they were found in the evros region of northeast greece, outside the village of avantas. initial reports suggest the victims are migrants and an investigation is under way. our senior international correspondent orla guerin is on the border between turkey and greece with more. what is rediscovered in a forest area across the border in the greek region of evros illegal coronets at all 18 were male and two were younger, possibly miners. autopsies will be held in a few hours time for the before that, dna samples will be taken to try and begin the process of identifying the dead. at bbc news spoke to one man, a syrian who is worried his cousin was among the group. he says the young man was 27. had travelled here to turkey, with a group of other syrians, afghans and iraqis and their plan was to cross the border illegally from turkey as many do and head to the region of evros where wildfires are taking place. he lost contact with his cousin three days ago and said poignantly that if this group had been in trouble, evenif this group had been in trouble, even if the fires had been coming close to them, they would not have called for help from the turkish or greek authorities because they would have been afraid of being sent back across the border. we are giving reports there is anger in some villages increase close to where the forests are taking place at some local residents are blaming migrants for starting fires. though there is no evidence of that because we know there are still two fire fronts active fire fronts near the greek city of advent jobless and the 240 firefighters are working to try and get the places under control. —— blazes. firefighters have been responding to major flare ups across greece, with many towns facing evacuations. the fires have been whipped up by high winds and temperatures that continue to climb. on tuesday, several places reached over 40 degrees celsius, which is 104 fahrenheit. a hospital in one city had to be evacuated, with newborn babies and intensive care patients rushed to safety. in the past three days, more than 380,000 acres of land have burned in the region, spreading rapidly in the large wooded dadia national park. residents there are facing widespread loss. translation: it has reached the entire village. our own house up entire village. our own house up there with the fire started has completely burned down. there is nothing. far, only firing. that is what we can see. the wind is so strong. from fires in greece we turn our attention across the atlantic to the blazes in canada. about a thousand wildfires continue to devastate the country there. it's canada's worst wildfire season on record. more than 37 million acres have burned, forcing mass evacuations. troops have been deployed to fight blazes in parts of the country that cover an area the size of greece. in the province of british columbia, firefighters battling blazes in kelowna say their biggest challenge is the lack of visibility. smoke blanketing the region has prompted air quality warnings across the country and further south in the us. but some rain in the province has helped. our correspondent wyre davies is in british columbia with more. with around 8000 wildfires happening, this has been one of the worst of wildfires seasons and canada's recent history. many of them happening here in british columbia. here, people on this side of the lake thought they were safe with a whole mountain on the western side ablaze behind them. when burning and members were blown two kilometres across the lake, fires started here and people had to flee for their lives. with all this wind and smoke it is still too early to say the full extent of the damage. this is as close as we can get to the fires on the side of the lake, only essential workers, fire crews, police, minister for workers being allowed in. the problem the authorities haveis the problem the authorities have is because of the smoke, it is really difficult to map out and attacked where the fires are. there are pockets of flames down by the lakeside and with the wind changing, sometimes there are fires in the hills, sometimes they disappear. about 27,000, 30,000 people remain under threat of evacuation here. the situation is being wrought under control and thankfully there has been no loss of life, but the loss of property and lots of houses, lost business has been quite significant. police are maintaining roadblocks down by the side of the lake and probably going to remain that way for some time to come. these are some of the worst fires, worst wildfires this area has seen for many years. and one other note from canada, a new report out tuesday says climate change made the wildfires twice as likely, increasing the chance of extreme fire weather conditions, increasing the chance of extreme fire weather conditions in eastern canada. here in the us, two of donald trump's co—defendants have surrendered to authorities in the state of georgia. john eastman, trump's former personal attorney, and scott hall — a georgia bail bondsman became the first of 19 co—defendents to surrender, ahead of friday's deadline. hall faces seven charges related to his alleged involvement in a 2021 voting systems breach in georgia's coffee county. however, it's eastman who is considered to be a key figure in the 2020 election—meddling plot. he faces nine counts of racketeering and conspiracy. trump's ex—lawyer allegedly planned to urge state senators to disregard georgia's election