a squeeze on some festivities. hello and welcome to the programme. efforts to evacuate the devastated port of mariupol and its massive azovstal steel plant have been delayed. ukrainian officials said russian forces were blocking humanitarian corridors near the plant where people have been sheltering, and shelling had resumed after a ceasefire over the weekend. hundreds are still trapped in the steelworks. elsewhere in the city, civilians have spent hours waiting for evacuation buses that were originally due early in the morning. meanwhile, the un refugee agency says more than 5.5 million people have now fled ukraine. let's go live now to ben brown in kyiv for the very latest from ukraine. hello. welcome to the ukrainian capital. the latest attempts to evacuate civilians from the devastated ukrainian port city of mariupol — and its massive azovstal industrial site have run into difficulties. the defence ministry in kyiv said, russian forces were blocking humanitarian corridors near the steel plant — the last part of mariupol under ukrainian control. elsewhere in the city, a group of civilians have spent hours waiting for evacuation buses — that were originally due early in the morning. a two—day ceasefire over the weekend, had allowed around 100 people to escape, the steelworks. some hadn't seen daylight for two months. they're expected to arrive in zaporizhzhia later. our first report is from our correspondentjoe inwood. after weeks of living in the most appalling conditions, they emerged into the light. freed by negotiations that took place in the dark. there was secrecy around talks brokered by the united nations, but the sight of a small number of civilians walking through the wasteland that used to be one of the world's large steelworks, was something that many people thought impossible. a ceasefire held and 100 people taken to relative a ceasefire held and 100 people ta ken to relative safety. translation: i cannot believe it. two months of darkness. in the bus i told my husband, we will not need to go and we will not you need to use a bag as a loo. ukrainians, our defenders, today we finally managed to start the evacuation. after many weeks of negotiations, after many attempts, different people, meetings, calls, countries, finally there was not a day when we did not try and save our people. after leaving the plant civilians were loaded onto buses and taken to a village in the direction of russia. but accompanied by un and red cross staff, it seems they have now been allowed to go back towards ukraine. they will be coming here, reception centre in the of zaporizhzhia. initially just one private car arrived, greeted by the world's media. everyone caught in the siege of mariupol has suffered terribly. translation: the scariest part is when they are shelling. when you see a shell exploding and people dying. it is reported that as soon as the evacuation had finished, russian forces resumed their shelling of azovstal. indeed, there has been no letup in the fighting, both on the ground and in the skies. the kremlin released these shots showing an iskander missile launch, they claim this is a command post, while the ukrainian military says this shows the destruction of two russian patrol boats by one of their bayraktar drones. despite success over the talks over evacuations, few people think diplomacy will bring an end to this conflict any time soon. joe inwood reporting. let's put into context the number of people who have been successfully evacuated from azovstal, because that was just 100. we think there could be up to 100,000 civilians who have been inside that steelworks underground. 2000 ukrainian fighters are there and several hundred ukrainian fighters who are injured, some of them very seriously injured, who have not been able to get much medical attention while they have been trapped underground. some of them apparently suffering from gangrene. so only 100 have been evacuated so far. the first buses carrying evacuees from the azovstal industrial site have reached a safe distance away from the fighting in the city. they went to russian —controlled territory before going on to zaporizhzhia. some of them have been explaining what life was like underground in those bunkers of azovstal during the conflict. the soldiers came _ azovstal during the conflict. tie: soldiers came and azovstal during the conflict. tue: soldiers came and escorted the azovstal during the conflict. tue soldiers came and escorted the first 11 people out, those who were seriously ill, had asthma or needed insulin, and also three of us randomly. more than a0 people including little children are left there. fora month including little children are left there. for a month we were eating, over a0 of us, six food tins, we boiled two buckets of soup out of them and that was it for the whole day. we were assured there was a bomb shelter there come a well constructed one, we thought it was only for two or three days and we have been there since the 2ath of february. have been there since the 24th of februa . �* ,, �* have been there since the 24th of february._ there i have been there since the 24th ofj february._ there is have been there since the 24th of. february._ there is no february. translation: there is no house any more. _ february. translation: there is no house any more, of— february. translation: there is no house any more, of course _ february. translation: there is no house any more, of course there - house any more, of course there isn't, _ house any more, of course there isn't, it_ house any more, of course there isn't, it cannot be intact as they were _ isn't, it cannot be intact as they were