make money, but not at the expense of people's feelings. it's a symbol of people's feelings. it's a symbol of corporate culture we have in this country now. they think they can get away with anything and they think they can force anything down our throats. ~ , . they can force anything down our throats. g . , , ., throats. myra in banbury, do you auree? throats. myra in banbury, do you agree? yes. _ throats. myra in banbury, do you agree? yes. i— throats. myra in banbury, do you agree? yes, i agree _ throats. myra in banbury, do you agree? yes, i agree with - throats. myra in banbury, do you agree? yes, i agree with steve. l throats. myra in banbury, do you i agree? yes, i agree with steve. my cuestion agree? yes, i agree with steve. my question when _ agree? yes, i agree with steve. my question when i _ agree? yes, i agree with steve. my question when i texted _ agree? yes, i agree with steve. my question when i texted him, - agree? yes, i agree with steve. my question when i texted him, was, l question when i texted him, was, with the _ question when i texted him, was, with the americans like their flag to he _ with the americans like their flag to be made out of green, red and pink? _ to be made out of green, red and pink? there — to be made out of green, red and pink? there would be an uproar, because — pink? there would be an uproar, because they are very proud of their stars _ because they are very proud of their stars and _ because they are very proud of their stars and stripes. and because they are very proud of their stars and stripes.— stars and stripes. and nike are very roud of stars and stripes. and nike are very proud of their— stars and stripes. and nike are very proud of their logo. _ stars and stripes. and nike are very proud of their logo. they _ stars and stripes. and nike are very proud of their logo. they wouldn't l proud of their logo. they wouldn't allow you to start playing about with that. ~ , ., allow you to start playing about with that. ~ , . ., , with that. myra, are we getting this out of proportion? _ with that. myra, are we getting this out of proportion? i _ with that. myra, are we getting this out of proportion? i don't _ with that. myra, are we getting this out of proportion? i don't think - with that. myra, are we getting this out of proportion? i don't think so. | out of proportion? i don't think so. let me sneak. _ out of proportion? i don't think so. let me speak, because _ out of proportion? i don't think so. let me speak, because i'm - out of proportion? i don't think so. | let me speak, because i'm running out of— let me speak, because i'm running out of battery. i don't think it's out of battery. i don't think it's out of— out of battery. i don't think it's out of proportion. i don't think anybody— out of proportion. i don't think anybody should support england with them playing in those shirts, to be honest _ them playing in those shirts, to be honest. they should go back and say we want _ honest. they should go back and say we want white, with a red cross. like _ we want white, with a red cross. like steve — we want white, with a red cross. like steve said, my father and grandfather fought in the first and second _ grandfather fought in the first and second world war. they were proud to do so _ second world war. they were proud to do so i_ second world war. they were proud to do so i am _ second world war. they were proud to do so. i am proud to put the st george's— do so. i am proud to put the st george's day flag up. i would not want _ george's day flag up. i would not want to— george's day flag up. i would not want to see the flag looking like that ghastly thing. it looks like something out of disneyland. and this rubbish about, it's a nod to 1966? — this rubbish about, it's a nod to 1966? ., ., ., .,, _, ~ this rubbish about, it's a nod to 1966? ., ., ., ~ , 1966? total hogwash, you think. they wind ou 1966? total hogwash, you think. they wind you are — 1966? total hogwash, you think. they wind you are in _ 1966? total hogwash, you think. they wind you are in would _ 1966? total hogwash, you think. they wind you are in would take _ 1966? total hogwash, you think. they wind you are in would take a - 1966? total hogwash, you think. they wind you are in would take a flag - 1966? total hogwash, you think. they wind you are in would take a flag to i wind you are in would take a flag to a proud flourish. i’m wind you are in would take a flag to a proud flourish.— a proud flourish. i'm actually very hiuh u- a proud flourish. i'm actually very high up with _ a proud flourish. i'm actually very high up with the _ a proud flourish. i'm actually very high up with the dogs. _ a proud flourish. i'm actually very high up with the dogs. lovely, . a proud flourish. i'm actually very high up with the dogs. lovely, i. high up with the dogs. lovely, i wish i was _ high up with the dogs. lovely, i wish i was with _ high up with the dogs. lovely, i wish i was with you. _ high up with the dogs. lovely, i wish i was with you. but - high up with the dogs. lovely, i wish i was with you. but the - high up with the dogs. lovely, i| wish i was with you. but the cost high up with the dogs. lovely, i. wish i was with you. but the cost is disgusting- — wish i was with you. but the cost is disgusting- it's _ wish i was with you. but the cost is disgusting. it's out _ wish i was with you. but the cost is disgusting. it's out of _ wish i was with you. but the cost is disgusting. it's out of the - wish i was with you. but the cost is disgusting. it's out of the reach - wish i was with you. but the cost is disgusting. it's out of the reach of| disgusting. it's out of the reach of normat— disgusting. it's out of the reach of normal people. stay disgusting. it's out of the reach of normal people-— normal people. stay there if your battery will _ normal people. stay there if your battery will bear _ normal people. stay there if your battery will bear it, _ normal people. stay there if your battery will bear it, because - normal people. stay there if your battery will bear it, because i - normal people. stay there if your | battery will bear it, because i want you to hear rosemary in worthing. what do you think? i you to hear rosemary in worthing. what do you think?— you to hear rosemary in worthing. what do you think? i was disgusted when i heard- _ what do you think? i was disgusted when i heard. we _ what do you think? i was disgusted when i heard. we are _ what do you think? i was disgusted when i heard. we are going - what do you think? i was disgusted | when i heard. we are going through two bereavements _ when i heard. we are going through two bereavements at _ when i heard. we are going through two bereavements at the _ when i heard. we are going through two bereavements at the moment l when i heard. we are going through. two bereavements at the moment and this was— two bereavements at the moment and this was the _ two bereavements at the moment and this was the final _ two bereavements at the moment and this was the final icing _ two bereavements at the moment and this was the final icing on _ two bereavements at the moment and this was the final icing on the - two bereavements at the moment and this was the final icing on the cake - this was the final icing on the cake for us _ this was the final icing on the cake for us i_ this was the final icing on the cake for us icome— this was the final icing on the cake for us. i come from _ this was the final icing on the cake for us. i come from a _ this was the final icing on the cake for us. i come from a proud - this was the final icing on the cakel for us. i come from a proud nation, and i_ for us. i come from a proud nation, and i am _ for us. i come from a proud nation, and i am english _ for us. i come from a proud nation, and i am english. i— for us. i come from a proud nation, and i am english. i am _ for us. i come from a proud nation, and i am english. i am also- for us. i come from a proud nation, and i am english. i am also proud l for