more than seven million brits are planning a domestic holiday this year and bookings for camping and caravan sites are up by 33%. i will be speaking to some very happy campers in surrey. what a night for the british clubs in europe as both rangers and west ham reach the semi finals of the europa league and could meet in the final. and the weather is largely fine and dry as we head through the easter weekend. always a bit more cloud towards the west but we could see temperatures for some others of 20 degrees or more. a chance of a splash of rain on sunday, but i will bring you all the details throughout the programme. it's friday 15th april. our top story. explosions have been heard overnight in ukrainian cities, including the capital kyiv, just hours after russia's flagship warship was sunk in the black sea. ukraine claims it struck the ship with missiles but russia continues to insist the sinking was caused by an accidental explosion coupled with rough seas. with all the latest details, here's tim allman. the scourge of the black sea now buried at the bottom of it. but how the moskva got there is still disputed. ukraine says it hit the ship with cruise missiles launched from the coast. russia would only admit there had been an explosion on board and it then sank in bad weather. if the ukrainians were responsible it would be the biggest warship to be sunk by enemy action since the second world war. this is a tremendous victory for ukraine, even if they didn't directly contribute to the sinking. and it's an enormous defeat for russia because it indicates that the russian armed forces simply aren't up to snuff in terms of modern military capabilities. perhaps not, but it does beg the question how will russia react? these were air raid sirens heard overnight in the western city of lviv for the first time in several days. and there were reports of powerful explosions in the capital kyiv. in his latest video message, president zelensky made reference to the fate of the moskva. he praised the ukrainian people, those who stopped the advance of endless columns of russian equipment, those who proved that russian planes were defenceless, and those who proved that russian ships can only go to the bottom of the sea. but in the east of the country, invading troops continue their operations. the ukrainian government fears their main goal now is to destroy the donbas region. russia may have sustained a heavy defeat, but it is still very much in this war. tim allman, bbc news. let's get more on this from our correspondent danjohnson, who's in the western city of lviv. what more do you know about these explosions in kyiv? yes. what more do you know about these explosions in kyiv?— explosions in kyiv? yes, we know there were _ explosions in kyiv? yes, we know there were a _ explosions in kyiv? yes, we know there were a handful— explosions in kyiv? yes, we know there were a handful of— explosions in kyiv? yes, we know there were a handful of explosion i explosions in kyiv? yes, we know l there were a handful of explosion is reported to the south—west of the capital city last night. it has not been confirmed exactly where they came from, what was hit and what level of damage has been sustained, if any. but that wasn't the only place that was going to air raid alerts last night, not the only place that may have been hit. there were explosions reported in kherson, and there were air raid warnings across ukraine, two in lviv in the west after a couple of days that have been relatively calm and quiet. it shows how the conflict is continuing, how it is still affecting people who are a long way from the fighting and how people are perhaps on edge and there has been a renewed fear, russia having to admit that flagship of its black sea fleet has now sunk to the bottom of the black sea might prompt further attacks, perhaps in retaliation. whether or not the russians will admit it was a ukrainian missile that sunk the ship, the fact it is out of action and gone to the bottom of the sea means russia's military firepower is slightly reduced for the immediate future until they can replace that ship with another. it means ukrainian aircraft are more safe flying along the coast and it is a major propaganda victory for the ukrainians, given the symbolism that has surrounded that ship since the very start of the conflict. there have been renewed reports of shelling in car cave in the north—east of ukraine overnight. the ukrainian local official says at least 2a children are among the 500 civilians who have died in that city since the start of the invasion. for the moment. _ since the start of the invasion. for the moment, thank you very much. the first asylum seekers who are deemed to have arrived in the uk illegally could be flown to rwanda in the next six weeks, according to the government. thousands could be sent to east africa within the next five years under controversial plans to tackle small boat crossings in the channel. ministers have already conceded they will face a legal challenge in the courts. we're joined now by our political correspondentjonathan blake. jonathan, will this policy ever see the light of day? i don't think anyone in government would pretend this is a quick fix, a silver bullet to solve the problem of people crossing the english channel to try to get to the uk. the prime minister in his speech in kent announcing the policy yesterday accepted there would be legal challenges. he said it is not going to be in place overnight and he said it was part of the solution to the problem of channel crossings not the whole solution. so the government is accepting there will be hurdles to overcome and significant ones to get this policy up and running. nevertheless the prime minister said it is the only option the government has at this point, because this is politically very difficult and embarrassing issue people attempting to cross the channel and get to the uk went for all of the rhetoric borisjohnson all of the rhetoric boris johnson and all of the rhetoric borisjohnson and his ministers all of the rhetoric boris johnson and his ministers gave all of the rhetoric borisjohnson and his ministers gave in the run—up to the last election and the referendum campaign about taking back control of immigration. but in terms of the timeline we can expect to potentially see this policy of flying people to rwanda in place, that the policy at number ten, andrew griffith spoke last night. it doesn't require new legislation, we think_ doesn't require new legislation, we think we _ doesn't require new legislation, we think we can do this under the existing — think we can do this under the existing convention so it should be possible _ existing convention so it should be possible to — existing convention so it should be possible to be implemented and operationalised in weeks or a small number_ operationalised in weeks or a small number of— operationalised in weeks or a small number of months. the operationalised in weeks or a small number of months.