the uk home secretary, has used a speech to a right wing us think tank, to say that multiculturalism has "failed". and that a lack of control over migration poses an �*existential challenge�* to the west. suella braverman also said that fearing said that fearing discrimination for being gay, or a woman, should not be enough to qualify for international refugee protection. she questioned whether the application of the un's 1951 refugee convention is �*fit for our modern age�*. the refugee convention was drawn up following world war two, and has at its centre the principle that refugees should not be returned to countries where they face threats to their lifes or freedom. here's part of the home secretary's speech. illegal migration is notjust a cyclical problem, it is a permanent and structural challenge to the developed nations in general and the west in particular. unless we act, it will only worsen in the years to come. live now to our political correspondent, david cornock. a lot of different, it is important to go through and she says there was a fundamental challenge of uncontrolled migration and existential challenge she described and political systems cannot control borders, cannot endure and the threat to democracy effectively the line that she was talking about and not just line that she was talking about and notjust in america with the mexican border to europe, to italy, to where the situation in terms of people coming to doubled this year, in terms of the eu, she cited figures of 66% in the eu compared with 2021 in terms of refugees, she said the un reckon there were 29 million refugees and she talked about the numbers likely to search over the next few years and then went on to talk about the legal constraints on the models that she said were outdated and that has a very prompt and swift response from the un agency who said that the refugee agency who said that the refugee agency sold the refugees remain the cornerstone of refugee protection and it is critical now as it is when it was originally draughted and went on to say that the convention save millions of lives and pointed to conflicts in ukraine and saddam and its continued importance is very swift for a bottle from the un agency and join the programme, we will look at some of those claims and assertions made in verify and we have guests from both sides of the political argument about how to control migration and will continue to go to the debate here in the next little while others are just some of the main planks we have heard from swell a bra for return to that story next two minutes. the number of ethnic armenians leaving the disputed territory of nagorno karabakh has grown to about 19,000. that's about 15 per cent of the population. adding to the scenes of desperation... at least 20 people died in an explosion at a fuel depot. armenian separatist officials say, almost 300 people are in hospital. dozens are in critical condition. the international committee of the red cross says there are hundreds of burns victims and it is looking to help with medical evacuations. the cause of the blast is not known. the roads out of nagorno—karabakh to the border are jammed, with people trying to get out as fast as they can. they fear persecution and ethnic cleansing. here's here's one refugee describing their experience of leaving. translation: it was horrible, children were starving - and they were crying. a child fainted, she had a fever, so we gave her some medication. we ran away to survive, that is all. live now to our correspondent kasra naji in the armenian capital yerevan. where the entrance of this villa and it is the first place refugees arrived into armenia and this is their entrance into armenia and all day, we've been hearing in the mornings and the last few hours, there's been a steady stream of cars coming through and an hour ago, suddenly it stopped for some reason that we do not understand and he picked up again and they're coming through. full of people, refugees and other belongings, whatever they could get in there heading towards a registration centre which is just behind the camera and there are a few tenants they been set up by the international committee of the red and to register them. there is also another registration centre further up another registration centre further up in the next town, and the next village and some people say they're going there to register but my own impressions that a lot of these people are not registering and their driving through and for that reason, i think the numbers that are given by the authorities at the red cross and the numbers of refugees coming through, it may be a real number is a lot higher than that. we heard this morning that there were about 19,000 people so far arriving here in the last two or three days but my impression is that the real number is higher. the impression is that the real number is hiaher. . ., impression is that the real number is hiaher. . . , is higher. the official figure is now a of 20,000 _ is higher. the official figure is now a of 20,000 and - is higher. the official figure is now a of 20,000 and all- is higher. the official figure is now a of 20,000 and all the i is higher. the official figure is - now a of 20,000 and all the while it climbs and i'm sure it will continue to climb and let us go back to the same place of the border and watching those numbers increase and give us a sense of it feels being there? �* , give us a sense of it feels being there? �*, ., ,., give us a sense of it feels being there? �*, ., , , give us a sense of it feels being there? , , there? it's about seven minutes past eiuht there? it's about seven minutes past eight o'clock— there? it's about seven minutes past eight o'clock local _ there? it's about seven minutes past eight o'clock local time _ there? it's about seven minutes past eight o'clock local time and - there? it's about seven minutes past eight o'clock local time and it - there? it's about seven minutes past eight o'clock local time and it is - eight o'clock local time and it is dark, as you can see, up until a few moments ago, the steady stream of cars coming through and it stopped for some reason, there seems to be some regulating work going down the road there which we are not allowed to go which is the actual border and every now and then, there huge number of cars coming in suddenly stopped. this is going on in the numbers are going up and up expect this to continue through the night. some the stories people have been saying to you? it is some the stories people have been saying to you?