results and appoint fake electors. his bond was set at $100,000. eastman spoke to reporters after his surrender. meanwhile, all eyes are on the fulton countyjail where donald trump is expected to surrender sometime on thursday. meanwhile on wednesday the city of milwaukee will host the first republican presidential debate of the 2024 campaign. eight out of the nine candidates that qualified for the debate will take the stage. among them are florida governor ron desantis, currently second to trump in polls, as well as trump's former vice president mike pence. debate topics are not revealed beforehand, but a host for fox news, the network hosting the debate, indicated that abortion and trump's criminal indictments could be on the table. the notable exception is former president donald trump. instead, trump's interview with conservative commentator tucker carlson will air on x, formerly known as twitter. trump is currently the frontrunner for the republican nomination. wisconsin has proven to be a must—win state for presidential campaigns in recent years. four of the past six presidential elections have been decided by less than a percentage point there, with trump winning narrowly in 2016 before losing by a similar margin to president biden in 2020. for more on the debate, i spoke to lanhee chen, the director of policy studies at stanford university and chief policy adviser for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign. thank you to much forjoining us on our show tonight. with donald trump not taking part in this debate, who will the candidates focus on as they are trying to come up with a clear and decisive winner here? i think a and decisive winner here? i thinka number of and decisive winner here? i think a number of candidates have different goals. obviously for florida governor ron desantis his goal is to come out of this debate as the principal opponent of donald trump. he wants to put himself in a different category. he wants to demonstrate he is equipped both with respect to issues and with respect to his personal posture that he is the one to take on trump as the competition goes forward. for other candidates, it is a bit of a scrum. to stand out and introduce themselves and be potentially if the alternative if ron desantis falters. i put nikki haley and mike pence and tim scott and that category. all accomplished politicians, people were record that would be seen by many americans as credible candidates for presidency. then you have others that are sort of they are reallyjust others that are sort of they are really just to others that are sort of they are reallyjust to make a point. to have their moment on stage, people who have something interesting to say but probably who are not going to be the nominee of the party eventually. their goal is to really just have a eventually. their goal is to reallyjust have a moment, moment the goes viral, moment that seen by people and an opportunity to introduce themselves to the public who watches this debate. for themselves to the public who watches this debate.- watches this debate. for ron desantis and _ watches this debate. for ron desantis and for _ watches this debate. for ron desantis and for those - watches this debate. for ron desantis and for those in - watches this debate. for ron | desantis and for those in that scrum as you called it, what message do they need to deliver to actually breakthrough? it is simle. to actually breakthrough? it is simple. we're _ to actually breakthrough? it 3 simple. we're going to be trapped without the drama of trump. they are going to present the same kinds policies and judicial appointments and postures that republican primary voters care about without the baggage the former president has, without the indictments, without the legal difficulty, without the division the former president causes. it is about presenting themselves as an alternative who can fight, do the same things trump does that a lot of voters like in the republican party but without the possibility those legal troubles, those issues the former president has will cause a loss tojoe biden and the general election. present themselves in essence as trump without the baggage. what themselves in essence as trump without the baggage. what about the former president? _ without the baggage. what about the former president? he - without the baggage. what about the former president? he said i the former president? he said it is a no—brainer he is the front runner by miles, no reason to take part in this debate. do you think it is a wise decision? he debate. do you think it is a wise decision?— debate. do you think it is a wise decision? he is right for that he is _ wise decision? he is right for that he is the _ wise decision? he is right for that he is the front _ wise decision? he is right for that he is the front runner i wise decision? he is right for that he is the front runner by a mile but if i was advising politically i would say there is no reason for you to participate in this debate, there is only downside. i understand from the perspective of political strategy, it is disappointing from the perspective of democratic governance and norms for that you want front runners and people who are in the position the former president is into still subject themselves to competition. in an ideal world, that competition, if you are a donald trump supporter, makes him even better. i understand the decision here. i think it is probably the right decision for the politics of what the former president is. from the perspective of the voting public as well as probably the media covering this and having him in the debate would have it be more interesting.