't it? have you clocked _ winning question, doesn't it? have you clocked it? _ winning question, doesn't it? have you clocked it? i— winning question, doesn't it? have you clocked it? i have _ winning question, doesn't it? have you clocked it? i have forgotten i winning question, doesn't it? have you clocked it? i have forgotten it| you clocked it? i have forgotten it alread . already. laughter the longest—running chart dwelling song never to have reached number one. . , ~ �* , one. and here he is, mr brightside! i miiht one. and here he is, mr brightside! i might have _ one. and here he is, mr brightside! i might have been _ one. and here he is, mr brightside! i might have been bouncing - one. and here he is, mr brightside! i might have been bouncing up- one. and here he is, mr brightside! i might have been bouncing up and| i might have been bouncing up and down on a dance floor that at a wedding this weekend. i say bouncing because i can't call it dancing. jumping makes you happy, jumping for joy- jumping makes you happy, jumping for joy. there is always someone, you get a sunny week, there is always one saying, it's not here.- one saying, it's not here. there is alwa s one saying, it's not here. there is always an — one saying, it's not here. there is always an exception. _ one saying, it's not here. there is always an exception. this - one saying, it's not here. there is always an exception. this is - one saying, it's not here. there is always an exception. this is in - always an exception. this is in western scotland. the western isles, looking bleak, outbreaks of rain and drizzle, quite misty. the low cloud is rolling in off the sea. parts of northern and western scotland have been pretty dry this month so we are just turning the tables a little bit. here we will see more sunshine over the next few days. today the rain and much of scotland will ease, western areas could stay damp but elsewhere dry and a reasonably sunny day after a fairly cloudy start. temperatures at the moment in the order of ten to 12, not cold out there and feeling warm already where you have got the sunshine. in scotland they have early rain, and it will continue across parts of argyll bute, northern and western highlands seems rain and drizzle through the day. misty around the coasts, some mist and the fog could linger through the day for one or two but inland to the outside chance of a shower in northern england but most places will be dry away from the far north and west of scotland and feeling pleasantly warm in the sunshine. if you suffer from hay fever, the tree pollen is still fairly high but these are the grass level pollen levels starting to creep up. and the sunshine is strong, we will see more of the blue sky developing over the weekend. tonight dry but rain pushing across the northern half of scotland, the odd mist and fog patch in the valleys into tomorrow morning but temperatures like today, tomorrow more sunshine around, even more on saturday but by sunday the sunshine will give way to a few showers and storms particularly in the west. efforts to clean up england's rivers, lakes and seas have been called 'poor�* by a key watchdog. the office for environmental protection, a statutory public body, says government targets to improve water quality will be missed by a "large margin." here's our environment correspondent, jonah fisher. the government has through the water framework directive, committed itself to improving the health of england's damaged rivers, lakes and coastal waters. at the moment, only 16% of them have a good ecological status and the target for 2027 of 77% looks a long way away. so what's going on? the office for environmental protection, the official watchdog, has been taking a closer look and has delivered a scathing verdict on the government's efforts to improve water quality. we found the legal framework to be basically sound, thankfully, but it's the way that it's being interpreted and implemented that is the issue. it is really being done poorly and that means that government is very unlikely to achieve its ambitions for our waters. in fact, it's very likely to miss by a large margin the targets it set for the quality of waters which were to be met by 2027. so there's some really serious issues here. the 0ep says the government's plans lack detail, commitment and adequate funding and that plans for polluted river basins are too generic. what we've seen over the last 25 years since the water framework directive was launched is that our rivers have really flatlined. we haven't made any strategic improvement to the condition of our rivers despite lots of new initiatives and small packages of funding. what we need to do is to take a much more fundamental approach and really change course if we want to deliver the kind of improvements that's going to give us resilience to climate change and restore biodiversity to our precious rivers and lakes. a government spokesperson said... jonah fisher, bbc news. joining us now is charles watson from river action uk. good from river action uk. morning to you. i guess in a way, good morning to you. i guess in a way, you are by the thames obviously, it sort of illustrates in a way, we have this report saying the problems, and then we see that image behind you, the river thames, and the problems they have there. why it is so important that we get these protections right.— why it is so important that we get these protections right. well, it is a beautiful day _ these protections right. well, it is a beautiful day here _ these protections right. well, it is a beautiful day here on _ these protections right. well, it is a beautiful day here on the - these protections right. well, it is. a beautiful day here on the thames but if you went for a swim, in this iconic river behind me, you would be doing it at your peril. we have been testing just a few miles upstream for the last three weeks, and e. coli levels, which is a deadly pathogen, are running at about ten times the levels they should be. so what we saw last weekend was a historic swimming race up in henley being cancelled, rowing activities in the thames have been shut down in many places. it is literally a human hazard to get in the river and that is unacceptable. i hazard to get in the river and that is unacceptable.— hazard to get in the river and that is unacceptable. i suppose in some sense, is unacceptable. i suppose in some sense. mr — is unacceptable. i suppose in some sense, mr watson, _ is unacceptable. i suppose in some sense, mr watson, what _ is unacceptable. i suppose in some sense, mr watson, what you - is unacceptable. i suppose in some sense, mr watson, what you are i sense, mr watson, what you are saying, it is good that we know more about the conditions of our rivers, but it has problems. i'm looking at these reports, these names will not mean much to four people, the embossed the —— because the office for environmental protection say that laws are not being effectively implemented and unless things change, most rivers and coastal waters are likely to remain in a poor state in the years ahead. that is an alarming warning signs about what is currently happening and how it is likely to end up. yes. what is currently happening and how it is likely to end up.— it is likely to end up. yes, it is a devastating _ it is likely to end up. yes, it is a devastating vote _ it is likely to end up. yes, it is a devastating vote of _ it is likely to end up. yes, it is a devastating vote of no - it is likely to end up. yes, it is a l devastating vote of no confidence it is likely to end up. yes, it is a - devastating vote of no confidence in the government's plans. we havejust heard statement from the government saying they have done more than anybody to clean up these rivers, it is simply not true. if you read these reports, point after point highlight how plans are not in place, how there is no effective timescale all credible timeline to implement these measures but most importantly, the single biggest takeout from this report is that we are not funding environmental protection. there needs to be a huge allocation of cash to clean up the rivers. we cannot keep cutting back on environmental protection, cutting the budgets of environmental protection agencies and allowing this to continue, it is a disgrace. we are the dirty man of europe. goad we are the dirty man of europe. good mornini , we are the dirty man of europe. good morning. this — we are the dirty man of europe. good morning. this is _ we are the dirty man of europe. good morning, this is naga _ we are the dirty man of europe. good morning, this is naga here. we did ask the government to give us statement and it said, this government, and i am picking up on what you said about it not been true, it said, this government has done more than any other to protect and restore our rivers and coastal waters with record levels of enforcement and investment. we welcome these reports and will consider the details. you say you need a cash injection but do you have a figure? when i hear e. coli levels are ten times what they should be on the thames, and we have got years of dirty rivers, that is going to take a lot of money, what is the figure, what does the government need to commit to to clean up our waterways?- government need to commit to to clean up our waterways? well, we have bodies _ clean up our waterways? well, we have bodies like _ clean up our waterways? well, we have bodies like the _ clean up our waterways? well, we have bodies like the environmentl have bodies like the environment agency in england, that is the body charged and responsible to protect the environment. the ea budget, over the environment. the ea budget, over the last 15 years, we believe, for environmental protection, has been cut to the tune of something like after inflation 75%. that means that monitoring of rivers has been scaled right back, inspections of polluters, going out, group —— boots on the ground to check up on the water companies and agriculture which is a huge polluter of our rivers, has been cut back. but most importantly enforcement has been cut back. so it is going after people are prosecuting them and putting in the place real deterrence so that pollution does not a huge expense. if you compare the amount of money as a country we have spent on fighting pandemics or saving the banking system, you name it, we are talking actually, relatively speaking, this is not a huge amount of money. but these budgets have just been slashed and cuts and it is unacceptable. to just been slashed and cuts and it is unacceptable-— unacceptable. to the environment a . en unacceptable. to the environment agency says _ unacceptable. to the environment agency says it _ unacceptable. to the environment agency says it has _ unacceptable. to the environment agency says it has directed - unacceptable. to the environment agency says it has directed more | agency says it has directed more than £14 billion of investment from the water industry alone for improvements. ijust tried to get an idea of the cost. we talk about the pandemic and the banking system, these things have affected the economy, this is about our health and treasuring our environment. how much? , , ., and treasuring our environment. how much? , ., , much? this is also the economy. if we do not — much? this is also the economy. if we do not have _ much? this is also the economy. if we do not have clean _ much? this is also the economy. if we do not have clean waters, - much? this is also the economy. if we do not have clean waters, the l we do not have clean waters, the cost to everything, i mean, freshwater is the source of nature, it is the source of so many things. we cannot put a price on it. if you look at the report, there are specific recommendations but it does require significant commitment. we cannot do this on the cheap. as a starting point, we must refund our environmental protection agencies so they can do theirjob and hold polluters to account.- they can do theirjob and hold polluters to account. charles watson from river action _ polluters to account. charles watson from river action uk, _ polluters to account. charles watson from river action uk, thank - polluters to account. charles watson from river action uk, thank you - polluters to account. charles watson from river action uk, thank you for. from river action uk, thank you for your time. opal was born deaf, but shortly before her first birthday she received a ground—breaking never been used before gene therapy. it means she can now hear unaided. six months on from the procedure and experts from cambridge's addenbrooke's hospital say there's huge potential for this new treatment. our health reporter, michelle roberts has the story. blows whistle. yay! 18—month—old opal is learning how fun making noise can be. yeah! she's the first person to get a new type of gene therapy treatment for an inherited deafness she was born with. her parentsjo and james say it was a really hard decision to make. it was really scary, but i think we'd been given a really unique opportunity with no real evidence that any harm or adverse effects was likely to come to her. and i think a lot of parents with, regardless of their difficulties their children face, to be given an opportunity to potentially make obstacles easier for her to overcome was a risk definitely worth taking. surgeons carried out opal�*s procedure just before her first birthday. the infusion replaces the faulty dna causing opal�*s genetic condition. a modified, harmless virus delivers a working copy of the otof gene. that treats the sound sensing cells in the inner ear or cochlear. the new gene means they can carry the signals they should. opal�*s operation went to plan. gene therapy in her right ear and a cochlear implant in her left. just a few weeks later, she could hear loud sounds. absolutely mind blowing. i was at work at the time and you messaged me to say what had gone on. and i'm not sure i believed it at the start. kept my phone up. i said it wasjust a fluke, she must have reacted to something else. i got home from work and straight away, take the cochlear implant off, testing it out. banging from the bottom of the stairs. now she can even hear whispers in her gene therapy ear. that was 24 weeks post—surgery, and we heard the phrase "near normal hearing." she was turning to really soft sounds. yeah. they played us the sounds that she was turning to and were quite mind blown by how how soft it was, how quiet it was. they're sounds that i think in day to day life you might not even notice yourself, sort of thing. opal�*s part of an international study and experts hope the treatment could work for other types of profound hearing loss, too. this is a very specific gene for quite a rare type of hearing loss. so what i'm hoping is that we can start to use gene therapy in young children, restore hearing from a variety of different kinds of genetic hearing loss, and then have a more one and done type of approach where we actually restore the hearing. they don't have to have cochlear implants and other technologies that have to be replaced. big sister nora has the same rare gene as opal. for daddy? good girl! keys for daddy. more than half of hearing loss cases in children have genetic causes, so there's big potentialfor this new type of therapy. michelle roberts, bbc news. her life has been changed forever, and you can see the relief and the joy on her parents faces as well. just because she has a different future. �* ., ,, ., , ., future. and who knows where, what the have future. and who knows where, what they have done _ future. and who knows where, what they have done there, _ future. and who knows where, what they have done there, it _ future. and who knows where, what they have done there, it could - future. and who knows where, what they have done there, it could be i they have done there, it could be used in many other cases. that the ho -e. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. hello, good morning from bbc london. i'm victoria hollins. the met commissioner says police officers are responding to more crimes like burglaries and car thefts because they're responding to fewer mental health incidents. the 'right care, right person' approach was introduced six months ago, and means officers will only respond when there's a serious risk of harm. some charities have raised concerns vulnerable people could fall through the gap, but the commissioner says it's been a success. people in mental health crisis, getting the right people coming to support them. people with with health skills and experience from las and others. so that's fantastic. but from a policing perspective, we're not sending police officers in to criminalize people in mental health crisis. that's freeing up thousands of hours. so we've got sort of maybe 6,000 deployments we're not doing. we're attending more scenes of robberies. we're making more arrests of people for knives. hundreds of thousands of pounds in refunds have been issued to passengers in london due to so—called device clashes during the past year, data suggests. it happens when a passenger uses one device or card to touch in at the start of a journey but touches out using another. passenger watchdog london travelwatch branded the figures "startling". transport for london said it equates to less than 0.001% of its annual revenue collected via contactless pay as you go. children from some of london's primary and secondary schools have been putting their words to music — with the help of renowned composer alexis ffrench. working with the charity restore the music, the musician wants to bring music to some of the most under served parts of the uk. deforestation is giving us less species of animals and plants that we will never find. it's cutting down our trees. what's been particularly beautiful |wasjust to have them articulate, j whether it be through words or through song, how- they feel about the world. let's take a look at the tubes now. good news as all lines running ok, just minor delays on the northern line. now onto the weather with kawser. hello. good morning. high pressure remains in charge of our weather. and once again, lots of fine dry weather out there and some warm spells of sunshine, too. there'll be some early patches of mist and fog, soon clearing this morning, and some high cloud making the sunshine hazy in places. and during the afternoon, we may see a little fairweather cloud bubbling up, but plenty of sunshine as well. and temperatures climbing up to 21 to 23 celsius with those light winds. a fine evening to come too. overnight tonight, once more, we can see some patchy mist and fog forming. there will be some further cloud developing further towards the east as well. and temperatures around 11 to 14 celsius overnight. so another very mild night in store. looking ahead to friday and into the weekend, well, high pressure gradually slips further towards the east, but it will remain in charge. so staying largely fine and dry with some further spells of sunshine and quite warm conditions. but there is the chance we could see some scattered showers developing by sunday and becoming more unsettled as you look ahead to next week and a bit cooler as well. that's it — head to our website to find out more about the decision that means the london eye will now be permanent fixture on the south bank. i'll be back in half an hour. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty we've had a huge reaction to our special edition of yesterday's breakfast looking at online safety. we brought together 11 parents who all believe that social media played a part in the deaths of their children. they've written an open letter to rishi sunak and keir starmer urging them to make online safety a priority. our reporter tim muffett has been looking at the reaction to the discussion. good morning. welcome to breakfast withjon kay.... this was a powerful programme. for the next hour here on the programme, we're focusing on the online safety of children, at times distressing. our stories are public, but how many children are actually struggling with the mental health? how many children have been affected or self—harming? at times, inspiring. to have all these people on the couch, a club that we never want to be in, itjust pulls us all together. 11 parents of children whose deaths have been linked to social media. jay watched breakfast yesterday with his stepson, ethan. personally, i would like to say thank you for what they are doing to protect all the other families. it must be harrowing for what they have been through, but they're putting aside their grief in certain aspects but they're channelling it in such a way that they are protecting our children just as much as we are. and for that, we can't thank them enough. i was just going through a run of emotions like going through without the parents would have felt. fortunately, she's still quite savvy. another viewer, john, recently found out that his daughter had been exposed to content that promoted self—harm. i can see how it happens. i really can. now, i wouldn't have thought in a million years that my daughter would have added herself to one of those groups. you know, whether she did it intentionally or not, i wouldn't have thought that would have happened, but she did. well, the response to yesterday's programme was extraordinary. andy burrows works for the molly rose foundation, named in honor of molly russell, whose dad, ian, was on the sofa yesterday. the power by coming together to tell these stories we hope will produce change. we heard from parents right across the country who i think really empathized with the story of the bereaved parents and having so many families together in the same place resonated so powerfully, didn't it? well, what we've heard is so many parents who i think, you know, recognized, but, you know, really there but for the grace of god, you know, all of the parents on the sofa yesterday would never have imagined that their child would have come to harm in the way that they did, because of the role that social media plays. i think it's really clear that the companies will not clean up their act voluntarily. josh hendy took his own life in 2020. seeing all of the parents on the sofa was desperately sad. unfortunately, i know only too well how they feel, having lost somebody very close to me to suicide. the reality is, unfortunately, that those parents only represent a very small number of people. there are thousands of people up and down the country who have all lost somebody special to them because of social media and because of the harmful content that continues to be put on the internet. my hope is that all of us coming together as a collective will make our voice louder and encourage the government to act now. tim muffett, bbc news. we're joined now by carolyn bunting from internet matters — an organisation which gives parents and children advice on how to stay safe online. good morning. do you know what, i can only imagine that parents would absolutely sympathise, they would have watched yesterday and say, i get this. advising children on how to stay safe online and advising children how not to be online, those are really tricky things to approach, and children don't want to be left out. they do not want to be the ones who aren't accessing what all their friends are accessing. absolutely, and that is the challenge most parents face, that the peer pressure, as soon as one child gets a phone, they all want a phone, and it's really sometimes difficult for parents to hold out but we would definitely urge parents to do that. there are minimum ages on apps or a reason and ofcom shows more four and five—year—olds have smartphones and we don't think there's a need for children that age to have a smartphone at all so i would say to parents, be firm, most parents think the same way stick together to basically avoid as long as possible putting your children onto smartphones and social media. i was listening to a discussion about this yesterday and there was an idea that parents actually collaborate without discussing it with their children first, so when you get to that age when children are asking for a smartphone, they are in a group, ironically a whatsapp group and they say we are not going down that road, we will go for a simple phone, not a smartphone and we are not doing it till they are 14 and can we all agree the same thing. is this what it has come to? i can we all agree the same thing. is this what it has come to?— this what it has come to? i think it is comini this what it has come to? i think it is coming to _ this what it has come to? i think it is coming to stuff— this what it has come to? i think it is coming to stuff like _ this what it has come to? i think it is coming to stuff like that. - this what it has come to? i think it is coming to stuff like that. i - is coming to stuff like that. i think parents are collaborating where you have small friendship groups and you can do that but inevitably children will get on connected devices and it's really important that parents when they hand over the devices to their children hand them over in a way that they are set up as safely as they can be. they will never be 100% safe but there are certainly proactive things parents can do in terms of using parental controls on your broad band at home and privacy settings on social media, you know, you can try to create a more age—appropriate experience and not —— and minimise the risks your children might face. it’s -- and minimise the risks your children might face. it's charlie here. children might face. it's charlie here- when _ children might face. it's charlie here. when we _ children might face. it's charlie here. when we speak- children might face. it's charlie here. when we speak to - children might face. it's charlie - here. when we speak to someone, i think— here. when we speak to someone, i think it's _ here. when we speak to someone, i think it's interesting, you are chief— think it's interesting, you are chief executive and know all about this territory, but you are also a mum: _ this territory, but you are also a mum. as — this territory, but you are also a mum. as i — this territory, but you are also a mum, as i understand it, and i think it is often— mum, as i understand it, and i think it is often quite illustrative to know — it is often quite illustrative to know what do you do? i'm not sure where _ know what do you do? i'm not sure where i_ know what do you do? i'm not sure where i am — know what do you do? i'm not sure where i am talking to you, maybe you are at _ where i am talking to you, maybe you are at home _ where i am talking to you, maybe you are at home and maybe there is a teenager— are at home and maybe there is a teenager somewhere in the house. what _ teenager somewhere in the house. what happens in your house? i�*ve what happens in your house? i've obviousl what happens in your house? ia: obviously been in what happens in your house? i�*”e: obviously been in a slightly different position to most parents in that i've been doing this job for ten years so my children were five when i started the job and i've ten years so my children were five when i started thejob and i've had the privilege of being able to make sure that i know and am fully aware of what is going on online but they do have phones and tablets and they do have phones and tablets and they do have phones and tablets and they do have certain apps. i've held out as long as i possibly can on the social media apps because i know the risks that might come with them being on them certainly owned at the age of 13 —— under the age of 13. and we have rules about screen time, no screens at bed time and they have to be turned off and put away because that's one of the most important things is about children getting sleep, but the biggest thing i have done is make sure they understand the risks and that they know to come to me if something goes wrong and we can resolve it together, and i am nosy and inquisitive about what they do online and unfortunately until the regulation comes into play in 2025, thatis regulation comes into play in 2025, that is what parents have to do, be inquisitive and know what your kids are up to when they use their devices. ., . ._ , are up to when they use their devices. ., ., , ., _ ., , ,, devices. not always easy to be like that. no, but— devices. not always easy to be like that. no, but children _ devices. not always easy to be like that. no, but children are - devices. not always easy to be like that. no, but children are children| that. no, but children are children at the end of— that. no, but children are children at the end of the _ that. no, but children are children at the end of the day _ that. no, but children are children at the end of the day and - that. no, but children are children at the end of the day and they - at the end of the day and they respond to having rules and if the quid pro quo is if you want a mobile phone, then the balance of that is, i have the right to basically have a checkin i have the right to basically have a check in on you and see what you're doing and see who you are talking to and make sure that to the best i can make sure you are not coming to harm. ~ make sure you are not coming to harmr ., ,, .., make sure you are not coming to harm. . .., harm. we appreciate your time, carol n harm. we appreciate your time, carolyn bunting, _ harm. we appreciate your time, carolyn bunting, chief— harm. we appreciate your time, carolyn bunting, chief executive harm. we appreciate your time, i carolyn bunting, chief executive of internet _ carolyn bunting, chief executive of internet matters who look at practical way of handling a difficult issue. thank you. time to find out what _ difficult issue. thank you. time to find out what is _ difficult issue. thank you. time to find out what is happening - difficult issue. thank you. time to find out what is happening with i difficult issue. thank you. time to | find out what is happening with the sport. there will have been people watching real madrid and bayern munich yesterday, the two foreign teams, but actually they would have been thinking, well, there are brilliant england players. it been thinking, well, there are brilliant england players. it was a ireat brilliant england players. it was a great subplot- — brilliant england players. it was a great subplot. who _ brilliant england players. it was a great subplot. who is _ brilliant england players. it was a great subplot. who is your - brilliant england players. it was a i great subplot. who is your favourite en . land great subplot. who is your favourite england player? _ great subplot. who is your favourite england player? 0r— great subplot. who is your favourite england player? or the _ great subplot. who is your favourite england player? or the captain - england player? or the captain hurricane, orthe england player? or the captain hurricane, or the future captain on the other side, or do you go for your domestic teams? in a the other side, or do you go for your domestic teams?- the other side, or do you go for your domestic teams? in a few weeks' time they will — your domestic teams? in a few weeks' time they will be _ your domestic teams? in a few weeks' time they will be team-mates - your domestic teams? in a few weeks' time they will be team-mates in - your domestic teams? in a few weeks' time they will be team-mates in the l time they will be team—mates in the england _ time they will be team—mates in the england camp for the euros. hurricane _ england camp for the euros. hurricane must be wondering what he has to— hurricane must be wondering what he has to do— hurricane must be wondering what he has to do to _ hurricane must be wondering what he has to do to win a major trophy. —— hurricane — has to do to win a major trophy. —— hurricane he— has to do to win a major trophy. —— hurricane. he moved to bayern munich who had _ hurricane. he moved to bayern munich who had won _ hurricane. he moved to bayern munich who had won the german league title 11 who had won the german league title it years— who had won the german league title it years in_ who had won the german league title it years in a _ who had won the german league title 11 years in a row and they missed out this— 11 years in a row and they missed out this season. and now he won't be winning _ out this season. and now he won't be winning the _ out this season. and now he won't be winning the champions league either. a tough— winning the champions league either. a tough time for harry. so it's a potential future captain of england, jude bellingham who's heading to wembley, for his first champions league final, rather than the current one, as trophies still elude harry kane. on a night of drama in madrid, it was two late in madrid, it was two late goals from joselu, a 34 year old striker who failed to impress at stoke and newcastle, who gave real madrid, a 2—1win over bayern munich, and a place in the final, next month. our sports correspondent joe wilson was watching. jude bellingham is going to the final. harry kane isn't. that makes it sound simple. it wasn't. for 87 minutes, bayern munich's goalkeeper was impeccable, denying real madrid several times. in a goalless first half, kane also came close for bayern. very close. but it was his pass in the second that enabled bayern to break. it would still take something special to finish it from there. that's exactly what alphonso davies produced. oh my...! bayern still led until neuer inexplicably spilled and joselu, the substitute, pounced. he rescued the game for real, then he won it. injury time was a lesson in modern offside etiquette. joselu finished here, then was given offside, then var overruled. from replays to rejoicing. 2-1. still, injury time continued when bayern put the ball into the net. the flag had already gone up. play h stopped. adthat was that. their frustration simmered when the game finally ended. in short, it's another finalfor real madrid. joe wilson, bbc news. aston villa will need to cope with the greek noise and fiery atmosphere against olympiakos later, in the second leg of their europa conference league semi—final. remember, villa lost 4—2 at home, in the first leg, last week. villa boss unai emery admits his team have a mountain to climb in greece, later, as they try to overturn a two goal deficit. it will be difficult to come back, but for me, it is a really good moment to watch how we can react, and we have to try to be competitive like they were at home against us, improving some things we didn't do. oxford united are one step away from a return to the second tier of english football, for the first time this century after they beat peterborough in the league one play off semi final. peterborough had levelled the tie, but this penalty made it one—all on the night and 2—1 overall. oxford haven't been in the second tier, since 1999, and now have the chance to reach the championship, against bolton at wembley, a week on saturday. rory mcilroy has called for golf to follow the example of the northern ireland peace process. the world number two, is playing at the pga event in north carolina later today, and wants the organisation to come up with a compromise, with the saudi—backed, liv tour. then you just sort of learn to live with what has been negotiated. britain's geraint thomas, will be hoping some sea air can help him cut into the lead of his great rival, the leaders finished alongside the overall leader. and finally ipswich town's promotion parade may have been on monday, but the celebrations have reached a new high. you may remember, we showed you ed sheeran, calling the team from miami, to ask if they wanted to go out when he returned this week. well, of course they said yes and here they are, together, celebrating their promotion to the premier league. sheeran is a massive fan and sponsors the club, and is in his element here, playing his guitar and singing with the players. teaching them a new song which coast —— toast the manager ciaran mckenna. it won't be one of his biggest hits. it won't be one of his biggest hits. it really won't. but it won't be one of his biggest hits. it really won't.