— saying to you? it is very sad and the all saying to you? it is very sad and they all look _ saying to you? it is very sad and they all look very _ saying to you? it is very sad and they all look very dazed, - saying to you? it is very sad and i they all look very dazed, confused, angry, hungry and troubling for 28 hours or so and that way, you can see the mountains and it's taken them around 2a hours or more to reach here in their cars and some of them did not know where they were going and others in the capital i'm going and others in the capital i'm going to ask them whether they have relatives, some of them said we have not been in contact and others say not been in contact and others say no and we just want to rent a place and basically, many of those i talked to did not know where they're going to sleep tonight and all of them shone from a in their places because they have fled war and we are very fearful, many of them have fled the last minute and taking of the last things that they could take with them and getting in the car and leaving because there are explosions, there were things around them and basically they did not feel safe at all and when i said to them, azerbaijan, the security of fighting to stay and it is the last thing we do and in any case, we do not want to live under azerbaijan rule. that is the general mentality and when i asked what do you plan for this, interesting was one man's answer saying the traitors. and he said russia, of course a lot of these people blame russian forces, russia had 20,000 peacekeeping forces and it looks as though they would be other way while azerbaijan took over their land and their homes. but school live _ their land and their homes. but school live to _ their land and their homes. but school live to the person in the dedication of our media. thank you for being with us and we spoke earlier, what is the situation from where you're sitting in the needs and the numbers which are able to provide? and the numbers which are able to rovide? . ~ and the numbers which are able to rovide? ., ~ , ., , and the numbers which are able to rovide? ., ~ i. , . provide? thank you very much. the humanitarian _ provide? thank you very much. the humanitarian situation _ provide? thank you very much. the humanitarian situation in _ provide? thank you very much. the humanitarian situation in the - provide? thank you very much. the humanitarian situation in the area l humanitarian situation in the area remains precarious. basically food and social medicines are running out and social medicines are running out and communication services remain disrupted. thousands of people are fleeing their homes and our organisation really needs a statement for humanitarian law and in respect of the people that are fleeing these large—scale movements that are taking place but we are calling on is the people, where they choose to stay or leave must be protected. people and family members must not be separated against their will and our priority has been identified to ensure the protections of people and those who choose to states that they have enough for health care and other social services like water and food. and people maintaining contact with them the area with family members and focusing our efforts especially after yesterday for the fuel depot for the transport of medical treatment as well as the dignified treatment as well as the dignified treatment of the dead. and treatment as well as the dignified treatment of the dead.— treatment of the dead. and more --eole treatment of the dead. and more people what _ treatment of the dead. and more people what happened _ treatment of the dead. and more people what happened at - treatment of the dead. and more people what happened at the - treatment of the dead. and more l people what happened at the depot treatment of the dead. and more - people what happened at the depot to actually the numbers are climbing all the time, do you have adequate provisions to cope with those numbers and possibly many more in the coming days? find numbers and possibly many more in the coming days?— the coming days? and absolute, hundreds of— the coming days? and absolute, hundreds of people _ the coming days? and absolute, hundreds of people injured - the coming days? and absolute, hundreds of people injured and l hundreds of people injured and tonnes were killed and complication and actually dealing with this issue on the already capacity of the local hospitals that are working beyond the possibilities and basically we are talking about the influx of patients on top of those wounded and those of the medical staff and the medical response and the dressing kit and materials for the local hospitals currently, we are in a convoy of ambulances dismissed or bring part of the urgent critical injured burnt patients however, we are continuing our dialogue the decision—makers to increase the number of medical evacuations. pressure talk again but thank you for providing us with the latest information of what is happening there on the ground. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. a hospital trust has blamed computer errorfor 211,000 letters not being sent to patients and their gps. newcastle hospitals has apologised for the issue, which dates back to 2018. many of the letters explained what should happen when patients were discharged. but a significant number were written by specialist clinics, spelling out required care. new research suggests workers in the uk are taking more sick days than at any point in the past decade. staff took on average 7.8 sick days in the past year, up from 5.8 before the pandemic. the chartered institute for personnel and development said the rise was a "worry" and blamed stress, covid and the rising cost of living. water companies have been ordered to pay back £114 million to customers after missing key targets. it will be repaid through reduced bills. the regulator, 0fwat, says firms across england and wales are "falling short" on performance measures around leakages, supply and reducing pollution. you're live with bbc news. saying that multiculturalism has failed and that the lack of control over migration poses an existential challenge to the west. it is good to robert, the head of statistics robertson headline grabbing numbers is a0 million people who want to come to the uk and 780 million on whom the convention grants refugee rights and those are some of the figures she used and how much weight should be put on those figures in the way that we used.— should be put on those figures in the way that we used. almost scary settin: the way that we used. almost scary setting numbers — the way that we used. almost scary setting numbers in _ the way that we used. almost scary setting numbers in their— the way that we used. almost scary setting numbers in their very - the way that we used. almost scary setting numbers in their very high l setting numbers in their very high and the people said they might want to come to a country like the uk in april conducted, you'd roughly get the same number of yes the question 2012, and the gap of the people might want to do and later pops possibly migrate and those who do it up possibly migrate and those who do it up with their lives and move around the world with a huge number, the southern edge of the million who could get granted refugee rights, thatis could get granted refugee rights, that is adding up all the people in the world who might get persecuted on the ground of race, religion, sexual orientation and things like that, but there's a big difference in being in a group that may get persecuted and actually meeting the definition of a refugee and someone new as of the year that they will get persecuted and is a big gap between that 780 who might possibly get refugee status in the 35 million people who, these are pretty highball numbers.— people who, these are pretty highball numbers. what about the performance _ highball numbers. what about the performance around _ highball numbers. what about the performance around 2096 - highball numbers. what about the performance around 20% in - highball numbers. what about the l performance around 20% in general crossings? == performance around 20% in general crossinus? ., performance around 20% in general crossinus? . ~ ., ;;:: 11:11: crossings? -- channel. around 30,000 --eole crossings? -- channel. around 30,000 people across — crossings? -- channel. around 30,000 people across the _ crossings? -- channel. around 30,000 people across the channel _ crossings? -- channel. around 30,000 people across the channel to _ crossings? -- channel. around 30,000 people across the channel to seek - people across the channel to seek entrance and that's 25,000 now and thatis entrance and that's 25,000 now and that is a decrease, 20%. but it's to the second highest year on record insolent one part of the problem of the government is facing because of the government is facing because of the part they have and they were for this is the million pounds a day of their spending on hotel bills to accommodate people who were waiting for there is some claims to be processed by the reason for that is the number of people coming in and another part of the reason is a long time between arriving and getting her asylum claim and the government is not showing any sign of significant progress on that and the backlog is going up and they've called some improving numbers that the government can look at but there's still some pretty significant issues in terms of government performance and dealing with this issue has to do with public scepticism. quite back thank you very much. and in the incident. mikejones, the migration watch uk and think support of you —— thank you both. we and think support of you -- thank ou both. ~ ., _, . , and think support of you -- thank ou both. ~ ., . , you both. we are concerned but some ofthe you both. we are concerned but some of the content — you both. we are concerned but some of the content of _ you both. we are concerned but some of the content of the _ you both. we are concerned but some of the content of the speech - you both. we are concerned but some of the content of the speech and - of the content of the speech and ultimately, we think the core principles refugee convention and people _ principles refugee convention and people well—founded and persecution should _ people well—founded and persecution should have protection on how important it is to uphold and there isn't much — important it is to uphold and there isn't much evidence that the definition is somehow being stretched or is being undermined and the reality— stretched or is being undermined and the reality is that many of the people — the reality is that many of the people coming to the uk, they do have a _ people coming to the uk, they do have a they are being accepted for their asylum claims and we feel those _ their asylum claims and we feel those claims should be processed. | those claims should be processed. i think those claims should be processed. think the those claims should be processed. i think the speech is long overdue and she was very measured. i think she meets a very pressing points the vast majority of people entering the uk from the english channel are overwhelmingly illegal economic migrants and 85% of those are young men and i think there is a legal architecture that short—circuits the democratic process and prevents democratically elected governments from controlling the borders and delivering the manifesto and promises and this is very frustrating for the british public. in terms of morphing in certain areas, a clear question in terms of people who are gay, in uganda, they just introduced extreme new laws are it's already illegal but in others the death penalty in late people fleeing that but they be considered refugees? ii fleeing that but they be considered refu:ees? , ., , ., refugees? if people are fleeing persecution. — refugees? if people are fleeing persecution, yes, _ refugees? if people are fleeing persecution, yes, absolutely. l refugees? if people are fleeing i persecution, yes, absolutely. and there's no question on that. i think there's no question on that. i think the point that micro was trying to make is that simply having a certain identity should not automatically guarantee you asylum status in terms that definition, _ guarantee you asylum status in terms that definition, she _ guarantee you asylum status in terms that definition, she says _ guarantee you asylum status in terms that definition, she says it _ guarantee you asylum status in terms that definition, she says it is - that definition, she says it is morphing and taking vast new numbers and and it's notjust about people fearing persecution. i do and and it's notjust about people fearing persecution.