bombings every day, all the time _ were bombings every day, all the time we — were bombings every day, all the time we spent in the bunker they were _ time we spent in the bunker they were bombing. time we spent in the bunker they were bombing-— time we spent in the bunker they were bombing. let's talk about why those people, though _ were bombing. let's talk about why those people, though civilians - were bombing. let's talk about why those people, though civilians wentj those people, though civilians went to the azovstal steelworks in the first place. i've been speaking to enver tskitishvili, director general of the azovstal steel works. he has been telling me that this steelworks is a vast, sprawling industrial complex in the city of mariupol. it dates back to 1930, and in the soviet era they built more than 30 bunkers underneath that steelworks. some of them in the 19705 steelworks. some of them in the 1970s were built to withstand a nuclear strike. there is also a whole network of underground tunnels reaching some eight metres underneath the ground. so that is why both the ukrainian fighters and many civilians took refuge there, as the director general of the company has been telling me. translation: we never thought about it until 2014. _ we didn't imagine that azovstal could become some kind of fortress, or such an important point in the city of mariupol. when mariupol, especially the eastern part of the city, came under shelling by artillery, heavy artillery, we started to think about what we could do if the escalation came further into the city. and we started to restore bomb shelters which remained from the soviet union. there were five very powerful bomb shelters that according to soviet standards at the time, could withstand a direct nuclear strike. when the war started, we made an announcement in the city that all people, if they were injured during the bombing and shelling, could come to us. we thought it was possible we would be shelled, but we did not expect such a genocide and such an inhumane war. azovstal is surrounded by water on three sides, a river on one and a sea on two. so from a military point of view it is a very strong and well fortified point. let's cross over to zaporizhia to speak to sergei 0rlov. he is the deputy mayor of mariupol. i'm pleased to say we can speak to him now. sergei 0rlov, thank you for your time. him now. sergei 0rlov, thank you for yourtime. first him now. sergei 0rlov, thank you for your time. first of all, can i ask, those first people who were evacuated from the steelworks, those 100 people, when you expect them in the city of zaporizhzhia?— the city of zaporizhzhia? hello. it is a difficult _ the city of zaporizhzhia? hello. it is a difficult question. _ the city of zaporizhzhia? hello. it is a difficult question. at - the city of zaporizhzhia? hello. it is a difficult question. at the - is a difficult question. at the moment we understand that they are just in the process, and we know that they didn't even reach another area at the moment, so we didn't think in general it would be possible for them to reach zaporizhzhia today. so there is not a lot of information about their direct place but we understand in our estimation that it is not today. can i ask about the other people trapped in the azovstal steelworks? do you think you are going to be able to evacuate them as well? you have about 100 out so far but there are many hundreds more. we have about 100 out so far but there are many hundreds more.— are many hundreds more. we all dream, are many hundreds more. we all dream. we _ are many hundreds more. we all dream. we all— are many hundreds more. we all dream, we all pray _ are many hundreds more. we all dream, we all pray to _ are many hundreds more. we all dream, we all pray to continue i are many hundreds more. we all. dream, we all pray to continue this evacuation procedure. as we talk there are hundreds of civilians looking for a safe place in the bomb shelter in azovstal, and among them a lot of children and they are always waiting to continue the evacuation. i think we need to finish this procedure and to start the next negotiation, even before, and it should be absolutely the next evacuation to save our civil citizens. evacuation to save our civil citizene— evacuation to save our civil citizens. �* , ., ., citizens. but why has the evacuation sto ed for citizens. but why has the evacuation stepped for now? — citizens. but why has the evacuation stopped for now? we _ citizens. but why has the evacuation stopped for now? we had _ citizens. but why has the evacuation stopped for now? we had those - citizens. but why has the evacuation stopped for now? we had those 100 people who came out, but then since then there has been no more. is that because the russians have stopped the evacuation procedure by the process? what has happened? what has gone wrong? process? what has happened? what has one wron: ? ., ., , process? what has happened? what has one wronu? ., ., , ., gone wrong? unfortunately i cannot comment a lot _ gone wrong? unfortunately i cannot comment a lot because _ gone wrong? unfortunately i cannot comment a lot because negotiationl comment a lot because negotiation comes at a high level with the ukrainian government, with the russian government and a lot of international organisations. as i understand it was two evacuation waves. 