— be more interesting. let's talk about the _ be more interesting. let's talk about the voting _ be more interesting. let's talk about the voting public. - be more interesting. let's talk about the voting public. howl about the voting public. how important debates like these for helping voters make up their minds? it for helping voters make up their minds?— for helping voters make up their minds? , ., their minds? it is important we have a lot _ their minds? it is important we have a lot of — their minds? it is important we have a lot of unknowns, - their minds? it is important we have a lot of unknowns, as - their minds? it is important we have a lot of unknowns, as we | have a lot of unknowns, as we do now. a lot of voters, as much as the folks who watch this programme or follow the news might know who nikki haley and might know who tim scott r, the reality is the vast majority of pop republican primary voters don't have an opinion of any of these candidates. they can play an important role in informing people who these candidates are, what they stand for, what their personal backgrounds are, why they are running for president. at this phase of the campaign, iwould president. at this phase of the campaign, i would say they can play a very important role. when we get into the seventh or eighth or ninth debate, you can argue about the utility of these things but certainly for now, with where we stand in the campaign and forthe now, with where we stand in the campaign and for the candidates in the republican primary who are not donald trump, these debates are quite significant indeed. ~ , debates are quite significant indeed. , ., ~ , indeed. wisconsin workers debate is _ indeed. wisconsin workers debate is taking _ indeed. wisconsin workers debate is taking place - indeed. wisconsin workers debate is taking place is i indeed. wisconsin workers i debate is taking place is also very competitive stay between democrats and republicans right now. how important do you think it is these candidates on stage to impress voters in that state? , ., state? extremely important. with presidential— state? extremely important. with presidential elections i with presidential elections really come down to a handful of states. wisconsin being one of states. wisconsin being one of them for the pennsylvania, georgia, arizona, nevada. we know the states that tend to be relatively close in these elections. that is really what it comes down to. it is going to be important to this candidates in wisconsin to make their points, notjust for a their points, not just for a republican their points, notjust for a republican primary electorate but go back to another one of your questions, it is also about demonstrating they have the capacity and ability to win in a state like wisconsin come next november. it is not going to be be all about legal troubles or the overhang from various crimes the former president may have committed. it is really about being able to put their front foot forward. their best impression of who they are as they seek support. notjust from support. not just from republican primary support. notjust from republican primary voters but from the electorate more broadly next november. final question. _ broadly next november. final question, what _ broadly next november. final question, what will— broadly next november. final question, what will you - broadly next november. final question, what will you be . question, what will you be looking up for when you watch the debate on wednesday? aha, looking up for when you watch the debate on wednesday? a few thins. i the debate on wednesday? a few thinqs- twill— the debate on wednesday? a few things. i will be _ the debate on wednesday? a few things. i will be interested - the debate on wednesday? a few things. i will be interested to - things. i will be interested to see how ron desantis performed. is he truly got to be the person who was the principal alternative? is he going to focus entirely on his as work agenda? is going to expand the end talk about issues we have been a little bit stronger? like what he will do to fix the us economy. i am interested to see who stands up on the rest of the pack for the bull tim scott present himself as a viable alternative? will nikki haley or mike pence breakout? the final thing is i'm looking for a bible moment for that which one of these candidates is going to be able to generate the 1—liner or moment people are going to be talking about the morning after the debate? that is really i think what i'm going to be watching for and what a lot of primary voters are going to be watching for as well. , ., ., , , well. great to get insights. thank you _ well. great to get insights. thank you so _ well. great to get insights. thank you so much - well. great to get insights. thank you so much for- well. great to get insights. i thank you so much forjoining us. thank you so much for “oining us. . ~' thank you so much for “oining us. . ~ , ., around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. a dramatic cable car rescue in pakistan captivated the nation and the world on tuesday. eight people were pulled to safety by locals and rescue teams using zip wires, despite darkness and high winds. the six children and two adults