they became less active following the sidelined them all from running them all, sidelined them all from running them alt. to— sidelined them all from running them all, to share his views, so these are the — all, to share his views, so these are the channels that a lot of people — are the channels that a lot of people have been watching for any clues. _ people have been watching for any clues. as _ people have been watching for any clues, as to what happened to yevgeny— clues, as to what happened to yevgeny prigozhin.— clues, as to what happened to yevgeny prigozhin. samantha was sa in: that yevgeny prigozhin. samantha was saying that two — yevgeny prigozhin. samantha was saying that two bodies _ yevgeny prigozhin. samantha was saying that two bodies have - yevgeny prigozhin. samantha was saying that two bodies have been| saying that two bodies have been identified, are you seeing any of those pictures on social media? know, what i'm seeing is an increasing _ know, what i'm seeing is an increasing amount of claims from various— increasing amount of claims from various accounts, public figures of various— various accounts, public figures of various credibility saying that both yevgeny _ various credibility saying that both yevgeny prigozhin and demetrio ken were on— yevgeny prigozhin and demetrio ken were on board the crashed plane. there _ were on board the crashed plane. there are — were on board the crashed plane. there are reports suggesting that bodies _ there are reports suggesting that bodies recovered from the crash site are badly— bodies recovered from the crash site are badly burned and therefore a certain— are badly burned and therefore a certain amount of time will be required — certain amount of time will be required before they are identified with complete certainty. but there appears _ with complete certainty. but there appears to be a mounting number of claims _ appears to be a mounting number of claims suggesting that yevgeny prigozhin was indeed onboard the crashed _ prigozhin was indeed onboard the crashed samantha, i mean obviously utkin _ crashed samantha, i mean obviously utkin and _ crashed samantha, i mean obviously utkin and prigozhin would feel threatened.— utkin and prigozhin would feel threatened. ., , ., ., , threatened. how unusual would it be for them to be _ threatened. how unusual would it be for them to be travelling _ threatened. how unusual would it be for them to be travelling on - threatened. how unusual would it be for them to be travelling on the - for them to be travelling on the same plane? i for them to be travelling on the same plane?— for them to be travelling on the same lane? ., �* ,, ., ., same plane? i don't know what their usual travel— same plane? i don't know what their usual travel habits _ same plane? i don't know what their usual travel habits were _ same plane? i don't know what their usual travel habits were but - same plane? i don't know what their usual travel habits were but it - usual travel habits were but it definitely seems to be very irresponsible for both of them to be on the same plane, and of course thatis on the same plane, and of course that is the reason why there is still a slight ounce of doubt whether they both were on that plane. this is what the telegram channels are saying, this is what the more official russian media channels are staying, and it would be very convenient for those who want to get rid of prigozhin and want to get rid of prigozhin and want to get rid of prigozhin and want to see wagner completely absorbed into the ministry of defence troops would both be severe. we have to remain very circumspect, we have to wait until, if ever, the results of an official investigation were produced. whether these bodies will be officially identified, i suspect that the next few months might see a sort of elvis prigozhin phenomenon, he will be cited in very places —— various places. he is such a larger than life character. i don't think he will completely go away even if he is dead. of course we'll have to see how that develops, one interesting thing i have seen, this is on various telegram channels, that, not confirmed yet, i haven't seen official confirmation but a criminal investigation has been opened in russia for the improper use of the airspace. is that suggesting that russian military, reckless piloting, conspiracy theories said the ukrainians did it, they did it on ukrainians did it, they did it on ukrainian flag day which is today, but i don't believe that. this will give rise to a host of conspiracy theories that will further muddy the waters. ., . . , , waters. yeah. which is why the res - onse waters. yeah. which is why the response from _ waters. yeah. which is why the response from the _ waters. yeah. which is why the response from the white - waters. yeah. which is why the | response from the white house waters. yeah. which is why the - response from the white house and the pentagon is one to watch because as it suggested earlier, they have the ability to look into heat signatures from the ground and they will know what the true picture is worth certainly we'll get some evidence of that. you mention, samantha, that sergei has been removed, generalarmageddon samantha, that sergei has been removed, general armageddon as he was colloquial known. the two men that remain of course are the defence minister