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documentary exposed failings in that original police investigation. the bbcjournalist original police investigation. the bbc journalist who original police investigation. the bbcjournalist who investigated iain packer named him, confronted him as the man most likely to have killed emma. he denied the crime and said he was not a violent person. he said he was not a violent person. he said he did not kill emma caldwell. the journalist gave it during the trial. her two interviews with iain packer in that documentary which were used in that documentary which were used in the court case to convict him are now included in a new documentary that will be available on the iplayer. it takes a deeper look at the original murder inquiry and what went wrong and it exposes some of the decisions which were allegedly made which left iain packer free to carry on attacking women for another 17 years. as you said, emma's mother was in court to hear the verdict, as were many other of, many of the women he attacked during that time he remained free. it was very emotionalfor them. he remained free. it was very emotionalforthem. many tears he remained free. it was very emotional for them. many tears were shed as those multiple counts of rape, assault, indecent assault and that one count of murder were read out with packer being found guilty on almost all the charges he faced. margaret caldwell has left the courtroom, thanked everybody as she left, apparently was in tears while the verdict was read out. we're just for people to come out of the court has behind you to give statements, probably going to hear from the police. i am probably going to hear from the police. iam not probably going to hear from the police. i am not sure if we will hear from police. i am not sure if we will hearfrom many police. i am not sure if we will hear from many victims as well. tell us what more we know about packer. packer was assessed with sex workers. we heard evidence that he spent a lot of his wages on prostitutes. 0n spent a lot of his wages on prostitutes. on one particular night, he found a sauna in glasgow 50 times, cell phone masks picked him up at his home first of all but the second location they tied him to was an area in glasgow known for street prostitution. he, the court heard, had a particular obsession with emma caldwell and he used to drive up and scare other people away. he was a violent predator for much of his adult life. he started offending at a young age and now at 51, has been found guilty of these multiple counts of murder. he denied murder in those police interviews, in those interviews in that bbc documentary. but the jury disagreed and by unanimous verdict found him guilty of the murder of emma caldwell. . ~ guilty of the murder of emma caldwell. ., ~ , ., guilty of the murder of emma caldwell. . ~' , ., ~ guilty of the murder of emma caldwell. ., ~ , ., ~ ., caldwell. 0k, thank you. we are waitin: caldwell. ok, thank you. we are waiting for— caldwell. 0k, thank you. we are waiting for packer _ caldwell. 0k, thank you. we are waiting for packer to _ caldwell. 0k, thank you. we are waiting for packer to be - caldwell. 0k, thank you. we are l waiting for packer to be sentenced and of course, we will bring that to you. now let's look a little more about the background to this case. emma caldwell had a happy upbringing but when her sister died from cancer, in her grief, she turned to drugs and prostitution. she cancer, in her grief, she turned to drugs and prostitution.— drugs and prostitution. she will alwa s be drugs and prostitution. she will always be there. _ drugs and prostitution. she will always be there. she _ drugs and prostitution. she will always be there. she will - drugs and prostitution. she will| always be there. she will always drugs and prostitution. she will. always be there. she will always be my emma. the trial heard of her mother's anguish, of how she and her late husband scoured the streets of glasgow searching for emma in the weeks after their daughter went missing. when they found emma's body and they came and told me they had found her body, i took this huge breath in and now i feel as if i can let it out, i can breathe again. emma's killer was this man, iain packer. packerwas emma's killer was this man, iain packer. packer was described in court as a jekyll and hyde —type character, a violent, excessive use of sex workers. packer admitted indecently assaulting emma in the months before her death. the trial heard from more than 20 women who said they violently were attacked by him. some told how he took them to this isolated woodland and it was here that emma's body was found. 