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and ai, the shortcut to quicker and cheaper diagnoses — scientists in sweden say it can accurately detect 20% more breast cancers than screening by radiologists. will not get some reaction from the from sweden —— we will. good evening. if the special counsel's case is upheld, then donald trump orchestrated one of the most sensationalfrauds in the history of the united states, a litany of lies and conspiracy fuelled by a desperate attempt to cling to power. in a 45—page, four—count indictment, prosecutorjack smith dispenses with any notion that the former president believed his claims of election fraud. "the defendant he says knew that they were false and lied about them anyway," to instil, he says, a "national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and to erode public faith in the administration of the election". there are millions of trump supporters who embraced the narrative that this is political persecution, but for trump, there is now significant legaljeopardy. impeached twice, arrested twice, charged in three criminal cases and soon to be indicted in a fourth in the state of georgia. our north america editor sarah smith reports. die—hard trump supporters were anything but distraught as they learnt of the latest charges against him. these people do believe he's being unfairly persecuted, but also that he can beat the rap. he's going to beat the case. i think it's helping his popularity. most people believe he's a martyr, you know, just being persecuted, and i think he'll get more votes. i pledge allegiance! keeping a vigil outside a washington prison that houses some of the january 6th rioters, they think this largely democratic city will be hostile territory for a trump trial. do you think that if a dcjury finds donald trump guilty, am i going to think that that was legitimate? laughter no! i, donald john trump do solemnly swear... president trump swore to defend the constitution of the united states. but now he's accused of spreading lies and deceit, in a desperate attempt to stay in power, despite knowing he had lost the 2020 election. the police are now running back... the violent attack on january 6th was, say prosecutors, the result of his prolific lies, as he deliberately created nationwide mistrust and anger. the attack on our nation's capitol on january 6th 2021 was an unprecedented assault on the seat of american democracy. as described in the indictment, it was fuelled by lies. lies by the defendant, targeted at obstructing a bedrock function of the us government, the nation's process of collecting, counting and certifying the results of the presidential election. mr trump claims he is being politically persecuted and that his treatment is reminiscent of nazi germany in the 1930s. why did they wait two and a half years? you know why? because he's leading in the polls! because they're afraid of him becoming president and dismantling the uniparty! dismantling the deep state! the indianola parade in iowa always features gary leffler. he went to support trump in washington on the 6th ofjanuary, but didn't break into the capitol. the democrats, their new playbook is to whoever the republican nominee is, they're going to try to press criminal charges on them. i don't like it, but, you know, that's the way they decide to do it. this state will be the first to pick a republican candidate, so voters here follow politics closely and were fully expecting mr trump to be charged with trying to overturn the election. given all the legal troubles that there are right now, . i don't think that he's a viable candidate. i and every time he gets indicted, his poll numbers seem to go up and he gets more popular, more people want him to be president. because he has people believing that this is all deep state against him, and he's there protecting them from the deep state that's going to take over this country. donald trump insists he will continue his presidential campaign, even if he is convicted and jailed for trying to overturn the results of the last election. sarah smith, bbc news, washington. let's cross to washington, dc. imagine security is tight whether or not donald trump shows up. find imagine security is tight whether or not donald trump shows up. and we've seen before when _ not donald trump shows up. and we've seen before when we _ not donald trump shows up. and we've seen before when we covered - not donald trump shows up. and we've seen before when we covered his - seen before when we covered his indictment it's always a media spectacle. we don't know if you'll turn up in person, so he did previously, but he has been given an option of appearing virtually or in person. but there are also some reports that thejudge person. but there are also some reports that the judge will decide. of course security will be tight here, and the police have been walking around just trying to make sure everything's 0k. walking around just trying to make sure everything's ok. if he does turn up, donald trump will have his security detail. he has a secret service agents and he will be... there are still ongoing investigations into january the 6th. so many alleged rioters who are still having their cases heard, and we understand that the judge office here has postponed some of those hearings till next week. that gives us an indication that they are clearing the debt, and potentially donald trump arriving here tomorrow. will he enter a plea?— will he enter a plea? well, he's very likely _ will he enter a plea? well, he's very likely to — will he enter a plea? well, he's very likely to plead _ will he enter a plea? well, he's very likely to plead not - will he enter a plea? well, he's very likely to plead not guilty i very likely to plead not guilty because that's what he's done previously. if you look at all the reactions that he's been giving just before the indictment, even today on social media, he is making it very clear that he has done nothing wrong, he is leaning in on that support that we always see him get as we heard there. that he is the victim of a political witch hunts. and it does work. we've seen that with his supporters. we know dc is a very liberal city. there have been some people who have been protesting about donald trump. one man turned up about donald trump. one man turned up in an orangejumpsuit with about donald trump. one man turned up in an orange jumpsuit with a donald trump mask in handcuffs. we don't expect to see him in handcuffs, by the way. two men walked past and said what about president biden, what about his son? they should be locked up as well. we're seeing those polarisations already on the eve of his arraignment.