us. i come from a proud nation, | and i am english. i am also proud to be part— and i am english. i am also proud to be part of— and i am english. i am also proud to be part of the — and i am english. i am also proud to be part of the uk. _ and i am english. i am also proud to be part of the uk. the _ and i am english. i am also proud to be part of the uk. the george - and i am english. i am also proud to be part of the uk. the george cross| be part of the uk. the george cross is the _ be part of the uk. the george cross is the centre — be part of the uk. the george cross is the centre part _ be part of the uk. the george cross is the centre part of— be part of the uk. the george cross is the centre part of this _ be part of the uk. the george cross is the centre part of this flag. - is the centre part of this flag. people — is the centre part of this flag. people are _ is the centre part of this flag. people are ignoring _ is the centre part of this flag. people are ignoring the - is the centre part of this flag. people are ignoring the fact l is the centre part of this flag. i people are ignoring the fact that is the centre part of this flag. - people are ignoring the fact that it represents— people are ignoring the fact that it represents the _ people are ignoring the fact that it represents the united _ people are ignoring the fact that it represents the united kingdom. . people are ignoring the fact that it. represents the united kingdom. does it? the design — represents the united kingdom. does it? the design of— represents the united kingdom. does it? the design of the _ represents the united kingdom. it? the design of the unionjack, as others would say, it's like the design of the london underground map. it's a design triumph. when was it done? 18th century, whatever. it's brilliant. but it's a melding of flags. it's the st andrew's cross and the st george's cross. the st george's cross does not represent the whole of the uk, it represents england. i’m the whole of the uk, it represents encland. �* ., ., , �* england. i'm not saying it does. i'm sa in: i england. i'm not saying it does. i'm saying i am — england. i'm not saying it does. i'm saying i am proud — england. i'm not saying it does. i'm saying i am proud of— england. i'm not saying it does. i'm saying i am proud of the _ england. i'm not saying it does. i'm saying i am proud of the st - england. i'm not saying it does. i'm| saying i am proud of the st george's cross, _ saying i am proud of the st george's cross, whith— saying i am proud of the st george's cross, which is— saying i am proud of the st george's cross, which is also _ saying i am proud of the st george's cross, which is also represented - cross, which is also represented within— cross, which is also represented within the — cross, which is also represented within the union _ cross, which is also represented within the unionjack. _ cross, which is also represented within the unionjack. and - cross, which is also represented within the unionjack. and for. cross, which is also represented . within the unionjack. and for me, when _ within the unionjack. and for me, when one — within the unionjack. and for me, when one changes _ within the unionjack. and for me, when one changes the _ within the unionjack. and for me, when one changes the colour- within the unionjack. and for me, when one changes the colour of. within the unionjack. and for me, i when one changes the colour of one's nation's _ when one changes the colour of one's nation's flag, — when one changes the colour of one's nation's flag, which _ when one changes the colour of one's nation's flag, which is _ nation's flag, which is representational- nation's flag, which is representational of. nation's flag, which isi representational of the nation's flag, which is - representational of the union, nation's flag, which is _ representational of the union, you are going — representational of the union, you are going one _ representational of the union, you are going one step _ representational of the union, you are going one step to— representational of the union, you are going one step to nationalisml are going one step to nationalism and getting — are going one step to nationalism and getting rid _ are going one step to nationalism and getting rid of— are going one step to nationalism and getting rid of the _ are going one step to nationalism and getting rid of the monarchy. are going one step to nationalism| and getting rid of the monarchy in my opinioh — and getting rid of the monarchy in my opinion-— and getting rid of the monarchy in m oinion. ~ ., ., _ my opinion. what? run that by me aaain in my opinion. what? run that by me again in the — my opinion. what? run that by me again in the second. _ my opinion. what? run that by me again in the second. if _ my opinion. what? run that by me again in the second. if you - my opinion. what? run that by me again in the second. if you love - again in the second. if you love this kit, text me or call me. we need to hear other views. we are not editing here. we are hearing what people say was that a lot of people are angry about this. what was that about the royal family?— about the royal family? when one chances about the royal family? when one changes the _ about the royal family? when one changes the st _ about the royal family? when one changes the st george's _ about the royal family? when one changes the st george's cross - about the royal family? when one i changes the st george's cross which is represented — changes the st george's cross which is represented both— changes the st george's cross which is represented both in— changes the st george's cross which is represented both in itself- changes the st george's cross which is represented both in itself and - changes the st george's cross which is represented both in itself and as l is represented both in itself and as part of— is represented both in itself and as part of the — is represented both in itself and as part of the union, _ is represented both in itself and as part of the union, one _ is represented both in itself and as part of the union, one is— is represented both in itself and asl part of the union, one is ultimately trying _ part of the union, one is ultimately trying to— part of the union, one is ultimately trying to disassemble _ part of the union, one is ultimately trying to disassemble all— part of the union, one is ultimately trying to disassemble all the - part of the union, one is ultimatelyl trying to disassemble all the parts. the cottage — trying to disassemble all the parts. the cottage voted _ trying to disassemble all the parts. the cottage voted on _ trying to disassemble all the parts. the cottage voted on it _ trying to disassemble all the parts. the cottage voted on it and - trying to disassemble all the parts. the cottage voted on it and they. the cottage voted on it and they want _ the cottage voted on it and they want to — the cottage voted on it and they want to he — the cottage voted on it and they want to be part _ the cottage voted on it and they want to be part of _ the cottage voted on it and they want to be part of it. _ the cottage voted on it and they want to be part of it. only- the cottage voted on it and they want to be part of it. onlyjust, i want to be part of it. onlyjust, but they— want to be part of it. onlyjust, but they do— want to be part of it. onlyjust, but they do -- _ want to be part of it. onlyjust, but they do —— the _ want to be part of it. onlyjust, but they do —— the scottish - want to be part of it. onlyjust, l but they do —— the scottish voted want to be part of it. onlyjust, - but they do —— the scottish voted on it. but they do —— the scottish voted on it we _ but they do —— the scottish voted on it we are _ but they do —— the scottish voted on it. we are forgetting _ but they do —— the scottish voted on it. we are forgetting the _ but they do —— the scottish voted on it. we are forgetting the love - but they do —— the scottish voted on it. we are forgetting