— it really won't. but it's one for the players — it really won't. but it's one for the players and _ it really won't. but it's one for the players and the _ it really won't. but it's one for the players and the fans - it really won't. but it's one for the players and the fans and l it really won't. but it's one for. the players and the fans and the ipswich faithful to sing. thei;r ipswich faithful to sing. they release that _ ipswich faithful to sing. they release that one, _ ipswich faithful to sing. they release that one, aird. - ipswich faithful to sing. they i release that one, aird. thanks, mike. release that one, aird. thanks, mike- the _ release that one, aird. thanks, mike. the thames _ release that one, aird. thanks, mike. the thames in _ release that one, aird. thanks, mike. the thames in central. release that one, aird. thanks, - mike. the thames in central london, rather artistic view, the city behind, nature is visiting us and enjoying the sunshine and just assign sign glimmering over the water. ~ . .., assign sign glimmering over the water. ., , . assign sign glimmering over the water. . , water. what can we expect? looking like a lovely — water. what can we expect? looking like a lovely start _ water. what can we expect? looking like a lovely start to _ water. what can we expect? looking like a lovely start to the _ water. what can we expect? looking like a lovely start to the day - water. what can we expect? looking like a lovely start to the day and - like a lovely start to the day and even the pigeons enjoying it. barely a breath of wind and you can't quite see the ripples on the thames but more to come in the next few days in fact and if we take a quick glimpse at what to expect this weekend across the uk, more in the way of sunshine and more in the way of warmth, particularly on saturday but it will be a weekend of change because through sunday there is the chance of showers and thunderstorms developing in one or two will stay dry but it will probably a case of saturday the best chance of getting out and making the most of it and it will be warm as well with temperatures this weekend peeking widely into the low if not mid 20s and we just picked out a few spots across the uk up to 22 and 25 degrees. how does it compare to where we should be? as much as 9 degrees above normal as we should be between 13 or 16, so a significant speu between 13 or 16, so a significant spell of warmth this weekend before we drop closer to the average temperatures next week. that's coming this weekend and hopefully will shape your plans but what about today? high pressure firmly in charge and that will dominate the next few days but still on the fringes of it's next few days but still on the fringes of its parts of scotland who had a weather front push across through the night bringing outbreaks of rain in one batch cleared from the east coast and it will stay misty and damp and drizzly across parts of argyll and bute in the western isles but away from that a few mist and fog patches in the west and some cloud in the sky but it will thin brick and more sunshine in the afternoon and accordingly the temperatures will continue to rise. not particularly cold at the moment but by the afternoon feeling warm and temperatures in eastern scotland will be 20 degrees and up to 23 celsius towards the south—east. this evening should be fine as well although through the night we will see more rain and drizzle pushing across northern scotland and the heavier bursts take us into the early hours on the odd mist and fog patch tomorrow morning in the valleys but temperatures will be like recent mornings for most in double figures as we start friday and for the vast majority even if we start with a rain in shetland it will clear through and a drier day across scotland and drier in the north and west and sunshine developing widely and a small chance of a shower brewing in england but the vast majority of the uk, and we are talking 99%, will stay dry on friday. mist and fog limit the temperatures across the eastern counties later but elsewhere temperatures are agreeable and above today and at the weekend, high—pressure moves away, so that is the transition i was telling you about that saturday should be a fine day for many with early morning mist and fog around and that will clear. the chance of a shower in south—east scotland and north—east england but feeling warm in the sunshine and warm across eastern areas on sunday before the showers and warm across eastern areas on sunday before the showers and thunderstorms developed. 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don't. i'll tell you when i go off. did you embarrass _ don't. i'll tell you when i go off. did you embarrass yourself? i l don't. i'll tell you when i go off. l did you embarrass yourself? i felt like i did did you embarrass yourself? i felt like i did but— did you embarrass yourself? i felt like i did but i — did you embarrass yourself? i felt like i did but i was _ did you embarrass yourself? i felt like i did but i was one _ did you embarrass yourself? i felt like i did but i was one of - did you embarrass yourself? i felt like i did but i was one of the rare matches— like i did but i was one of the rare matches that we won, against everton and ghana _ matches that we won, against everton and ghana show was having a world e and ghana show was having a world e and i_ and ghana show was having a world e and i was _ and ghana show was having a world e and i was invited into that direction _ and i was invited into that direction —— directors box —— garnacho. _ direction —— directors box —— garnacho, and i saw gary oldman and i garnacho, and i saw gary oldman and i was _ garnacho, and i saw gary oldman and i was saying. — garnacho, and i saw gary oldman and i was saying, please introduce me to gary. _ i was saying, please introduce me to gary. and _ i was saying, please introduce me to gary. and he — i was saying, please introduce me to gary, and he introduced me to gary and he _ gary, and he introduced me to gary and he turned rows, and he goes is they're _ and he turned rows, and he goes is they're going to be a season three, and this— they're going to be a season three, and this is— they're going to be a season three, and this is insane, i thought and then— and this is insane, i thought and then i_ and this is insane, i thought and then i was— and this is insane, i thought and then i was invited into sir alex's lounge — then i was invited into sir alex's lounge and _ then i was invited into sir alex's lounge and he embraced me with this devilish— lounge and he embraced me with this devilish grin and looked at me and said. _ devilish grin and looked at me and said. this — devilish grin and looked at me and said. this is — devilish grin and looked at me and said, this is going to be —— is there — said, this is going to be —— is there going _ said, this is going to be —— is there going to be a season three? it was one _ there going to be a season three? it was one of— there going to be a season three? it was one of the most surreal and best experiences — was one of the most surreal and best experiences i've ever had.— experiences i've ever had. you've done a great _ experiences i've ever had. you've done a great job _ experiences i've ever had. you've done a great job of— experiences i've ever had. you've done a great job of promoting - experiences i've ever had. you've done a great job of promoting kin done a greatjob of promoting kin and name—dropping at the same time. i've embarrassed myself. you said i“ve embarrassed myself. you said about wanting to be a boxer when you are little. there is no shortage of violent action in kin. it is gritty, that's fair. it violent action in kin. it is gritty, that's fair-— that's fair. it is gritty, it's an extraordinary _ that's fair. it is gritty, it's an extraordinary piece - that's fair. it is gritty, it's an extraordinary piece of - that's fair. it is gritty, it's an i extraordinary piece of writing. peter— extraordinary piece of writing. peter mckenna i think is astonishing. he is able to develop characters. — astonishing. he is able to develop characters, layered characters, characters _ characters, layered characters, characters you can invest in and yes it's a _ characters you can invest in and yes it's a crime — characters you can invest in and yes it's a crime drama about these two families— it's a crime drama about these two families going head—to—head but there's— families going head—to—head but there's nothing gratuitous about it. it's there's nothing gratuitous about it. it's very— there's nothing gratuitous about it. it's very real, and that is why it fell in — it's very real, and that is why it fell in love _ it's very real, and that is why it fell in love with it when i was sent the script— fell in love with it when i was sent the script and maybe that's why the british— the script and maybe that's why the british people, the wonderful british— british people, the wonderful british people, the wonderful british people have embraced it into their hearts and homes. god knows how many— their hearts and homes. god knows how many times it was downloaded on iplayer— how many times it was downloaded on iplayer because there are so many people _ iplayer because there are so many people that came over and now it is on netflix. — people that came over and now it is on netflix, it is really humbling. how as— on netflix, it is really humbling. how as an — on netflix, it is really humbling. how as an actor do you calibrate the violence thing? it's a big talking point, violence on tv and film and you see the scripts, so how do you think for yourself whether that level is ok, whether you as a performer are comfortable? i think, it's not real. — performer are comfortable? i think, it's not real. is _ performer are comfortable? i think, it's not real, is it? _ performer are comfortable? i think, it's not real, is it? it's _ it's not real, is it? it's make—believe. it's telling a story and we _ make—believe. it's telling a story and we are — make—believe. it's telling a story and we are a nation of storytellers, and we are a nation of storytellers, a planet— and we are a nation of storytellers, a planet of— and we are a nation of storytellers, a planet of storytellers. and i think— a planet of storytellers. and i think that alone, if you are able to do it. _ think that alone, if you are able to do it. and — think that alone, if you are able to do it. and if— think that alone, if you are able to do it, and if there is nothing gratuitous about it serves the story. — gratuitous about it serves the story, then i think that is fine. i think— story, then i think that is fine. i think you — story, then i think that is fine. i think you can differentiate between reality_ think you can differentiate between reality and fiction and those who can't _ reality and fiction and those who can't don't — reality and fiction and those who can't don't need a tv series to convince — can't don't need a tv series to convince them otherwise. is it more fun doint convince them otherwise. is it more fun doing the _ convince them otherwise. is it more fun doing the silly _ convince them otherwise. is it more fun doing the silly violence - convince them otherwise. is it more fun doing the silly violence like - fun doing the silly violence like with jason statham? i’m fun doing the silly violence like with jason statham? i'm looking forward to that. _ with jason statham? i'm looking forward to that. what's - with jason statham? i'm looking forward to that. what's more i with jason statham? i'm looking i forward to that. what's more fun? i don't _ forward to that. what's more fun? i don't know — forward to that. what's more fun? i don't know i— forward to that. what's more fun? i don't know. i like it all to be honest— don't know. i like it all to be honest with you.— don't know. i like it all to be honest with you. you like all violence? — honest with you. you like all violence? no, _ honest with you. you like all violence? no, i— honest with you. you like all violence? no, i don't- honest with you. you like all violence? no, i don't like i honest with you. you like all - violence? no, i don't like violence. i like the filming _ violence? no, i don't like violence. i like the filming aspect. _ violence? no, i don't like violence. i like the filming aspect. i - violence? no, i don't like violence. i like the filming aspect. i was - i like the filming aspect. i was being cheeky. i was watching, and i hadn't seen kin, and because we knew you were coming i thought i would watch it and i am a bit wary of violent stuff but there are a lot of beards. ifound it hard violent stuff but there are a lot of beards. i found it hard to distinguish you all. what was to be a grooming process? i distinguish you all. what was to be a grooming process?— distinguish you all. what was to be a grooming process? i was the ugly one. a grooming process? i was the ugly one- charlie — a grooming process? i was the ugly one. charlie was _ a grooming process? i was the ugly one. charlie was the _ a grooming process? i was the ugly one. charlie was the good-lookingl one. charlie was the good—looking one _ one. charlie was the good-looking one. ., . y ., one. you will what? the ugly one? charlie was — one. you will what? the ugly one? charlie was the _ one. you will what? the ugly one? charlie was the good-looking - one. you will what? the ugly one? charlie was the good-looking one. | charlie was the good—looking one. you are right, there was a lot of beards — you are right, there was a lot of beards. " you are right, there was a lot of beards. . , ., ., ., you are right, there was a lot of beards. " , ., ., ., ., beards. are you required to have a beard? no. _ beards. are you required to have a beard? no. i— beards. are you required to have a beard? no, iwasn't. _ beards. are you required to have a beard? no, iwasn't. it— beards. are you required to have a beard? no, iwasn't. itjust- beards. are you required to have a beard? no, iwasn't. itjust so- beard? no, iwasn't. it 'ust so happen. fl beard? no, iwasn't. it 'ust so happen. when i beard? no, iwasn't. it 'ust so happen. when we h beard? no, iwasn't. it 'ust so happen. when we shot _ beard? no, iwasn't. itjust so| happen. when we shot season beard? no, iwasn't. itjust so- happen. when we shot season one it was in _ happen. when we shot season one it was in the _ happen. when we shot season one it was in the height of the pandemic and the _ was in the height of the pandemic and the height of lockdown and it was a _ and the height of lockdown and it was a whole new world and nobody was working _ was a whole new world and nobody was working in _ was a whole new world and nobody was working in my hair was so long i could _ working in my hair was so long i could put— working in my hair was so long i could put in— working in my hair was so long i could put in a ponytail and then the 'ob could put in a ponytail and then the job came _ could put in a ponytail and then the job came along which meant i could io job came along which meant i could go back— job came along which meant i could go back to — job came along which meant i could go back to ireland and see my family which _ go back to ireland and see my family which i'd _ go back to ireland and see my family which i'd never been able to do normally— which i'd never been able to do normally and ijust said, any chance i normally and ijust said, any chance i can— normally and ijust said, any chance i can keep _ normally and ijust said, any chance i can keep the man bun and they were like, i can keep the man bun and they were like. that's— i can keep the man bun and they were like. that's a _ i can keep the man bun and they were like, that's a good choice and didn't— like, that's a good choice and didn't say— like, that's a good choice and didn't say anything about the beard and here _ didn't say anything about the beard and here we are. it�*s didn't say anything about the beard and here we are.— and here we are. it's a very good beard. thank _ and here we are. it's a very good beard. thank you _ and here we are. it's a very good beard. thank you very _ and here we are. it's a very good beard. thank you very much, - and here we are. it's a very good beard. thank you very much, i i and here we are. it's a very good - beard. thank you very much, i didn't realise we'd — beard. thank you very much, i didn't realise we'd be _ beard. thank you very much, i didn't realise we'd be talking _ beard. thank you very much, i didn't realise we'd be talking about - beard. thank you very much, i didn't realise we'd be talking about my - realise we'd be talking about my beard _ realise we'd be talking about my heard so — realise we'd be talking about my beard so much. you realise we'd be talking about my beard so much.— realise we'd be talking about my beard so much. ., , ., , , ., beard so much. you should be proud of it. beard so much. you should be proud of it- straight _ beard so much. you should be proud of it. straight back— beard so much. you should be proud of it. straight back to _ beard so much. you should be proud of it. straight back to filming - beard so much. you should be proud of it. straight back to filming now? i of it. straight back to filming now? in 24 of it. straight back to filming now? in 24 hours — of it. straight back to filming now? in 24 hours to _ of it. straight back to filming now? in 24 hours to drinking _ of it. straight back to filming now? in 24 hours to drinking and - of it. straight back to filming now? in 24 hours to drinking and bear i of it. straight back to filming now? | in 24 hours to drinking and bear hug my family— in 24 hours to drinking and bear hug my family and then coming down to see you _ my family and then coming down to see you lovely people and then i'm off to _ see you lovely people and then i'm off to london. to see you lovely people and then i'm off to london-— off to london. to get punished by jason statham. _ off to london. to get punished by jason statham. he _ off to london. to get punished by jason statham. he joined - off to london. to get punished by jason statham. he joined us - off to london. to get punished by jason statham. he joined us on i off to london. to get punished by. jason statham. he joined us on the jason statham. he 'oined us on the sofa. inanie _ jason statham. he 'oined us on the sofa. thank you. _ jason statham. he 'oined us on the sofa. thank you. it— jason statham. he joined us on the sofa. thank you. it was _ jason statham. he joined us on the sofa. thank you. it was really - jason statham. he joined us on the sofa. thank you. it was really nice. j sofa. thank you. it was really nice. it has been my honour.— sofa. thank you. it was really nice. it has been my honour. have you got used to seeing _ it has been my honour. have you got used to seeing your _ it has been my honour. have you got used to seeing your face _ it has been my honour. have you got used to seeing your face on - it has been my honour. have you got used to seeing your face on all - it has been my honour. have you got used to seeing your face on all of - used to seeing your face on all of these screens? you are surrounded by yourself, everywhere. it’s yourself, everywhere. it's uncomfortable. _ yourself, everywhere. it's uncomfortable. this - yourself, everywhere. it's uncomfortable. this part of the job is uncomfortable but you've made it very easy— is uncomfortable but you've made it very easy for me. it�*s is uncomfortable but you've made it very easy for me— very easy for me. it's been lovely talkint very easy for me. it's been lovely talkin: to very easy for me. it's been lovely talking to you- — very easy for me. it's been lovely talking to you. what _ very easy for me. it's been lovely talking to you. what does - very easy for me. it's been lovely talking to you. what does the - very easy for me. it's been lovely talking to you. what does the] i talking to you. what does thej stand for? emmettjohn scanlon. and you can watch both series of kin on the bbc iplayer now. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. hello, good morning from bbc london, i“m victoria hollins. the met commissioner says police officers are responding to more crimes like burglaries and car thefts because they're responding to fewer mental health incidents. the “'right care, right person" approach was introduced six months ago and means officers will only respond when there's a serious risk of harm. some charities have raised concerns vulnerable people could fall through the gap. people in mental health crisis, getting the right people coming to support them. people with with health skills and experience from las and others. so that's fantastic. but from a policing perspective, we're not sending police officers in to criminalize people in mental health crisis. that's freeing up thousands of hours. so we've got sort of maybe 6,000 deployments we're not doing. we“re attending more scenes of robberies. we“re making more arrests of people for knives. detectives have released an e—fit image of a man following a serious sexual offence in lambeth. they want to speak to the man about an incident which happened in 2017 when a woman was assaulted in a communal lift at a residential block. she reported it to officers in october 2023. police are appealing to anyone who recognises the man to contact them. let's take a look at the tubes now. now onto the weather. fine and dry for most places with patchy cloud and sunny spells. there“ll be light winds and it'll be a very warm day. maximum temperature 23 degrees. that's it, there's more on our website or on the bbc news app. see you in half an hour. good morning, welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. our headlines today. new analysis shows more than 1,700 people in the uk could be living with undiagnosed hepatitis—c after receiving contaminated blood transfusions decades ago. why would mum not tested? if he were tested many, many years earlier, she would have still been with us. a man who was injured when an attacker carrying a sword burst into his home in london, says it is a "miracle" that he and his family were not killed. i thought i was going to die, to be honest, i thought i was going to die with my wife and my child. we thought we were going to die that morning. former paralympian and amputee john mcfall takes part in the world's first study to see if someone with a disability can become an astronaut. damn in parts of scotland this morning but sunshine and warmth will develop more widely, i will have the four —— full forecast. and ready to rise again. singer—songwriter gabrielle is back and willjoin us on the sofa to talk about her new album and tour. it“s thursday 9th may. more than 1,700 people in the uk could be living with undiagnosed hepatitis—c after receiving contaminated blood transfusions decades ago according to analysis by the bbc. official documents also show government and nhs efforts to trace people, who are most likely to have been infected, were inadequate. our health editor, hugh pym has this report. in the 20 years before 1990, up to 27,000 people had transfusions with blood that was contaminated with the virus hepatitis c. a quick diagnosis and treatment can save lives, but transfusion cases are still coming forward. the hep c trust says two newly diagnosed people call their helpline every month. there are people still out there that have the virus that haven't been picked up, up until now. and that's really quite shocking that there's people walking around, having had blood transfusions many years ago that have never actually had any treatment for the hep c and had they had treatment for the hep c, their prognosis would be hugely different. maureen passed away in february with liver cancer five months after she was diagnosed with hep c and 47 years after she had the blood transfusion that infected her. even though her medical records show she needed many blood transfusions in 1976 and had hep c symptoms since 2008, she wasn't tested for the virus. her daughter victoria is furious. why was there not a campaign on the tv? posters in the doctors? you know, why was mum not tested? because if mum would have been tested many, many years earlier, the outcome would have been very, very different and my mum would still have been with us. in 1995, the government announced a look back exercise but restricted funding for the process and didn't publicise it. despite saying they wanted to find victims in the mid “90s, new evidence seen by the bbc shows that the government instead actively tried to limit public awareness of the hepatitis c virus, deciding not to speed up detection to avoid embarrassing bottlenecks in liver clinics. this internal note written by a government official says “'raising awareness poses undoubted difficulties for the nhs." ahead of the inquiry“s report the government says it will listen carefully to the community as this dreadful scandal is addressed. the failings for patients with infected blood transfusions will certainly form a large part of that report. hugh pym, bbc news. if you know, or even think, you might have had a blood transfusion in the 70s, 80 or 90s and have any concerns about your health then you can request a free nhs hepatitis—c test online and details of where to go are on the screen now. four minutes past eight. we will return to the israel gaza conflict, and we have seen over more than six months, the toing and froing and the support that has been given to either side by the international community and how that has to change and nuances play into that. some of thatis and nuances play into that. some of that is about practical support and ammunition. president biden says the us will not supply heavy weapons to israel that could be used in a major assault on rafah in southern gaza. america has already delayed a shipment of thousands of bombs to israel, the first time it's done so in 40 years, and is reviewing future deliveries. mr biden says munitions will only be sent that allow israel to defend itself. if they go into rafah, i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah, to deal with the cities, to deal with that problem. we're going to continue to make sure israel is secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks that came out of the middle east recently. but it's just wrong. the former chancellor nadhim zahawi has announced he will stand down as an mp at the next election. our chief political correspondent henry zeffman is in westminster. morning, henry. nadhim zahawi was a high—profile figure in the conservative party but in the same breath, politicians do stand down, that happens, it has to be announced at a certain point so give us some context. ., . ., , ., , ., ., context. politicians do stand down and they tend _ context. politicians do stand down and they tend to _ context. politicians do stand down and they tend to announce - context. politicians do stand down and they tend to announce in - context. politicians do stand down and they tend to announce in the l and they tend to announce in the run—up to general elections that they are doing so but an awful lot of conservative politicians are standing down this time round. nadhim zahawi is the 64th conservative mp who said they are not going to be conducting the next election and that does not count people who have been booted out or resign from the conservative party. that tells a story, that many, perhaps not all, of those conservative mps who are standing down think the conservative party is heading for opposition and they do not dance yet. the same thing happened when they thought they were going to lose to the conservatives. it is also telling a story of a changing of the guard within the conservative party. nadhim zahawi has been a really big figure over the last few years. he was the vaccine minister, sitting in this chair talking to you a lot during the coronavirus pandemic about the vaccine right, he was the education secretary and briefly chancellor although borisjohnson“s government collapsed quite soon after that. there is going to be a change in the guard in the conservative party after the next election even if rishi sunak can find a way to turn things around and win the next election. from the prime minister's point of view he willjust be happy that unlike natalie elphicke has not crossed the floor and joined the labour party. rishi sunak will meet university leaders at downing street later to discuss greater protection forjewish students. the prime minister has warned of an unacceptable rise in harassment and anti—semitism on some campuses, and will discuss this with vice—chancellors from leading establishments. this comes after the education secretary, gillian keegan, called for universities to crack down on anti—semitism. university students in england need to find at least £14,000 a year in order to top up a student maintenance loan to the equivalent of the national living wage. new research from the higher education policy institute suggests student finance covers just over half the minimum income needed to live on, and less for those studying in london. here's our education editor, branwen jeffreys. rent is the biggest living cost forstudents, but food, clothes, transport all add up too. this report calculates for the first time a minimum student income. and outside london, maintenance support covers just over half that, leaving parents trying to help and students struggling with the rising cost of living. the new research shows that the maintenance package has fallen, it only covers 55% of the current costs at university. so that's obviously significantly behind the minimum, that“sjust the minimum standards they need to live off. so that means that students are being left without enough funding to survive the higher education experience, let alone go on and thrive and gain the most from their time in higher education. this report says student living costs add up to a minimum of £366 a week, including rent. a family income of above £25,000 means parents are expected to contribute. this research says that could cost up to £14,000 a year. that's for a student getting the minimum loan in england unless the student earns some money themselves through part time work. depending on where you study in the uk, the loans or grants towards living costs are different. the same is true of what's expected of parents. but this report says wherever you look across the uk, there's a gap between the real costs and the support available. the report calls for an increase in maintenance to make the system fairer. in england, the government says it has increased support, giving most help to students from low income families. branwen jeffries, bbc news. let's ta ke let's take a moment to show you some live pictures. we are in moscow. this is the victory day military parade in red square. you are getting a sense of some of these pictures, many of these victory parades were cancelled in some russian cities. we understand this year, as we understand from the pictures, it has considerable scale, it often involves troops, you can see, military hardware. since the uk —— ukraine invasion, the parade have been scaled down. you can see the huge scale of the events taking place in red square. maybe we can listen in a little bit. we understand that was the defence minister addressing some of the troops. and you can see president putin as well. three men in greater manchester have been arrested on suspicion of planning terrorism offences. officers carried out raids across bolton and wigan. the men, aged 35,36 and 51, are in custody and are being questioned by detectives. the arrests are part of an ongoing investigation. a landslide has forced work to stop at a wind farm site in shetland. the energy company sse confirmed the peat slip happened in an area of hillside on tuesday afternoon. dramatic pictures, these. no one was injured, but an investigation is under way to assess the extent of the damage. security will be heightened in malmo tonight as israel's eurovision act performs at the second semifinal. organisers are expecting protests against israel's participation, amid concerns over the humanitarian cost of the war in gaza. we can speak now to our europe correspondent, sarah rainsford, who is in malmo. there has been a lot of talk in advance of this moment, about security concerns, what is happening in practice? eurovision is supposed to be about the fun, the music, the sparkles and the spangles, the outrageous lyrics and costumes, but there is a definite political undercurrent to this year's event. there have been calls for the artists taking part is to boycott the event and for israel to be banned from eurovision because the israeli army is coming gaza, and the high number of civilian casualties and the humanitarian crisis. here in malmo, there is a large community from the middle east and there is a lot of anger about the fact that israel is going ahead, taking part, that eden golan will be performing tonight. there is going to be a big rally tonight, they have been small protests all week, all very orderly and peaceful. there is a massive police presence, a lot of mounted police presence, a lot of mounted police and police with binoculars and drones, they have drafted in extra forces from norway and denmark. it is a pretty calm atmosphere. everything is pretty orderly. there is also a small demonstration planned by thejewish community who are coming out in support of israel's participation in this event. they say it will be a celebration of music in israel's role in eurovision over many years. the background tension is there and as well as the party and there is a focus on the protests. there's nothing worse than feeling like you're missing out on a party, especially when that party is at buckingham palace. that's what happened to charity fundraiser tony hudgell as he got stuck in traffic on the motorway with his parents. his mum, paula, tweeted their disappointment at not being able to attend. and just as tony was about to go to bed they got this response on x from the palace. “'sorry to hear this, tony! we were looking forward to seeing you too. fancy trying again another day? leave it with us." needless to say the message was a much needed boost for the nine—year—old who has raised millions of pounds for charity. so they will get to the party! it will happen. we have got whether now with matt. “ . will happen. we have got whether now with matt. �* , ., , , will happen. we have got whether now with matt. �*, .,, , , , with matt. let's hope the sun shines for them! we are in edinburgh here, the cloud has broken up, a bit of sunshine coming through, lots more sunshine to come over the next few days. there has been some overnight rain across parts of eastern scotland but it should be a fine day from here on in. western scotland will continue to see some spots of rain and drizzle particularly in the highlands and islands but for most of you another fine day and feeling warm in the sunshine. temperatures at the moment, they are in the order of ten to 12 celsius. scotland will have the cloud and rain, argyll and bute, the western isles and western highlands, it will be quite messy and murky around the coast as well. we permit a dry start and a dry day ahead, there will be some —— away from it a dry start and a dry day ahead. there will be sunshine through the afternoon and temperatures will rise accordingly. limited across western scotland with the mist and murk but even here higher than recent days, 20 to 23 through most of the uk. some clear skies to begin with this afternoon, we should mention the grass pollen levels, that we are starting to switch seasons, still high tree pollen but now grass pollen starting to rise and strong sunshine overhead as we will see more widely do this weekend. this evening and overnight, some more heavy rain, but only a very northern scotland, but most of us dry. temperatures similar to one recent days, we will lose the morning fog, sunshine even better on saturday and temperatures could peak at 25 before storms arrive on sunday. as we've been hearing this morning, thousands of people have been affected by the infected blood scandal, considered one of the biggest treatment disasters in nhs history. this is maureen. she received a blood transfusion in the 19705 and, unknowingly, became infected with hepatitis—c. she was diagnosed with liver cancer, and died in february this year. this is jane. she also had a blood transfusion, after suffering from an ectopic pregnancy in 1978. it took 25 years forjane to discover that she'd contracted hepatitis—c from that procedure. in the intervening years, she tried a variety of treatments, but she died in 2015, agejust 54. maureen's daughter, victoria, and jane's son, ronan, have been speaking to our health editor, hugh pym. i can remember i was going on a family holiday in 2008 and mum having excruciating pain in a stomach. she had lumps in her throat, she was finding it hard to swallow. so she went for a routine checkup with her gp. last year we had a... it's not a new gp, but it's a new gp to us and she took mum seriously and again sent mum for lots and lots of tests with one of them being a liver scan. she had a break—out on her skin and it was itchy, itchy rashy type symptoms and general tiredness. isaid, “'hi, mum, how are you, ok?" and she said, “'no, not really." and i asked her why, and she told me that a man had rung her up and told her that she had hepatitis. they obviously carried out varied tests, blood tests, and the blood test came back that she had contracted hepatitis c. mum“s old school and is of the view that people have hep c, sometimes have a negative lifestyle. as soon as she found out a diagnosis, she immediately stopped drinking completely overnight. but then she also stopped the socialising. she was so worried about the stigma. she was ashamed of the diagnosis. but obviously it wasn't her fault. and i do recall my dad saying that it was... mum willdie. you know, likely need a liver transplant, but ultimately she will lose her life. mum had had tests in august. this was october. mum hadn't seen a consultant at this point and somebody in a&e blurted out to us that mum had liver cancer. and what did you think about the way that was handled? i was angry. very angry. she required regular drainage. one time she returned home because the drain, there wasn't a drain for her. and her abdomen actually ruptured. and it was a very traumatic thing to see. um... excuse me, sorry. and i did phone up the hospital. and i was very firm with them saying, "my mum is here because she has been infected with contaminated blood. please don't treat her like a drug addict or an alcoholic. just look after her." they told us, because my mum was so frail, because at this point she was about five stone, that she wasn't a good candidate for treatment. so there would be no chemo, there would be no liver transplant. so my mum...my mum was written off. i knew she referred to it as a ticking time bomb, it was a death sentence. and although she definitely wasn't alone, i know she felt alone and it was her battle and only her battle. so mum went back into hospital. and then eventually on the 27th of december, she was discharged to a nursing home. and that's where she remained. cancer had spread from her lungs up through her brain stem that caused the mini strokes. so, yeah, it was so traumatic. yeah, i didn't know... i didn't know there was trauma that was like that. why did somebody not record all the people that had had blood transfusions in that period from the “70s to the early “905? why were they not recorded and why were they not contacted? they knew that transfusions had been, had happened, so patients, people should have been brought back in and should have been tested and treated. why was there not a campaign on the tv? posters in the doctors? it's a huge failing and it makes it upsetting that it was completely avoidable. my mum should be here today. i'm just angry that the nhs, the government knew that there was a potential that the blood they were giving to people was infected. mum was always there. she was always there for advice, whether that was talking about girlfriends when you were a teenager or showing me how to dance, which was terrible. the two—step shuffle, i think it was called. she was very independent, very house proud, loved her garden. my mother was the epitome of what a mother should be. and i miss her dearly. we“re joined now by robert ellinor, who contracted hepatitis c after receiving a blood transfusion when he was a teenager. and alongside him is shabana begum, from the hepatitis—c trust. firstly, from the hepatitis—c trust. our thanks to ronan ar victoria, firstly, our thanks to ronan and victoria, you can obviously see that the emotions around what happened to their mothers is very role. good morning, robert, and shabana. roberts, you were four, you are excited about seeing your dad, you had an accident that involved lots of damaged and you needed hospital treatment. that involved a blood transfusion?