— already on the eve of his arraignment. already on the eve of his arraiunment. ~ . .., ,, already on the eve of his arraiunment. ~ . u, ,, , arraignment. what can you tell us about the judge — arraignment. what can you tell us about the judge in _ arraignment. what can you tell us about the judge in this _ arraignment. what can you tell us about the judge in this case? - arraignment. what can you tell us about the judge in this case? so, | about the 'udge in this case? so, the 'udue about the judge in this case? so, the judge - _ about the judge in this case? ’srr, the judge — this is really about the judge in this case? srr, the judge — this is really and thejudge — this is really and interesting — i think there'll be a of focus on the judge, who was appointed by the former president barack obama. she is known for handing out some of the most severe sentences to the rioters. more than 400 have been charged, some of them are serving jail sentences. and i just want to let you know she made a quick ahead of the arraignment as well, so she today told an attorney the... this is what's being reported. she hasn't slept since she received the assignment. she has said in open court, "i'll try to get sleep and in case i can get out of town, which is looking like a good idea." this is what we know about thejudge so far. idea." this is what we know about the judge so far. as you heard there in sarah's report, there are already those who support donald trump to say there is no way that you can get a fair trial in a place like dc, a very left—leaning part of america with thejudge who very left—leaning part of america with the judge who is known for handing out severe sentences. but in florida, thejury�*s going handing out severe sentences. but in florida, the jury's going to handing out severe sentences. but in florida, thejury�*s going to be picked out of that state, which is a very red state which leans toward donald trump which is very popular for donald trump. but he's also said he can't get a fair trial there. i think it's fair to say he generally views any kind of trial against him as being unfair. stat; views any kind of trial against him as being unfair.— as being unfair. stay there for us. i want to bring in two of our friends. amanda renterria and ron christie, nice to see you guys. third time injust overfour months he's been indicted. he might face more charges before the summer is done in georgia as well. but this one much more significant for american democracy. that's right. it's comprehensive, it's significant, it brings in seven states, _ it's significant, it brings in seven states, it — it's significant, it brings in seven states, it brings in conversations with political leaders that have engaged in this conversation for a very long — engaged in this conversation for a very long time, so at the highest levels _ very long time, so at the highest levels of— very long time, so at the highest levels of government, people are now coming _ levels of government, people are now coming through the 45 pages. where might— coming through the 45 pages. where might they have had a conversation? this is— might they have had a conversation? this is different. it is different because — this is different. it is different because it is at a high level, it is talking _ because it is at a high level, it is talking about the seriousness of our democracy— talking about the seriousness of our democracy and it hits differently across _ democracy and it hits differently across the board for elective leaders _ across the board for elective leaders that are in place today and who are _ leaders that are in place today and who are also thinking about the future — who are also thinking about the future of— who are also thinking about the future of america in terms of presidential campaigns that are going _ presidential campaigns that are going on— presidential campaigns that are going on as this is happening in the background. going on as this is happening in the background-— background. there's clearly an im atient background. there's clearly an impatient on _ background. there's clearly an impatient on the _ background. there's clearly an impatient on the part - background. there's clearly an impatient on the part of - background. there's clearly an impatient on the part of the i background. there's clearly an - impatient on the part of the special counsel to get on with this, maybe taking precedence over the other cases. what are you hearing about timings? cases. what are you hearing about timinus? ,, cases. what are you hearing about timinus? i. cases. what are you hearing about timinus? , ., timings? so, you can see that there's a _ timings? so, you can see that there's a push _ timings? so, you can see that there's a push to _ timings? so, you can see that there's a push to get - timings? so, you can see that there's a push to get this - timings? so, you can see that i there's a push to get this done. i think— there's a push to get this done. i think exactly where trump's team is going _ think exactly where trump's team is going to _ think exactly where trump's team is going to go — think exactly where trump's team is going to go is talking about process _ they're going to tie push on both timing _ they're going to tie push on both timing and — they're going to tie push on both timing and process because the substance is comprehensive. i think this substance is comprehensive. ! think this is— substance is comprehensive. i think this is the _ substance is comprehensive. i think this is the first battle that we will he — this is the first battle that we will be engaged in. some of the trump supporters are talking _ some of the trump supporters are talking about it right now, so we have _ talking about it right now, so we have to — talking about it right now, so we have to work this out immediately. no doubt everybody wants to move through _ no doubt everybody wants to move through this as fast as possible and at the _ through this as fast as possible and at the same time being incredibly careful— at the same time being incredibly careful because this is such an unusual— careful because this is such an unusual case.