the love of- it. we are forgetting the love of the nation — it. we are forgetting the love of the nation to— it. we are forgetting the love of the nation to let _ it. we are forgetting the love ofl the nation to let commercialism reigh _ the nation to let commercialism reigh you — the nation to let commercialism reigh you know— the nation to let commercialism reign. you know who _ the nation to let commercialism reign. you know who i- the nation to let commercialism reign. you know who i think- the nation to let commercialism i reign. you know who i think should have _ reign. you know who i think should have been— reign. you know who i think should have been asked? _ reign. you know who i think should have been asked? the _ reign. you know who i think should have been asked? the king. - reign. you know who i think should have been asked? the king. the i reign. you know who i think should have been asked? the king. the king? yes, have been asked? the king. the king? yes. because — have been asked? the king. the king? yes, because ultimately, _ have been asked? the king. the king? yes, because ultimately, the _ have been asked? the king. the king? yes, because ultimately, the st - yes, because ultimately, the st george's— yes, because ultimately, the st george's cross _ yes, because ultimately, the st george's cross represents - yes, because ultimately, the st george's cross represents the l yes, because ultimately, the st - george's cross represents the nation which _ george's cross represents the nation which he _ george's cross represents the nation which he is _ george's cross represents the nation which he is king _ george's cross represents the nation which he is king of. _ george's cross represents the nation which he is king of. they— george's cross represents the nation which he is king of. they are - which he is king of. they are disrespecting _ which he is king of. they are disrespecting his— which he is king of. they are disrespecting his flag. - you think this is an assault not just on your identity, but on the fabric of the nation?— fabric of the nation? they are t in: to fabric of the nation? they are trying to say _ fabric of the nation? they are trying to say the _ fabric of the nation? they are trying to say the flag - fabric of the nation? they are trying to say the flag means i trying to say the flag means nothing. they think they can do what the hell they want with it. it demeans what that flag means to everybody. it might not appear to some corporate idiot in america who designed this, but it means a lot to a lot of people. let designed this, but it means a lot to a lot of people-— a lot of people. let me rewind you of what they _ a lot of people. let me rewind you of what they said _ a lot of people. let me rewind you of what they said that _ a lot of people. let me rewind you of what they said that might - a lot of people. let me rewind you | of what they said that might remind you of what they said. robert in manchester, sorry to keep you. we will hear you in a second. this is the twitter post from the nike launch. i don't think steve and rosemary are going to like it. i read it earlier, but for anyone joining us, i won't do it in an american accent. "the new england 2024 national team kits celebrate football heroes of the past with a modern twist, a playful update to the cross of st george appears on the cross of st george appears on the collar to unite and inspire. graphic panels on the away kit pay homage to forward—thinking fashionistas. the trim on the cuffs takes its cue from training gear worn by english legends". graphic panels pay homage to forward—thinking fashionistas? are you a forward—thinking fashionista, robert? i you a forward-thinking fashionista, robert? .., �* you a forward-thinking fashionista, robert? �* , robert? i can't see the justification. _ robert? i can't see the justification. i- robert? i can't see the justification. i am - robert? i can't see the justification. i am not i robert? i can't see the - justification. i am not born and lnought— justification. i am not born and hrought up— justification. i am not born and brought up here, _ justification. i am not born and brought up here, but - justification. i am not born and brought up here, but now- justification. i am not born and brought up here, but now i- justification. i am not born and brought up here, but now i amj justification. i am not born and i brought up here, but now i am a british— brought up here, but now i am a british citizen. _ brought up here, but now i am a british citizen. i— brought up here, but now i am a british citizen. i come _ brought up here, but now i am a british citizen. i come from - brought up here, but now i am ai british citizen. i come from india. in my— british citizen. i come from india. in my opinion, _ british citizen. i come from india. in my opinion, the _ british citizen. i come from india. in my opinion, the flag _ british citizen. i come from india. | in my opinion, the flag represents history _ in my opinion, the flag represents history i— in my opinion, the flag represents history i love _ in my opinion, the flag represents history. i love football— in my opinion, the flag represents history. i love football as - in my opinion, the flag represents history. i love football as well. - history. i love football as well. changing — history. i love football as well. changing the _ history. i love football as well. changing the flag _ history. i love football as well. changing the flag is _ history. i love football as well. j changing the flag is ridiculous, because — changing the flag is ridiculous, because it _ changing the flag is ridiculous, because it represents- changing the flag is ridiculous, because it represents the - changing the flag is ridiculous, . because it represents the history and heritage _ because it represents the history and heritage and _ because it represents the history and heritage and there _ because it represents the history and heritage and there is - because it represents the history and heritage and there is no - because it represents the history and heritage and there is no way| because it represents the history- and heritage and there is no way you should _ and heritage and there is no way you should change — and heritage and there is no way you should change that. _ and heritage and there is no way you should change that. whatever- and heritage and there is no way youl should change that. whatever graphic design _ should change that. whatever graphic design stuff _ should change that. whatever graphic design stuff is — should change that. whatever graphic design stuff is said, _ should change that. whatever graphic design stuff is said, i— should change that. whatever graphic design stuff is said, i know— should change that. whatever graphic design stuff is said, i know it- should change that. whatever graphic design stuff is said, i know it can - design stuff is said, i know it can be design stuff is said, i know it can he done — design stuff is said, i know it can he done on — design stuff is said, i know it can be done on the _ design stuff is said, i know it can be done on the t—shirts, - design stuff is said, i know it can be done on the t—shirts, but- design stuff is said, i know it can be done on the t—shirts, but not| design stuff is said, i know it can i be done on the t—shirts, but not on the flag _ be done on the t-shirts, but not on the flat. . ~' be done on the t-shirts, but not on the flat. ., ~ i. ., be done on the t-shirts, but not on the fla., ., ~ ,, ., ,, the flag. thank you for your opinion- — the flag. thank you for your opinion- i — the flag. thank you for your opinion. i want _ the flag. thank you for your opinion. i want you - the flag. thank you for your opinion. i want you to - the flag. thank you for your| opinion. i want you to listen the flag. thank you for your i opinion. i want you to listen to brad in manchester and tell him what you think. brad, good morning. your considered thoughts? i you think. brad, good morning. your considered thoughts?