— fearing persecution. i do not think that is correct. _ fearing persecution. i do not think that is correct. and _ fearing persecution. i do not think that is correct. and it _ fearing persecution. i do not think that is correct. and it is _ fearing persecution. i do not think that is correct. and it is not - that is correct. and it is not enough _ that is correct. and it is not enoughjust to be discriminated against — enoughjust to be discriminated against to have a successful asylum claim, _ against to have a successful asylum claim, you — against to have a successful asylum claim, you need to show you have a significant _ claim, you need to show you have a significant breach of your human rights _ significant breach of your human rights in — significant breach of your human rights in order to be granted refugee _ rights in order to be granted refugee status. and only 2% of applications for refugee status are based _ applications for refugee status are based on — applications for refugee status are based on sexual orientation and i think— based on sexual orientation and i think this — based on sexual orientation and i think this is a bit of a distraction by the _ think this is a bit of a distraction by the home secretary. at think this is a bit of a distraction by the home secretary.- by the home secretary. at one point in that speech. _ by the home secretary. at one point in that speech, suella _ by the home secretary. at one point in that speech, suella braverman . in that speech, suella braverman was talking about in the uk the small boats, the 109,000 people who have come since 2018, the cost ballooned to £a billion a year from 500 million a few years ago and that, isn't that a sign that government policy has failed on this, their government policy, the backlogs, coping with all of that? the legacy oli is in coping with all of that? the legacy policy is in the _ coping with all of that? the legacy policy is in the field _ coping with all of that? the legacy policy is in the field in _ coping with all of that? the legacy policy is in the field in terms - coping with all of that? the legacy policy is in the field in terms the l policy is in the field in terms the back there are issues productivity within the home office and high turnover, low morale, low capacity. is this alljust a distraction from that and fundamental basics that have not been grappled with? it’s have not been grappled with? it's worth have not been grappled with? it�*s worth bearing in mind that the full policy has not been implemented because the supreme court has to make thejudgment on because the supreme court has to make the judgment on the rwanda policy and that is the key. the government and poor people in conditioned numbers. then we'll see if the government policy is successful if they do, i believe it will be successful. that successful if they do, i believe it will be successful.— will be successful. at one stage, ou said will be successful. at one stage, you said multiculturalism - will be successful. at one stage, you said multiculturalism had i you said multiculturalism had completely failed and she also talked about the existential challenge, do you think she is fundamentally wrong on both or when you look at it and you see a different pockets, the americans of problems and so many different parts of europe, their problems here with the uk exactly the same issue. ida. the uk exactly the same issue. no, there are absolutely challenges with lots of _ there are absolutely challenges with lots of people crossing borders in the us, _ lots of people crossing borders in the us, europe and the mediterranean and the _ the us, europe and the mediterranean and the channel here, of course that is right— and the channel here, of course that is right but— and the channel here, of course that is right but i— and the channel here, of course that is right but i think it is one thing to say— is right but i think it is one thing to say that — is right but i think it is one thing to say that the challenge, but it's another— to say that the challenge, but it's another thing to save but it's an existential— another thing to save but it's an existential threat. what we have seen _ existential threat. what we have seen is _ existential threat. what we have seen is that the british public is increasingly open to migration and actually— increasingly open to migration and actually quite successful compared to other _ actually quite successful compared to other countries. i think it is wrong — to other countries. i think it is wrong to— to other countries. i think it is wrong to say that multiculturalism is failed, _ wrong to say that multiculturalism is failed, really successful examples of integration and there are challenges but the way to deal with it _ are challenges but the way to deal with it is _ are challenges but the way to deal with it is to— are challenges but the way to deal with it is to fix the asylum system in order— with it is to fix the asylum system in order under control and with the eu and _ in order under control and with the eu and france, i think this is really— eu and france, i think this is really a _ eu and france, i think this is really a distraction from challenges on the _ really a distraction from challenges on the home secretary his hands developing a much better system. different— developing a much better system. different stages and they said obviously, they need to be reformed but they had to be specific about leaving that convention if she failed to get her forms and one of your colleagues of migration watch that if there is no reform, the uk should withdraw from the refugee convention and i assume you agree with that thought. but convention and i assume you agree with that thought.