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home secretary suella braverman has been sacked as home secretary. the prime minister, rishi sunak, asked her to leave the government and is conducting a ministerial reshuffle. he's been under pressure to sack ms braverman, after a weekend in which she's been accused of emboldening far—right activists who carried out violence on the streets of london. these are the latest pictures of ms braverman as she left for work this morning, amid speculation over herjob. the opposition labour party has accused her of stoking tensions this weekend, by claiming the police were biased. it comes as the government is understood to be looking seriously at plans to change protest laws in the wake of weekly pro—palestinian marches. this is a reminder of the breaking news this morning. prime minister rishi sunak has sacked his home secretary suella braverman. this comes after comments she made about the protests happening in london. we can go live to our political editor chris mason now. bring us up to date as to what has happened this morning. a, as to what has happened this morninu. �* w, as to what has happened this morninu. �* , ' as to what has happened this morninu. ~ , , , morning. a cabinet reshuffle is under way- _ morning. a cabinet reshuffle is under way. half _ morning. a cabinet reshuffle is under way. half an _ morning. a cabinet reshuffle is under way. half an hour - morning. a cabinet reshuffle is under way. half an hour ago i morning. a cabinet reshuffle is| under way. half an hour ago we brought you the news that the now former home secretary suella braverman had been sacked from the government. suella braverman is out after the controversy of last week, the letter that she wrote to the times, or the article she wrote for the times, without authorisation from downing street for all of its content suggesting the police were biased ahead of those protests we saw in london and elsewhere over the weekend. rishi sunakfiring his home secretary. and beginning a wider reshuffle of his government. we have seen foreign secretary james cleverly head into downing street in the last half an hour or so to talk to the prime minister. my understanding is he is in conversation with the prime minister right now. we also know that david cameron, the former prime minister, has arrived in downing street in the last few minutes as well. what a twist that would be to see the return of a former prime minister to a significant role in government. i don't think people had seen that one coming, if indeed it is confirmed. we have a current foreign secretary in the building and former prime minister, both in conversation with rishi sunak. we expect news of the new deployment expected imminently. with a growing expectation at westminster, as has been the case with an increasing sense of certainty is that weekend has progressed, but more so this morning, that what we are seeing right now is notjust a reshuffle but a big reshuffle, and an attempt from rishi sunak, just over a year in office, to really try and assert his authority, grab attention, do something, anything, that might change his political fortunes. something, anything, that might change his politicalfortunes. he has done much thus far to attempt to change his political fortunes, has done much thus far to attempt to change his politicalfortunes, but frankly, from his perspective, it hasn't really worked. he will hope that a reshuffle of significant size, which is certainly what it looks like this morning, may help do that. from his perspective it is worth a go. also an illustration, he will hope, of an exertion of authority. there were questions after the former home secretary suella braverman defied him with the article last week around his authority, who was in charge. a senior cabinet minister willing to defy him, by sacking her, and then engaging in a pretty widespread reshuffle, he will hope that that will illustrate very much who is in charge. and also build a government in his own image. when he constructed a government rather at hayes to just over a year ago having become prime minister almost by accident after the short tenure of liz truss, he needed to do it with one thing principally in mind, ensuring stability within the conservative party after a period of volcanic instability. —— at haste. now, year in, with a sense that he will see at the time between now and a general election, there is no suggestion that rishi sunak will face any threat internally before an election, he clearly feels more comfortable to build a government in his own image, with the hope from his own image, with the hope from his perspective, that it is something that can change the political weather.— something that can change the political weather. chris, this could not have been _ political weather. chris, this could not have been easy _ political weather. chris, this could not have been easy for _ political weather. chris, this could not have been easy for the - political weather. chris, this could not have been easy for the prime | not have been easy for the prime minister. ms braverman is popular within the conservative party. popular with some but not with others. there is no doubt some within the conservative fold are very supportive of her and they were pleased to see someone in high office to articulate views that they share, was willing to talk, as they see it kameda language that ordinary folk are not obsessed with politics would understand. and didn't assume high office and leave half of her views at the door. so, yes, she had her supporters, and, yes, there was a valuable of 2.4 rishi sunak of bringing her into government for exactly that reason. in fact, she became home secretaryjust a week or so after she had left that post under liz truss having broken the ministerial code. she came back in, having a last backed minute, rishi sunak to become prime minister after the of liz truss. but the frequency with which suella braverman has been grabbing attention and saying things that plenty of her colleagues would not repeat, got to the level where i think it was simply unsustainable. these were not things that were being said once every couple of months, there were being said, in some instances, several times in a fortnight, and i think that tested the patience, suddenly tested the patience of their colleagues and tested the patience as well of downing street, forcing them i think in the end to conclude that they only had one option, not least because there was a growing sense of that suggestion of insubordination, that suggestion of insubordination, that she had done something against the direct edict of the prime minister and done that in a very public way. for anyone in government, be like in any workplace, if you defy the boss, humiliate the boss and do it very publicly, yourjob security is going to be rather looser than it previously was, as played out in the last hour with suella braverman, sacked as home secretary. i wanted to ask a bit — sacked as home secretary. i wanted to ask a bit more _ sacked as home secretary. i wanted to ask a bit more about _ sacked as home secretary. i wanted to ask a bit more about this - sacked as home secretary. i wanted to ask a bit more about this cabinet| to ask a bit more about this cabinet reshuffle that's happening. but first, does the prime minister risk having a strong political opponent on the backbenches? it is believed ms braverman would like to be leader of the conservative party. there ms braverman would like to be leader of the conservative party.