— careful because this is such an unusual case. ron christie, with our unusual case. ron christie, with your legal— unusual case. ron christie, with your legal head _ unusual case. ron christie, with your legal head on, _ unusual case. ron christie, with your legal head on, i _ unusual case. ron christie, with your legal head on, ijust - unusual case. ron christie, with your legal head on, i just want l unusual case. ron christie, withl your legal head on, i just want to your legal head on, ijust want to clear a few things. there's no legal barrier to donald trump running to president while under indictment in the statement court? goad president while under indictment in the statement court? good evening, christian. no, _ the statement court? good evening, christian. no, not— the statement court? good evening, christian. no, not only— the statement court? good evening, christian. no, not only is— the statement court? good evening, christian. no, not only is there - the statement court? good evening, christian. no, not only is there no i christian. no, not only is there no legal— christian. no, not only is there no legal barrier, _ christian. no, not only is there no legal barrier, but _ christian. no, not only is there no legal barrier, but if— christian. no, not only is there no legal barrier, but if he _ christian. no, not only is there no legal barrier, but if he can - legal barrier, but if he can undoubtedly— legal barrier, but if he can undoubtedly run, - legal barrier, but if he can undoubtedly run, win - legal barrier, but if he can undoubtedly run, win and | legal barrier, but if he can _ undoubtedly run, win and potentially parted _ undoubtedly run, win and potentially parted himself— undoubtedly run, win and potentially parted himself under— undoubtedly run, win and potentially parted himself under the _ undoubtedly run, win and potentially parted himself under the united - parted himself under the united states— parted himself under the united states constitution. _ parted himself under the united states constitution. but - parted himself under the united states constitution. but let - parted himself under the united states constitution. but let me i parted himself under the united i states constitution. but let me say something — states constitution. but let me say something here _ states constitution. but let me say something here that _ states constitution. but let me say something here that i— states constitution. but let me say something here that i think- states constitution. but let me say something here that i think is - states constitution. but let me say something here that i think is veryl something here that i think is very important — something here that i think is very important in— something here that i think is very important ina— something here that i think is very important. in a criminal— something here that i think is very important. in a criminal matter, i something here that i think is very. important. in a criminal matter, you have _ important. in a criminal matter, you have to _ important. in a criminal matter, you have to prove — important. in a criminal matter, you have to prove that _ important. in a criminal matter, you have to prove that the _ important. in a criminal matter, you have to prove that the defendant isi have to prove that the defendant is guilty— have to prove that the defendant is guilty beyond — have to prove that the defendant is guilty beyond a _ have to prove that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable - have to prove that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. i guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. and i_ guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. and i looked — guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. and i looked at— guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. and i looked at this _ guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. and i looked at this indictment. guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. l and i looked at this indictment and, from my— and i looked at this indictment and, from my reading _ and i looked at this indictment and, from my reading of— and i looked at this indictment and, from my reading of it, _ and i looked at this indictment and, from my reading of it, i— and i looked at this indictment and, from my reading of it, i say- and i looked at this indictment and, from my reading of it, i say there'sl from my reading of it, i say there's a lot— from my reading of it, i say there's a lot of— from my reading of it, i say there's a lot of spacious _ from my reading of it, i say there's a lot of spacious material- from my reading of it, i say there's a lot of spacious material of it. - a lot of spacious material of it. there's— a lot of spacious material of it. there's a — a lot of spacious material of it. there's a lot _ a lot of spacious material of it. there's a lot of _ a lot of spacious material of it. there's a lot of things - a lot of spacious material of it. there's a lot of things you - a lot of spacious material of it. i there's a lot of things you could say it— there's a lot of things you could say it could _ there's a lot of things you could say it could he _ there's a lot of things you could say it could be this, _ there's a lot of things you could say it could be this, it could - there's a lot of things you could say it could be this, it could bel say it could be this, it could be that _ say it could be this, it could be