— with that thought. but the first rotocol with that thought. but the first protocol should _ with that thought. but the first protocol should be _ with that thought. but the first protocol should be to - with that thought. but the first protocol should be to reform i with that thought. but the first | protocol should be to reform the geneva convention but obviously, if the convention inhibits our ability to control our borders and to enforce law and order and maintain proper democracy than the option of leaving should not be off the table. 0nly have 20 seconds left, quick answer intensive consequences if you get to that point. it answer intensive consequences if you get to that point-— get to that point. it wouldn't make much of a difference, _ get to that point. it wouldn't make much of a difference, the - get to that point. it wouldn't make much of a difference, the fact - get to that point. it wouldn't make much of a difference, the fact is i much of a difference, the fact is the uk — much of a difference, the fact is the uk has _ much of a difference, the fact is the uk has an issue with managing asylum _ the uk has an issue with managing asylum regardless of whether we are in the _ asylum regardless of whether we are in the convention of the eu or not it is next— in the convention of the eu or not it is next solve the problem is it's really— it is next solve the problem is it's really distraction from the core issues — really distraction from the core issues of— really distraction from the core issues of how to deal with our system — issues of how to deal with our system domestically.- issues of how to deal with our system domestically. sorry to cut ou short system domestically. sorry to cut you short but _ system domestically. sorry to cut you short but we _ system domestically. sorry to cut you short but we are _ system domestically. sorry to cut you short but we are out - system domestically. sorry to cut you short but we are out of- system domestically. sorry to cut i you short but we are out of time and thank you forjoining us on bbc news. hello there. the day's heavy rain and showers will continue to ease away through this evening, and overnight it will turn a lot drier for many with lengthy, clearskies, lighterwinds, particularly across the northern half of the country. that'll make it turn quite chilly across some of the scottish glens. but it's all change to the south. we're looking at this system deepening as it's approaching ireland. this is storm agnes. now, this will start to throw up some cloud in towards southern and western areas as we move through the night and the wind will start to pick up here as well. so temperatures are on the rise here, in fact — the low to mid—teens here — but a chillier night to come across the north. so storm agnes, then, likely to bring some impacts to western parts of the country on wednesday, with rain and gales. we could see severe gales around some of the irish sea coasts as this storm moves its way northwards, but it will be weakening as it continues to move northwards. by far, the biggest impacts will be across central and southern parts of ireland. but around irish sea coasts, like i mentioned, we could see 60 to 70 mile an hour gusts, maybe a bit more than that. north—west wales, pembrokeshire, north—west england and south—west scotland, favoured spots for some of the strongest gusts. heavy rain also spinning northwards with the strong winds as we move through the morning, into the afternoon, eventually pushing across into scotland. but much of central and certainly eastern and south—east england will avoid all the action and, in fact, stay largely dry. it will be breezy, but there'll be some sunshine. top temperatures, 22 degrees here, but further north and west, around the mid—teens, with the gales and the rain. the strong winds, the gales, the rain push northwards across scotland. storm agnes eventually exits the uk in towards the norwegian sea by the end of the night. but a fairly mild night to come. temperatures in double figures for most. so to thursday, then. we're in between weather systems. there are more ganging up on us as we head into friday and the weekend, generally affecting northern and western areas. but thursday actually doesn't look too bad. the winds still a feature, but not as strong as what we expect on wednesday. there'll be some good spells of sunshine around, but i think cloud will tend to build through the day and we'll start to see another frontal system pushing into the west. that'll bring rain to northern ireland, scotland, perhaps western england and wales by the end of the day. a little bit cooler i think, across the board. 20 degrees at best in the south—east, mid—teens further north and west. and then like i mentioned, there will be further frontal systems moving into northern and western parts of the country. better chance of staying dry this weekend in the south. this is bbc news. the headlines: the home secretary says failing to control migration poses an "existential challenge" to the west. illegal migration is not merely an event driven or cyclical problem, it is a permanent and structural challenge for the development nations in general and the in particular. —— the developed nations. the exodus ramps up. more than 19,000 ethnic armenians leave the disputed region of nagorno—karabakh. and these are live pictures from michigan, where president biden is expected to visit striking car workers in what's believed to be the first time a sitting us president hasjoined a picket line. water companies in england and wales are ordered to pay back more than £100 million to customers through lower bills after missing key targets.

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