sergei schweiger and bless them off, who aren't seen in particularly good light in russia. ., , , �*, in particularly good light in russia. .,, , russia. no, but perhaps it's because the are russia. no, but perhaps it's because they are not — russia. no, but perhaps it's because they are not particularly _ russia. no, but perhaps it's because they are not particularly like - russia. no, but perhaps it's because they are not particularly like that - they are not particularly like that they are not particularly like that they are not particularly like that they are still there. they do not present any personal threat to putin, very loyal ally of putin and putin, very loyal ally of putin and putin tried his loyalty above competency. since the 1990s, longest living and active russian politicians. he was a known person for putin, so i suspect he's there, he's there for the duration. last almost invisible chief of staff, again he poses no threat to putin. he was a figurehead, he does what putin has told, he doesn't prevent any kind of political threat. you also have to remember that there is some very important local elections coming up in russia on the 10th of september, in which, although the rulings of united russia party is going to come out victorious almost everywhere, there are some regions where communist party candidates, other fringe where communist party candidates, otherfringe radical where communist party candidates, other fringe radical candidates are, are making themselves heard and known and could put up a good fight. so putin does not want to many charismatic figures anywhere to muddy the waters. particularly with the present and residential elections coming up next year. samantha, vitelli, thank you very much for some really interesting information you've brought us over the last few minutes, thank you to you both. yevgeny prigozhin has been killed in a plane crash outside moscow in a plane crash. let's speak to someone who knows all about kremlin tactics for getting rid of people putin doesn't like bill browder, founder and ceo of capital management which was the largest foreign investor in russia until 2005. i should give you your proper title, bill. isaw 2005. i should give you your proper title, bill. i saw your tweet earlier, this is the way that putin works, he said he neverforgives, never forgets. works, he said he neverforgives, neverforgets. it looked works, he said he neverforgives, never forgets. it looked like works, he said he neverforgives, neverforgets. it looked like he'd been humiliated but does this death today cement his authority? what was so surprising as he declared prigozhin to be a traitor, to be mutinous, then a few weeks later prigozhin was having tea at the prime drumlin and welcoming african dictators at the russia africa summit in st. petersburg. every day that prigozhin survived and was alive was a humiliation for putin. he doesn't allow even the most minor dissent. people in thejournalist community and the human rights community and the human rights community when they go out on the street to protest they get sentenced between eight and 25 years in prison. fora between eight and 25 years in prison. for a guy to rent a mutiny tojust run around prison. for a guy to rent a mutiny to just run around like nothing happened is a complete humiliation for putin. so what was so surprising was that putin didn't take him out onto red square with a guillotine and chop his head off on the next day. and what we see here is that putin, it took him a little while, that continues to be strange, but he finally acted as one would expect putin to act which was to kill this man. and i think what it does do is it puts him back into the place that people had in their own minds about vladimir putin, he's a man who can't be crossed. putin has survived for 23 years as a dictator and a strong man by scaring everybody into submission and that's effectively what this assassination does for his position today. ed what this assassination does for his position today-— position today. ed lucas was suggesting _ position today. ed lucas was suggesting earlier _ position today. ed lucas was suggesting earlier in - position today. ed lucas was suggesting earlier in the - position today. ed lucas was - suggesting earlier in the programme that risen is a dish best served cold, putin would've had enjoyed the idea that if two months have passed to the day that prigozhin might have started to feel a little more comfortable.— started to feel a little more comfortable. well it is, that is exactly right — comfortable. well it is, that is exactly right in _ comfortable. well it is, that is exactly right in that _ comfortable. well it is, that is exactly right in that it - comfortable. well it is, that is exactly right in that it is - comfortable. well it is, that is exactly right in that it is putin | comfortable. well it is, that is i exactly right in that it is putin 's exactly right in that it is putin �*s modus operandi to, he tends to allow time to go by before he goes for retribution, i've seen it in many other situations. retribution, i've seen it in many othersituations. but retribution, i've seen it in many other situations. but he never ever allows people to get away with the type of disrespect that prigozhin expressed towards him in his government. it's how he went about