that and — say it could be this, it could be that and a _ say it could be this, it could be that and a jury— say it could be this, it could be that. and a jury has _ say it could be this, it could be that. and a jury has to - say it could be this, it could be| that. and a jury has to prove... part _ that. and a jury has to prove... part of— that. and a jury has to prove... part of me. _ that. and a jury has to prove... part of me, prosecution - that. and a jury has to prove... part of me, prosecution has. that. and a jury has to prove... part of me, prosecution has to| that. and a jury has to prove... - part of me, prosecution has to prove to the _ part of me, prosecution has to prove to the jury— part of me, prosecution has to prove to the jury that — part of me, prosecution has to prove to the jury that is— part of me, prosecution has to prove to the jury that is beyond a _ to the jury that is beyond a reasonable _ to the jury that is beyond a reasonable doubt. - to the jury that is beyond a reasonable doubt. from i to the jury that is beyond a i reasonable doubt. from what i've read, _ reasonable doubt. from what i've read. i_ reasonable doubt. from what i've read. idon't— reasonable doubt. from what i've read, idon't know— reasonable doubt. from what i've read, i don't know that _ reasonable doubt. from what i've read, i don't know that i - reasonable doubt. from what i've read, i don't know that i see i reasonable doubt. from what i've read, i don't know that i see thisl read, i don't know that i see this in read, idon't know that i see this in this— read, i don't know that i see this in this indictment. _ read, idon't know that i see this in this indictment. but— read, i don't know that i see this in this indictment.— read, i don't know that i see this in this indictment. but it is a very simle in this indictment. but it is a very simple story _ in this indictment. but it is a very simple story that _ in this indictment. but it is a very simple story that jack _ in this indictment. but it is a very simple story that jack smith i in this indictment. but it is a very simple story that jack smith is i simple story that jack smith is setting out. he hasn't indicted the other co—conspirators. he wants a focus to be entirely on donald trump presumably because he wants to get this through the court quickly. why do you think you didn't indict the co—conspirators? i do you think you didn't indict the co-conspirators?_ co-conspirators? i think that's auoin to co-conspirators? i think that's going to come _ co-conspirators? i think that's going to come up _ co-conspirators? i think that's going to come up during - co-conspirators? i think that's going to come up during the i co-conspirators? i think that's i going to come up during the trial. i think— going to come up during the trial. i think when— going to come up during the trial. i think when you _ going to come up during the trial. i think when you see _ going to come up during the trial. i think when you see unindicted i think when you see unindicted co—conspirators_ think when you see unindicted co—conspirators — _ think when you see unindicted co—conspirators — and - think when you see unindicted co—conspirators — and the i co—conspirators — and the speculation— co—conspirators — and the speculation runs - co—conspirators — and the speculation runs rampant| co—conspirators — and the i speculation runs rampant right co—conspirators — and the _ speculation runs rampant right now— rudy giuliani — speculation runs rampant right now— rudy giuliani in _ speculation runs rampant right now— rudy giuliani in so _ speculation runs rampant right now— rudy giuliani in so many— speculation runs rampant right now— rudy giuliani in so many other- rudy giuliani in so many other individuals— rudy giuliani in so many other individuals in— rudy giuliani in so many other individuals in the _ rudy giuliani in so many other individuals in the trump i rudy giuliani in so many other individuals in the trump orbit. j rudy giuliani in so many otherl individuals in the trump orbit. i think— individuals in the trump orbit. i think your— individuals in the trump orbit. i think your point, _ individuals in the trump orbit. i think your point, if _ individuals in the trump orbit. i think your point, if they- individuals in the trump orbit. i think your point, if they want i individuals in the trump orbit. i| think your point, if they want to -et think your point, if they want to get to— think your point, if they want to get to the — think your point, if they want to get to the former _ think your point, if they want to get to the former president, i get to the former president, they want _ get to the former president, they want to— get to the former president, they want to do— get to the former president, they want to do this _ get to the former president, they want to do this quickly. _ get to the former president, they want to do this quickly. but i get to the former president, theyl want to do this quickly. but again, i want to do this quickly. but again, i would _ want to do this quickly. but again, i would say— want to do this quickly. but again, i would say to— want to do this quickly. but again, i would say to the _ want to do this quickly. but again, i would say to the viewers - want to do this quickly. but again, i would say to the viewers aroundl i would say to the viewers around the world — i would say to the viewers around the world listening _ i would say to the viewers around the world listening to _ i would say to the viewers around the world listening to us, - i would say to the viewers around the world listening to us, boy, i the world listening to us, boy, you have _ the world listening to us, boy, you have a _ the world listening to us, boy, you have a pretty— the world listening to us, boy, you have a pretty high _ the world listening to us, boy, you have a pretty high bar— the world listening to us, boy, you have a pretty high bar to _ the world listening to us, boy, you have a pretty high bar to pass. i. have a pretty high bar to pass. i 'ust have a pretty high bar to pass. i just don't— have a