0ne understand it was two evacuation waves. one of them, 25 people and the next one 21 and the next 180 people, so 101 of our civil citizens had the ability to leave azovstal with the help of ukrainian soldiers, and all of them are in the process of movement to zaporizhzhia. —— and the next one, 80 people. they have passed through filtration and now they are on the road and we are ready to evacuate at least 2000 citizens. we have enough buses and enough emergency cars, but it was possible only to evacuate this number of citizens at the moment. how many civilians do you think are still trapped in the azovstal steel plant? t still trapped in the azovstal steel lant? ~' ., still trapped in the azovstal steel lant? ~ ., ., still trapped in the azovstal steel lant? ~' ., ., , . plant? i know that hundreds. we should understand _ plant? i know that hundreds. we should understand that - plant? i know that hundreds. we should understand that it - plant? i know that hundreds. we should understand that it is - plant? i know that hundreds. we should understand that it is not i should understand that it is not simple and continuous air strike, shelling and artillery, missiles from warships. it is not even simple to announce this evacuation throughout the places where our civil citizens are found in their safe spaces in bomb shelters. i know that hundreds, maybe from 500—700, and among them at least several dozen children.— and among them at least several dozen children. there was a two day ceasefire in — dozen children. there was a two day ceasefire in which _ dozen children. there was a two day ceasefire in which you _ dozen children. there was a two day ceasefire in which you evacuated - dozen children. there was a two day| ceasefire in which you evacuated the people you have talked about, the 100 or so people. have the russians broken their ceasefire by bombarding the steelworks? in other words, have the steelworks? in other words, have the attacks resumed on azovstal? unfortunately there is no full ceasefire and their bombardment and shelling continues during the night, so it was not successful to have a ceasefire, unfortunately.- so it was not successful to have a ceasefire, unfortunately. what about in the rest of — ceasefire, unfortunately. what about in the rest of mariupol? _ ceasefire, unfortunately. what about in the rest of mariupol? how- ceasefire, unfortunately. what about in the rest of mariupol? how many . in the rest of mariupol? how many civilians are in the rest of the city you need to get out as well? in city you need to get out as well? t�*u our estimation we have at least 130,000 mariupol citizens who are living like hostages. all these people are like hostages. russia totally blocked the city. they put a lot of checkpoints internally in the city. they pushed people to go to filtration and they do not allow evacuation to ukrainian held territory, theyjust do deportation to temporarily controlled donetsk republic and all over russian, they deported a0,000 of our citizens and we have found them all over russia, evenin we have found them all over russia, even in the far east. so with genocide they are just destroying ukraine as a nation.— genocide they are just destroying ukraine as a nation. thank you for brinuain ukraine as a nation. thank you for bringing us _ ukraine as a nation. thank you for bringing us un _ ukraine as a nation. thank you for bringing us up to _ ukraine as a nation. thank you for bringing us up to date _ ukraine as a nation. thank you for bringing us up to date with - ukraine as a nation. thank you for bringing us up to date with all- ukraine as a nation. thank you for bringing us up to date with all of. bringing us up to date with all of those details. a pretty grim picture of there. hundreds of people still trapped in azovstal and as the deputy mayor of mariupol sergei 0rlov was just telling us, may be 130,000 people still in the city who want to get out. thank you, deputy mayor, for talking to us on bbc news. that's the latest from kyiv. back to you in the studio in london. ben brown, thank you very much, ben brown in kyiv. we will be back with you later. it isjust brown in kyiv. we will be back with you later. it is just coming brown in kyiv. we will be back with you later. it isjust coming up to a:15pm. the headlines on bbc news: heavy shelling in southern ukraine prevents another evacuation of people trapped in the azovstal steel plant in mariupol. 100 women and children were allowed to leave the steelworks yesterday. the ministry of defence says more than 250 migrants were picked up in the channel yesterday, following 11 days without any crossings. more than 100 people arrived today. eid celebrations begin today, following a difficult ramadan period — as the rising cost of living puts a squeeze on some festivities. sport and for a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre, here's gavin. hello, nice to see you. the final of the world snooker championship is heading to a dramatic conclusion tonight withjudd trump on the comeback charge against ronnie 0'sullivan. trump started the day seven frames behind with some even wondering if this final would last into the evening session. but the 2019 champion has won six of the eight frames this afternoon and now trails by only three, helped by this remarkable fluked red in the last frame before the break. play resumes at seven with 0'sullivan leading 1a—11 — he's chasing a seventh world title which would take him level with stephen hendry as the most successful player at this tournament. can't wait for that. a shock at the vitality london 10,000m earlier. four—time olympic champion — mo farah — was beaten by a club runner. farah said he'll make decisions about his future on a "race by race" basis. it was his first competition since failing to qualify for the olympics last year. 25 year old ellis cross had to pay the entry fee of £37 to take part in the race. but set a personal