— of the conservative party. there is no doubt that _ of the conservative party. there is no doubt that is _ of the conservative party. there is no doubt that is a _ of the conservative party. there is no doubt that is a risk— of the conservative party. there is no doubt that is a risk from - of the conservative party. there is no doubt that is a risk from his - no doubt that is a risk from his perspective, there is no doubt suella braverman has ambitions to lead the conservative party. we know that because she has run for the job before. i can tell you that is one of her ambitions without question. from the prime minister's perspective, the trade—off always was, do you keep her within the fold or do you allow her to go to the backbenches where she can make her arguments and she sees fit? i suspect there are those in government who feel she was making arguments as she saw fit anyway and was undermining the prime minister in so doing. when you are home secretary you have a colossal platform from which to make your arguments. when you are a backbencher you have much less of a platform. from downing street's perspective, the only scenario in the relatively short to medium term in which suella braverman would be running for the conservative leadership would be a situation where rishi sunak was no longer in thejob, and that where rishi sunak was no longer in the job, and that would where rishi sunak was no longer in thejob, and that would happen where rishi sunak was no longer in the job, and that would happen after any election defeat. so between now and that point, were it to happen, rishi sunak will obviously be doing all he can to try and win the general election which would ensure that he would carry on as conservative leader and prime minister. so in the short term she is no direct threat to him, as much as she might be an irritant on the backbenches, but an irritant with a smaller platform than the one that she became having the platform of home secretary which she has had for the last year or so.— the last year or so. chris, we have been showing _ the last year or so. chris, we have been showing viewers _ the last year or so. chris, we have been showing viewers pictures - the last year or so. chris, we have i been showing viewers pictures from downing street where this cabinet reshuffle is now under way. as you mention, the prime minister is trying to probably reframe his government, take control of the government. but up to now he has made several attempts at appealing to voters, is at the conservative party conference, with the king's speech, what can you do now with the cabinet reshuffle? how do you think you might be trying to get voters' attention ahead of elections in the next few months? br; attention ahead of elections in the next few months?— next few months? by doing things that crab next few months? by doing things that grab attention _ next few months? by doing things that grab attention and _ next few months? by doing things that grab attention and demand i that grab attention and demand attention and command people's intrigue. i think what is interesting this morning, notjust the sacking of the home secretary which is always a big deal in any government at any time, but we have seenin government at any time, but we have seen in the last half an hourjames cleverly the foreign secretary, also one of the biggestjobs in government, going in to talk to the prime minister and he is in conversation with the prime minister right now, i'm told. and then i think i mentioned the arrival of david cameron, the former prime minister going into downing street whilst a reshuffle is under way. if david cameron were to emerge from this reshuffle with a seniorjob in government, which the choreography in the street would indicate is about to happen, my goodness, that would grab attention. my goodness that would be seen to be unconventional to put it gently. the last foreign secretary in the house of lords, because that's how david cameron would take a job in government were he to be offered one, you have to become a member of the upper chamber, whereas lord carrington, back in the late 70s and early 80s, who knows which job carrington, back in the late 70s and early 80s, who knows whichjob if any david cameron might find himself taking, or being offered. one assumes a former prime minister who was offered a job back in government is going to take a pretty silly one given the previousjob is going to take a pretty silly one given the previous job they held in government was the top job. we are into the realms of speculation now, we await the front door opening and the departure of mr cameron and indeed james cleverly to see what job they have. but if his appearance, david cameron cosmic appearance, david cameron cosmic appearance in the street, is not a coincidence, and it would seem one heck of a coincidence for a former prime minister to roll up half way through a government reshuffle in front of all the cameras, that is a headline that will capture attention, that will be very noticeable and very newsworthy. and so from rishi sunak a's perspective, an attempt to say look at what i'm willing to do to assembly broad conservative government of all the talents as he might describe it, bringing back big names of the last decade or so, to attempt to change the political weather. he's got to try something, rishi sunak. the politics of right now demands that he does that because he is miles behind in the opinion polls. if there is an election tomorrow, the expectation is that he would lose. the expectation of plenty of conservative ministers and plenty of other senior conservatives privately is that defeat looks highly likely. and therefore, trying