pretty high bar to pass. i just don't know _ have a pretty high bar to pass. i just don't know based _ have a pretty high bar to pass. i just don't know based on i have a pretty high bar to pass. i just don't know based on what i've read unless— just don't know based on what i've read unless they _ just don't know based on what i've read unless they have _ just don't know based on what i've read unless they have evidence i haven't — read unless they have evidence i haven't seen _ read unless they have evidence i haven't seen they _ read unless they have evidence i haven't seen they can _ read unless they have evidence i haven't seen they can prove i read unless they have evidence i haven't seen they can prove this| haven't seen they can prove this beyond — haven't seen they can prove this beyond a — haven't seen they can prove this beyond a reasonable _ haven't seen they can prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. i haven't seen they can prove thisj beyond a reasonable doubt. and haven't seen they can prove this i beyond a reasonable doubt. and you know _ beyond a reasonable doubt. and you know i'm _ beyond a reasonable doubt. and you know i'm a _ beyond a reasonable doubt. and you know i'm a special— beyond a reasonable doubt. and you know i'm a special pleader, - beyond a reasonable doubt. and you know i'm a special pleader, for- know i'm a special pleader, for donald — know i'm a special pleader, for donald trump _ know i'm a special pleader, for donald trump. [— know i'm a special pleader, for donald trump.— donald trump. i do know that. amanda. _ donald trump. i do know that. amanda. jack— donald trump. i do know that. amanda, jack smith _ donald trump. i do know that. amanda, jack smith knows i donald trump. i do know that. i amanda, jack smith knows what this will be. donald trump's cases he had to speak out to ensure that the election was fair. jack smith says that's fair enough, and you can even lie about the election if you want to. what you can't do is conspire to defraud the electors from their vote, correct?— defraud the electors from their vote, correct? that's right, and i auree vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that _ vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there _ vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there is _ vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there is sorting - vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there is sorting out i vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there is sorting out to do that— agree that there is sorting out to do that he's going to have to do in this process. but man, do they have a lotto _ this process. but man, do they have a lotto work— this process. but man, do they have a lot to work with. the concreteness of this _ a lot to work with. the concreteness of this offers — a lot to work with. the concreteness of this offers a lot of different ways — of this offers a lot of different ways. seven case studies in states on what _ ways. seven case studies in states on what has — ways. seven case studies in states on what has happened, stringing that together~ _ on what has happened, stringing that together. there's a lot to work with here but— together. there's a lot to work with here but the challenge is going to be, how— here but the challenge is going to be, how do you semper fi it? —— simplify— be, how do you semper fi it? —— simplify it — be, how do you semper fi it? —— simplify it. and where it stays on a trajectory— simplify it. and where it stays on a trajectory that can get done and keeps _ trajectory that can get done and keeps the american public along in a very. _ keeps the american public along in a very. very— keeps the american public along in a very, very intense environment right now _ very, very intense environment right now. ., y ., very, very intense environment right now. ., . �*, very, very intense environment right now. ., . ., now. ron, you say that there's a lot here, but now. ron, you say that there's a lot here. but we're _ now. ron, you say that there's a lot here, but we're going _ now. ron, you say that there's a lot here, but we're going to _ now. ron, you say that there's a lot here, but we're going to go - here, but we're going to go through it at nine o'clock as well. but essentially, he sets out five chapters to this story. he says first of all, donald trump didn't know that he lost the election and he can prove that with some of the testimony that the committee put forward. second, he launched the strategy to impose his own slate of electors. he then weaponised the justice department. he then pressured vice president mike pence to do something that they knew was unconstitutional, and finally, he brought all that on january the 6th, which brings us to the violence. that is a very straightforward story isn't it to follow? i that is a very straightforward story isn't it to follow?— isn't it to follow? i think it is and i isn't it to follow? i think it is and i think— isn't it to follow? i think it is and i think the _ isn't it to follow? i think it is and i think the fourth - isn't it to follow? i think it is i and i think the fourth element is the one — and i think the fourth element is the one that _ and i think the fourth element is the one that you _ and i think the fourth element is the one that you should - and i think the fourth element is the one that you should key- and i think the fourth element is the one that you should key in i and i think the fourth element is. the one that you should key in on, because _ the one that you should key in on, because the — the one that you should key in on, because the former— the one that you should key in on, because the former vice _ the one that you should key in on, because the former vice president| because the former vice president issued _ because the former vice president issued a _ because the former vice president issued a statement _ because the former vice president issued a statement today- because the former vice president issued a statement today and i because the former vice presidentj issued a statement