— transfusion? no, it went on for tuite a transfusion? no, it went on for quite a lot _ transfusion? no, it went on for quite a lot of— transfusion? no, it went on for quite a lot of time, _ transfusion? no, it went on for quite a lot of time, because i i transfusion? no, it went on for i quite a lot of time, because i had done a lot of damage internally inside my head. because you grow, you know, as a child. you can see that i am 1.8 metres tall so i have grown a lot since i was four. the transfusion came after two or three operations. 50 transfusion came after two or three operations-— transfusion came after two or three operations. ., ., ., . ., operations. so you are a team? what ear was operations. so you are a team? what year was that? _ operations. so you are a team? what year was that? 1973 _ operations. so you are a team? what year was that? 1973 so _ operations. so you are a team? what year was that? 1973 so now _ operations. so you are a team? what year was that? 1973 so now you - operations. so you are a team? what year was that? 1973 so now you know how old i year was that? 1973 so now you know how old i am! — year was that? 1973 so now you know how old i am! -- _ year was that? 1973 so now you know how old i am! -- i _ year was that? 1973 so now you know how old i am! -- i was _ year was that? 1973 so now you know how old i am! -- i was 18. _ year was that? 1973 so now you know how old i am! -- i was 18. i- year was that? 1973 so now you know how old i am! -- i was 18. i became i how old i am! —— i was 18. i became very sick after two to three months from hepatitis b, because i got hepatitis b and c together. hepatitis b makes you very sick, it's the one that makes you, your eyes turn yellow and it is very painful. and then i cleared that, there are a lot of people who self clear and you will hear a lot about that. and life moved on. it wasn't until 2017, 2015, istarted that. and life moved on. it wasn't until 2017, 2015, i started to get terrible cramps in my legs and stomach, really quite painful. i bupropion, all kinds of things like that, it solves that problem. —— i bupropion. then 2017, i was living in singapore and a very sharp young man, the gp said, you want to enjoy your retirement, don“t man, the gp said, you want to enjoy your retirement, don't you? i said, everybody does. he said, you need to see them because i think you might have something owner us, and didn't see what. i went to see a and they found that i had antibodies for hepatitis c. it is a bombshell and you don't know where it comes from. eventually time moved on, i returned to england between covid one and two, not the greatest time to see a gp. so another year went by. and then got tested and found that i had a high viral load, i still had an active infection, this is 49 years later. ~ ., ., active infection, this is 49 years later. ., ., ,, .. active infection, this is 49 years later. ., ., ,, ., later. what do you know about the blood that he _ later. what do you know about the blood that he received? _ later. what do you know about the blood that he received? nothing. l later. what do you know about the i blood that he received? nothing. the reason is is because _ blood that he received? nothing. the reason is is because the _ blood that he received? nothing. the reason is is because the blood - blood that he received? nothing. the reason is is because the blood that i reason is is because the blood that people like me were given came from the local blood transfusion banks, the local blood transfusion banks, the problem was there was no test. you could literally have people giving blood who were infected with hepatitis c and then, thank you very much, the hospital gave it back to people like me and we became infected with hepatitis c. this is different from the problem when people had infected products and haemophilia. this came from our own blood banks. i lived in bristol, we had a large regional blood centre and that fed the whole of the south—west of england. iflan and that fed the whole of the south-west of england.- and that fed the whole of the south-west of england. can i ask how ou are south-west of england. can i ask how you are now? — south-west of england. can i ask how you are now? i— south-west of england. can i ask how you are now? i had _ south-west of england. can i ask how you are now? i had cirrhosis, - south-west of england. can i ask how you are now? i had cirrhosis, my - you are now? i had cirrhosis, my liver is compromised. _ you are now? i had cirrhosis, my liver is compromised. my - you are now? i had cirrhosis, my liver is compromised. my life - liver is compromised. my life expectancy is not great, frankly. and my whole story now is about making sure i take care of my wife. i have received compensation from the government, i was part of that, i am registered with the england infected blood support scheme. and as you probably heard from the meetings last week, they are going to prioritise the people like me of these 4000 people that are part of these 4000 people that are part of the blood support system, and then will, hopefully, through the compensation system, they will start to pay the bills. it“s compensation system, they will start to pay the bills. it's about taking care of my kids are my family now. this is where you can pick up, shabana, because you help as part of the hepatitis c trust, you must see so many people like robert who are just battling. so many people like robert who are just battling-— just battling. definitely so. m self, just battling. definitely so. myself. i— just battling. definitely so. myself, i have _ just battling. definitely so. myself, i have got, - just battling. definitely so. myself, i have got, i- just battling. definitely so. myself, i have got, i am i just battling. definitely so. | myself, i have got, i am an just battling. definitely so. i myself, i have got, i am an ex patient — myself, i have got, i am an ex patient as— myself, i have got, i am an ex patient as well so i have had hepatitis _ patient as well so i have had hepatitis c, i know what it's like. that— hepatitis c, i know what it's like. that wasii't— hepatitis c, i know what it's like. that wasn't through transfusions? no, no, it was by other means, a syringe _ no, no, it was by other means, a syringe abroad. but what we do at the trust _ syringe abroad. but what we do at the trust is — syringe abroad. but what we do at the trust is highlight issues within all communities, we have been supporting the blood inquiry for many— supporting the blood inquiry for many years as well through the helpline — many years as well through the helpline. and lobbying as well, that's— helpline. and lobbying as well, that's part of what we do. | helpline. and lobbying as well, that's part of what we do. i think what is interesting _ that's part of what we do. i think what is interesting is, _ that's part of what we do. i think what is interesting is, we - that's part of what we do. i think what is interesting is, we have i what is interesting is, we have said, if anyone has any doubts about their own health at this moment in time, because one of the issues is getting people to come forward. iti�*erti getting people to come forward. very much so. getting people to come forward. very much so- and — getting people to come forward. very much so. and putting _ getting people to come forward. very much so. and putting things - much so. and putting things together. — much so. and putting things together. i— much so. and putting things together, i am _ much so. and putting things together, i am not- much so. and putting things together, i am not well, - much so. and putting things - together, i am not well, something isn“t together, i am not well, something isn't right, they can't figure out what is wrong with me. definitely, because there _ what is wrong with me. definitely, because there is _ what is wrong with me. definitely, because there is no, _ what is wrong with me. definitely, because there is no, when - what is wrong with me. definitely, because there is no, when you - what is wrong with me. definitely, i because there is no, when you catch the virus. _ because there is no, when you catch the virus, there are no specific symptoms, it can be headache, flu-like — symptoms, it can be headache, flu—like symptoms, aches and pains, for many— flu—like symptoms, aches and pains, for many months. and we just put it down _ for many months. and we just put it down to— for many months. and we just put it down to an — for many months. and we just put it down to an everyday lifestyle, having — down to an everyday lifestyle, having problems with a headache, or depression. — having problems with a headache, or depression, stomachache, we say, it something— depression, stomachache, we say, it something to do with work or home or lifestyle _ something to do with work or home or lifestyle and _ something to do with work or home or lifestyle and we make excuses. we don't _ lifestyle and we make excuses. we don't look — lifestyle and we make excuses. we don't look at our health itself, where — don't look at our health itself, where we _ don't look at our health itself, where we have been and what we've done _ where we have been and what we've done in _ where we have been and what we've done in the — where we have been and what we've done in the past. have we had any operations. — done in the past. have we had any operations, like robert has come in the past? _ operations, like robert has come in the past? have you had a blood transfusion or blood products? i work— transfusion or blood products? i work in — transfusion or blood products? i work in the _ transfusion or blood products? i work in the community as well as my colleagues. — work in the community as well as my colleagues, across the country, across — colleagues, across the country, across the _ colleagues, across the country, across the board. communities in prisons _ across the board. communities in prisons as— across the board. communities in prisons as well. and what we always say is. _ prisons as well. and what we always say is. if— prisons as well. and what we always say is. if you — prisons as well. and what we always say is, if you don't feel well, at least _ say is, if you don't feel well, at least to— say is, if you don't feel well, at least to go— say is, if you don't feel well, at least to go to the gp and get tested — least to go to the gp and get tested. if you want to get a test for hepatitis c it's very easy. last year— for hepatitis c it's very easy. last year we _ for hepatitis c it's very easy. last year we launched the nhs portal for hepatitis _ year we launched the nhs portal for hepatitis c_ year we launched the nhs portal for hepatitis c home testing kits so you can easily— hepatitis c home testing kits so you can easily order one. we hepatitis c home testing kits so you can easily order one.— can easily order one. we will give the information. _ can easily order one. we will give the information. you _ can easily order one. we will give the information. you can - can easily order one. we will give the information. you can order i can easily order one. we will give i the information. you can order one at home and _ the information. you can order one at home and test _ the information. you can order one at home and test yourself- the information. you can order one at home and test yourself and - the information. you can order one at home and test yourself and post it and _ at home and test yourself and post it and you — at home and test yourself and post it and you get the results within two weeks will stop we will give the details _ two weeks will stop we will give the details. we two weeks will stop we will give the details. ~ ., , ., details. we will give the details at the end. thank _ details. we will give the details at the end. thank you. _ details. we will give the details at the end. thank you. can - details. we will give the details at the end. thank you. can i - details. we will give the details at the end. thank you. can i ask - details. we will give the details at| the end. thank you. can i ask you, how have — the end. thank you. can i ask you, how have you _ the end. thank you. can i ask you, how have you put _ the end. thank you. can i ask you, how have you put in _ the end. thank you. can i ask you, how have you put in any _ the end. thank you. can i ask you, how have you put in any kind - the end. thank you. can i ask you, how have you put in any kind of. how have you put in any kind of place what was done to you? i know you talked about your children, and they must ask questions. thei;r you talked about your children, and they must ask questions.— you talked about your children, and they must ask questions. they had to be tested, charlie. _ they must ask questions. they had to be tested, charlie. so _ they must ask questions. they had to be tested, charlie. so they _ they must ask questions. they had to be tested, charlie. so they are - be tested, charlie. so they are involved in _ be tested, charlie. so they are involved in this. _ be tested, charlie. so they are involved in this. this _ be tested, charlie. so they are j involved in this. this happened be tested, charlie. so they are i involved in this. this happened to you, it was done to you, how have you, it was done to you, how have you reconcile that in your head? i have done it through perhaps a cheap way, i also work with the hepatitis c trust as a volunteer —— perhaps it is cheating. every wednesday i go to to the helpline and i listen to calls from people. i call them my mums. these are poor people who were infected who didn't know they were affected. now the liver is a compromise in many cases and they had cirrhosis and possibly liver cancer. i listen to these poor people, poor lady on a mobility scooter, had an accident, gets tested, 40 years later, she suddenly finds out that she has hep c. to answer your question on my way is to reconcile it with myself, i want to the worlds and shout it from the highest level, please, please get tested. my oral statement and my written statements to the inquiry because i am a core member of the inquiry will ask, the final words were, sir brian, if i do nothing else in my life, i want to get people tested. because i don't want there to be more bobs. you can go down this road of not having people tested —— you cannot go down this road. this was a disaster done to people, this was not something that nature did. i people, this was not something that nature did. ., ., ., , ., , nature did. i have no doubt, robert, that when people — nature did. i have no doubt, robert, that when people call _ nature did. i have no doubt, robert, that when people call up _ nature did. i have no doubt, robert, that when people call up and - nature did. i have no doubt, robert, that when people call up and they i that when people call up and they are in a despairing place, you must be a very lovely voice to hear. thank you. be a very lovely voice to hear. thank you-— be a very lovely voice to hear. thank you. may be lovely is the wron: thank you. may be lovely is the wrong way _ thank you. may be lovely is the wrong way to — thank you. may be lovely is the wrong way to say _ thank you. may be lovely is the wrong way to say it _ thank you. may be lovely is the wrong way to say it but - thank you. may be lovely is the wrong way to say it but you - thank you. may be lovely is the i wrong way to say it but you know what i mean. it is important because people will be in a desperate place. they are distraught when we try to talk to— they are distraught when we try to talk to people, we don't show sympathy, it is empathy that we show _ sympathy, it is empathy that we show. because we have been there and experienced _ show. because we have been there and experienced it, we know what it is about. _ experienced it, we know what it is about. we — experienced it, we know what it is about, we are able to give that support— about, we are able to give that support to _ about, we are able to give that support to them and i think it's really_ support to them and i think it's really crucial that people should -et really crucial that people should get tested. we really crucial that people should get tested-— get tested. we will give that information _ get tested. we will give that information right _ get tested. we will give that information right now. - get tested. we will give that i information right now. robert, shabana, thank you so much for talking to us and sharing your experiences.