— considered thoughts? i think people need to net considered thoughts? i think people need to get a _ considered thoughts? i think people need to get a grip- _ considered thoughts? i think people need to get a grip. there _ considered thoughts? i think people need to get a grip. there are - considered thoughts? i think people need to get a grip. there are bigger| need to get a grip. there are bigger issues in the world today. i don't think this is that important. the shirt is still about the three lions, which is the main emblem of the football team which is in all the football team which is in all the songs and the patriotism about the songs and the patriotism about the football. the flag is a small part of the shirt. it's on the back of the collar and i think it's not important. the football team are wearing the shirt. they will do the country proud wearing the three lions and i think it's a load of nonsense. it lions and i think it's a load of nonsense-— lions and i think it's a load of nonsense. ., , ., ., nonsense. it was enough for keir starmer to _ nonsense. it was enough for keir starmer to have _ nonsense. it was enough for keir starmer to have something - nonsense. it was enough for keir starmer to have something to i nonsense. it was enough for keir| starmer to have something to say about _ starmer to have something to say about it — starmer to have something to say about it. don't get me wrong, he only wants — about it. don't get me wrong, he only wants to seem patriotically when _ only wants to seem patriotically when he — only wants to seem patriotically when he no he isn't. this was a man who stood _ when he no he isn't. this was a man who stood alongside the least patriotic— who stood alongside the least patriotic person i could think of, keir starmer.— keir starmer. you mean jeremy corb n? keir starmer. you mean jeremy corbyn? jeremy — keir starmer. you mean jeremy corbyn? jeremy corbyn, - keir starmer. you mean jeremy corbyn? jeremy corbyn, yes. i i keir starmer. you mean jeremy - corbyn? jeremy corbyn, yes. i think all the things _ corbyn? jeremy corbyn, yes. i think all the things people _ corbyn? jeremy corbyn, yes. i think all the things people are _ corbyn? jeremy corbyn, yes. i think all the things people are bringing i all the things people are bringing into this — all the things people are bringing into this are _ all the things people are bringing into this are a _ all the things people are bringing into this are a bit _ all the things people are bringing into this are a bit over— all the things people are bringing into this are a bit over the - all the things people are bringing into this are a bit over the top. i into this are a bit over the top. everybody_ into this are a bit over the top. everybody has _ into this are a bit over the top. everybody has their— into this are a bit over the top. i everybody has their attachment into this are a bit over the top. . everybody has their attachment to the flag _ everybody has their attachment to the flag for— everybody has their attachment to the flag for different _ everybody has their attachment to the flag for different reasons. - everybody has their attachment to the flag for different reasons. the| the flag for different reasons. the scottish _ the flag for different reasons. the scottish are — the flag for different reasons. the scottish are proud _ the flag for different reasons. the scottish are proud of _ the flag for different reasons. the scottish are proud of the - the flag for different reasons. the scottish are proud of the scottishl scottish are proud of the scottish fla-. scottish are proud of the scottish flag we — scottish are proud of the scottish flag we are _ scottish are proud of the scottish flag. we are holding _ scottish are proud of the scottish flag. we are holding the - scottish are proud of the scottish flag. we are holding the euros i scottish are proud of the scottish flag. we are holding the euros in| flag. we are holding the euros in june _ flag. we are holding the euros in june i_ flag. we are holding the euros in june. iam— flag. we are holding the euros in june. i am offended _ flag. we are holding the euros in june. i am offended when - flag. we are holding the euros in june. i am offended when i i flag. we are holding the euros in| june. i am offended when i watch flag. we are holding the euros in i june. i am offended when i watch the olympics— june. i am offended when i watch the olympics and — june. i am offended when i watch the olympics and i— june. i am offended when i watch the olympics and i see _ june. i am offended when i watch the olympics and i see scottish— olympics and i see scottish olympians _ olympics and i see scottish olympians with— olympics and i see scottish olympians with the - olympics and i see scottish olympians with the union l olympics and i see scottish. olympians with the union jack olympics and i see scottish- olympians with the union jack flag. i find _ olympians with the union jack flag. i find it— olympians with the union jack flag. i find it disheartening _ olympians with the union jack flag. i find it disheartening from - olympians with the union jack flag. i find it disheartening from a - i find it disheartening from a scottish— i find it disheartening from a scottish perspective. - i find it disheartening from a scottish perspective. so i i find it disheartening from a. scottish perspective. so while i find it disheartening from a i scottish perspective. so while i think— scottish perspective. so while i think the — scottish perspective. so while i think the everybody's _ scottish perspective. so while i think the everybody's reason i scottish perspective. so while ii think the everybody's reason for attachments _ think the everybody's reason for attachments to— think the everybody's reason for attachments to the _ think the everybody's reason for attachments to the flag - think the everybody's reason for attachments to the flag are i think the everybody's reason for| attachments to the flag are their own reasons _ attachments to the flag are their own reasons and they— attachments to the flag are their own reasons and they are - attachments to the flag are their. own reasons and they are entitled attachments to the flag are their- own reasons and they are entitled to them, _ own reasons and they are entitled to them, i_ own reasons and they are entitled to them, ithink— own reasons and they are entitled to them, |thinkthe_ own reasons and they are entitled to them, i think the fact _ own reasons and they are entitled to them, i think the fact that _ own reasons and they are entitled to them, i think the fact that nike i own reasons and they are entitled to them, i think the fact that nike has. them, i think the fact that nike has admitted _ them, i think the fact that nike has admitted this — them, i think the fact that nike has admitted this is— them, i think the fact that nike has admitted this is representative i them, i think the fact that nike has admitted this is representative of. admitted this is representative of england's— admitted this is representative of england's flag _ admitted this is representative of england's flag and _ admitted this is representative of england's flag and changed - admitted this is representative of england's flag and changed it- admitted this is representative of england's flag and changed it is. england's flag and changed it is insensitive _ england's flag and changed it is insensitive. the _ england's flag and changed it is insensitive. the best _ england's flag and changed it is insensitive. the best reaction l england's flag and changed it is. insensitive. the best reaction from the english — insensitive. the best reaction from the english people _ insensitive. the best reaction from the english people would - insensitive. the best reaction from the english people would be - insensitive. the best reaction from the english people would be to i insensitive. the best reaction from the english people would be to not buy the _ the english people would be to not buy the shirt — the english people would be to not buy the shirt-— buy the shirt. listen to molly in bristol. first, _ buy the shirt. listen to molly in bristol. first, brad, _ buy the shirt. listen to molly in bristol. first, brad, do- buy the shirt. listen to molly in bristol. first, brad, do you i buy the shirt. listen to molly in bristol. first, brad, do you like\ bristol. first, brad, do you like the design? i bristol. first, brad, do you like the design?