best as he beat the course record holder to win. farah, a seven—time winner of the event, said before the race if he didn't feel he could compete at the highest level anymore, then it'd be time to stop and retire from the sport. ellis did really well to beat me and to win here, but at the same time, you have got to see where you are and, at the minute, i don't even know, this is it, that's where i am now. is it for you now where you are in your career taking it race by race? for sure you have got to take it race by race and let the body see what it can do. as you said, i ain't young any more, am i? i have beaten somebody who's like an idol. - he is known well aroundl the world for his abilities of running and i have _ beaten him over his prime distance. it is one of those, - everyone is cheering mo on because they know who he is. nobody knows who i am, | i've just got a number on, the crowds are cheering, so yes, i did not quite follow- the script today, but to pull it off and win it, delighted, yes. congratulations to him. winner of the women's race eilish mccolgan missed out on breaking paula radcliffe's 19—year—old british record by just two seconds, but she did beat her mum liz's scottish record. danny sidbury and sam kinghorn won the wheelchair races. i saw the clock and i was like, i'm not going to make it! so i'm happy with today, i finished really strongly, it has given me a lot of confidence. as i said, i think came i into it not sure. as i said, i think i came into it not sure. it has been a pretty challenging couple of months coming back from covid and then we had a tough weather in our last training camp so it was difficult to know where the fitness was at but i've been working so hard and i feel like it is coming back now and coming back at the right time. manchester city goalkeeper karen bardsley has announced she's retiring from the game, after an illustrious 20—year career for both club and country. the 37—year—old won eight major trophies during her time with city — and played 81 times for england. she also represented great britain at the 2012 olympics. bardsley will be honoured at wednesday's women's super league home game against birmingham city. she's revealed that failing to fully recoverfrom a hamstring injury picked up during the 2019 world cup has forced her to quit the game. andy murray says he's "not supportive" of players from russia and belarus being banned from wimbledon. 0rganisers ruled last week that players from the two countries can't play at this year's grand slam due to russia's invasion of ukraine. murray said there's no "right answer" on the issue and says he "feels really bad for the players who aren't allowed to play." murray isn't alone in criticising the decision, with world number one novak djokovic calling the ban "crazy". while russian world number eight andrey rublev said it was "complete discrimination" and "illogical". that's all the sport for now. we will keep you up—to—date with the snooker later on. look forward to it, gavin. thank you, and we will see you later. more than 350 migrants have crossed the english channel in small boats in the past two days, following 11 days without any crossings. let's get the latest from dover and our correspondent simonjones. what do we make of the timing of these arrivals? a level of 11 days and then a sudden increase in arrivals. t and then a sudden increase in arrivals. ~ , , and then a sudden increase in arrivals. ~' , , ., , arrivals. i think the simple answer is it is down _ arrivals. i think the simple answer is it is down to _ arrivals. i think the simple answer is it is down to the _ arrivals. i think the simple answer is it is down to the weather. - arrivals. i think the simple answer is it is down to the weather. we . is it is down to the weather. we have seen a steady stream of people making the journey today. this is the area in dover where people are brought when they're picked up in the channel. a second day of calm weather has meant a second day of crossings in large numbers. we are seeing women and children being brought to shore, but the vast majority of people we have seen have been young men. we have not yet had any figures for today confirmed by the ministry of defence, but i think they are likely to be similar, or perhaps even higher than yesterday's, when we saw 25a people arrive on seven boats. that's more than 35 people per boat on average. it gives you a sense of the scale of theissue it gives you a sense of the scale of the issue we are talking about here. but as you say, before yesterday we hadn't seen any crossings for a period of 11 days, which is quite unusual in the channel at the moment. but some people had been suggesting this was perhaps down to the rwanda deterrent. the government's plan to send some asylum seekers some a000 miles from kent to rwanda could possibly be putting some people off from making the journey. putting some people off from making thejourney. but i putting some people off from making the journey. but i think it is largely in truth down to the weather, comp today and lots of crossings, calm yesterday and lots of crossings, not calm over the previous 11 days and no crossings. simonjones, for the moment, thank you very much. joinin me now is steve valdez—symonds, refugee and migrants rights director at amnesty uk. thank you forjoining us. we heard from our correspondent in dover that the weather is playing a huge role but also potentially that rwanda deterrent. it is early days in the government's plans to send asylum seekers to rwanda. what do you make the proposal first of all, and seekers to rwanda. what do you make the proposalfirst of all, and is it having any effect yet? in the proposal first of all, and is it having any effect yet?