today and said that his _ issued a statement today and said that his featty— issued a statement today and said that his fealty was _ issued a statement today and said that his fealty was to _ issued a statement today and said that his fealty was to the - that his fealty was to the constitution _ that his fealty was to the constitution and - that his fealty was to the constitution and i- that his fealty was to the constitution and i shouldj that his fealty was to the i constitution and i should be that his fealty was to the - constitution and i should be about the constitution _ constitution and i should be about the constitution and _ constitution and i should be about the constitution and not _ constitution and i should be about the constitution and not any i constitution and i should be about the constitution and not any one l the constitution and not any one mart _ the constitution and not any one mart i_ the constitution and not any one mart i think_ the constitution and not any one man. i think what _ the constitution and not any one man. i think what the _ the constitution and not any one man. i think what the former - man. i think what the former president— man. i think what the former president did _ man. i think what the former president did was _ man. i think what the former - president did was reprehensible. he could _ president did was reprehensible. he could have _ president did was reprehensible. he could have stopped _ president did was reprehensible. he could have stopped this. _ president did was reprehensible. he could have stopped this. he - president did was reprehensible. he could have stopped this. he could . could have stopped this. he could have made — could have stopped this. he could have made it _ could have stopped this. he could have made it very— could have stopped this. he could have made it very clear _ could have stopped this. he could have made it very clear that - could have stopped this. he could have made it very clear that this i have made it very clear that this was not — have made it very clear that this was not a — have made it very clear that this was not a way— have made it very clear that this was not a way to _ have made it very clear that this was not a way to conduct - have made it very clear that this was not a way to conduct a - was not a way to conduct a democracy. _ was not a way to conduct a democracy. but— was not a way to conduct a democracy. but he - was not a way to conduct a democracy. but he elected was not a way to conduct a - democracy. but he elected not to do so until_ democracy. but he elected not to do so until after— democracy. but he elected not to do so until after all— democracy. but he elected not to do so until after all those _ democracy. but he elected not to do so until after all those elements - so until after all those elements were _ so until after all those elements were in— so until after all those elements were in place _ so until after all those elements were in place. meaning - so until after all those elements i were in place. meaning thousands so until after all those elements - were in place. meaning thousands of people _ were in place. meaning thousands of people streaming _ were in place. meaning thousands of people streaming the _ were in place. meaning thousands of people streaming the capitol. - were in place. meaning thousands of people streaming the capitol. but i i people streaming the capitol. but i know _ people streaming the capitol. but i know that — people streaming the capitol. but i know that to — people streaming the capitol. but i know that to my _ people streaming the capitol. but i know that to my original— people streaming the capitol. but i know that to my original statement —— | know that to my original statement -- i go _ know that to my original statement -- i go back, — know that to my original statement -- i go back, cah— know that to my original statement —— i go back, can you _ know that to my original statement —— i go back, can you prove - know that to my original statement —— i go back, can you prove beyond know that to my original statement i —— i go back, can you prove beyond a reasonable _ —— i go back, can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt _ —— i go back, can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt for— —— i go back, can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt for donald - —— i go back, 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that's- led to this incitement and this rioti at the capitol? i think that's going to he _ at the capitol? i think that's going to he a _ at the capitol? i think that's going to he a very— at the capitol? i think that's going to be a very heavy _ at the capitol? i think that's going to be a very heavy burden - at the capitol? i think that's going to be a very heavy burden for- at the capitol? i think that's going to be a very heavy burden for thei to be a very heavy burden for the prosecutor — to be a very heavy burden for the prosecutor-— prosecutor. what the committee didn't have. _ prosecutor. what the committee didn't have, nomoia, _ prosecutor. what the committee didn't have, nomoia, was - prosecutor. what the committee didn't have, nomoia, was vice i didn't have, nomoia, was vice president pence on the change or mark meadows. what we learned from this last night, which we didn't know before, vice president pence kept a contemporaneous note of what was happening inside the white house. you would imagine that when it does come to trial, those two are going to play a very key part. thea;r going to play a very key part. they are, but what's _ going to play a very key part. iie: are, but what's fascinating going to play a very key part. iier are, but what's fascinating is mike pence obviously released a statement last night. he was still very careful about the way he spoke about it. he said that donald trump asked him to do something against his constitutional duty, which is correct, and he pivoted tojoe biden and said we should be focusing on joe biden and the mess he's making of the economy and so forth. today, he's more or less repeated