0ne here that emma's body was found. one of those who gave evidence against packer and whose voice has been changed to protect her identity, thinks the concern she and other sex workers had about him were ignored by the police. i don't think i have ever been so angry with the police. i am disgusted with how women were treated back then by the police. it made us fear them rather than see them as safe people we could go to to make reports. police scotland said those who spoke up police scotland said those who spoke up at the time did not get the support they deserved. they praised those who survived packer�* horrific catalogue of offending an emma's family for the courage, resilience and determination they have shown which led to packer's conviction. lorna gordon, bbc news, the high court in glasgow. you have followed this case for many years and it was one of the country�* high profile missing persons case, wasn�*t it? it high profile missing persons case, wasn't it? . , ., ., �* , wasn't it? it was. emma caldwell's disappearance _ wasn't it? it was. emma caldwell's disappearance and _ wasn't it? it was. emma caldwell's disappearance and murder- wasn't it? it was. emma caldwell's| disappearance and murder haunted this city. there was this huge investigation at the time and there was a subsequent reinvestigation in 2015. there was this original charging of four turkish men. the case against them collapsed and to a degree, what went wrong in that police investigation overshadowed the fact that emma caldwell�*s murderer remained free. we expect the police to issue a statement and to comment later this afternoon. ahead of that, we also expect margaret caldwell, emma caldwell�*s mother, hersolicitor, margaret caldwell, emma caldwell�*s mother, her solicitor, to give a statement outside the court here in glasgow. thejudge will statement outside the court here in glasgow. the judge will be sentencing iain packerfor those 33 guilty verdicts, three of the charges against him were not proven, but 33 charges of the worst kind of sexual offences makes him one of the most prolific sexual predators that scotland has seen. many of the women he attacked were in court to hear these verdicts. they were emotional. some of the women he attacked have now died. their statements were read out to court, so they gave their evidence, it was still cemented but only in statement form. many of those who gave evidence in person were in court and were extremely emotional. margaret caldwell, emma�*s mother, was also in court. she has been dignified throughout the many, many years it has taken to bring her daughter�*s killer to justice. many years it has taken to bring her daughter�*s killer tojustice. she daughter�*s killer to justice. she wasjoined daughter�*s killer tojustice. she wasjoined in court by daughter�*s killer tojustice. she was joined in court by relatives, including her son, jamie, was joined in court by relatives, including herson, jamie, her including her son, jamie, her daughter—in—law including herson, jamie, her daughter—in—law and her grandson and she was also being comforted by the family�*s lawyer. has a letter, with margaret caldwell alongside, is expected to give a statement within the next hour and the police are also expected to comment in light of the fact it has taken close to 20 years to finally bring emma caldwell�*s killer to justice. the caldwell's killer to “ustice. the bbc caldwell's killer to “ustice. the sscactuauyh caldwell's killer to “ustice. the bbc actually has _ caldwell's killer tojustice. the bbc actually has an interview with iain packer. tell us a little bit more about that.— iain packer. tell us a little bit more about that. yes, iain packer actually approached _ more about that. yes, iain packer actually approached the _ more about that. yes, iain packer actually approached the bbc. - more about that. yes, iain packer actually approached the bbc. he l more about that. yes, iain packer i actually approached the bbc. he said he wanted to clear his name. he approached the investigative journalist samantha polling. he asked her to undertake her own investigation. she did. what she discovered led her to believe that iain packer was the killer. she confronted him in a bbc interview that was included in that documentary and which was part of the evidence shown here in court and which will be included in a documentary that will be made available on the iplayer, looking into that investigation to try and find emma caldwell�*s killer. and we can see some of that interview now, let�*s take a look. take five minutes, set down. i said i would get back to you once i finished my investigation and present the evidence that i found to you. present the evidence that i found to ou. . i present the evidence that i found to yom- i don't— present the evidence that i found to you. yes. i don�*t leave you have you. yes. i don't leave you have been telling _ you. yes. i don't leave you have been telling me _ you. yes. i don't leave you have been telling me the _ you. yes i don't leave you have been telling me the truth. you. yes. i don't leave you have been telling me the truth. what j you. yes. i don't leave you have - been telling me the truth. what you mean ou been telling me the truth. what you mean you don't _ been telling me the truth. what you mean you don't think _ been telling me the truth. what you mean you don't think i've _ been telling me the truth. what you mean you don't think i've been - mean you don�*t think i�*ve been telling the truth? mil mean you don't think i've been telling the truth?