something, trying anything, that might change that potential sequence of events from rishi sunak�*s perspective, is perhaps worth a go. not least because he has had senior people saying to him for quite a long time, look, prime minister, what you are doing is simply not enough. they point to his conference speech of a little over a month ago and safe you announced policies like the scrapping of the hs2 northern leg, like the raising of the legal smoking age, they might all be well and good, said people to him privately, but don't add up to a coherent programme that will demand attention, and plenty of internal critics said exactly the same about the king's speech, the state opening of parliament, the idea is for government policy for the next year orso government policy for the next year or so last week. a reshuffle of the magnitude that it looks like we are witnessing this morning, who knows can mightjust have that capacity to change the political weather. that is certainly the calculation in number 10. is certainly the calculation in numberio. let's is certainly the calculation in number 10. let's see where we get to as the announcements are made this morning. as the announcements are made this morninu. . ~ as the announcements are made this morninu. ., ~ ,., as the announcements are made this morninu. ., ~ y., , as the announcements are made this morninu. . ~ ,, , . morning. thank you very much. the thou~hts morning. thank you very much. the thoughts of — morning. thank you very much. the thoughts of our _ morning. thank you very much. the thoughts of our political _ morning. thank you very much. the thoughts of our political editor - thoughts of our political editor there chris mason. and just a reminder of the breaking news this morning. the uk's prime minister rishi sunak has sacked his home secretary suella braverman. this is after she wrote a newspaper article in which she criticised the way in which pro—palestinian protests had been police. downing street, the prime minister's office, had not approved parts of that article. for more on this let's go and live to our home affairs corresponding daniel sandford. daniel, it was comments that she made about policing, particularly around protests, as we mentioned there, that really forced the prime minister to sack her.- that really forced the prime minister to sack her. yeah, she was an unconventional— minister to sack her. yeah, she was an unconventional home _ minister to sack her. yeah, she was an unconventional home secretary. an unconventional home secretary from the very beginning, not least of all because she managed to get herself sacked within a few weeks of taking the job, herself sacked within a few weeks of taking thejob, was briefly herself sacked within a few weeks of taking the job, was briefly out of thejob and then taking the job, was briefly out of the job and then was reappointed in a deal with rishi sunak where she promised that her part of the party would support him if she was reappointed to thejob would support him if she was reappointed to the job of home secretary. normally home secretary is our firm but are then careful about the words that they use. but suella braverman right from the beginning was almost deliberately not careful about the words that she used. she spoke at the first party conference when she was home secretary about it was her dream, her obsession to see a plane taking off to rwanda with people who had crossed the channel on small boats on board. she talked about the opposition parties being a coalition of chaos, guardian reading, tofu eating wokerati. she talked about people crossing the channel on small boats as invasion of our southern coast. she talked about the fact that there were 100 million people in the world who might qualify for protection under the uk asylum laws and then said let's be clear, they are coming here, and then she talked about a potential hurricane as a result of global migration movements. so all of that meant that rather than being somebody who was measured in her words in this very senior office of state, she was very much part of the culture wars while in that office of state. and then came the israel gaza conflict and there weekly marches through london every saturday. what there weekly marches through london every saturday-— every saturday. what do you think the im act every saturday. what do you think the impact of _ every saturday. what do you think the impact of her _ every saturday. what do you think the impact of her statements - every saturday. what do you think| the impact of her statements were first of all as home secretary on policing, but also more broadly in british society? i policing, but also more broadly in british society?— british society? i think certainly, rather than. .. _ british society? i think certainly, rather than. .. the _ british society? i think certainly, rather than. .. the job _ british society? i think certainly, rather than. .. the job of - british society? i think certainly, rather than. .. the job of the - british society? i think certainly, i rather than. .. the job of the home rather than... thejob of the home secretary is partly to make sure that society remains coherent, that it does not get fractured, that it doesn't become more violent. that's part of the home secretary's job. i think there are certainly those in policing who felt that she was adding to the tensions even before the events of israel and gaza. but when the events of israel and gaza took place and she started talking about hate marches, and responding to quite a lot of concern on the right about what was happening on those marches and the kind of slogans being chanted on those marches, she started putting pressure on the police to try and ban the marches. that was when there was this sense in many quarters of policing that she was sort of overstepping that mark of work she ought to be playing an advisory, taking in the background, expressing to the police concerns about things that she felt they ought to be doing and dealing with, rather she went on the front foot, essentially demanding that the commission of the metropolitan police banned the march that was taking place over remembrance weekend. when sir mark rowley looked at the evidence and assessed that actually legally, he felt, that that wasn't something that was possible to do, rather than accepting that, she then talked in her times article about the police playing favourites. that's when we essentially saw this public fracturing between the home secretary and the police's ability to respond to what she was asking. i think

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