that. mike pence is trying to vie for the presidential nomination for the republican party, and he's way behind. donald trump is the clear favourite. but this is some of the criticism that you're seeing of the republican party by the democrats, which is that they aren't condemning donald trump for this, that this indictment — unlike the other two, you could argue — is more than albatross. we saw the in the midterms. republicans did not do as well as expected. they won the house by small majority, but they didn't get the senate. part of that was blamed on donald trump using this, pushing this claim of election fraud, fielding election deniers who didn't win their races. that put out the electors. while donald trump may be popular with his base and with republican voters, i think the big question that's coming — is this a reckoning for the american election? will they look at all of this? this indictment from georgia and all the criminal cases that are piling up against donald trump which i played out, will they look at all of this and decide they want to return this man to power? i think that's the question we are going to constantly ask in the run—up. flan question we are going to constantly ask in the run-up.— ask in the run-up. can we 'ust sort oftake ask in the run-up. can we 'ust sort of take a step t ask in the run-up. can we 'ust sort of take a step back? _ ask in the run-up. can we 'ust sort of take a step back? i _ ask in the run-up. can we 'ust sort of take a step back? ijusth ask in the run-up. can we just sort of take a step back? ijust want . ask in the run-up. can we just sort of take a step back? ijust want to| of take a step back? i just want to look at the co—conspirators, because we mentioned them and we don't fully know their identity, but we can put some sort of quote to the quotes that we are ready know some of these people have given in the course of their testimony. our reporter azadeh moshiri has been looking at the document and taking us through some of the key lines. we're talking about a its—page indictment, so let's look at the key takeaways. and remember, donald trump denies any wrongdoing throughout. now, prosecutors aren'tjust looking at one event. they're not just looking at the attack on the us capitol, for example. they're looking at donald trump's words and actions in a two—month period, since shortly after the election day in 2020 to the day he left office in 2021. now, the thrust of the indictment is prosecutors are accusing donald trump of a broad conspiracy to keep him in power even after he was defeated byjoe biden. now, they say he did this by spreading "pervasive and destabilising lies" and that he repeated those claims to "create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger". the reason all this language is important because what they are trying to prove and what is key to their case is intent. and to prove intent, they need to prove that donald trump knew what he was saying was not true. now, let's look at the legaljargon itself. the first charge is conspiracy to defraud the united states. now, that has to do with the way the government collects, counts and certifies votes, and they're saying donald trump allegedly tried to interfere with that. next, these two charges are related — conspiracy to obstruct and official proceeding, obstruction of an obstruction of an official proceeding. now, both of these relate to the electoral college votes being counted onjanuary 6th and the voting certification process that they say donald trump allegedly tried to obstruct. and finally, conspiracy against rights of citizens. that's about the right us citizens have to vote and have their votes counted, and they're accusing donald trump of allegedly trying to interfere with those rights. now, another interesting takeaway in the indictment comes to co—conspirators. they say there are six. now, they're not naming them nor are they charging them, but based on publicly available information, the bbc has been able to piece together who some of them are. the first is rudy giuliani, a well—known member of donald trump's legal team. now, he has said that this indictment is "an abomination", and his own lawyer has said it does appear he is co—conspirator one in the indictment. the bbc has also identified john eastman, a constitutional lawyer who was part of donald trump's team. and according to us media, they're speculating that the others could include sidney powell, who is a conservative lawyer who was part of his legal team, jeffrey clark, a former department ofjustice lawyer, as well as kenneth chesebro, a lawyer. now, the sixth one has not been identified yet. now, legal experts are saying a key defence for donald trump could be the first amendment right to free speech. as far as donald trump is concerned, right now, he's calling the indictment part of "an un—american witch—hunt against him". maggie hayman of the new york times said an e—mailtrump maggie hayman of the new york times said an e—mail trump adviser forest at scene said to rudy giuliani... it looks like he might be co—conspirator number six. apparently they were on a conference call in december after a statement was demanded on the electors. some other news from maggie heyman, amanda, that shortly after he was indicted, donald trump had a private dinner with the top leadership at fox news, who are lobbying him to take part in the first leadership debate in a month. what you make of that? it's a it'sa campaign it's a campaign that he's clearly going _ it's a campaign that he's clearly going to — it's a campaign that he's clearly going to use any fashion he can. one of the things i want to mention here is— one of the things i want to mention here is as _ one of the things i want to mention here is as we think about that cycle, — here is as we think about that cycle, it's— here is as we think about that cycle, it's not going to be the american _ cycle, it's not going to be the american people who decide what does or doesn't— american people who decide what does or doesn't happen with trump or how they view— or doesn't happen with trump or how they view