— if you know, or even think, you might have had a blood transfusion in the 70s, 80 or 90s and have any concerns about your health then you can request a free nhs hepatitis—c test online and details of where to go are on the screen now. morning live follows breakfast on bbc one this morning. let's find out what they have in store with michelle and gethin. good morning. coming up. our personal details are being unknowingly sold to scammers on the high street. if i can get your name, i date of birth and address, your banking information, i can open up your banking 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terrible thing, terrible thing. _ after 9:30am. yeah, terrible thing, terrible thing. that _ after 9:30am. yeah, terrible thing, terrible thing. that wasn't - after 9:30am. yeah, terrible thing, terrible thing. that wasn't awkward | terrible thing. that wasn't awkward at all! time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. hello, good morning from bbc london. i“m barry caffrey. the met commissioner says police officers are responding to more crimes like burglaries and car thefts because they're responding to fewer mental health incidents. the “right care, right person“ approach was introduced six months ago and means officers will only respond when there's a serious risk of harm. some charities have raised concerns vulnerable people could fall through the gap— but the commissioner says it's been a success. people in mental health crisis, getting the right people coming to support them. people with health skills and experience from las and others. so that's fantastic. but from a policing perspective, we're not sending police officers in to criminalise people in mental health crisis. that's freeing up thousands of hours. so we've got sort of maybe 6,000 deployments we're not doing. we“re attending more scenes of robberies. we“re making more arrests of people for knives. detectives have released an e—fit image of a man following a serious sexual offence in lambeth. they want to speak to the man about an incident which happened in 2017, when a woman was assaulted in a communal lift at a residential block. she reported it to officers in october 2023. police are appealing to anyone who recognises the man to contact them. children from some of london's primary and secondary schools have been putting their words to music with the help of renowned composer alexis ffrench. working with the charity restore the music — the musician wants to bring music to some of the most underserved parts of the uk. deforestation is giving us less species of animals and plants that we will never find. it's cutting down our trees. what's been particularly beautiful |wasjust to have them articulate, j whether it be through words or through song, how- they feel about the world. let's take a look at the tubes now. there's a good service on the network this morning — just minor delays on the northern line severe delays on the district line and the overground is part suspended. now onto the weather with kawser. hello. good morning. high pressure remains in charge of our weather. and once again, lots of fine dry weather out there and some warm spells of sunshine, too. there“ll be some early patches of mist and fog, soon clearing this morning, and some high cloud making the sunshine hazy in places. and during the afternoon, we may see a little fairweather cloud bubbling up, but plenty of sunshine as well. and temperatures climbing up to 21 to 23 celsius with those light winds. a fine evening to come too. overnight tonight, once more, we can see some patchy mist and fog forming. there will be some further cloud developing further towards the east as well. and temperatures around 11 to 14 celsius overnight. so another very mild night in store. looking ahead to friday and into the weekend, well, high pressure gradually slips further towards the east, but it will remain in charge. so staying largely fine and dry with some further spells of sunshine and quite warm conditions. but there is the chance we could see some scattered showers developing by sunday and becoming more unsettled as you look ahead to next week and a bit cooler as well. that's it — head to our website to find out more about the decision that means the london eye will now be permanent fixture on the south bank. i'll be back in half an hour. now it's back to charlie and naga. good morning. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. for the past year, former paralympian and amputeejohn mcfall has swapped his tracksuit for a spacesuit, as he takes part in the world's first study to see if someone with a disability can become an astronaut. our science editor rebecca morelle has been to see how his training with the european space agency has been going. all right. questions? no questions. it's a key test for a trainee astronaut and not for the faint hearted or the claustrophobic. three, two, one. ignition and lift off. john“s an astronaut candidate with a difference. he's an amputee. he lost the lower part of his right leg in a motorcycle accident when he was a teenager. now he's working with the european space agency to see if someone with a disability can go to space. john“s training will continue and there are still many questions to be answered. so this is a sleeping bag. yeah. velcro? yeah, you get yourself in your sleeping bag and you actually velcro yourself to the wall so that you don't float around too much with when you're sleeping. but he set his sights high and he hopes to change perceptions about just who can become an astronaut. rebecca morrelle, bbc news, at the european astronaut centre in germany. john mcfalljoins us now. hello. hi, nice to see. we were talkint hello. hi, nice to see. we were talking on _ hello. hi, nice to see. we were talking on the _ hello. hi, nice to see. we were talking on the sofa _ hello. hi, nice to see. we were talking on the sofa about - hello. hi, nice to see. we were talking on the sofa about a - hello. hi, nice to see. we werej talking on the sofa about a year ago. talking on the sofa about a year ato. , . ' ., , talking on the sofa about a year ato. , .' ., ., talking on the sofa about a year ato. , .' ., m ago. pretty much 12 months ago. in the ho -es ago. pretty much 12 months ago. in the hopes dreams _ ago. pretty much 12 months ago. in the hopes dreams were _ ago. pretty much 12 months ago. in the hopes dreams were there. - ago. pretty much 12 months ago. in the hopes dreams were there. it. ago. pretty much 12 months ago. in | the hopes dreams were there. it was 'ust before the hopes dreams were there. it was just before i — the hopes dreams were there. it was just before i was _ the hopes dreams were there. it was just before i was going _ the hopes dreams were there. it was just before i was going to _ the hopes dreams were there. it was just before i was going to go - the hopes dreams were there. it was just before i was going to go out - the hopes dreams were there. it was just before i was going to go out to germany— just before i was going to go out to germany and i done my first flight campaign — germany and i done my first flight campaign and since then i've moved out to— campaign and since then i've moved out to germany. how campaign and since then i've moved out to germany-— out to germany. how is the training ttoin ? out to germany. how is the training totin? it's out to germany. how is the training going? it's been — out to germany. how is the training going? it's been going _ out to germany. how is the training going? it's been going really - out to germany. how is the training going? it's been going really well. i going? it's been going really well. i've been going? it's been going really well. i've been doing — going? it's been going really well. i've been doing aspects _ going? it's been going really well. i've been doing aspects of - going? it's been going really well. i i've been doing aspects of astronaut basic— i've been doing aspects of astronaut basic training that are overlapping and influencing this feasibility study. — and influencing this feasibility study, i'm doing the flake feasibility study which is looking at can— feasibility study which is looking at can somebody with a physical disability— at can somebody with a physical disability like mine fly to space. what _ disability like mine fly to space. what are — disability like mine fly to space. what are the biggest problems? we have spoken to tim peake and so many brilliant people who have been to space, but i think, you are a tall man, right? and your prosthetic is quite bulky, is that fair to say? it is a little bit. you _ quite bulky, is that fair to say? it is a little bit. you know - quite bulky, is that fair to say? it is a little bit. you know where i'm totin. is a little bit. you know where i'm going- because — is a little bit. you know where i'm going. because it _ is a little bit. you know where i'm going. because it is _ is a little bit. you know where i'm going. because it is cramped, - is a little bit. you know where i'm| going. because it is cramped, and you have to get into really awkward positions. is that one of the challenges they have looked out already? challenges they have looked out alread ? . , , ., , already? certainly fitting yourself in the spacecraft _ already? certainly fitting yourself in the spacecraft and _ already? certainly fitting yourself in the spacecraft and making - already? certainly fitting yourself| in the spacecraft and making sure the seat _ in the spacecraft and making sure the seat you are sat in and your prosthesis _ the seat you are sat in and your prosthesis being inside the space it and making sure it is safe and there is nothing _ and making sure it is safe and there is nothing around you in danger is part of— is nothing around you in danger is part of the — is nothing around you in danger is part of the consideration, definitely but i have to say if i do fly. it _ definitely but i have to say if i do fly. it will— definitely but i have to say if i do fly, it will most likely be on a different— fly, it will most likely be on a different spacecraft to what tim flew on. — different spacecraft to what tim flew on, and more likely that i fly on the _ flew on, and more likely that i fly on the crewe dragon which is more spacious _ on the crewe dragon which is more spacious and there is a bit more legroom — spacious and there is a bit more legroom. we spacious and there is a bit more letroom. ~ . spacious and there is a bit more letroom. . ., ., ., legroom. we are looking at what looks like an _ legroom. we are looking at what looks like an horrendous - legroom. we are looking at what i looks like an horrendous machine. give us the official title, the one thatis give us the official title, the one that is spinning year—round. the centrifuge. what are testing for? this is very much a familiarisation opportunity, specifically for me, it was to— opportunity, specifically for me, it was to make sure that wearing my prosthesis — was to make sure that wearing my prosthesis or wearing the socket of my prosthesis didn't cause any problems— my prosthesis didn't cause any problems to my stump or blood flow. just explain. can we see the pictures again? all of the pressure is going to your head? it’s pictures again? all of the pressure is going to your head?— is going to your head? it's slightly different. you _ is going to your head? it's slightly different. you are _ is going to your head? it's slightly different. you are lying _ is going to your head? it's slightly different. you are lying in - is going to your head? it's slightly different. you are lying in this - different. you are lying in this gondola. _ different. you are lying in this gondola, that is what they call the ca-e gondola, that is what they call the cage at _ gondola, that is what they call the cage at the end of the arm, so when it speeds— cage at the end of the arm, so when it speeds up. — cage at the end of the arm, so when it speeds up, the gondola lifts, so the increased g forces going through your chest _ the increased g forces going through your chest and through your back in this direction, where pilots experience in this direction, head to feet _ experience in this direction, head to feet in — experience in this direction, head to feet in a — experience in this direction, head to feet. in a spacecraft on top of a rocket _ to feet. in a spacecraft on top of a rocket you — to feet. in a spacecraft on top of a rocket you are essentially lying on your back — rocket you are essentially lying on your back in the spacecraft, being shot up. — your back in the spacecraft, being shot up, which is what you sit in that— shot up, which is what you sit in that position. was it ok? absolutely fine. ... .. that position. was it ok? absolutely fine. , , �*, that position. was it ok? absolutely fine. , , fine. good. if, because it's all still being _ fine. good. if, because it's all still being decided _ fine. good. if, because it's all still being decided and - fine. good. if, because it's all still being decided and if- fine. good. if, because it's all still being decided and if the i fine. good. if, because it's all- still being decided and if the tests work, if you went into space, would you stay in that capsule or would you stay in that capsule or would you be going out? the spacecraft docked onto _ you be going out? the spacecraft docked onto the _ you be going out? the spacecraft docked onto the international- you be going out? the spacecraft i docked onto the international space station _ docked onto the international space station on _ docked onto the international space station on the plan would be to be spend _ station on the plan would be to be spend six— station on the plan would be to be spend six months on the international space station. can i ask this question? _ international space station. can i ask this question? do _ international space station. can i ask this question? do you - international space station. can i ask this question? do you need your prosthesis in space? goad ask this question? do you need your prosthesis in space?— prosthesis in space? good question. good question- _ prosthesis in space? good question. good question. very _ prosthesis in space? good question. good question. very early _ prosthesis in space? good question. good question. very early on - prosthesis in space? good question. good question. very early on we - good question. very early on we discussed — good question. very early on we discussed this. we discovered early on that— discussed this. we discovered early on that i_ discussed this. we discovered early on that i need it for a launch because _ on that i need it for a launch because i_ on that i need it for a launch because i need it in an emergency if i because i need it in an emergency if i have _ because i need it in an emergency if i have to _ because i need it in an emergency if i have to get — because i need it in an emergency if i have to get out of the spacecraft and off— i have to get out of the spacecraft and off the — i have to get out of the spacecraft and off the launch pad rapidly, i have _ and off the launch pad rapidly, i have to — and off the launch pad rapidly, i have to be — and off the launch pad rapidly, i have to be able to walk or run from spacecraft. — have to be able to walk or run from spacecraft, so i have to wear at launch — spacecraft, so i have to wear at launch iii— spacecraft, so i have to wear at launch. in space, floating around doing _ launch. in space, floating around doing day—to—day operations, it might— doing day—to—day operations, it might not— doing day—to—day operations, it might not be fully necessary. it might— might not be fully necessary. it might be — might not be fully necessary. it might be useful to help stabilise myself— might be useful to help stabilise myself while doing tasks with my hands _ myself while doing tasks with my hands because you stop yourself floating — hands because you stop yourself floating around, but the main reason i floating around, but the main reason i would _ floating around, but the main reason i would need it on orbit, in space, would _ i would need it on orbit, in space, would be — i would need it on orbit, in space, would be to— i would need it on orbit, in space, would be to do exercise. for a six-month _ would be to do exercise. for a six—month mission you have to do weight— six—month mission you have to do weight training and cardiovascular exercise _ weight training and cardiovascular exercise to maintain your bone density— exercise to maintain your bone density and muscle mass, so for me i use a _ density and muscle mass, so for me i use a prosthesis to do those activities _ use a prosthesis to do those activities on earth, so i would need the same _ activities on earth, so i would need the same in — activities on earth, so i would need the same in space. it is activities on earth, so i would need the same in space.— the same in space. it is such a serious business _ the same in space. it is such a serious business and - the same in space. it is such a serious business and we - the same in space. it is such a serious business and we see i the same in space. it is such a - serious business and we see these pictures and dual giggling. it is serious business and we see these pictures and dual giggling. it iii a pictures and dual giggling. it is a very serious _ pictures and dual giggling. it is a very serious business. _ pictures and dual giggling. it is a very serious business. is - pictures and dual giggling. it is a very serious business. is that i pictures and dual giggling. it is a| very serious business. is that the effect it has _ very serious business. is that the effect it has when _ very serious business. is that the effect it has when you _ very serious business. is that the effect it has when you first - very serious business. is that the effect it has when you first do - very serious business. is that the effect it has when you first do it. | effect it has when you first do it. this was my first one, very much a discovery— this was my first one, very much a discovery experience but last month i did discovery experience but last month i did three _ discovery experience but last month i did three days of this which was really_ i did three days of this which was really interesting, testing some of the features of the prosthetic, testing — the features of the prosthetic, testing my ability to move around and stabilise and a bit more scientific— and stabilise and a bit more scientific than this, a great opportunity i had the previous aprit — opportunity i had the previous aprit do _ opportunity i had the previous atril. ,, opportunity i had the previous a.ril. ~ ., april. do you think you found it more difficult _ april. do you think you found it more difficult than _ april. do you think you found it more difficult than people - april. do you think you found it more difficult than people who | more difficult than people who didn't have a prosthesis? i more difficult than people who didn't have a prosthesis? i think i look awkward _ didn't have a prosthesis? i think i look awkward because _ didn't have a prosthesis? i think i look awkward because my - didn't have a prosthesis? i think i look awkward because my leg - didn't have a prosthesis? i think i - look awkward because my leg doesn't naturally— look awkward because my leg doesn't naturally move in the same way. it�*s naturally move in the same way. it's difficult naturally move in the same way. it�*s difficult anyway. you have all said how did you find it after? i difficult anyway. you have all said how did you find it after?