— telling the truth? all of the evidence — telling the truth? all of the evidence i _ telling the truth? all of the evidence i have _ telling the truth? all of the evidence i have seen - telling the truth? all of the evidence i have seen and i telling the truth? all of the - evidence i have seen and heard indicates that you are a sexually violent man who been sexually violent. to a number of women throughout the years. ida; violent. to a number of women throughout the years.— violent. to a number of women | throughout the years.- i violent. to a number of women - throughout the years.- i have throughout the years. no, no. i have interviewed — throughout the years. no, no. i have interviewed one _ throughout the years. no, no. i have interviewed one woman _ throughout the years. no, no. i have interviewed one woman who - throughout the years. no, no. i have interviewed one woman who said - throughout the years. no, no. i have| interviewed one woman who said you picked her up in your van one night, you are paying herfor sex, you choked her. you are paying her for sex, you choked her-— you are paying herfor sex, you choked her. ida. she was scared. the choked her. no. she was scared. the attack choked her. ila. she was scared. the attack was stopped by security guard. attack was stopped by security uuard. . . attack was stopped by security uuard. . , ., ., , attack was stopped by security uuard. . , .,. , attack was stopped by securityl guard-_ you guard. that is totally false. you don't remember _ guard. that is totally false. you don't remember it? _ guard. that is totally false. you don't remember it? it - guard. that is totally false. you don't remember it? it never- don't remember it? it never happened- _ happened. i have learned of an allegation that emma was raped surely but —— shortly before she went missing. the attack took place short lee mccoy near the billboards where we�*re sitting today. a man raped her that night and that man was here. i today. a man raped her that night and that man was here.— today. a man raped her that night and that man was here. i didn't. you didn't rate emma _ and that man was here. i didn't. you didn't rate emma that _ and that man was here. i didn't. you didn't rate emma that night? - and that man was here. i didn't. you didn't rate emma that night? i - and that man was here. i didn't. you didn't rate emma that night? i did i didn�*t rate emma that night? i did not. ida didn't rate emma that night? i did not. , ., , didn't rate emma that night? i did not. i. , ., didn't rate emma that night? i did not. , ., ., ., not. do you remember a woman called magdalene? — not. do you remember a woman called magdalene? yes- _ not. do you remember a woman called magdalene? yes. i— not. do you remember a woman called magdalene? yes. i have _ not. do you remember a woman called magdalene? yes. i have interviewed i magdalene? yes. i have interviewed her for this magdalene? yes i have interviewed her for this programme. she magdalene? yes i have interviewed herforthis programme. she has magdalene? yes i have interviewed her for this programme. she has told herfor this programme. she has told me of the months of sexual harassment, abuse and assault by you against her. harassment, abuse and assault by you auainst her. . g . g harassment, abuse and assault by you against her._ which . against her. really? really? which culminated in _ against her. really? really? which culminated in your _ against her. really? really? which culminated in your raping - against her. really? really? which culminated in your raping her. - against her. really? really? which culminated in your raping her. i - culminated in your raping her. i never raped her. she _ culminated in your raping her. i never raped her. she to - culminated in your raping her. i never raped her. she to wake l culminated in your raping her. i l never raped her. she to wake up culminated in your raping her. i - never raped her. she to wake up at niuht to never raped her. she to wake up at night to find _ never raped her. she to wake up at night to find you — never raped her. she to wake up at night to find you sitting _ never raped her. she to wake up at night to find you sitting on - never raped her. she to wake up at night to find you sitting on her- night to find you sitting on her bed. . , night to find you sitting on her bed. . f ., �* ~' night to find you sitting on her bed. . g ., �* ~' night to find you sitting on her bed. . g ., �* ~ she bed. really? i don't think so? she isl inc? bed. really? i don't think so? she is lying? you _ bed. really? i don't think so? she is lying? you said _ bed. really? i don't think so? she is lying? you said you _ bed. really? i don't think so? she is lying? you said you have - bed. really? i don't think so? she is lying? you said you have neverl is lying? you said you have never been to the place where emma�*s body was found, you have been there many times according to all the evidence i have seen come away you would force them to strip. idat i have seen come away you would force them to strip.