this. its primary voters who we _ they view this. its primary voters who we have seen time and time again use these _ who we have seen time and time again use these opportunities to feel connected and support donald trump. that's_ connected and support donald trump. that's what's really interesting here, — that's what's really interesting here, is— that's what's really interesting here, is when we think about what are the _ here, is when we think about what are the next— here, is when we think about what are the next stages, trump has been very clear— are the next stages, trump has been very clear and consistent that he uses _ very clear and consistent that he uses this— very clear and consistent that he uses this as a campaign, energy exercise — uses this as a campaign, energy exercise to _ uses this as a campaign, energy exercise to move his supporters closer— exercise to move his supporters closer to — exercise to move his supporters closer to him and fight for him and moments — closer to him and fight for him and moments exactly like this.- closer to him and fight for him and moments exactly like this. there is a theo , moments exactly like 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states said they want to _ independent going to do. so many key states said they want to get _ independent going to do. so many key states said they want to get a - states said they want to get a different— states said they want to get a different president. _ states said they want to get a different president. i- states said they want to get a different president. ijust - states said they want to get a i different president. ijust think he's _ different president. ijust think he's lost — different president. ijust think he's lost the _ different president. ijust think he's lost the independent. - he's lost the independent. interesting~ _ he's lost the independent. interesting. sorry- he's lost the independent. interesting. sorry to - he's lost the independent. interesting. sorry to push i he's lost the independent. - interesting. sorry to push you, we are just out of time. thank you both very much. we are going to have a special at nine o'clock. we'll have some other news right after break. hello there. this is not the sort of weather we'd get this time of the year usually, and we have to wait until later, next week for any significant improvements. until later, next week for any now, today, earlier on, we had gusts of 60mph on the isle of wight — the winds are not as strong now, along the south coast of england. and there was some sunshine around as well here and there in between the downpours. and this was the radar from earlier on — we had some thundery downpours developing across some southern parts of the uk, and that more persistent rain across northern parts of england keeping it particularly chilly here. and it's all been due to yet another area of low pressure that steered right over the uk — and that was storm patricia, named by the french met service, with greater impacts across that part of europe. but things are going to calm down as we head into the night because the strong, gusty winds will continue to ease, the more persistent rain and thunderstorms move away, it does turn drier — some clearer spells developing later on in places, as well, and temperatures by dawn around about 11—13 celsius. storm patricia, that area of low pressure will be heading into southern scandinavia, taking the wet and windy weather with it. and then, as we head into thursday, the wind direction changes. we get a cooler north—to—northwesterly breeze, but it may well be a dry day for many places. there'll be some sunshine, particularly early on. cloud will build up, though, almost anywhere could see a shower, and some of them will be heavy and thundery — especially, i think, across southeast scotland and northern parts of england. but if you get a bit of shelter from that northerly wind, places like glasgow could see temperatures up to 20 celsius. it should be warmer in the southeast, as well, with fewer showers around here. but that's not really the story on friday — again, most of the showers down the eastern side of england, thundery downpours developing in the southeast and east anglia this time. probably not quite as windy on friday, and many western areas will have a dry day with some sunshine. but again, it's not that warm — 18 celsius in belfast, 19 in cardiff at best here. still cooler air over the next few days, because the jet stream is to the south of the uk, and then, it'll come right over the uk — and that means we could see another area of low pressure heading our way by the time we get into saturday. another weekend, another area of low pressure, more wet and windy weather, a bit like today. the worst of it across england and wales. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. a gunman who killed 11 people at a synagogue in pittsburgh in 2018 is sentenced to the death penalty. sport and for a full round up, from the bbc sport centre. we're going to start in australia and new zealand at the women's world cup where it's been a day to remember forjamaica and south africa — who have both upset the odds to reach the knockout stages. having had to crowdfund just to get to the tournament jamaica were able to hold brazil to a goalless draw in theirfinal group game in melbourne to book their place in the last 16 for the first time. that means brazil and their 6 time world player of the year marta are heading home. and if you wanted to know how much it meant to jamaica — have a listen to their captain post match. we fought for each other, now i believe that we believe in ourselves! cheering france top that group after beating panama but they had to come from behind. marta cox scoring panama's first ever goal at the tournament and what a goal it was. an absolute piledriver, they ended up scoring three in total but france plundering six, including a hat—trick for kadi diani. in group g, south africa are through after claiming their first women's world cup win with a thrilling victory over italy.

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