- how did you find it after? i didn't find it particularly _ how did you find it after? i didn't find it particularly awkward - how did you find it after? i didn't i find it particularly awkward because of my— find it particularly awkward because of my prosthesis but i did notice that you — of my prosthesis but i did notice that you rotate in a slightly different way because the leg might want to— different way because the leg might want to stay extended but if i bent it, it want to stay extended but if i bent it. it would — want to stay extended but if i bent it, it would stay bent because of the microgravity, there is no inertia — the microgravity, there is no inertia or— the microgravity, there is no inertia or gravity to move it. | inertia or gravity to move it. know its inertia or gravity to move it. i know its early stages and it might sound like a foolish question but are you in competition with the others? you are being tested, aren“t others? you are being tested, aren't you? and normally when you are tested, there are measures. are you rating yourself? is that the system? in different space agencies across the world — in different space agencies across the world there are different ranges of competitiveness and within the european — of competitiveness and within the european space agency there isn't that mentality of competitiveness. we are _ that mentality of competitiveness. we are all— that mentality of competitiveness. we are all very supportive of each other~ _ we are all very supportive of each other~ my— we are all very supportive of each other. my party is very different to my colleagues who i've been training alongside _ my colleagues who i've been training alongside -- — my colleagues who i've been training alongside —— my path is very different _ alongside —— my path is very different. between now and 2030, which _ different. between now and 2030, which is _ different. between now and 2030, which is the predicted end of the iss programme, there are flight opportunities for all of the new career— opportunities for all of the new career astronauts in the european space _ career astronauts in the european space agency so they will get an opportunity to fly to the international space station. what is our tut international space station. what is your gut feeling? — international space station. what is your gut feeling? do _ international space station. what is your gut feeling? do you _ international space station. what is your gut feeling? do you think- international space station. what is your gut feeling? do you think you i your gut feeling? do you think you will go up? your gut feeling? do you think you will to u . ? . your gut feeling? do you think you willtou-? . “. your gut feeling? do you think you will go up?— will go up? yeah. there's a huge amount of— will go up? yeah. there's a huge amount of positivity _ will go up? yeah. there's a huge amount of positivity behind - will go up? yeah. there's a huge amount of positivity behind it. i will go up? yeah. there's a huge i amount of positivity behind it. and the study— amount of positivity behind it. and the study is looking really great and at — the study is looking really great and at the moment there is no show stopper— and at the moment there is no show stopper for— and at the moment there is no show stopper for me not to go, so we just need _ stopper for me not to go, so we just need to— stopper for me not to go, so we just need to garner the support of the member— need to garner the support of the member states of the european space agency— member states of the european space agency to _ member states of the european space agency to getjohn member states of the european space agency to get john a flight. when ou ett agency to get john a flight. when you get the _ agency to get john a flight. when you get the call. _ agency to get john a flight. when you get the call, give _ agency to get john a flight. when you get the call, give us - agency to get john a flight. when you get the call, give us a - agency to get john a flight. when you get the call, give us a call. i i you get the call, give us a call. i would love to. tell _ you get the call, give us a call. i would love to. tell us _ you get the call, give us a call. i would love to. tell us first. - you get the call, give us a call. i i would love to. tell us first. maybe come back — would love to. tell us first. maybe come back and _ would love to. tell us first. maybe come back and talk _ would love to. tell us first. maybe come back and talk to _ would love to. tell us first. maybe come back and talk to us - would love to. tell us first. maybe come back and talk to us will - would love to. tell us first. maybe come back and talk to us will stop| come back and talk to us will stop it will be so exciting. matt would love to go to space. you would love it, wouldn't you? i’d would love it, wouldn't you? i'd love to just would love it, wouldn't you? i'd love tojust see us, the clouds, everything~ _ love tojust see us, the clouds, everything. that would be amazing. you would _ everything. that would be amazing. you would be so boring to be with, i imagine. you would be so boring to be with, i imatine. " . , , . imagine. analysing every single thint. m imagine. analysing every single thing- my family _ imagine. analysing every single thing. my family do _ imagine. analysing every single thing. my family do say - imagine. analysing every single thing. my family do say that - imagine. analysing every single thing. my family do say that on | thing. my family do say that on lanes. thing. my family do say that on planes- yeah. _ thing. my family do say that on planes. yeah, on _ thing. my family do say that on planes. yeah, on planes, - thing. my family do say that on i planes. yeah, on planes, tumulus nimbus there. _ planes. yeah, on planes, tumulus nimbus there. you _ planes. yeah, on planes, tumulus nimbus there. you know - planes. yeah, on planes, tumulus nimbus there. you know me - planes. yeah, on planes, tumulus nimbus there. you know me well. j planes. yeah, on planes, tumulusl nimbus there. you know me well. i will show you _ nimbus there. you know me well. i will show you some _ nimbus there. you know me well. i will show you some pictures - nimbus there. you know me well. i will show you some pictures of- will show you some pictures of clouds — will show you some pictures of clouds and a second. not many around for some _ clouds and a second. not many around for some this— clouds and a second. not many around for some. this is the scene a short while _ for some. this is the scene a short while ago — for some. this is the scene a short while ago in — for some. this is the scene a short while ago in cambridgeshire and st ives, _ while ago in cambridgeshire and st ives, looking fine for many over the next few _ ives, looking fine for many over the next few days and there will be a lot of— next few days and there will be a lot of warm, sunny weather around, still some _ lot of warm, sunny weather around, still some misty mornings and a little _ still some misty mornings and a little bit — still some misty mornings and a little bit of cloud and rain to get rid of— little bit of cloud and rain to get rid of in — little bit of cloud and rain to get rid of in scotland but as temperatures rise they are set to peak _ temperatures rise they are set to peak this— temperatures rise they are set to peak this weekend and these are the values _ peak this weekend and these are the values we _ peak this weekend and these are the values we expect, generally around 20 to— values we expect, generally around 20 to up— values we expect, generally around 20 to up to — values we expect, generally around 20 to up to 25 degrees and to put that in_ 20 to up to 25 degrees and to put that in perspective the early may averages— that in perspective the early may averages between 12 or 16 celsius so we could _ averages between 12 or 16 celsius so we could be eight or 9 degrees above that as _ we could be eight or 9 degrees above that as we _ we could be eight or 9 degrees above that as we go into the weekend. out there _ that as we go into the weekend. out there today— that as we go into the weekend. out there today we still have high pressure _ there today we still have high pressure just about in charge of all of us _ pressure just about in charge of all of us and _ pressure just about in charge of all of us and keeping things dry but you will see _ of us and keeping things dry but you will see on— of us and keeping things dry but you will see on the fringes we have weather— will see on the fringes we have weather fronts in scotland bringing outbreaks of rain and that is what is producing the cloud. this is the view— is producing the cloud. this is the view from — is producing the cloud. this is the view from space in the last of our and you _ view from space in the last of our and you can — view from space in the last of our and you can see where the cloud is. this is— and you can see where the cloud is. this is some — and you can see where the cloud is. this is some misty, low cloud and the irish— this is some misty, low cloud and the irish sea which could lap up into western areas but we start to see a _ into western areas but we start to see a few — into western areas but we start to see a few more breaks appear in the cloud _ see a few more breaks appear in the cloud and _ see a few more breaks appear in the cloud and more will appear as we go through— cloud and more will appear as we go through the — cloud and more will appear as we go through the day. the thickness of the cloud — through the day. the thickness of the cloud will remain in the far north— the cloud will remain in the far north of— the cloud will remain in the far north of scotland are mainly across the highlands and the western isles and quite _ the highlands and the western isles and quite a misty day with rain and drizzle _ and quite a misty day with rain and drizzle at— and quite a misty day with rain and drizzle at times and there is the chance — drizzle at times and there is the chance of— drizzle at times and there is the chance of some sea fog lapping onto the shores— chance of some sea fog lapping onto the shores of western parts of england — the shores of western parts of england and wales a confirmation that once — england and wales a confirmation that once the sun is out and temperatures higher than they were yesterday— temperatures higher than they were yesterday by a degree or so. overnight we stay dry and for most parts _ overnight we stay dry and for most parts of— overnight we stay dry and for most parts of the country, but still reign — parts of the country, but still reign in — parts of the country, but still reign in the north of scotland and heavy— reign in the north of scotland and heavy bursts for a while that will linger _ heavy bursts for a while that will linger into — heavy bursts for a while that will linger into shetland as we go into tomorrow— linger into shetland as we go into tomorrow morning but elsewhere some mist and _ tomorrow morning but elsewhere some mist and fog patches forming and temperatures really very similar to recent— temperatures really very similar to recent nights at around nine or 12 gelsius— recent nights at around nine or 12 celsius to — recent nights at around nine or 12 celsius to start your friday commute and it— celsius to start your friday commute and it will_ celsius to start your friday commute and it will be a lovely one for many with one _ and it will be a lovely one for many with one or— and it will be a lovely one for many with one or two mist and fog patches to watch _ with one or two mist and fog patches to watch out — with one or two mist and fog patches to watch out for, early rain in shetland _ to watch out for, early rain in shetland clears and that's almost it as far— shetland clears and that's almost it as far as— shetland clears and that's almost it as far as rain is concerned tomorrow, just a small chance as cloud _ tomorrow, just a small chance as cloud builds up across england of an isolated _ cloud builds up across england of an isolated light shower but for the vast majority we are talking 99%, it will be _ vast majority we are talking 99%, it will be dry — vast majority we are talking 99%, it will be dry tomorrow and the temperatures continue to rise with strong _ temperatures continue to rise with strong sunshine overhead as it will be over— strong sunshine overhead as it will be over the — strong sunshine overhead as it will be over the weekend, high pressure to begin _ be over the weekend, high pressure to begin with but there will be changes— to begin with but there will be changes in the second half and as it shifts— changes in the second half and as it shifts away— changes in the second half and as it shifts away areas of the weather and push their— shifts away areas of the weather and push their way in. the prospects for saturday— push their way in. the prospects for saturday for — push their way in. the prospects for saturday for a small, dry, a lot more _ saturday for a small, dry, a lot more sunshine for the vast majority and we _ more sunshine for the vast majority and we might see some low cloud around _ and we might see some low cloud around eastern coast, southern scotland — around eastern coast, southern scotland and northern england a chance _ scotland and northern england a chance of— scotland and northern england a chance of a heavy shower later in the day _ chance of a heavy shower later in the day but — chance of a heavy shower later in the day but this is where we could see temperatures more widely around 20 or 23— see temperatures more widely around 20 or 23 or— see temperatures more widely around 20 or 23 or 24 degrees. sunday will be warm _ 20 or 23 or 24 degrees. sunday will be warm again across eastern areas but it _ be warm again across eastern areas but it is— be warm again across eastern areas but it is a _ be warm again across eastern areas but it is a day of change. after a sunny— but it is a day of change. after a sunny start _ but it is a day of change. after a sunny start we could see showers and thunderstorms develop in the south and west— thunderstorms develop in the south and west although some will avoid them _ and west although some will avoid them altogether and stay pretty warm before _ them altogether and stay pretty warm before things turned more normal next week — before things turned more normal next week. | before things turned more normal next week. .. before things turned more normal next week-— next week. i quite like the abnormal. _ next week. i quite like the abnormal. i— next week. i quite like the abnormal. ifeel— next week. i quite like the abnormal. i feel like - next week. i quite like the abnormal. i feel like we i next week. i quite like the i abnormal. i feel like we need next week. i quite like the - abnormal. i feel like we need it. we needed a break. _ abnormal. i feel like we need it. we needed a break. absolutely. - abnormal. i feel like we need it. we needed a break. absolutely. thanks very much- — more than three decades after the release of her debut single “dreams“ that shot her to stardom, multi award winning artist gabrielle is back with a new album. not only that, she's hitting the road next year for what will be her biggest ever uk tour. before we speak to gabrielle, lets have a listen to some of her greatest hits. # dreams can come true # look at me babe, i'm with you # you know you gotta have hope # you know you gotta be strong # dreams can come true. # look at me babe, i'm with you. # look at my life # look at my heart # i have seen them fall apart # now i'm ready to rise again. # out of reach # so far # i never had your heart # out of reach. # and if you ever fall in love again # you must make sure that the lady is a friend # and if you ever fall in love so true # you must be sure that she feels the same way too.# and gabriellejoins us now. good morning to you. you are pointing at the screen going, all, look at me. pointing at the screen going, all, look at me— pointing at the screen going, all, look at me. ., �* ., ., , ., look at me. seeing brian harvey and heafint look at me. seeing brian harvey and hearing that — look at me. seeing brian harvey and hearing that song. _ look at me. seeing brian harvey and hearing that song. remind - look at me. seeing brian harvey and hearing that song. remind us - look at me. seeing brian harvey and hearing that song. remind us of - look at me. seeing brian harvey and l hearing that song. remind us of what that was. hearing that song. remind us of what that was- the — hearing that song. remind us of what that was. the year _ hearing that song. remind us of what that was. the year was _ hearing that song. remind us of what that was. the year was probably - that was. the year was probably about 1996 _ that was. the year was probably about 1996 or _ that was. the year was probably about 1996 or 97, _ that was. the year was probably about 1996 or 97, because - that was. the year was probably about 1996 or 97, because my i that was. the year was probably i about 1996 or 97, because my son that was. the year was probably - about 1996 or 97, because my son was very smalt _ about 1996 or 97, because my son was ve small. ~ . . about 1996 or 97, because my son was ve small. . . , ., , very small. what is the memory around that? _ very small. what is the memory around that? good _ very small. what is the memory around that? good times? - very small. what is the memory around that? good times? fun i very small. what is the memory - around that? good times? fun times. it was m around that? good times? fun times. it was my first — around that? good times? fun times. it was my first time _ around that? good times? fun times. it was my first time doing _ around that? good times? fun times. it was my first time doing a _ it was my first time doing a collaboration and basically hitting the charge. collaboration and basically hitting the charte. .. the charge. how did the collaboration _ the charge. how did the collaboration come - the charge. how did the i collaboration come about? the charge. how did the - collaboration come about? it the charge. how did the _ collaboration come about? it wasn't m self, it collaboration come about? it wasn't myself. it was _ collaboration come about? it wasn't myself, it was something _ collaboration come about? it wasn't myself, it was something to - collaboration come about? it wasn't myself, it was something to do - collaboration come about? it wasn'tj myself, it was something to do with a record _ myself, it was something to do with a record company and we were doing something _ a record company and we were doing something in france, and it was a show— something in france, and it was a show that— something in france, and it was a show that allowed you to only do collaborations so brian had been singing _ collaborations so brian had been singing the cover song of a shy track— singing the cover song of a shy track and — singing the cover song of a shy track and we said how about doing it together— track and we said how about doing it together and we went into the studio separately— together and we went into the studio separately and heed his his vocal separately, and we did it, and people — separately, and we did it, and people were so responsive and it was so well— people were so responsive and it was so well received. my son will be embarrassed, but he never knew that was a _ embarrassed, but he never knew that was a cover~ — embarrassed, but he never knew that was a cover. and i was like, how did you not— was a cover. and i was like, how did you not know— was a cover. and i was like, how did you not know that.