— force them to strip. not at all. they were _ force them to strip. not at all. they were terrified. _ force them to strip. not at all. they were terrified. the - force them to strip. not at all. they were terrified. the first l force them to strip. not at all. - they were terrified. the first woman you took to those words was emma, you took to those words was emma, you took to those words was emma, you took her six times. i you took to those words was emma, you took her six times.— you took to those words was emma, you took her six times.- you | you took her six times. i never. you tell the police _ you took her six times. i never. you tell the police that. _ you took her six times. i never. you tell the police that. they _ you took her six times. i never. you tell the police that. they wouldn't i tell the police that. they wouldn't let me go. _ tell the police that. they wouldn't let me go. they — tell the police that. they wouldn't let me go, they were _ tell the police that. they wouldn't let me go, they were adamant - tell the police that. they wouldn't let me go, they were adamant it i tell the police that. they wouldn't i let me go, they were adamant it was me who did it and it wasn�*t me. i said why would i contact you to do a programme if i had done this? it doesn�*t make sense. why would i put myself out there and say i didn�*t do it question at to try and hide behind it? really? bill it question at to try and hide behind it? really?— behind it? really? all of the evidence l — behind it? really? all of the evidence i have _ behind it? really? all of the evidence i have seen - behind it? really? all of the evidence i have seen and . behind it? really? all of the - evidence i have seen and everything that i have learned makes it clear that i have learned makes it clear that you are a sexually violent man. i�*m not a sexual violent man. iudha i'm not a sexual violent man. who ra es i'm not a sexual violent man. who rapes women- _ i'm not a sexual violent man. who rapes women. and _ i'm not a sexual violent man. who rapes women. and all— i'm not a sexual violent man. who rapes women. and all of _ i'm not a sexual violent man. who rapes women. and all of the evidence i have seen means i think you have some hard questions to answer about the death of emma caldwell. idat some hard questions to answer about the death of emma caldwell.- the death of emma caldwell. not at all, i know nothing _ the death of emma caldwell. not at all, i know nothing about _ the death of emma caldwell. not at all, i know nothing about it. - the death of emma caldwell. not at all, i know nothing about it. did - all, i know nothing about it. did ou kill all, i know nothing about it. did you kill emma? i— all, i know nothing about it. did you kill emma? i never. - all, i know nothing about it. did you kill emma? i never. i- all, i know nothing about it. did you kill emma? i never. i have| you kill emma? i never. i have denied it, _ you kill emma? i never. i have denied it, i— you kill emma? i never. i have denied it, i said _ you kill emma? i never. i have denied it, i said no, _ you kill emma? i never. i have denied it, i said no, i- you kill emma? i never. i have denied it, i said no, i had - you kill emma? i never. i have i denied it, i said no, i had nothing denied it, isaid no, i had nothing to do with it whatsoever. i am not a violent person. i to do with it whatsoever. i am not a violent person-— violent person. i have no more questions _ violent person. i have no more questions for _ violent person. i have no more questions for you. _ well, i can assure you it wasn�*t me that did it. is well, i can assure you it wasn't me that did it— that did it. is there anything you want to tell _ that did it. is there anything you want to tell me? _ that did it. is there anything you want to tell me? is _ that did it. is there anything you want to tell me? is there - that did it. is there anything you want to tell me? is there any i that did it. is there anything you i want to tell me? is there any point? i came to want to tell me? is there any point? i came to you _ want to tell me? is there any point? i came to you because _ want to tell me? is there any point? i came to you because i _ want to tell me? is there any point? i came to you because i was - i came to you because i was innocent, now you are telling me i did it. i innocent, now you are telling me i did it. ., innocent, now you are telling me i did it. . , ., did it. i am telling you the evidence _ did it. i am telling you the evidence i _ did it. i am telling