it, why it took so long, we'll never know. i would it, why it took so long, we'll never know. iwould imagine it, why it took so long, we'll never know. i would imagine that the government will claim this was an accident, just for official purposes, but at the same time knotting and letting everybody know that you know, you don't cross vladimir putin without dying. it’s vladimir putin without dying. it's recognisable as you say, but equally as shocking, and a lot of people at home who look at this and say, this is a real mark of how the russian state works. it is a mafia run kremlin, it is... it's a kremlin that works outside the law, and there is no redress, is there? there is no redress. _ there is no redress, is there? there is no redress. so — there is no redress, is there? there is no redress, so there _ there is no redress, is there? there is no redress, so there is _ there is no redress, is there? there is no redress, so there is no - is no redress, so there is no justice, no redress, the way, the best way i would describe russia, it's like a prison yard. putin went into that prison yard a long time ago, small little guy that nobody knew or respected, he took out his proverbial shank and went after the biggest guy in the prison yard and bloodied him terribly, killed him, and looked around and said does anyone else want to mess with me? that's how he's stayed in power and it's really important for him to go every once in a while and do some violence, obvious violence to people who he doesn't like. and of course in the uk we've seen this on a number of occasions with screwball, he goes into radioactive material and nerve agents going after people he considers to be traders or enemies, and yes, putin is a thug, he is a mafia guy, that's obvious. we all know that. he is killed many many thousands, tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of ukrainians, he's killed his own troops, he is a cold—blooded mass murder. and we shouldn't think anything other than that about him, and our reaction to him has always got to be that this man needs to be contained in every way possible. and watching him, watching their internalfights right watching him, watching their internal fights right now only reconfirms that.— internal fights right now only reconfirms that. ., ,, ., ., reconfirms that. talk to me about the wa , reconfirms that. talk to me about the way. you _ reconfirms that. talk to me about the way, you said _ reconfirms that. talk to me about the way, you said that _ reconfirms that. talk to me about the way, you said that you - reconfirms that. talk to me about i the way, you said that you probably think he does cement his position in moscow, but there are many dissidents here, there are many oligarchs here who are blocking a very fine line. how will they interpret the pictures that they're watching tonight? i interpret the pictures that they're watching tonight?— watching tonight? i think every erson in watching tonight? i think every person in power— watching tonight? i think every person in power is _ watching tonight? i think every person in power is going - watching tonight? i think every person in power is going to - watching tonight? i think every person in power is going to be| person in power is going to be declaring their allegiance to vladimir putin so they don't end up having their privatejet vladimir putin so they don't end up having their private jet shut down or them falling off a building or them drinking tea with nova check—in at, that's the impression putin wants to leave with everybody. that's the statement he will leave people with. and i would expect this is not the end of his retribution, i think this is the beginning of his retribution. he will slowly and carefully eliminate everybody he thought was disloyal in this wagner led rebellion. it thought was disloyal in this wagner led rebellion.— led rebellion. it really reminds me when we go _ led rebellion. it really reminds me when we go to _ led rebellion. it really reminds me when we go to the _ led rebellion. it really reminds me when we go to the outset - led rebellion. it really reminds me when we go to the outset of- led rebellion. it really reminds me when we go to the outset of this l led rebellion. it really reminds me l when we go to the outset of this war in ukraine, we talked about the power bases in moscow. and there really are three power bases. 0bviously really are three power bases. obviously there is the doom her and the politicians, then there's the oligarchs... and the former g.i. the politicians, then there's the oligarchs... and the former 6.1. you people who were around putin, correct? i people who were around putin, correct? ., ., , correct? i would say that there is onl one correct? i would say that there is only one power _ correct? i would say that there is only one power in _ correct? i would say that there is only one power in russian - correct? i would say that there is only one power in russian and i correct? i would say that there is . only one power in russian and that's what we're putin. everyone else works for him in one way or another. the duma reports to him, the oligarchs report to him, and the security services report to him, he determines everything. and that is how it has worked for the last 23 years. and there was a sort of question mark about that, in the 2013 many