lockdown was on the 25th. i discussed on the 25th. so the i lockdown was on the 25th. one discussed on the 25th. so the - lockdown was on the 25th. one final question. _ lockdown was on the 25th. one final question. please, _ lockdown was on the 25th. one final question, please, in— lockdown was on the 25th. one final question, please, in relation- lockdown was on the 25th. one final question, please, in relation to - lockdown was on the 25th. one final question, please, in relation to the i question, please, in relation to the tockdown— question, please, in relation to the lockdown decision, _ question, please, in relation to the lockdown decision, mr— question, please, in relation to the lockdown decision, mr hancock. i question, please, in relation to the i lockdown decision, mr hancock. could we just— lockdown decision, mr hancock. could we just have _ lockdown decision, mr hancock. could we just have up — lockdown decision, mr hancock. could we just have up to— lockdown decision, mr hancock. could we just have up to 74026. _ lockdown decision, mr hancock. could we just have up to 74026. this - 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all or recollect the detail of it. it all or recollect the detail of it. it is _ all or recollect the detail of it. it is a — all or recollect the detail of it. it is a summary— all or recollect the detail of it. it is a summary of— all or recollect the detail of it. it is a summary of referencesl all or recollect the detail of it. - it is a summary of references from sage _ it is a summary of references from sage meetings, _ it is a summary of references from sage meetings, cobra— it is a summary of references from sage meetings, cobra meetings, l sage meetings, cobra meetings, nrinisteriat— sage meetings, cobra meetings, ministerial meetings _ sage meetings, cobra meetings, ministerial meetings and - sage meetings, cobra meetings, ministerial meetings and so - sage meetings, cobra meetings, ministerial meetings and so on l sage meetings, cobra meetings,| ministerial meetings and so on of how the _ ministerial meetings and so on of how the tii forward to about page seven or eight. a bit more, please. - forward to about page seven or eight. a bit more, please. wel forward to about page seven or- eight. a bit more, please. we have -ot eight. a bit more, please. we have got there _ eight. a bit more, please. we have got there the — eight. a bit more, please. we have got there the 215t _ eight. a bit more, please. we have got there the 215t of— eight. a bit more, please. we have got there the 215t of march, - eight. a bit more, please. we have got there the 215t of march, the - got there the 215t of march, the ministerial— got there the 215t of march, the ministerial group _ got there the 215t of march, the ministerial group meeting - got there the 215t of march, the ministerial group meeting overl got there the 215t of march, the i ministerial group meeting over the weekend _ ministerial group meeting over the weekend where _ ministerial group meeting over the weekend where some _ ministerial group meeting over the weekend where some figures - ministerial group meeting over the weekend where some figures are l ministerial group meeting over the - weekend where some figures are given about ”u _ weekend where some figures are given about ”u beds— weekend where some figures are given about itu beds mac— weekend where some figures are given about itu beds mac beds. _ weekend where some figures are given about itu beds mac beds. if— weekend where some figures are given about itu beds mac beds. if we - weekend where some figures are given about itu beds mac beds. if we go - about itu beds mac beds. if we go forward _ about itu beds mac beds. if we go forward one — about itu beds mac beds. if we go forward one page, _ about itu beds mac beds. if we go forward one page, you _ about itu beds mac beds. if we go forward one page, you will- about itu beds mac beds. if we go forward one page, you will see - forward one page, you will see information— forward one page, you will see information from _ forward one page, you will see information from the _ forward one page, you will see information from the chief- forward one page, you will see - information from the chief executive of the _ information from the chief executive of the nhs _ information from the chief executive of the nhs about _ information from the chief executive of the nhs about the _ information from the chief executive of the nhs about the number- information from the chief executive of the nhs about the number of- information from the chief executive l of the nhs about the number of beds, ventilated _ of the nhs about the number of beds, ventilated beds _ of the nhs about the number of beds, ventilated beds and _ of the nhs about the number of beds, ventilated beds and so _ of the nhs about the number of beds, ventilated beds and so on. _ of the nhs about the number of beds, ventilated beds and so on. you - of the nhs about the number of beds, ventilated beds and so on. you will. ventilated beds and so on. you will see that _ ventilated beds and so on. you will see that there _ ventilated beds and so on. you will see that there is _ ventilated beds and so on. you will see that there is a _ ventilated beds and so on. you will see that there is a reference - ventilated beds and so on. you will see that there is a reference about| see that there is a reference about the government's— see that there is a reference about the government's chief— see that there is a reference about the government's chief scientific l the government's chief scientific adviser. — the government's chief scientific adviser. the _ the government's chief scientific adviser, the worse _ the government's chief scientific adviser, the worse case - the government's chief scientific adviser, the worse case scenario the government's chief scientific . adviser, the worse case scenario is that ”u _ adviser, the worse case scenario is that itu capacity _ adviser, the worse case scenario is that itu capacity in _ adviser, the worse case scenario is that itu capacity in london - adviser, the worse case scenario is that itu capacity in london would i adviser, the worse case