were left dangling hundreds of feet over a ravine after a cable broke. pakistan's caretaker prime minister praised the "great team work" by those involved. at least 15 migrants are dead and dozens more injured after a bus crash in central mexico. most of the victims are venezuelan. local authorities believe the bus struck a trailer while on a highway in the state of puebla. migrants are often transported by bus from mexico's southern border with guatemala as they head north to the us. nasa has released new images from the james webb space telescope that show the intricate details of a dying star's final stages. the glowing halo and vibrant colours are from the ring nebula — one of the greatest examples of gas and dust regions formed from dying stars. you're live with bbc news. a three—day summit of five major emerging economies known as brics is under way injohannesburg, south africa. the bloc�*s members — brazil, russia, india, china, and south africa — make up nearly 40% of the world's population and about a quarter of global gdp. they're looking to offer an alternative to what they see as western—led global alliances — though member countries differ onjust how to achieve that vision. in fact, brazil's president, luiza inacio lula da silva, insisted that it was not the group's aim to compete he said: china's president xi jinping is also attending the summit, and was expected to deliver a speech at the forum. he failed to show up and his commerce minister delivered xi's comments instead. to get more perspective i spoke to susan thornton, former us acting assistant secretary of state, oliver stuenkel, from brazil's fundacao getulio vargas, and katherine hadda from the us think tank csis. i want to start with you with a one piece of news from the assignment, orthe one piece of news from the assignment, or the leaders speaking at this brics business forum except the president xi jinping and many questions are being asked as to why that is. what you of this? we being asked as to why that is. what you of this?— being asked as to why that is. what you of this? we really do not know i _ what you of this? we really do not know i know _ what you of this? we really do not know i know one _ what you of this? we really do not know i know one is - what you of this? we really do not know i know one is saying | not know i know one is saying in south africa what happened. it was scheduled to give a speech. he did appear with the south african president earlier in the day and i understand he appeared at a dinner following the session. so whether he was tired and skipped it or whether he was feeling ill, we do not know. it is interesting that he chose to the session that was with the business people, which has been a source of criticism of things that have been operating in the chinese economy lately. we operating in the chinese economy lately. operating in the chinese econom latel . ~ ~ ., ., economy lately. we know that china's economic _ economy lately. we know that china's economic interest - economy lately. we know that | china's economic interest plays very large in this forum and i thought it was interesting how president lula said he did not want brics to rival the g7 g20 but that is what russia and china are aiming to build his so to what extent is brazil seeing this as an opportunity to counter the us influence? that's exactly the key division between brics countries. india, south africa and brazil consider themselves to be basically non— allying countries. they would like to deepen ties to china and even russia but that should not come at the expense of their relations to the united states. president lula has said that and that is why brazil is somewhat sceptical of expansion if that includes countries that embrace and and high western discourse. discussion russian anti—western discourse. so this will be interesting to see how it plays out and it has been key at most brics summits, with russia and china seeking to seize and explicitly anti—western and others saying they are part of brics and want to strengthen brics and want to help in a way to democratise the system in the global south but they do not want to be explicitly and high american all anti—western —— anti—american. all anti-western -- anti-american. . . ., anti-american. catherine coming back to you. _ anti-american. catherine coming back to you, with _ anti-american. catherine coming back to you, with all _ anti-american. catherine coming back to you, with all the - anti-american. catherine coming back to you, with all the white i back to you, with all the white house national security advisor jake sullivan say that it was a very diverse collection of countries with differences of view on critical issues. india is one of the countries of a differing view. how does india walk the line of aligning with brics countries on the one hand but also maintaining its relationship with the us and the eu? ., , ., , ., the eu? that is a good question and i think— the eu? that is a good question and i think india _ the eu? that is a good question and i think india has _ the eu? that is a good question and i think india has a _ the eu? that is a good question and i think india has a long - and i think india has a long and— and i think india has a long and proud tradition of trying to maintain independence in foreign— to maintain independence in foreign affairs. brics since the first_ foreign affairs. brics since the first came together in 2001, _ the first