rebellion organised by prigozhin. as prigozhin marched towards rostov looking entirely victorious and strong, a lot of people were keeping their mouth shut, not wanting to declare allegiance to anybody, because who knew? may be prigozhin will be the strong man we need to respect and report to. strong man we need to respect and reort to. �* v strong man we need to respect and reortto. �* �*, ., ., ., report to. bell, there's a lot of talk about _ report to. bell, there's a lot of talk about the _ report to. bell, there's a lot of talk about the relationships i report to. bell, there's a lot of. talk about the relationships that western governments have had with the russians and particularly the trump administration had with the russians, ijust want trump administration had with the russians, i just want to segue into this, it's rudy giuliani, former lawyerfor donald trump. this, it's rudy giuliani, former lawyer for donald trump. his lawyers have... build on $150,000. d0 lawyer for donald trump. his lawyers have... build on $150,000.— have... build on $150,000. do you believe your— have... build on $150,000. do you believe your election _ have... build on $150,000. do you believe your election was _ believe your election was stolen sir? iiii believe your election was stolen sir? , ., ., ., believe your election was stolen sir? ., ., ,, ., ., believe your election was stolen sir? , ., ., ., 4' ., ., , sir? if you want to know what this is all about. _ sir? if you want to know what this is all about, the _ sir? if you want to know what this is all about, the fbi _ sir? if you want to know what this is all about, the fbi stole - sir? if you want to know what this is all about, the fbi stole my - is all about, the fbi stole my ictoud — is all about, the fbi stole my icloud account, they went and stole it the _ icloud account, they went and stole it the day— icloud account, they went and stole it the day i— icloud account, they went and stole it the day i began representing donald — it the day i began representing donald trump four years ago, know when _ donald trump four years ago, know when they— donald trump four years ago, know when they gave it back, the day after _ when they gave it back, the day after i _ when they gave it back, the day after i represented donald trump. for all— after i represented donald trump. for all that time, federal government was fine. donald trump and his— government was fine. donald trump and his lawyer, i'm being indicted because _ and his lawyer, i'm being indicted because i'm a lawyer. in i entered into a stipulation for that case _ i entered into a stipulation for that case to move on, i do not in any way— that case to move on, i do not in any way admit the truth of those allegations, those allegations were totally _ allegations, those allegations were totally false. inaudible if you read it, it says it was only for the person of that case and it was only a inaudible not for the purposes of truth... not for the purposes of truth. .. you did not contest _ not for the purposes of truth... ym. did not contest it, you had the opportunity to contest that. ilet did not contest it, you had the opportunity to contest that. let me take another— opportunity to contest that. let me take another question. _ opportunity to contest that. let me take another question. i _ opportunity to contest that. let me take another question. i talked - opportunity to contest that. let me take another question. i talked to l take another question. i talked to the president today, i wish him well, _ the president today, i wish him well, i— the president today, i wish him well, i have every confidence in him but what _ well, i have every confidence in him but what they are doing to him as an assault— but what they are doing to him as an assault on— but what they are doing to him as an assault on the american constitution, if i say to my american _ constitution, if i say to my american constituents... inaudible that is a pretty big fight outside the fulton countyjail where rudy giuliani former lawyer to donald trump. he is one of the 19 co—conspirators in that fulton county case, donald trump will be presenting himself at the same jail tomorrow. bill i know you are aching follower of american politics. there is a man who has spent a lot of time in kyiv, what connections the trump administration had with russia and suffice to say there is none but of course the special counsel said they invited russian interference in american elections and welcomed it. i wonder whether you think there will be that sort of interference in the 2024 election which we are going to start focusing on with the republican debate and whether indeed donald trump was to sit down with vladimir putin in the light of what we are talking about tonight, how that would be viewed in the united states. i that would be viewed in the united states. ~ . that would be viewed in the united states. ,, ., ., ., ~' states. i think that if we look at this war right _ states. i think that if we look at this war right now _ states. i think that if we look at this war right now in _ states. i think that if we look at this war right now in ukraine, . states. i think that if we look at i this war right now in ukraine, that putin has launched, putin is losing it pretty much. the ukrainians don't have decisive victory, but they are