— bristol. first, brad, do you like the design? bristol. first, brad, do you like the desian? ~ , ~ the design? i like the shirt. like i said, it the design? i like the shirt. like i said. it has _ the design? i like the shirt. like i said, it has the _ the design? i like the shirt. like i said, it has the three _ the design? i like the shirt. like i said, it has the three lions. - the design? i like the shirt. like i said, it has the three lions. this| said, it has the three lions. this is a small part of the shirt and i don't think it should be focused on the way it has been in the media. it's a load of rubbish.— it's a load of rubbish. brad, you are looking _ it's a load of rubbish. brad, you are looking at _ it's a load of rubbish. brad, you are looking at a _ it's a load of rubbish. brad, you are looking at a cross _ it's a load of rubbish. brad, you are looking at a cross which - it's a load of rubbish. brad, you are looking at a cross which is l are looking at a cross which is summed _ are looking at a cross which is supposed to represent the st george's cross. please, nike, if you are listening, if you want to make it pink— are listening, if you want to make it pink with— are listening, if you want to make it pink with yellow dots so it represents mr blobby, at the moment, it doesnt— represents mr blobby, at the moment, it doesn't represent anything. molly. — it doesn't represent anything. molly, what do you think? | it doesn't represent anything. molly, what do you think? i don't really care- _ molly, what do you think? i don't really care. nike _ molly, what do you think? i don't really care. nike have _ molly, what do you think? i don't really care. nike have injected i molly, what do you think? i don't i really care. nike have injected some colour_ really care. nike have injected some colour and _ really care. nike have injected some colour and everyone hasjumped onto this cultural_ colour and everyone hasjumped onto this cultural bandwagon for whatever reason _ this cultural bandwagon for whatever reason it_ this cultural bandwagon for whatever reason. it feels like people in this country— reason. it feels like people in this country are — reason. it feels like people in this country are terrified of putting colours — country are terrified of putting colours on a flag in case it is conflated _ colours on a flag in case it is conflated with some kind of woke movement. it's not, it'sjust colours— movement. it's not, it'sjust colours on— movement. it's not, it'sjust colours on a flag. movement. it's not, it's 'ust colours on a flagi movement. it's not, it's 'ust colours on a flag. why change it, then? because _ colours on a flag. why change it, then? because they _ colours on a flag. why change it, then? because they wanted - colours on a flag. why change it, then? because they wanted to i colours on a flag. why change it, - then? because they wanted to make it different. then? because they wanted to make it different- next — then? because they wanted to make it different. next year, _ then? because they wanted to make it different. next year, there _ then? because they wanted to make it different. next year, there will- then? because they wanted to make it different. next year, there will be - different. next year, there will be a different kit. there are hundreds of kits _ a different kit. there are hundreds of kits they— a different kit. there are hundreds of kits they can make money out of it. just _ of kits they can make money out of it. just don't — of kits they can make money out of it. just don't buy it if you don't like _ it. just don't buy it if you don't like it — it. just don't buy it if you don't like it i— it. just don't buy it if you don't like it. , ., , it. just don't buy it if you don't like it. , .,, ., . like it. i might stop watching football together _ like it. i might stop watching football together as - like it. i might stop watching football together as a - like it. i might stop watching football together as a result| like it. i might stop watching l football together as a result of this _ football together as a result of this. ~ ., ., ., football together as a result of this. ~ ., i. football together as a result of this. ., this. well, good for you, don't watch football, _ this. well, good for you, don't watch football, then. - this. well, good for you, don't watch football, then. but - this. well, good for you, don't watch football, then. but it. this. well, good for you, don't - watch football, then. but it doesn't have to _ watch football, then. but it doesn't have to mean anything. it canjust be have to mean anything. it canjust he a _ have to mean anything. it canjust he a flag — have to mean anything. it canjust be a flag with some colour. it have to mean anything. it can 'ust be a flag with some colour. it does mean something. _ be a flag with some colour. it does mean something. with _ be a flag with some colour. it does mean something. with the - be a flag with some colour. it does} mean something. with the amount be a flag with some colour. it does i mean something. with the amount of --eole mean something. with the amount of eo - le who mean something. with the amount of people who have _ mean something. with the amount of people who have found _ mean something. with the amount of people who have found in _ mean something. with the amount of people who have found in today, - mean something. with the amount of people who have found in today, it i people who have found in today, it obviously means a lot to a lot of people. it has got a lot of people's backs up. i am not one of the people who gets upset about the price of sugar. it takes quite a bit to wind me up. this really winds me up, because they think they can get away with it. get because they think they can get away with it. , ., ., , because they think they can get away with it. , ., ., ., with it. get away with what? defacin: with it. get away with what? defacing our _ with it. get away with what? defacing our flag. _ with it. get away with what? defacing our flag. they i with it. get away with what? defacing our flag. they are l with it. get away with what? i defacing our flag. they are making with it. get away with what? - defacing our flag. they are making a 'oke of us. defacing our flag. they are making a joke of us- they _ defacing our flag. they are making a joke of us. they are _ defacing our flag. they are making a joke of us. they are not _ defacing our flag. they are making a joke of us. they are not making i defacing our flag. they are making a joke of us. they are not making a i joke of us. they are not making a 'oke of joke of us. they are not making a joke of you- _ joke of us. they are not making a joke of you- they _ joke of us. they are not making a joke of you. they are _ joke of us. they are not making a joke of you. they are not - joke of us. they are not making a joke of you. they are not doing . joke of you. they are not doing anything — joke of you. they are not doing anything to you. you will still hang the st— anything to you. you will still hang the st george's cross outside your house _ the st george's cross outside your house when the world cup is an. no, i am not. house when the world cup is an. no, i am not- the — house when the world cup is an. no, i am not. the only _ house when the world cup is an. no, i am not. the only time i ever flew a flag _ i am not. the only time i ever flew a flag was — i am not. the only time i ever flew a flag was when _ i am not. the only time i ever flew a flag was when the _ i am not. the only time i ever flew a flag was when the king _ i am not. the only time i ever flew a flag was when the king was i a flag was when the king was crowned _ a flag was when the king was crowned. �* . a flag was when the king was crowned. �* ,, , ., �* , a flag was when the king was crowned. �* ,, , ., �*, , crowned. but the st george's cross will be hung _ crowned. but the st george's cross will be hung everywhere _ crowned. but the st george's cross will be hung everywhere when i crowned. but the st george's cross will be hung everywhere when the l will be hung everywhere when the world _ will be hung everywhere when the world cup — will be hung everywhere when the world cup is on. why does this tiny piece _ world cup is on. why does this tiny piece of— world cup is on. why does this tiny piece of fabric matter?