— operationalised in weeks or a small number of months. the numbers are im ortant number of months. the numbers are important because _ number of months. the numbers are important because day _ number of months. the numbers are important because day after- number of months. the numbers are important because day after day, - important because day after day, there are more and more people coming across the channel and as the weather gets warmer and the sea is calm over the summer, those numbers will likely increase. but there are thousands potentially over a matter of months, but the capacity for people to be accommodated and processed in rwanda under this policy is in the low hundreds. that is why opposition parties and others are saying that it won't work long term and never mind the moral objections people have as well. thank you very much, jonathan. a terrorist with the so—called islamic state, who was raised in london, is likely to spend the rest of his life in jail after he was convicted in the us of taking part in the abduction, torture and beheading of several western hostages. el shafee elsheikh, who is now 33, was part of a group nicknamed "the beatles" by their captives, because all four had british accents. because all four had nomia iqbal reports from virginia. because all four had her mother asked me to... because all four had nearly a decade later, el shafee elsheikh will finally pay for his crimes. he has been found guilty of being a member of the gang who kidnapped and beheaded hostages in syria. the victims were american journalists james foley, steven sotloff and aid workers peter kassig and kayla mueller. he also conspired in the deaths of british aid workers david haines and alan henning. none of their bodies have ever been found, and now theirfamilies have finally got justice. it was a lot more emotional. i expected it to be... happy, excited, but you know, it's realisation that you know, he's guilty and what he's done to all the families, all the hostages. i've not slept a full night's sleep, probably since my dad was killed in 2014. so hopefully tonight i'll get a full night's sleep. i wanted him to have a fair trial and i think it's very important that he was considered innocent, you know, until proven guilty. he was given the best in terms of mercy and justice, as opposed to what our citizens and the british citizens went through. all of them have been in court every day, reliving the nightmare kayla mueller�*s mother wept on the stand as she read out ransom emails sent by elsheikh, saying the gang wanted millions for her daughter to be freed. former hostages who were released after the ransom was paid, described elsheikh and his accomplices as sadists who electrocuted, waterboarded and starved them. one said he tried to kill himself to escape. the defense tried to make out this was a case of mistaken identity, relying on the fact he always wore a full mask around hostages. in court when the verdicts came in, the families quietly wept and held each other�*s hands. there was an audible sigh of relief. it's taken nearly ten years for them to finally get justice. elsheikh showed very little reaction. he won't get the death penalty as part of a us—uk extradition agreement, but he does now face spending the rest of his life in jail. nomia iqbal, bbc news, virginia. as we've been hearing, one of those killed was the british aid worker, david haines. his brother, mike, has been speaking about the impact his death has had on their family. david was my little brother. hejust had this charisma around him. he was a bubbly person. he drew people in. when david started talking with refugees, he changed. we saw for the first time a sense of purpose. he'd found his calling. then you heard the news he'd been kidnapped. yeah. i thought it was the worst day of my life. having to tell my mum, our mum, our parents, ourfamily, that he had been taken. ijust couldn't imagine anything worse. we firmly believed that once isis knew that they had british and american hostages, they were dead men walking. itjust took them 18 months of hell. and then you heard the worst news possible. can you tell us about that? 13th september was a beautiful day. we'd filled it full of family love and laughter and hope... ..hope my brother would come home safe. my phone began to ring. it was three minutes past 11:00 at night. and there was a blackness inside of me. because it was the call that i'd been dreading since day one. as my team leader here in london, told me that david was no longer with us. and i gathered my family together, i took my mum's hand... we told her her son couldn't be hurt anymore. that was truly the worst night of my life. terrorists with any attack are looking to spread hatred. their actions of murdering my brother were about hate. and if i hate, they win. they hold a big part of my life because i have hate for them, so i will not give them hate. david's remains lie rotting in the desert somewhere. he was not brought home. and for me, that's not important, because david walks with me still. that was mike haines speaking about his brother david, who was killed at the hands of the so—called islamic state. it's set to be a busy bank holiday weekend for travel as millions of people take their first easter holiday without covid travel restrictions in three years. congestion is likely in dover, where p&0 ferry services to and from calais remain suspended. simonjones is there for us this morning. tell us about how things are moving. good morning from here in dover. you might think holiday weather but already lorries are queueing to get into the port. if we move the camera around you might be able to make out... ~ , out... we will stay with those ictures out... we will stay with those pictures for — out... we will stay with those pictures for a _ out... we will stay with those pictures for a moment, - out... we will stay with those - pictures for a moment, apologies to simon, we cannot hear him properly at the moment. you are getting a sense, you have seen these pictures over the past few weeks, this is the queue of trucks that have built up over a period of time. that is the m20. the story yesterday we were hearing was that most of the people trying to get away are on the ships and the eurotunnel. in fact, there weren't many delays, it was flowing fairly freely, so relatively good news for those trying to get away over the weekend. if we can, we will go back to simon later in the programme. a look at the number of people on the roads this weekend. if you are packing up the car at the moment, 21.5 million leisure trips will be made by car between today and monday. that is an awful lot of people out on the roads this weekend. it will give you an idea of where the problems might be and the hold—ups might be throughout the course of the morning. tensions are growing in shanghai as some people are being forced out of their homes so they can be turned into temporary quarantine centres to fight the spread of covid. authorities there hope the strict lockdown on nearly 25 million people will curb a fresh outbreak, but it has led to clashes between residents and police. 