granting the russians down. the logical thing would be to do, it would be to try to find a way to end it for putin. but i think that putin can't step down, can't stop this whole thing from happening because it's part of his whole image of a strong man. so what putin is waiting for right now is november 2024 because that is going to be the moment that, if for some reason trump is able to overcome all these legal obstacles and run for president and become president, trump has said that he was, he would end the war in one day and what he means by that is he would stop supporting the ukrainian government, stop giving military aid to ukraine. and if ukraine stopped getting military aid then putin could potentially win the war. so there is a huge, gigantic incentive for russia to interfere in the 2024 us presidential elections. i fully expect them to do that. it's a very interesting situation where you now have a couple of the republican candidates, ron desantis in addition to trump, and aviva crush mummy who are all saying that they would effectively not support ukraine. there's a lot of steak with the russians with the us presidential election and just a quick comment on juliana. he is lucky doesn't live in russia because if you lived in russia because if you lived in russia he wouldn't get his day in court, he would have a prigozhin day. court, he would have a prigozhin da . . ~' , ., court, he would have a prigozhin da. . ,, court, he would have a prigozhin da. . . ., ., day. thank you so much for coming on the programme _ day. thank you so much for coming on the programme tonight. _ day. thank you so much for coming on the programme tonight. i'm _ day. thank you so much for coming on the programme tonight. i'm joined - day. thank you so much for coming on the programme tonight. i'mjoined by| the programme tonight. i'm joined by alicia cohen �*s which is a conservative mp, he/she is the chair of the foreign affairs committee in the uk, a few weeks ago her committee put a report out on the wagner group criticising the response of the british government to it. and the action of the wagner group has been undertaking on the africa continent. can i get your reaction to the news we are hearing tonight? we don't definitely know that he's dead but if he were to be dead what would that mean? that would mean _ dead what would that mean? that would mean that _ dead what would that mean? trust would mean that putin has continued as he always done, one unforgivable thing for putin and that is betrayal of putin or his russia. he has a history of hunting down those he believes to be traitors, so example alexander bianco... he hunts them down even on british shores, so it's not really a surprise because ultimately for putin is the end of a very humiliating. for him.- very humiliating. for him. you've seen the report — very humiliating. for him. you've seen the report and _ very humiliating. for him. you've seen the report and the - very humiliating. for him. you've seen the report and the financial| seen the report and the financial times governments sources reacting to your report. will this make any difference to the debate that's ongoing currently in british government circles? i ongoing currently in british government circles? i hope so but ultimately what _ government circles? i hope so but ultimately what happens - government circles? i hope so but ultimately what happens today - ultimately what happens today doesn't, because the wagner network have been operating in africa since when he 14, they are putin �*s war dogs. putin set up the wagner network, he uses russian armed forces to fly to syria for example, he provides the uniform, their guns. they are his political tool. they are to where they for him to be allowed to be shut down. and if you look at the africa russia summit that took place a few weeks ago, it was easy to see the gi. you, being introduced at meetings to african leaders. maybe he will be the person who takes over prigozhin �*s number, there is no way putin is going to allow all that wealth because that's the deal that wagner network does with african leaders or leaders who want to hold onto power, we will give you guns, weapons, psi ops, information operations, political election rigging, in return we get your gold, your minerals. it looks like he is now lined up everything he needed to take that over, which has allowed him or somebody in the security operations in russia to take a prigozhin. i security operations in russia to take a prigozhin.— security operations in russia to take a prigozhin. i asked one of our earlier as take a prigozhin. i asked one of our earlier gas about _ take a prigozhin. i asked one of our earlier gas about the _ take a prigozhin. i asked one of our earlier gas about the timing, - earlier gas about the timing, because obviously this brics summit is happening. going on outside groups to stay out of internal matters, it was partly directed on what is going on in niger. but i wonder how that is played on the minds of people in the kremlin. look, we don't know why the action has been taken out, we also don't know if this is definitely putin initiated. it benefits putin, it's what he would've wanted, but ultimately to give him deniability the security operators around him have made the decision to take out prigozhin. but ultimately it does benefit him. i think