— world cup is on. why does this tiny piece of fabric matter? because the eo - le piece of fabric matter? because the people wearing _ piece of fabric matter? because the people wearing it — piece of fabric matter? because the people wearing it are _ piece of fabric matter? because the people wearing it are trying - piece of fabric matter? because the people wearing it are trying to i people wearing it are trying to distort it by making money off it. is the most horrendous way to defy someone's flag. if the flag doesn't mean much to you, that is your prerogative. mean much to you, that is your prerogative-— mean much to you, that is your prerogative. mean much to you, that is your reroaative. ., , ., prerogative. someone spoke on the show earlier — prerogative. someone spoke on the show earlier about _ prerogative. someone spoke on the show earlier about how _ prerogative. someone spoke on the show earlier about how the - prerogative. someone spoke on the show earlier about how the st i show earlier about how the st georges— show earlier about how the st george's cross had been co—opted to represent _ george's cross had been co—opted to represent racist movements. i haven't— represent racist movements. i haven't heard anyone anywhere near as angry _ haven't heard anyone anywhere near as angry about that as they are about— as angry about that as they are about this. i personally am way more displaced _ about this. i personally am way more displaced if— about this. i personally am way more displaced if my flag is used to represent racism than i am if they add two _ represent racism than i am if they add two lines of colour to it. wait a waita minute, wait a minute, everybody. ladies and gentlemen, if they were to bring out a st george's flag in these colours, in the red and the navy in the light blue and purple, would that be a good thing?— blue and purple, would that be a aaoodthin? ., ., , ., blue and purple, would that be a ioodthinfi). ., ., , ., ., good thing? what has the navy got to do with the union _ good thing? what has the navy got to do with the union jack? _ good thing? what has the navy got to do with the union jack? ross - good thing? what has the navy got to do with the union jack? ross in i do with the union jack? ross in teesside has _ do with the union jack? ross in teesside has got _ do with the union jack? ross in teesside has got in _ teesside has got in touch, who worked at nike in 2011 and 2013 in global football apparel, involved worked at nike in 2011 and 2013 in globalfootball apparel, involved in global football apparel, involved in designing globalfootball apparel, involved in designing the first nike england kit. ross, thank you for getting in touch. you can enlighten us on this. what were they thinking of? it’s touch. you can enlighten us on this. what were they thinking of?- what were they thinking of? it's an interestin: what were they thinking of? it's an interesting process. _ what were they thinking of? it's an interesting process. i— what were they thinking of? it's an interesting process. i only- what were they thinking of? it's an interesting process. i only saw- what were they thinking of? it's an interesting process. i only saw the| interesting process. i only saw the story this morning and ifind it remarkable that the fa and nike arrived at this point. they have will have been working for 12 to 18 months on this. it will have been reviewed, discussed and signed off by all parties, knowing full well that there would be an element of pushback from fans. did that there would be an element of pushback from fans.— that there would be an element of pushback from fans. did they know that the shirt _ pushback from fans. did they know that the shirt would _ pushback from fans. did they know that the shirt would hit _ pushback from fans. did they know that the shirt would hit the - pushback from fans. did they know that the shirt would hit the fan, i pushback from fans. did they know that the shirt would hit the fan, as| that the shirt would hit the fan, as it were? i that the shirt would hit the fan, as it were? ~ , , that the shirt would hit the fan, as it were? ~' , , ., it were? i think everything is done with the anticipation _ it were? i think everything is done with the anticipation that - it were? i think everything is done with the anticipation that it - it were? i think everything is done with the anticipation that it is i with the anticipation that it is received in the best possible way and that people like it and take it to their hearts. if you think of a football team you support, there will be a particular shirt that you love. designers are always trying to find the next thing that fans can connect with. and i think on this one, it has been a bit of a misstep. when you design for a country, the biggest thing you are always told is not to mess with the crest or the flag and you don't mess with the colours. those are the guidelines you work within. i can understand where the couple came from because it's royalty and the next in line to the throne being president of the fa. so that, i can understand. it just hasn't quite worked out as they hoped. 50 just hasn't quite worked out as they ho ed. ,, ., just hasn't quite worked out as they hoed. , ~ ,, hoped. so when people like sir keir starmer are — hoped. so when people like sir keir starmer are saying _ hoped. so when people like sir keir starmer are saying to _ hoped. so when people like sir keir starmer are saying to think - hoped. so when people like sir keir starmer are saying to think again, i starmer are saying to think again, do a recall, change it, that is not going to happen, we are too far down the line, aren't we?— the line, aren't we? well, at the oint of the line, aren't we? well, at the point of launch, _ the line, aren't we? well, at the point of launch, the _ the line, aren't we? well, at the point of launch, the product i the line, aren't we? well, at the point of launch, the product will| point of launch, the product will have been manufactured. it's not as simple as stopping a production line and everything can be changed. the shirts are manufactured in other territories. the fabric has to be found, which can take months in itself because the fabric is special. you are then talking about printing, execution, shipping and getting it here. there will be thousands of units of this product with that flag on it. so it's no use to think it can be changed overnight. it is naive to think it can be changed overnight. i gather from our can be changed overnight. i gather from your accent _ can be changed overnight. i gather from your accent that _ can be changed overnight. i gather from your accent that you, - can be changed overnight. i gather from your accent that you, like i from your accent that you, like myself, we are caledonians, so we can speak dispassionately about this. , . ,., can speak dispassionately about this. , . �* this. very much so. but there were uuite a this. very much so. but there were quite a few— this. very much so. but there were quite a few other _ this. very much so. but there were quite a few other scottish - this. very much so. but there were quite a few other scottish people i quite a few other scottish people involved in the process. share quite a few other scottish people involved in the process.