you the evidence i have _ did it. i am telling you the evidence i have seen i did it. i am telling you the i evidence i have seen everything i have learned raises serious questions about you as a man and about any potential involvement in the case of emma�*s murder. i was the case of emma's murder. i was never involved. — the case of emma's murder. i was never involved, not _ the case of emma's murder. i was never involved, not one _ the case of emma's murder. i was never involved, not one little i the case of emma's murder. i was never involved, not one little bit. | never involved, not one little bit. i can assure you of that. nothing to do with me, i know nothing about it. it is very difficult to accept that all of these women are lying. well, i can all of these women are lying. well, i can assure — all of these women are lying. well, i can assure you, _ all of these women are lying. well, i can assure you, i _ all of these women are lying. well, i can assure you, i am _ all of these women are lying. well, i can assure you, i am not - all of these women are lying. well, i can assure you, i am not a - all of these women are lying. well, i can assure you, i am not a violentj i can assure you, i am not a violent person. i have never raped anybody in my life. i can assure you of that. 0k. thank you for your time. no problem- _ are you still recording? yes. that's fine. take care, samantha. that was a convicted murderer iain packer talking to bbc scotland investigative journalist samantha poling in that interview there. we can go back to lorna gordon outside the court in glasgow. we are waiting to see if any police or relatives come out to talk to the waiting media. in the meantime, we have had some more information, a statement from police scotland, haven�*t we? yes, the high court in glasgow has been adjourned for a short period while we await lord becket�*s sentencing. as well as murder, ian packer was found lt of assaulting 22 women in total, including emma caldwell in an attack prior to her murder and amongst those charges were 12 counts of rape. police scotland today apologised. they said emma, herfamily are many scotland today apologised. they said emma, her family are many other victims were let down in 2005. they said a significant number of women showed remarkable courage speaking up showed remarkable courage speaking up at the time and that they did not get the justice up at the time and that they did not get thejustice and up at the time and that they did not get the justice and support they deserved. they admitted that it was clear that further investigations should have been carried out into packer at the time and that fact it took decade after a murder for the investigation to be reopened caused unnecessary distress to her family and all others who had reported sexual violence. and all others who had reported sexualviolence. police and all others who had reported sexual violence. police scotland said the reinvestigation was the largest police inquiry in scotland in recent times. they urged victims of sexual violence to come forward and said no matter when it happened, they would be listened to. they also in the statement said it was the courage, resilience and determination shown by emma�*s family and particularly of margaret and william caldwell and of all of those who survived packer�*s horrific catalogue of offending that resulted in today�*s conviction and that they hoped almost two decades on, these verdicts give them the justice they deserved. margaret caldwell has been speaking to the bbc stop she said her overriding emotion was relief that her daughter, her emma, as she called her, that her daughter�*s killer has finally been brought to justice. just looking at this statement from police scotland, they are urging anyone who has been the victim of sexual violence to please, please come forward, speak to us. they said, you will be listened to and you will be supported no matter what the offence is, when it took place. how much damage has this investigation and their inability to find this killer, the fact it has taken 20 years to have a conviction, how much damage has that done to play scotland, do you think? —— to police scotland? i play scotland, do you think? -- to police scotland?