in terms of timing for brics it's actually unhelpful for timing for brics it's actually unhelpfulfor putin, timing for brics it's actually unhelpful for putin, specifically now there will be more questions. prigozhin developed significant personal relations with african leaders, it was him who is personally opening the door in africa for russia. it's interesting to see how this is progressing, putin �*s focus will continue to be securing the excess of influence and africa. ., , ., ., ,, africa. the goal that you talked about, africa. the goal that you talked about. that _ africa. the goal that you talked about, that financial _ africa. the goal that you talked about, that financial flow - africa. the goal that you talked about, that financial flow from | about, that financial flow from african countries, that is crucial to bankrolling the war effort in ukraine. ~ ,,., , to bankrolling the war effort in ukraine. ~ , , ., ., to bankrolling the war effort in ukraine. ~ , ., ., ukraine. absolutely and there are so many countries _ ukraine. absolutely and there are so many countries across _ ukraine. absolutely and there are so many countries across africa, - ukraine. absolutely and there are so many countries across africa, for - many countries across africa, for example the amount of gold being exported cannot be added up. one of prigozhin �*s former deputies gave evidence to her committee where he made it very clear this is a very transactional relationship. we will help failing african dictators hold onto power and in return you give us your natural resources so that we can make the kremlin more wealthy. this is what has been going on. and thatis this is what has been going on. and that is what will continue to be the case. but the reality is the governments across the world need to get a grip with private military companies because there are far more thanjust the wagner companies because there are far more than just the wagner network out there and 10 one. particularly in places like niger. you there and 10 one. particularly in places like niger.— places like niger. you lifted the veil on what _ places like niger. you lifted the veil on what wagner _ places like niger. you lifted the veil on what wagner was - places like niger. you lifted the veil on what wagner was all- places like niger. you lifted the i veil on what wagner was all about, why it took two years to come up with all this evidence, why the british government wasn't able to see for itself with this group is all about, why did it take so long? my all about, why did it take so long? my great frustration is that the wagner network has been seen three european prism because of its actions in ukraine. the wagner network was unknown for a majority of people and it was the renewed invasion of ukraine where you suck prigozhin come out into the light. it was about a year ago a fantastic man who leads billing... wasn't in charge of the wagner network, he had nothing to do with it. so this is a group who operates on the shadows. a micro decision is, yes, they have been operating in the shadows but their footprint in africa is significant, they have a footprint in afghanistan, the middle east, as well as europe. they are a transnational criminal mafia and it is absolutely wrong that we haven't had sufficient focus within the british government but also allied governments to crack down on them or to work out how to medicate the worst excess of their behaviours. when they go into a country, human atrocities always always increase. if it was prescribed as a terrorist group, al-qaeda, that sort of thing, what difference would that make, what difference would that make, what powers would that give to the british government? taste what powers would that give to the british government?— british government? we all know there is far _ british government? we all know there is far too _ british government? we all know there is far too much _ british government? we all know there is far too much russian i british government? we all know. there is far too much russian money swirling around london and also those who enable them come of the estate agents, the lawyers, the pr people, private lifestyle managers. these would allow us to prosecute those who enable, support, finance, and work with the wagner network and start to crack down on that rush of money within our system. it would also send a very strong message to all those governments choosing to operate with wagner, that they are choosing to operate with a terrorist organisation. so actually we would hope the impact would notjust be good for the uk in terms of keeping our people safe and cracking down on them, but ultimately could reduce them, but ultimately could reduce the amount of trust he is taking place in africa by forcing the government to finally take a decision and to stop operating with wagner. decision and to stop operating with wa . ner. , decision and to stop operating with warner. , ., decision and to stop operating with warner. , . , ., _ wagner. there is that hesitancy, we've seen _ wagner. there is that hesitancy, we've seen it — wagner. there is that hesitancy, we've seen it from _ wagner. there is that hesitancy, we've seen it from rama - wagner. there is that hesitancy, we've seen it from rama posa, i wagner. there is that hesitancy, i we've seen it from rama posa, the