— involved in the process. are you sa in: a involved in the process. are you saying a lot _ involved in the process. are you saying a lot of — involved in the process. are you saying a lot of scottish - involved in the process. are you saying a lot of scottish people l involved in the process. are you i saying a lot of scottish people were involved in the design, is it an insidejob? i involved in the design, is it an inside job?— involved in the design, is it an inside 'ob? ., �* ~ ., , inside job? i don't know about this articular inside job? i don't know about this particular iteration. _ inside job? i don't know about this particular iteration. but _ inside job? i don't know about this particular iteration. but in - particular iteration. but in previous ones, quite a few scottish people were involved. they want to do the bestjob. you have to put your own feelings aside. it’s do the best job. you have to put your own feelings aside.- your own feelings aside. it's the scots having _ your own feelings aside. it's the scots having a _ your own feelings aside. it's the scots having a laugh _ your own feelings aside. it's the scots having a laugh in - your own feelings aside. it's the scots having a laugh in that i scots having a laugh in that production process. like the british empire, the scots got everywhere, even into nike. we have got to the heart of it. ross, do you think the fa will have contemplated this row and thought, that will be good, or have theyjust had myopia and not seen it coming? well, as a design element that has a big change to it, this will have been presented to a room full of decision—makers at the fa and they will have explained the reasons behind it. they will have been asked, does this make sense, is it a fantastic step forward? the people involved in the decision—making will have been there with their eyes open. i don't think there is anyone there who could say, we didn't expect that. they would just be walking away from something they have already had their hands in. it goes to show the idiots at the top who are _ goes to show the idiots at the top who are running the game, doesn't it? they— who are running the game, doesn't it? they have no idea. i don't know who it? they have no idea. idon't know who they— it? they have no idea. i don't know who they put — it? they have no idea. i don't know who they put in these top positions, it goes— who they put in these top positions, it goes all— who they put in these top positions, it goes all the way through the country. — it goes all the way through the country, up to the top politicians. the people — country, up to the top politicians. the people who are supposed to make -ood the people who are supposed to make good decisions on behalf of us, these _ good decisions on behalf of us, these are — good decisions on behalf of us, these are the things that always happen — these are the things that always happen. how can these people get these _ happen. how can these people get these positions?— happen. how can these people get these positions? molly, what did you sa ? i these positions? molly, what did you say? i said. — these positions? molly, what did you say? i said, because _ these positions? molly, what did you say? i said, because you _ these positions? molly, what did you say? i said, because you vote - these positions? molly, what did you say? i said, because you vote for i say? i said, because you vote for them, say? i said, because you vote for them. that _ say? i said, because you vote for them. that is _ say? i said, because you vote for them, that is how _ say? i said, because you vote for them, that is how the _ say? i said, because you vote for them, that is how the politicians| them, that is how the politicians -et them, that is how the politicians get into— them, that is how the politicians get into these _ them, that is how the politicians get into these places. _ them, that is how the politicians get into these places.— get into these places. here is joshua get into these places. here is joshua in _ get into these places. here is joshua in camden. _ get into these places. here is joshua in camden. hello, i'm| get into these places. here is. joshua in camden. hello, i'm a member of— joshua in camden. hello, i'm a member of the _ joshua in camden. hello, i'm a member of the monster - joshua in camden. hello, i'm ai member of the monster raving joshua in camden. hello, i'm a i member of the monster raving loony party, but that doesn't mean i can't say my opinion. i have a few points. i'm terrified about what you are about to say. i'm terrified about what you are about to say-— about to say. you don't have to wor , about to say. you don't have to worry. it's _ about to say. you don't have to worry. it's quite _ about to say. you don't have to worry, it's quite cool _ about to say. you don't have to worry, it's quite cool stuff i about to say. you don't have to| worry, it's quite cool stuff well, it's not cool because i am very 50-50 it's not cool because i am very 50—50 about this shirt. number one, we all know that is not a real st george's cross. those are not the colours of our nation. secondly, i have a niece called darcy. she plays football and she is part of chesham stakes united rugby club. if i was to buy her the kids' version of this shirt, it would cost me £65. do you not think that is ridiculous, £65. they are not a charity. it’s they are not a charity. it's ridiculous _ they are not a charity. it's ridiculous pricing - they are not a charity. it�*s ridiculous pricing and they are profiteering out of it. now they have got this funky new design of what is not even a st george's cross. that is what i would like to throw into the admin first. there is another point i would like to make about the colours of that kit. we heard that they are going back to the 60s and saying it's a tribute to the 60s and saying it's a tribute to the 60s. but is it, or is itjust jumping on the bandwagon? maybe the company arejust trying jumping on the bandwagon? maybe the company are just trying to use these colours a bit like the gay pride flag. i am a gay man myself and maybe they are trying to jump on the bandwagon so that when it does come to pride and month, june, july or august. are they trying to jump on the bandwagon by saying this is not just the funky new design, perhaps they are going to say they are supporting the lgbt community. i would like to chuck that into the discussion. would like to chuck that into the discussion-— would like to chuck that into the discussion. ., ., . discussion. you have chucked it in and it is exploding. _ discussion. you have chucked it in and it is exploding. i— discussion. you have chucked it in and it is exploding. i will- discussion. you have chucked it in and it is exploding. i will remind l and it is exploding. i will remind people that nike say the graphic side panels on the away kit pay homage to forward—thinking fashionistas. we have got time for james and derek. derek first. i james and derek. derekfirst. i wanted to get involved in the conversation. i watch the programme regularly and don't get involved, but this touched a nerve. what does this playful update represent? is the new flag supposed to represent anything? it doesn't represent anything? it doesn't represent anything that i can relate to. football is draped in flags and emblems and symbols. we have a visceral reaction. how did you react when you saw it?— when you saw it? disgusted, to be honest. when you saw it? disgusted, to be honest- nike _ when you saw it? disgusted, to be honest. nike is _ when you saw it? disgusted, to be honest. nike is an _ when you saw it? disgusted, to be honest. nike is an american i when you saw it? disgusted, to be i honest. nike is an american company. if they wanted a playful update, would they be happy to playfully update their own flag?