— police scotland? i think police scotland would _ police scotland? i think police scotland would say _ police scotland? i think police scotland would say that i police scotland? i think police scotland would say that close | police scotland? i think police l scotland would say that close to police scotland? i think police i scotland would say that close to two decades that there has been a cultural shift. decades that there has been a culturalshift. but decades that there has been a cultural shift. but certainly many of the women who came forward at the time, in particularsex of the women who came forward at the time, in particular sex workers, felt that their testimony, their concerns about packer were not taken seriously. that because they were sex workers, they were written off. police scotland in that statement say they have reflected and learn from the initial investigation in 2005 and that subsequent reinvestigation in 2015. they said that significant changes have been made in recent years to improve the organisational culture and response, particularly in terms of how they investigate, in terms of victim care, and that they are absolutely committed to tackling violence and abuse that disproportionately affects women and girls. i think they would want to make absolutely clear that they believe there has been a cultural shift and that no matter when any abuse or alleged abuse is said to have taken place, that any victims that come forward will be listened to and supported. so an apology in that statement from police scotland to emma caldwell�*s family and the many other victims that came forward. an acknowledgement that they let people down back in 2005 and a very clear message that they do take these kind of complaints seriously and that changes to their investigative processes and support structures have been made. for those who are justjoining us, do remind us of what has happened in court in the last hour or so. yes, within the last hour, after four days of deliberation, the jury of 15, it is a jury of 15 here in scotland, returned their verdicts in the case against iain packer. he was found guilty of 12 counts of rape. he was described in court as a serial sexual predator. he was found guilty of assaulting 22 women in total. those women came from all walks of life, from all backgrounds but he did have what was described as an obsession with sex workers, many of those he attacked gave evidence in court. some of them, five of them, in fact, had statements read out to court because they are no longer alive. the evidence they gave was often horrific and harrowing. packer was an extremely violent man. he attacked some of these women in a way that mirrored the method in which emma caldwell was murdered. he took some of these women to an isolated forest, about an hour from glasgow, farfrom isolated forest, about an hour from glasgow, far from the streets of this city, and the women who gave evidence recounted terrifying stories of what he subjected them to there. some of these women came forward in 2005 to tell of what had happened to them at packer�*s hands but throughout that initial investigation he was always treated as a witness, not a suspect. so he remained free to continue offending for close to another 20 years. today, for those victims and indeed for emma�*s family and her mother who was in court to hear that verdict, justice finally delivered as he was found guilty of multiple counts of rape and sexual assault and the murder of 27—year—old emma. thank you. just a reminder of that statement from police scotland in the past few minutes. they said... lets have a look in more detail about the background to this case. emma caldwell had a happy upbringing but when her sister died from cancer, in her grief, she turned to drugs and prostitution. she cancer, in her grief, she turned to drugs and prostitution.— drugs and prostitution. she will alwa s drugs and prostitution. she will always being — drugs and prostitution. she will always being our _ drugs and prostitution. she will always being our thoughts, i drugs and prostitution. she will i always being our thoughts, always be there, always be my emma. the always being our thoughts, always be there, always be my emma.— there, always be my emma. the trial heard of her— there, always be my emma. the trial heard of her mother's _ there, always be my emma. the trial heard of her mother's anguish i there, always be my emma. the trial heard of her mother's anguish of i there, always be my emma. the trialj heard of her mother's anguish of how heard of her mother�*s anguish of how she and her late husband scoured the streets of glasgow searching for emma in the weeks after their daughter went missing.- emma in the weeks after their daughter went missing. when they found emma's _ daughter went missing. when they found emma's body _ daughter went missing. when they found emma's body and _ daughter went missing. when they found emma's body and they i daughter went missing. when they found emma's body and they came daughter went missing. when they i found emma's body and they came and found emma�*s body and they came and told me that they had found her body, i this huge breath in and now i feel as if body, i this huge breath in and now ifeel as if i can body, i this huge breath in and now i feel as if i can let it out. i can breathe again.— i feel as if i can let it out. i can breathe again. emma's killer was this man, iain _ breathe again. emma's killer was this man, iain packer. _ breathe again. emma's killer was this man, iain packer. packer- breathe again. emma's killer was| this man, iain packer. packer was described in court as a jekyll and hyde —type character, a violent, obsessive user of sex workers. packer admitted indecently assaulting emma in the months before her death. the trial heard from more than 20 women who said they violently were attacked by him. some how he took them to this isolated woodland. it was here that emma�*s body was found. 