prison of south africa today to get to closely aligned with brics and pull into the west and organisations. it was prescribed in that way, this would send a further signal that international rules we are putting in place still have to be observed? because that is at root of why they are pulling away. it of why they are pulling away. it would make it far more difficult for countries to choose to partner with them, but look, let's be real about this. certain countries like south africa claimed that they have a historical relationship with the soviet union because the a and c, the ruling party in south africa was armed by the soviet union. but they forget in the narrative is that ukraine was part of the soviet union and that actually a lot of the weapons that were taken to south africa to support the anc were made in ukraine. the arguments being made by some countries in africa in regards to why they need to support russia are bogus. the reality is we all have to take a stand, we do not accept sovereignty being achieved through violence and those who refuse to take a position i will regret it and it's absolutely wrong that they are choosing to take that position. i that they are choosing to take that osition. ., ., ., a that they are choosing to take that osition. ., ., ., ,~' i., .,, position. i got to ask you as well about the russians _ position. i got to ask you as well about the russians who - position. i got to ask you as well about the russians who are i position. i got to ask you as well about the russians who are here in london, bill bradley was just talking about it. any his view to close of a relationship between that money and the conservative government, do you think the sanctions that are in place are being properly observed, are we isolating those that are close to the kremlin here in london, have we gone far enough? i the kremlin here in london, have we gone far enough?— gone far enough? i hope so but clearly we _ gone far enough? i hope so but clearly we haven't _ gone far enough? i hope so but clearly we haven't yet - gone far enough? i hope so but clearly we haven't yet gone i clearly we haven't yet gone far enough because there is still too many partners, wives, daughters, mattresses, russian oligarchs that are opening and endorsing and enabling putin, taking holidays in europe and also in london, we do need to go further. band europe and also in london, we do need to go further.— europe and also in london, we do need to go further. and the reality that... these — need to go further. and the reality that... these licenses _ need to go further. and the reality that... these licenses that - that... these licenses that the treasury are granting to some of these oligarchs for their own security or for the maids or housecleaners that clean their apartments here in london, where we not cracking down on that? itruieiiii not cracking down on that? well that's exactly — not cracking down on that? -ii that's exactly something that i have called for as chair of the foreign affairs committee, we have been very clear that we expect the treasury and all organs of the state to take more action. it is unacceptable for these people to be in the uk it is on acceptable for their money to be swirling around. lots of action has been taken by the government over the last few years, i do want to be tribute to that, when i go to the us i have people asking me if they can copy some of the legislation... essentially ripped out the dirt and we make sure exactly we do exactly that. . , we make sure exactly we do exactly that. ., , ., ., we make sure exactly we do exactly that. . , ., ., ,, ., that. really good to talk to you this evening. — that. really good to talk to you this evening, thank _ that. really good to talk to you this evening, thank you - that. really good to talk to you this evening, thank you very i that. really good to talk to you i this evening, thank you very much for coming on the programme, again, the chair of the commons foreign selection committee that put together that report on the wagner group, questioning the reaction. thank you so much, good night. what thank you so much, good night. what warner thank you so much, good night. what wagner have — thank you so much, good night. what wagner have been _ thank you so much, good night. what wagner have been doing on the african continent. you're watching the context tonight, there's a plane that was shut down, we think it was shot down over russia. these are pictures of the plane on the ground in russia. yevgeny prigozhin, the boss of the wagner group was on board that plane. you're watching the contacts on bbc news. for the was the onboard? we will be very all the reaction — was the onboard? we will be very all the reaction this _ was the onboard? we will be very all the reaction this evening. _ was the onboard? we will be very all the reaction this evening. also i was the onboard? we will be very all the reaction this evening. also on i the reaction this evening. also on the reaction this evening. also on the programme dawn trump has lead. the pretenders take the seat tonight. the first contenders of the season. mr trump's lawyer and ally rudy giuliani hasjust season. mr trump's lawyer and ally rudy giuliani has just been arraigned in fulton county. 20 discuss tonight.

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