came together in 2001, india continued to checked the box it wanted to in terms — checked the box it wanted to in terms of— checked the box it wanted to in terms of asserting its own economic independence and also being _ economic independence and also being a _ economic independence and also being a standard bearer for the global— being a standard bearer for the global south. i think what has changed — global south. i think what has changed over that time is the world — changed over that time is the world and india's own ambitions. it is much more assertive _ ambitions. it is much more assertive on the world stage and there are tensions with china — and there are tensions with china which are not getting better, _ china which are not getting better, not only along the border— better, not only along the border but also along india's periphery. i think india would see china's activities in nepal, _ see china's activities in nepal, myanmaras see china's activities in nepal, myanmar as destabilising and then— nepal, myanmar as destabilising and then further along with a belt — and then further along with a belt and _ and then further along with a belt and road initiative. and there — belt and road initiative. and there has been an uncomfortable awareness with how independent india awareness with how independent india is, — awareness with how independent india is, as is united states and — india is, as is united states and other— india is, as is united states and other countries for things like inputs for pharmaceuticals. so,... like inputs for harmaceuticals. so,... ., like inputs for harmaceuticals.so,... . , pharmaceuticals. so,... that is a really good — pharmaceuticals. so,... that is a really good point _ pharmaceuticals. so,... that is a really good point and - pharmaceuticals. so,... that is a really good point and will. a really good point and will come back to that. i want to bring you back and ask you what the china's central aims are for the summit. what you think they are? for the summit. what you think the are? ., for the summit. what you think the are? . . ., , ., , they are? china certainly wants use brics _ they are? china certainly wants use brics to — they are? china certainly wants use brics to gather _ they are? china certainly wants use brics to gather friends - use brics to gather friends together, countries can work within the global arena. it is not included in the g7 and in the quad, which india is in with india, with the us, japan and australia and so this is the way that they can gather other voices where they have not gathered global governance in other groups and i china wants to see the group expand because that expands their interest. it wants to push a concerted effort on global institutions, multi lateral —ism and russia and china always talk in the brics about the transition to multi polarity which a number of the other countries in brics would also pout and it gives them a bigger voice in the global system. i think russia and china want to give it the antar us hegemony and anti—western gloss which other countries are saying they do not want to pursue, but they want to pursue a multi alignment and get what they can with relations from countries on both sides of the equation. countries on both sides of the euuation. ., , ., countries on both sides of the equation-— countries on both sides of the euuation. . , ., equation. that is a good point. it equation. that is a good point. it important — equation. that is a good point. it important to _ equation. that is a good point. it important to note _ equation. that is a good point. it important to note that - equation. that is a good point. it important to note that these j it important to note that these are countries that have refused to reject russia's war on ukraine as well which is played a role as well. coming back to the question of expansion because president lou la has been sceptical of expansion in the past but did say the following and said he wanted brics to be a multilateral institution but not an exclusive club but added that any new members would have to meet new conditions so it doesn't become a tower of babel is the well is the actually stand on brics growing and including new members? that is a question _ including new members? that is a question that _ including new members? that is a question that many _ including new members? that is a question that many resilient i a question that many resilient diplomats are asking because brazil has traditionally been sceptical of expansion, above all, because brics is a very powerful brand. it is a status booster. brazil currently does not have high growth or nuclear weapons so the brics seal has been quite important for, in orderfor brazil to been quite important for, in order for brazil to project itself globally. if you are expand and basically that you're everyone in then brics will lose its exclusivity and prestige that it infers on its members. brazil has always, i've seen throughout the years of meetings, is always trying together with india to tone down the rhetoric of the final declarations. if you and say five countries, brazil worries that it may not be able to do that it may not be able to do that —— that it may not be able to do that -- - that it may not be able to do that —— — if you add five countries. president lula is known to sometimes speak of the calf and get carried away and he has called for venezuela's inclusion, something the foreign ministry rejects. he has also spoken in favour of argentina's inclusion, which seems unspeakable given the next president may be a far right person, so my sense is that brazil does not want to be the sole obstacle to expansion. i probably guess that if all the others are ok, if adding indonesia all saudi arabia for example, there will probably be ok with that, brazil, because they are allies.