— would they be happy to playfully update their own flag? james, what do ou update their own flag? james, what do you think? _ update their own flag? james, what do you think? l _ update their own flag? james, what do you think? ithink— update their own flag? james, what do you think? i think it's _ update their own flag? james, what do you think? i think it's a - do you think? i think it's a representation _ do you think? i think it's a representation of - do you think? i think it's a representation of our i do you think? i think it's a | representation of our flag, do you think? i think it's a l representation of our flag, a stylistic— representation of our flag, a stylistic choice. i quite like it. listening _ stylistic choice. i quite like it. listening to the phone—in this nrorning. _ listening to the phone—in this nrorning. i_ listening to the phone—in this morning, i have never phoned in before _ morning, i have never phoned in before either like many others this nrorning _ before either like many others this morning. but i felt compelled to buy the shirt _ morning. but i felt compelled to buy the shirt i_ morning. but i felt compelled to buy the shirt. i don't think there is anything — the shirt. i don't think there is anything wrong with it. it's interesting how emblematic it is of where _ interesting how emblematic it is of where we — interesting how emblematic it is of where we are as a society. literally _ where we are as a society. literally l— where we are as a society. literally-— where we are as a society. literall . ~ . where we are as a society. literall . ~' ., ., literally. i quite like the flag and i think literally. i quite like the flag and i think you _ literally. i quite like the flag and i think you can — literally. i quite like the flag and i think you can boil— literally. i quite like the flag and i think you can boil it _ literally. i quite like the flag and i think you can boil it down i literally. i quite like the flag and i think you can boil it down to, l literally. i quite like the flag and| i think you can boil it down to, do you think— i think you can boil it down to, do you think nothing should ever change or do you _ you think nothing should ever change or do you think we can experiment and try— or do you think we can experiment and try and — or do you think we can experiment and try and do things differently, or should — and try and do things differently, or should we just always keep everything the same? and or should we just always keep everything the same? and you bought one this morning? _ everything the same? and you bought one this morning? yeah, _ everything the same? and you bought one this morning? yeah, i— everything the same? and you bought one this morning? yeah, i bought i everything the same? and you bought one this morning? yeah, i bought one while listening. _ one this morning? yeah, i bought one while listening. i— one this morning? yeah, i bought one while listening. i felt _ one this morning? yeah, i bought one while listening. i felt compelled i one this morning? yeah, i bought one while listening. i felt compelled to i while listening. i felt compelled to id while listening. i felt compelled to go on _ while listening. i felt compelled to go on the — while listening. i felt compelled to go on the fa website and buy one. i have always — go on the fa website and buy one. i have always been an england fan and passionately support the team. i love the — passionately support the team. i love the way gareth southgate has managed _ love the way gareth southgate has managed the team. how love the way gareth southgate has managed the team.— love the way gareth southgate has managed the team. how much did you -a ? £115, managed the team. how much did you pay? £115. which _ managed the team. how much did you pay? £115. which is— managed the team. how much did you pay? £115, which is a _ managed the team. how much did you pay? £115, which is a lot. _ managed the team. how much did you pay? £115, which is a lot. i— managed the team. how much did you pay? £115, which is a lot. i have - pay? £115, which is a lot. i have never bought — pay? £115, which is a lot. i have never bought one _ pay? £115, which is a lot. i have never bought one before, i pay? £115, which is a lot. i have never bought one before, so i l pay? £115, which is a lot. i have l never bought one before, so i am making _ never bought one before, so i am making up— never bought one before, so i am making up for the ones i maybe should — making up for the ones i maybe should have bought in the past as a fan. , ~ ., , fan. derek, nothing stays the same, eve hint fan. derek, nothing stays the same, everything changes. _ fan. derek, nothing stays the same, everything changes. well, _ fan. derek, nothing stays the same, everything changes. well, i'm i fan. derek, nothing stays the same, everything changes. well, i'm afraid i won't be everything changes. well, i'm afraid lwon't be doing _ everything changes. well, i'm afraid i won't be doing the _ everything changes. well, i'm afraid i won't be doing the same. - everything changes. well, i'm afraid i won't be doing the same. i - everything changes. well, i'm afraid i won't be doing the same. i won't i i won't be doing the same. i won't be going out to buy the shirt. i have a drawerfull of be going out to buy the shirt. i have a drawer full of england shirts that have the st george flag on. it could be the best one in your collection. could be the best one in your collection-— could be the best one in your collection. not at that price. i think it has — collection. not at that price. i think it has defined _ collection. not at that price. i think it has defined the i collection. not at that price. i l think it has defined the england shirt. it doesn't represent england in any way. shirt. it doesn't represent england in any way-— shirt. it doesn't represent england in any way. thank you for watching and listening- _ in any way. thank you for watching and listening. and _ in any way. thank you for watching and listening. and thank— in any way. thank you for watching and listening. and thank you - in any way. thank you for watching and listening. and thank you for i in any way. thank you for watching and listening. and thank you for a | and listening. and thank you for a phenomenal response this morning. i'm looking at a few tweeters saying, why are they discussing this? a phenomenal response and a good bit of friday free —— furore. live from london, this is bbc news. america's top diplomat arrives in tel aviv for talks with israel's leaders on a plan to govern and secure gaza after the war. the kremlin says its 'special military operation' in ukraine has turned into a war — as it launches a large—scale attack on ukraine — hitting the country's largest dam and energy infrastructure. west yorkshire police launch an investigation into the tory party donor embroiled in a race row. nike says it won't change a new england football shirt featuring different colours on the cross of st george after widespread criticism. hello, i'm catherine byaruhanga. we begin with the latest on the israel—gaza conflict. america's top diplomat, antony blinken, has been meeting israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, for talks on a plan to govern and secure gaza after the war, while pushing for more aid, and protection of civilians. he's due to meet shortly with israel's war cabinet. it's his sixth visit to the middle east since the war began. the meeting between the two leaders comes as the un security council is set to vote later on a draft resolution proposed by the us, which ties an immediate ceasefire in gaza to the release of hostages held by hamas. washington has previously vetoed three ceasefire resolutions, but has grown increasingly critical of israel's military campaign. our middle east correspondent, yolande knell, is injerusalem with more on what to expect from the talks.

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