scenario is. that itu capacity in london would be overwhelmed — that itu capacity in london would be overwhelmed. but _ that itu capacity in london would be overwhelmed. but the _ that itu capacity in london would be overwhelmed. but the projection, i that itu capacity in london would be. overwhelmed. but the projection, the actuality— overwhelmed. but the projection, the actuatity was — overwhelmed. but the projection, the actuatity was 15 — overwhelmed. but the projection, the actuality was 15 days. _ overwhelmed. but the projection, the actuality was 15 days. every— overwhelmed. but the projection, the actuality was 15 days. every school- actuality was 15 days. every school three _ actuality was 15 days. every school three -- _ actuality was 15 days. every school three -- if— actuality was 15 days. every school three -- if we _ actuality was 15 days. every school three —— if we scroll— actuality was 15 days. every school three —— if we scroll through. - three —— if we scroll through. current— three —— if we scroll through. current number— three —— if we scroll through. current number of— three —— if we scroll through. current number of deaths, i three —— if we scroll through. - current number of deaths, numbers of beds _ current number of deaths, numbers of beds 23rd _ current number of deaths, numbers of beds 23rd of— current number of deaths, numbers of beds. 23rd of march, _ current number of deaths, numbers of beds. 23rd of march, how— current number of deaths, numbers of beds. 23rd of march, how the - current number of deaths, numbers of beds. 23rd of march, how the nhs- current number of deaths, numbers of beds. 23rd of march, how the nhs had been stretched — beds. 23rd of march, how the nhs had been stretched in _ beds. 23rd of march, how the nhs had been stretched in intensive _ beds. 23rd of march, how the nhs had been stretched in intensive care - beds. 23rd of march, how the nhs had been stretched in intensive care and l been stretched in intensive care and over the _ been stretched in intensive care and over the page. — been stretched in intensive care and over the page. page _ been stretched in intensive care and over the page, page 11, _ been stretched in intensive care and over the page, page 11, the - been stretched in intensive care and over the page, page 11, the cobra i over the page, page 11, the cobra and cabinet — over the page, page 11, the cobra and cabinet meeting, _ over the page, page 11, the cobra and cabinet meeting, 23rd, - over the page, page 11, the cobra and cabinet meeting, 23rd, 24. l over the page, page 11, the cobra and cabinet meeting, 23rd, 24. it over the page, page 11, the cobra . and cabinet meeting, 23rd, 24. it is obvious— and cabinet meeting, 23rd, 24. it is obvious and — and cabinet meeting, 23rd, 24. it is obvious and you _ and cabinet meeting, 23rd, 24. it is obvious and you have _ and cabinet meeting, 23rd, 24. it is obvious and you have described - and cabinet meeting, 23rd, 24. it is obvious and you have described to i obvious and you have described to the inquiry— obvious and you have described to the inquiry how— obvious and you have described to the inquiry how cobra _ obvious and you have described to the inquiry how cobra and - obvious and you have described to the inquiry how cobra and the - obvious and you have described to l the inquiry how cobra and the prime minister— the inquiry how cobra and the prime minister rationalise _ the inquiry how cobra and the prime minister rationalise that _ the inquiry how cobra and the prime minister rationalise that the - the inquiry how cobra and the prime minister rationalise that the nhs - minister rationalise that the nhs woutd _ minister rationalise that the nhs would be — minister rationalise that the nhs would be overwhelmed - minister rationalise that the nhs would be overwhelmed at - minister rationalise that the nhs would be overwhelmed at somel minister rationalise that the nhs - would be overwhelmed at some point, inevitably, _ would be overwhelmed at some point, inevitably, the — would be overwhelmed at some point, inevitably, the nhs— would be overwhelmed at some point, inevitably, the nhs would _ would be overwhelmed at some point, inevitably, the nhs would collapse - inevitably, the nhs would collapse because _ inevitably, the nhs would collapse because of— inevitably, the nhs would collapse because of the _ inevitably, the nhs would collapse because of the sheer— inevitably, the nhs would collapse because of the sheer number- inevitably, the nhs would collapse because of the sheer number of. because of the sheer number of deaths — because of the sheer number of deaths. , ., , , ., deaths. yes. not because of the sheer number _ deaths. yes. not because of the sheer number of _ deaths. yes. not because of the sheer number of deaths, - deaths. yes. not because of the. sheer number of deaths, because deaths. yes. not because of the - sheer number of deaths, because of the cases. it sheer number of deaths, because of the cases. .., , , . sheer number of deaths, because of the cases. , , ., ., , , the cases. it cases and deaths but the cases. it cases and deaths but the oint the cases. it cases and deaths but the point is _ the cases. it cases and deaths but the point is that _ the cases. it cases and deaths but the point is that the _ the cases. it cases and deaths but the point is that the nhs - the cases. it cases and deaths but the point is that the nhs wouldn'tj the point is that the nhs wouldn't survive _ the point is that the nhs wouldn't survive because _ the point is that the nhs wouldn't survive because of— the point is that the nhs wouldn't survive because of the _ the point is that the nhs wouldn't survive because of the nature - the point is that the nhs wouldn't survive because of the nature andj survive because of the nature and exponential— survive because of the nature and exponential growth. _ survive because of the nature and exponential growth. to _ survive because of the nature and exponential growth. to what - survive because of the nature and l exponential growth. to what extent did the _ exponential growth. to what extent did the government _ exponential growth. to what extent did the government collectively - exponential growth. to what extentl did the government collectively have you as _ did the government collectively have you as to— did the government collectively have you as to when — did the government collectively have you as to when that _ did the government collectively have you as to when that point _ did the government collectively have you as to when that point would - did the government collectively have you as to when that point would be i you as to when that point would be likety— you as to when that point would be tii likely to arise? i put it that way because you have _ likely to arise? i put it that way because you have explained - likely to arise? i put it that way. because you have explained that likely to arise? i put it that way- because you have explained that the final analysis — because you have explained that the final analysis is _ because you have explained that the final analysis is based _ because you have explained that the final analysis is based upon - because you have explained that the final analysis is based upon the - final analysis is based upon the correct — final analysis is based upon the correct understanding - final analysis is based upon the correct understanding that - final analysis is based upon the correct understanding that an l correct understanding that an exponentiat_ correct understanding that an exponential growth— correct understanding that an exponential growth would - correct understanding that anl exponential growth would only correct understanding that an - exponential growth would only ever end in— exponential growth would only ever end in disaster— exponential growth would only ever end in disasterfor_ exponential growth would only ever end in disaster for the _ exponential growth would only ever end in disaster for the nhs. - exponential growth would only ever end in disaster for the nhs. could i end in disasterforthe nhs. could you and _ end in disasterforthe nhs. could you and my— end in disasterforthe nhs. could you and my abte _ end in disasterforthe nhs. could you and my able to _ end in disasterforthe nhs. could you and my able to go— end in disasterforthe nhs. could you and my able to go any- end in disasterforthe nhs. could you and my able to go any further| end in disaster for the nhs. could . you and my able to go any further in terms— you and my able to go any further in terms of— you and my able to go any further in terms of understanding _ you and my able to go any further in terms of understanding when - you and my able to go any further in terms of understanding when that l you and my able to go any further in. terms of understanding when that was likely terms of understanding when that was tii going up the reasonable worst—case scenario, notwithstanding the decisions made on the 15th and the 20th. what i would look like, what that would mean would be people going without treatment and i was absolutely determined that that would not happen. that came back to the nimbus discussion and other discussions around that. and so we took a huge amount of action and i thought that simon stephens, lord stevens, describe that while in his evidence. i push him to expand both the physical capacity and expand effective staffing because one of the challenges that has been put at this stage and it is there in the written evidence of the inquiry, that we didn't know exactly how many beds the nhs had. what matters is not a physical bed, it is a staffed bed and that is flexible. in some cases, we took the staff ratio in intensive care, normally one—to—one, up intensive care, normally one—to—one, up to six patients to one nurse. so it is flexible because of the nhs, said in your question, where the nhs have survived? of course nhs would have survived? of course nhs would have survived. it would have done its level best and is amazing and adaptable institution. but it would not have been able to provide care to everybody and therefore the number of people who died would have gone up even more than it would have donejust because of gone up even more than it would have done just because of the virus. and done just because of the virus. and therefore, done just because of the virus. and therefore. is _ done just because of the virus. and therefore, is this _ done just because of the virus. and therefore, is this a fair summary. notwithstanding _ therefore, is this a fair summary. notwithstanding the _ therefore, is this a fair summary. notwithstanding the remarkable i notwithstanding the remarkable abitity _ notwithstanding the remarkable ability of — notwithstanding the remarkable ability of the _ notwithstanding the remarkable ability of the nhs _ notwithstanding the remarkable ability of the nhs to _ notwithstanding the remarkable ability of the nhs to cope, - ability of the nhs to cope, notwithstanding _ ability of the nhs to cope, notwithstanding the - ability of the nhs to cope, i notwithstanding the flexibility ability of the nhs to cope, - notwithstanding the flexibility that there may— notwithstanding the flexibility that there may have _ notwithstanding the flexibility that there may have been— notwithstanding the flexibility that there may have been a _ notwithstanding the flexibility that there may have been a system - notwithstanding the flexibility that there may have been a system for| notwithstanding the flexibility that i there may have been a system for an increase _ there may have been a system for an increase in— there may have been a system for an increase in staff _ there may have been a system for an increase in staff beds _ there may have been a system for an increase in staff beds in _ there may have been a system for an increase in staff beds in itu - there may have been a system for an increase in staff beds in itu beds - increase in staff beds in itu beds and surge — increase in staff beds in itu beds and surge capacity. _ increase in staff beds in itu beds i and surge capacity. notwithstanding that he _ and surge capacity. notwithstanding that he could — and surge capacity. notwithstanding that he could not _ and surge capacity. notwithstanding that he could not know— and surge capacity. notwithstanding that he could not know and - and surge capacity. notwit