— they are allies. and economically - they are allies. and | economically strong they are allies. and _ economically strong countries. catherine, how does the question of expansion expose the power dynamics at play? i would already state there is already a tower of babel but in terms of expansion, india has made clear it is not opposed to expansion. the foreign minister said they are open to it but also described it as they work in progress. i think what they are asking for a strict criteria, preset and consensus in admitting new members, which is a way frankly of slow rolling it a little bit and ensuring, again, iagree rolling it a little bit and ensuring, again, i agree with others that new members do not antagonise the other partnerships that india is building bilaterally and regionally, like with us and the quad and with western europe. the quad and with western euroe. ,, the quad and with western euro e, ,, ., the quad and with western euroe. ,, ., europe. susan, a quick last question. _ europe. susan, a quick last question, how _ europe. susan, a quick last question, how much - europe. susan, a quick last question, how much does l europe. susan, a quick last - question, how much does china's belt and road initiative and economic interest play into having brics expand? i think the belt and _ having brics expand? i think the belt and road _ having brics expand? i think the belt and road initiative l having brics expand? i think| the belt and road initiative is running into some slow down. they have the new development back as part of brics. one of the questions they were probably talking about is how many resources are there available in that development plot for these countries and can china still be a kind of, source of growth for these countries? that's all from us here in washington. i'm sumi somaskanda. we leave you with these live pictures of london. our colleagues there will pick up at the top of the hour. thanks for watching bbc news. hello. some of us have seen some warm late summer sunshine over the past few days, particularly across parts of southern and eastern england. and that theme is going to continue, at least for the next day or so. now, this is how we ended the day on tuesday. there have been some really beautiful sunsets. this was the picture in guernsey. and as we head through the day on wednesday, a bit more of the same. so, yes, some warm sunshine around, but also a few showers, particularly across some northern and western parts. now we'll start the day a little bit fresher than recent mornings. so looking at mid single figures for some parts of rural scotland, but still in the mid—teens further south, still relatively warm and humid here. there'll be some low cloud moving in across parts of wales, perhaps through the bristol channel. a few splashes of light rain across this region, this is a weak front here, and also a few showers moving into parts of western scotland, perhaps one or two for northern ireland through the course of the morning. some sunny spells for eastern scotland, but later in the day, one or two showers cropping up here. but long spells of blue sky and sunshine for southern england and east anglia, where temperatures again could reach 25—26 degrees. but typically the high teens further north. now through wednesday evening, then, we'll start to see a few more showers working in from the north and the west. the breeze picking up, too, with those heavy showers, particularly across parts of scotland. they'll merge into longer spells of rain into thursday morning for parts of northern england, perhaps north wales as well. to the south of that, still quite warm and muggy. the temperatures remaining in double figures fairly widely on into thursday morning. now, thursday's weather still a bit of uncertainty, but we are dominated by low pressure that's moving its way into a couple of weather fronts here on the chart. this one's going to bring some showery rain into parts of northern ireland, particularly into scotland, though, could be quite heavy and thundery. and further south also the chance of some heavy showers and perhaps some thunderstorms for central, southern and eastern parts of england as well. in between, i think a bit of dry weather with some sunshine for the likes of northern ireland, northern england as well. so temperatures, again, at the high teens in the north. the mid 20s, though, quite a contrast, further south across the uk. and then as we head towards the end of the week into the weekend, low pressure looks like it clears towards the east, high pressure in the atlantic. that's going to open the doors for a bit more of a northerly or northwesterly flow of air. so from a colder direction. so still some sunshine in the forecast at times as we head through the course of the weekend. but equally, some scattered showers around, more frequent towards the north. and those temperatures return to more typical for the time of year. bye— bye. voice-over: this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines 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