— the proposal first of all, and is it having any effect yet? in terms of whether it is _ having any effect yet? in terms of whether it is having _ having any effect yet? in terms of whether it is having any _ having any effect yet? in terms of whether it is having any impact, l having any effect yet? in terms of whether it is having any impact, i | whether it is having any impact, i think it is far early to say what the impact may be. in terms of crossings, i do think it is far more likely that the immediate impact on crossings is to do with the weather, and i would expect there will be larger numbers of people trying to cross, given a number of days in which nobody has managed to cross. as for the deal itself, i think it is an extraordinarily reckless, foolish, and indeed undermining decision of the government. undermining of the whole international system on protecting refugees. it is essentially this country trying to wash its hands of responsibility is rather than addressing the needs of refugees. that ultimately isn't going to help crack down on smugglers, it isn't going to address the disproportionate situation of refugee needs elsewhere in the world compared to here, or even as compared to here, or even as compared to here with us and france. the government says its policy is about cracking down on single men who are making the crossing. they say a vast majority of those are not seeking asylum through the proper channels, and therefore this policy would address that, and they also say it's about cracking down on people smugglers. but you are saying this policy doesn't address that in any shape orform? it this policy doesn't address that in any shape or form?— any shape or form? it doesn't address anything _ any shape or form? it doesn't address anything that - any shape or form? it doesn't address anything that you - any shape or form? it doesn't. address anything that you have any shape or form? it doesn't - address anything that you have said. the central point here is that it can't address the idea of people using so—called legal roots, as the government puts it, because there aren't any other routes but this. the government doesn't make visas available for anyone to come here to seek asylum. it says through its system that you must get here first to do that, however. so this is what is left to people and these are the journeys, therefore, that a few of them make. now, if it doesn't do anything about that then i'm afraid we will see significant numbers of people, not especially large, but significant numbers of people continuing to be exploited by smugglers on these routes because no one is doing anything to address the needs of those people. some of whom even have family here, and indeed other connections here. it makes no sense whatsoever. find other connections here. it makes no sense whatsoever.— sense whatsoever. and briefly if you would, steve, what is the better solution to this if there is one? two things that desperately need to be done. 0ne, abiding by our international responsibilities, and when someone arrives here claiming asylum, dealing with their claim responsibly, fairly and as efficiently as possible, and if we are serious about trying to drive down the exploitation of smugglers, opening up safe routes so that those who can access them can make safe journeys, managed journeys, who can access them can make safe journeys, managedjourneys, rather journeys, managed journeys, rather than journeys, managedjourneys, rather than keeping on turning to smugglers because that's the only choice we have left them.— because that's the only choice we have left them. steve, it is good to have left them. steve, it is good to have our have left them. steve, it is good to have your thoughts, _ have left them. steve, it is good to have your thoughts, thank - have left them. steve, it is good to have your thoughts, thank you - have left them. steve, it is good to have your thoughts, thank you for i have your thoughts, thank you for being with us. steve valdez—symonds, refugee and migrants rights director at amnesty uk. thank you. the european union has accused apple of abusing its dominant market position in mobile payments by limiting access to key technology for rivals to its apple pay system. the move could result in a hefty fine for the tech giant and force it to open its mobile payment system to competitors. apple says the system is only one of many options. the bloc�*s commissioner for competition, margrethe vestager, said if the findings on apple's conduct were confirmed it would be illegal under competition rules. the preliminary conclusion that we reached today relates to mobile payments in shops. by excluding others from the game apple has unfairly shielded its apple pay wallets from competition. if proven, this behaviour would amount to abuse of a dominant position which is illegal under our rules. that is the eu's competition commissioner. our business reporter, jonathanjosephs joins us now. good to see you. what have apple said about all this?