0ne woodland. it was here that emma�*s body was found. one of those who gave evidence against packer and whose voice has been changed to protect her identity thinks the concerns she and other sex workers had about him were ignored by the police. i don�*t think i have ever been so angry at the police, i am disgusted with how women were treated back then by the police. they made us fear them rather than see them as safe people that we could go to to make reports. police scotland said those who spoke up police scotland said those who spoke up at the time did not get the support they deserved. they praised those who survived packer�*s horrific catalogue of offending and emma�*s family for the courage, resilience and determination they have shown which led to packer�*s conviction. lorna gordon, bbc news, glasgow. in the past hour, iain packerfound guilty of murdering 27—year—old emma caldwell in april 2005. we understand emma�*s of family are in the court room. the statement will be filmed and we will bring that to you. stay with us here on bbc news. now we will get a check on the weather picture. you can see the cloud here. for them a vast majority of the uk, this afternoon was so cloudy. you can see the extensive sheet of cloud on the satellite picture, just a few breaks across the north of scotland and to the east of the pennines. so for some, may be some glimpses of sunshine like this but otherwise, extensively cloudy and the cloud thick enough to bring some drizzle to west scotland, northern ireland, wales and western areas of england. a few patches of drizzle working across the midlands and into south—east england as well. yes, a mild day, damp at times, none of the rain will be heavy. it will be patchy in nature and tend to come and go. during this evening and overnight, the rain turns heavierfor a time as it works its way southwards and eastwards across the uk, followed by some blustery showers into scotland and northern ireland during the second part of the night. a very mild night across parts of england and wales with temperatures for some holding up into double figures. cooler air in the north and west of the uk. that theme continues into thursday, eventually colder air working across the uk. weather—wise on thursday, some rain in southern and eastern england to start the day, could be slow to clear away as well. 0therwise, some brighter weather with a mixture of sunshine and blustery showers. some of the showers in western scotland and northern ireland could have a bit of hail mixed in at times. temperature is quite close to average for the time of year, 7—9 degrees. beyond that, we have another area of low pressure set to move through on friday. this occlusion could bring a spell of hill snow. that front could move 100 miles north or south so the exact position of the front is not tied down just yet but it looks like we could see a spell of hill snow, potentially affecting parts of north wales, the hills of northern england, the southern uplands and the hills of northern ireland too. some places could potentially see five centimetres of snow or more. there is the threat of seeing some disruption but at lower elevations where the vast majority of us live, you are likely to be stuck with cold rain, maybe with some sleet mixed in. it will be a cold feeling day, particularly underneath a of rain, with temperatures for a good part of the day struggling around 3. into the weekend, it stays unsettled, sunshine and showers. some showers could have some hail or even sleet mixed in at times. bye for now. against them collapsed and the men were released. this is bbc news, the headlines. the widow of alexei navalny tells the european parliament that vladimir putin is a �*mobster�* whose �*gangsters�* killed her husband. with claims the death—toll in gaza has reached 30,000 new details emerge about a potential ceasefire. thousands of farmers are gathering outside the welsh parliament in cardiff, to protest against new environmental subsidy plans. prince harry will appeal against a judgment in favour of the uk government�*s decision to reduce his police protection when he�*s in britain. let�*s get more in the news that prince harry has lost a high court challenge against the uk government over the level of his security protection here in the uk. the duke of sussex took legal action when the government downgraded his security status four years ago. that was after he stopped being a working royal. his lawyers claimed he had been treated less favourably than other members of the royal family. prince harry will appeal against the ruling. with more on this we can go straight

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