— was a cover. and i was like, how did you not know that. there are so many tteole like you not know that. there are so many people like that- _ you not know that. there are so many people like that. does _ you not know that. there are so many people like that. does your _ you not know that. there are so many people like that. does your son - you not know that. there are so many people like that. does your son like i people like that. does your son like your music now? mi; people like that. does your son like your music now?— your music now? my son loves my music. your music now? my son loves my music- he — your music now? my son loves my music. he will— your music now? my son loves my music. he will play _ your music now? my son loves my music. he will play pranks - your music now? my son loves my music. he will play pranks on - your music now? my son loves my music. he will play pranks on mel your music now? my son loves my i music. he will play pranks on me and come _ music. he will play pranks on me and come to— music. he will play pranks on me and come to shows and i don't know he's coming _ come to shows and i don't know he's coming and — come to shows and i don't know he's coming and reach out and touch you, and i_ coming and reach out and touch you, and i get _ coming and reach out and touch you, and i get this— coming and reach out and touch you, and i get this hand that doesn't want _ and i get this hand that doesn't want to— and i get this hand that doesn't want to let go, and it is him. it's funny _ want to let go, and it is him. it's funny he — want to let go, and it is him. it's funny. he pranks me all the time. you have — funny. he pranks me all the time. you have some new music out and we can listen to some of that now. music continues i always think, when you are on stage, you are so they are. there is a presence. did you know you had that at the start? i a presence. did you know you had that at the start?— that at the start? i never knew it. all i ever wanted _ that at the start? i never knew it. all i ever wanted to _ that at the start? i never knew it. all i ever wanted to do _ that at the start? i never knew it. all i ever wanted to do was - that at the start? i never knew it. all i ever wanted to do was sing i that at the start? i never knew it. i all i ever wanted to do was sing and the fact— all i ever wanted to do was sing and the fact i_ all i ever wanted to do was sing and the fact i am still here 31 years later. — the fact i am still here 31 years later. i'm _ the fact i am still here 31 years later, i'mjust happy the fact i am still here 31 years later, i'm just happy that when people — later, i'm just happy that when people come and they wait for me to come _ people come and they wait for me to come on _ people come and they wait for me to come on stage, it's the highlight of my life _ come on stage, it's the highlight of m life. ., . . come on stage, it's the highlight of m life. ., .,, ,. come on stage, it's the highlight of m life. ., .,. come on stage, it's the highlight of m life. ., .., my life. how has your voice changed in 31 years? — my life. how has your voice changed in 31 years? 31— my life. how has your voice changed in 31 years? 31 years _ my life. how has your voice changed in 31 years? 31 years ago _ my life. how has your voice changed in 31 years? 31 years ago my - my life. how has your voice changed in 31 years? 31 years ago my voice i in 31 years? 31 years ago my voice was higher. _ in 31 years? 31 years ago my voice was higher, sweeter, _ in 31 years? 31 years ago my voice was higher, sweeter, and - in 31 years? 31 years ago my voice was higher, sweeter, and that - in 31 years? 31 years ago my voice was higher, sweeter, and that is i was higher, sweeter, and that is quite _ was higher, sweeter, and that is quite rough and gruffly now but i like it _ quite rough and gruffly now but i like it because it has deepened with a-e like it because it has deepened with age and _ like it because it has deepened with age and i_ like it because it has deepened with age and i loved that. you sound richer. — age and i loved that. you sound richer. so— age and i loved that. you sound richer. so i_ age and i loved that. you sound richer, so i am told. it age and i loved that. you sound richer, so i am told.— richer, so i am told. it has experience _ richer, so i am told. it has experience behind - richer, so i am told. it has experience behind it. - richer, so i am told. it has| experience behind it. when richer, so i am told. it has - experience behind it. when you look at the music industry now because you just released a new album and the new song being released tomorrow, when music is released now, do you look back and think it is so different. you now, do you look back and think it is so different.— now, do you look back and think it is so different. you know something, it's so different, _ is so different. you know something, it's so different, although _ is so different. you know something, it's so different, although i _ is so different. you know something, it's so different, although i try - it's so different, although i try not to— it's so different, although i try not to look back but sometimes you look back— not to look back but sometimes you look back with nostalgia and think it is so— look back with nostalgia and think it is so different now but you have to go _ it is so different now but you have to go with — it is so different now but you have to go with the flow. do it is so different now but you have to go with the flow.— it is so different now but you have to go with the flow. do you think it is easier now _ to go with the flow. do you think it is easier now to _ to go with the flow. do you think it is easier now to be _ to go with the flow. do you think it is easier now to be heard - is easier now to be heard considering how much access there is now compared to way back when. i would say a lot easier. in terms of being _ would say a lot easier. in terms of being a _ would say a lot easier. in terms of being a musician, the forums of which _ being a musician, the forums of which youngsters, unknowns, can release _ which youngsters, unknowns, can release something and have their own channel— release something and have their own channel via _ release something and have their own channel via youtube and release something that goes viral all around the world. _ something that goes viral all around the world, come on, record companies in the _ the world, come on, record companies in the olden _ the world, come on, record companies in the olden days they would have had to _ in the olden days they would have had to pay— in the olden days they would have had to pay for that exposure. now without _ had to pay for that exposure. now without paying a registration fee, 'ust without paying a registration fee, just that — without paying a registration fee, just that for your talent, you can upload _ just that for your talent, you can upload and — just that for your talent, you can upload and sometimes you are viral in seconds — upload and sometimes you are viral in seconds or in a day so record companies _ in seconds or in a day so record companies are running scared, you know— companies are running scared, you know what— companies are running scared, you know what i— companies are running scared, you know what i mean?— companies are running scared, you know what i mean? gabrielle, mums are wise, know what i mean? gabrielle, mums are wise. i'm — know what i mean? gabrielle, mums are wise. i'm going _ know what i mean? gabrielle, mums are wise, i'm going to _ know what i mean? gabrielle, mums are wise, i'm going to trapping -- i are wise, i'm going to trapping —— fall into the trap that your mum set that people always ask you about the eye patch and when you first wore it, your mum said, they are always going to ask you about this and i'm going to ask you about this and i'm going to ask you about this and i'm going to do it now, because people have been intrigued over the years. because you stopped using the eye patch. i because you stopped using the eye tatch. ., , ., ., ., , ., ~y patch. i only wore it for a year. my mum's concerned _ patch. i only wore it for a year. my mum's concerned was _ patch. i only wore it for a year. my mum's concerned was i _ patch. i only wore it for a year. my mum's concerned was i was - patch. i only wore it for a year. my i mum's concerned was i was bringing more _ mum's concerned was i was bringing more attention to the fact that i had something wrong with my eyelid but the _ had something wrong with my eyelid but the moment i wore the eye patch i felt empowered. i would have conversations with people and because — conversations with people and because of my embarrassment with my lazy eye. _ because of my embarrassment with my lazy eye. i— because of my embarrassment with my lazy eye, i would look everywhere but not _ lazy eye, i would look everywhere but not you — lazy eye, i would look everywhere but not you in the eye and it was a running _ but not you in the eye and it was a running joke — but not you in the eye and it was a running joke around people but the moment— running joke around people but the moment i_ running joke around people but the moment i put on the eye patch i felt empowered and i could hold eye contact — empowered and i could hold eye contact with you and look you in the eye and _ contact with you and look you in the eye and feel confident and comfortable. and that for me was an amazing _ comfortable. and that for me was an amazing thing and very liberating, so yes. _ amazing thing and very liberating, so yes. my— amazing thing and very liberating, so yes, my mum was concerned, but it did a _ so yes, my mum was concerned, but it did a hell— so yes, my mum was concerned, but it did a hell of— so yes, my mum was concerned, but it did a hell ofa— so yes, my mum was concerned, but it did a hell of a lot of good, and although— did a hell of a lot of good, and although it was for one year i am no torea _ although it was for one year i am no torea so _ although it was for one year i am no torea so covering my eyes. i don't mind. _ torea so covering my eyes. i don't mind. this — torea so covering my eyes. i don't mind. this is — torea so covering my eyes. i don't mind, this is who i am. i'm not shy of talking— mind, this is who i am. i'm not shy of talking about my eyelid and i hope _ of talking about my eyelid and i hope i've — of talking about my eyelid and i hope i've inspired people with things— hope i've inspired people with things wrong related to their eyes that they— things wrong related to their eyes that they can be themselves, and 'ust that they can be themselves, and just be _ that they can be themselves, and just be you. that they can be themselves, and just be you-— just be you. that's a very good toint. just be you. that's a very good point- have — just be you. that's a very good point. have you _ just be you. that's a very good point. have you had _ just be you. that's a very good point. have you had reaction i just be you. that's a very good i point. have you had reaction from people? point. have you had reaction from tteole? ., point. have you had reaction from ateole? ., ., point. have you had reaction from tteole? ., ., ., people? from the get go. i had tarents, people? from the get go. i had parents, sometimes _ people? from the get go. i had parents, sometimes they - people? from the get go. i had| parents, sometimes they might people? from the get go. i had - parents, sometimes they might have had to— parents, sometimes they might have had to wear— parents, sometimes they might have had to wear an eye patch temporarily, and oh my god, you've been _ temporarily, and oh my god, you've been a _ temporarily, and oh my god, you've been a breath of fresh air because i have a _ been a breath of fresh air because i have a child — been a breath of fresh air because i have a child and you are wearing an eye patch— have a child and you are wearing an eye patch on— have a child and you are wearing an eye patch on tv and that almost made them feel— eye patch on tv and that almost made them feel a _ eye patch on tv and that almost made them feel a bit cooler, so i loved that _ them feel a bit cooler, so i loved that if— them feel a bit cooler, so i loved that if i— them feel a bit cooler, so i loved that if i can _ them feel a bit cooler, so i loved that. if i can achieve something, one of— that. if i can achieve something, one of the — that. if i can achieve something, one of the things, that is amazing, to find _ one of the things, that is amazing, to find people feel liberated. you are touring. _ to find people feel liberated. you are touring, and _ to find people feel liberated. ii'tvi. are touring, and you are touring with sir tom jones. are you going to sing anything together? i wish. your two voices together would be pretty astounding. i two voices together would be pretty astoundint. .. two voices together would be pretty astoundint. ~' ., , astounding. i think it would be incredible. _ astounding. i think it would be incredible. i— astounding. i think it would be incredible. i am _ astounding. i think it would be incredible. i am not _ astounding. i think it would be incredible. i am not that - astounding. i think it would be i incredible. i am not that pushy. astounding. i think it would be - incredible. i am not that pushy. be. pushy. incredible. i am not that pushy. be pushy- i'm — incredible. i am not that pushy. be pushy- i'm really — incredible. i am not that pushy. be pushy. i'm really excited _ incredible. i am not that pushy. be pushy. i'm really excited just - incredible. i am not that pushy. be pushy. i'm really excited just to i incredible. i am not that pushy. be pushy. i'm really excited just to bej pushy. i'm really excited 'ust to be able to pushy. i'm really excited 'ust to be apie te — pushy. i'm really excited 'ust to be able to see him h pushy. i'm really excited 'ust to be able to see him singing _ pushy. i'm really excited just to be able to see him singing in - pushy. i'm really excited just to be able to see him singing in person. | able to see him singing in person. all these — able to see him singing in person. all these years i've only ever seen him on _ all these years i've only ever seen him on the — all these years i've only ever seen him on the telly, but i know he is outstanding, and his voice is a mega monster— outstanding, and his voice is a mega monster of— outstanding, and his voice is a mega monster of a — outstanding, and his voice is a mega monster of a voice and just to be able _ monster of a voice and just to be able to— monster of a voice and just to be able to grace the stage that he will be on _ able to grace the stage that he will be on later on i am scared and i don't _ be on later on i am scared and i don't think— be on later on i am scared and i don't think i_ be on later on i am scared and i don't think i would push it but come on, don't think i would push it but come on. sir— don't think i would push it but come on. sir tom — don't think i would push it but come on, sirtomjones. mai; don't think i would push it but come on, sir tom jones.— don't think i would push it but come on, sir tom jones. may be backstage after the show. _ on, sir tom jones. may be backstage after the show, you _ on, sir tom jones. may be backstage after the show, you could _ on, sir tom jones. may be backstage after the show, you could do - after the show, you could do something together a cappella, just the two of you? you“ve something together a cappella, just the two of you? you've got to try. it would be nice but i'm a scaredy cat. it would be nice but i'm a scaredy cat i_ it would be nice but i'm a scaredy cat i like — it would be nice but i'm a scaredy cat i like to — it would be nice but i'm a scaredy cat. i like to be full on but sometimes i would be humbled and that will— sometimes i would be humbled and that will be one of those times, because — that will be one of those times, because he is sir tom jones. an amazint because he is sir tom jones. sift amazing welshman. gabrielle always lovely talking to you. gabrielle“s new album is called “a place in your heart“. stay with us, headlines coming up. live from london, this is bbc news. president biden warns israel the us will stop supplying some weapons if it launches a major ground invasion in rafah. so keir starmerfaces so keir starmer faces criticism from some of his own backbenchers for allowing a conservative mp to join his labour party. putin addresses russia's victory day military parade, justifying its war on ukraine, saying russia is living through a difficult period. new analysis shows more than 1,700 people in the uk could be living with undiagnosed hepatitis c — after receiving contaminated blood transfusions decades ago. tight security at eurovision with organisers preparing for protests as israel's entry takes to the stage. welcome to the programme. we begin with the war in gaza — president biden has said the us will not supply heavy weapons to israel which could be used in a major assault on rafah in southern gaza. the president says munitions will be sent that allow israel to defend itself, but that the country would not keep washington's support if it carried out operations in densely populated areas. israel's envoy to the united nations said mr biden“s remarks were “disappointing“ and that a pause in the transfer of weapons will significantly impair israel's ability to achieve military objectives. more on that in a moment, but first here's more of what president biden said. civilians have been killed in gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centres.