— said about all this? apple are sa in: said about all this? apple are saying this — said about all this? apple are saying this is _ said about all this? apple are saying this is all _ said about all this? apple are saying this is all about - said about all this? apple are l saying this is all about security. what the eu are saying is that, as you heard, this is about unfair competition. this is about the contactless payments we are increasingly making using devices, as in this case, such as apple iphones and watches, whether it is to buy a coffee or a bigger supermarket shops, something like that, and the eu is saying that apple is using its dominant position not to allow access to the hardware and software on an iphone that would allow third parties, perhaps google play, to be installed on an iphone and give consumers a choice like that. by not doing that, apple says it is a more secure system and there isn't any fraud on apple pay like there is on some of the rival systems. but apple also benefits by having this control because it gets a fee for every payment that is processed from the bank that the money is coming from, so this is a lucrative revenue stream for apple and in a world where it is increasingly trying to make its money through selling services through subscriptions or making us use apple pay in this instance, that's really important for apple when it is trying to lessen its dependence on selling us hardware such as iphones and macbooks, so it's about the future of apple's profitability. it's about the future of apple's profitability-— profitability. there could be a hefty fine. — profitability. there could be a hefty fine. they _ profitability. there could be a hefty fine, they could - profitability. there could be a hefty fine, they could be - profitability. there could be a - hefty fine, they could be changes to the way this works, but i wonder what the timetable is and how likely we are to see any changes. the timetable _ we are to see any changes. the timetable is — we are to see any changes. tue timetable is unclear. the sort of cases with the european commission typically take many months, or sometimes even years to come to a conclusion. apple says that this is a question of principle, that security is so important for its users and its customer experience that it doesn't really want to ground on this, which leads to the question, where will the compromise line? it could be a big fine like you say, and it could be changes that come in. if it does have to change the way the apple pay system works, although the uk is not any longer part of the european union, so it isn't directly affected, they could still be changes in the uk because the european market is treated as one and the uk is not seen necessarily as a sufficiently large market by itself to sustain its own system, so any changes that happen as a result of a settlement with the european commission could affect users in the uk too. yes. affect users in the uk too. yes, that's one _ affect users in the uk too. yes, that's one to — affect users in the uk too. yes, that's one to watch. _ affect users in the uk too. yes, that's one to watch. thank - affect users in the uk too. yes, that's one to watch. thank you, jonathanjosephs, our business reporter. as muslims begin eid celebrations today — usually a time for big feasts and gifts — the rising cost of living has put a squeeze on some festivities. it comes as the charity, islamic relief, says the organisations it works with in the uk have experienced their busiest ramadan ever. well, i'm joined now by shazia arshad from islamic relief. thank you forjoining us. we said it has been one of your busiest periods. give us a sense of what you have been doing and quite how busy it has been. we have been working with charity partners around the country and every food bank and charity partner we are working with is reporting an increase in the number of people who are is reporting an increase in the number of people who are coming and reauuirin number of people who are coming and requiring support _ number of people who are coming and requiring support from _ number of people who are coming and requiring support from food _ number of people who are coming and requiring support from food banks. . requiring support from food banks. in some cases it is up to four times busier than it was at the height of the lockdown and during the covid pandemic. find the lockdown and during the covid andemic. . ., , ., the lockdown and during the covid andemic. ., , ., ., ., pandemic. and of course on one hand ou have pandemic. and of course on one hand you have more _ pandemic. and of course on one hand you have more people _ pandemic. and of course on one hand you have more people using - pandemic. and of course on one hand you have more people using those . you have more people using those services, and at the same time many food banks and many organisations like yours are seeing a reduction in donations, so the two together means it is very difficult to do what you do. really is a squeeze. a lot of the food banks really is a squeeze. a lot of the food banks have really is a squeeze. a lot of the food banks have reported really is a squeeze. a lot of the food banks have reported a really is a squeeze. a lot of the food banks have reported a drop really is a squeeze. a lot of the food banks have reported a drop in donations. there is pressure on the food banks to meet increased with much less support.— food banks to meet increased with much less support. what are people tellin: ou much less support. what are people telling you when _ much less support. what are people telling you when they _ much less support. what are people telling you when they come - much less support. what are people telling you when they come to - much less support. what are people telling you when they come to you l telling you when they come to you for support? telling you when they come to you forsupport? how telling you when they come to you for support? how difficult are they finding it right now? one supposes, given everything we are told, the problem could get worse

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