0ur china correspondent robin brant sent this report from shanghai. three weeks into lockdown, some in shanghai are angry. in broad daylight, a confrontation. the police, up against the people. scenes like this have become increasingly unusual here. but then so is locking down almost 25 million people. head to toe in protective suits, in an eastern district of the city, officers were forcing people out of their rented apartments so they could turn them into temporary quarantine facilities, all in the name of a war against a resurgent covid. forsome, it was name of a war against a resurgent covid. for some, it was too much, their homes sequester, the desperation easy for all to hear. a few miles away, there was an organised protest. a bold stand as the lockdown takes hold. in a country where you can be arrested for picking quarrels, they are angry about a local school being turned into another quarantine facility. police with riot shields forced them off the street in the end. this was on a small scale. but it is a sign of anger and frustration as this lockdown goes on. larger scale social unrest is what the ruling communist party fee is the most and would likely tolerate the least. robin brant, bbc news, shanghai. the duke and duchess of sussex met the queen yesterday in their first joint visit to the uk since announcing their intention to step down as senior royals. prince harry and meghan stopped en route to the netherlands, where the invictus games will get under way tomorrow. they left the uk in january 2020 and have since made several damaging claims about how they were treated by some members of the royal household. now the weather with sarah. good morning. with the long easter weekend, it is nice to deliver a weather headline like this. things are looking largely dry for the uk and one for the time of year. we will see more rain later on on easter sunday and into easter monday as well. always more cloud across western parts of the uk. we will be seeing a few weather fronts that will be trying to edge in from the atlantic but high pressure will be building towards the east. this morning to start your good friday, we have some mist and low cloud around across eastern england and some of the irish sea coast. most of the low cloud and mistiness will bend back and things will brighten up bend back and things will brighten up to the day. there will be a few splashes of rain for northern ireland and western scotland at times but small chance of a shower elsewhere but most of us staying dry with long spells of sunshine and temperatures in the mid to high teens, possibly 20 or 21 degrees towards the south—east today. one or two spots of light rain in the north—west, but most places dry once again. mild, but we will have clearer skies across parts of eastern england so it is here temperatures will fall lowest first thing saturday morning. for southern and eastern england that is where you will see the lion's share of the sunshine from the word go tomorrow. more cloud, murky around some of the coasts and hills in the west, but the low cloud and making a standing to bend back towards the coast and brighten up. long spells of sunshine, lighterwinds brighten up. long spells of sunshine, lighter winds tomorrow and pleasant conditions if you are getting away. temperatures between 13 and 19 degrees and cooler towards the northern isles. a quick look ahead to easter sunday into monday as well, we are likely to see a weather front pushing in from the north—west, so the chance of rain for northern ireland and scotland. many of us avoiding the wet weather so lots of dry conditions on the cards. feeling fresher by easter monday as the weather front has moved through. but generally, the next few days looking fine and dry for most of us. back to you both. let's take a look at some of today's papers. a number of the front pages focus on the reaction to the government's plan to send some asylum seekers to rwanda. the times reports that ministers want the first flights to take place in a matter of weeks. the mirror's front page brands the scheme as "nasty" and "inhumane". the paper also quotes a former home office official saying the plans "may well be unworkable". the telegraph reports on a british man who has reportedly been captured by russian forces while fighting for the ukrainian military. aiden aslin's family have appealed for him to be treated humanely. and the sun leads with the duke and duchess of sussex's visit to windsor, where they met with the queen. it's their first joint trip to the uk since they stepped down as senior royals in 2020. if you don't think you'll make it to the burning man festival in the nevada desert this year, don't worry, it'll come to you. are don't worry, it'll come to you. you going to miss it charlie? are you going to miss it this year, charlie? let me think, what am i doing? whenever i see the picture of it it looks like a great event. 12 huge sculptures from the famously "out there" event have been put on display in the more genteel surroundings of chatsworth house, in derbyshire. navtej johal went to have look. in the heat of the nevada desert, they come in there tens of thousands. their tens of thousands. burning man, an annual arts and cultural gathering which first began more than 30 years ago, creates a temporary city in the black rock desert. it's renowned for its huge sculptures, parties and what it calls a focus on radical self—expression. it is in every way, thousands of miles from here. chatsworth house in the peak district is the home of the duke and duchess of devonshire, and they've decided to share the grounds for a while with some of burning man's most eye catching attendees. burning man wanted to put some of their art at chatsworth in a park in a different landscape to what it's used to. and of course, we were thrilled because we love doing new things, we've always done new things. because i can see it out of my window. out of your bedroom window? yes, i can see it. and so at the moment, this is the favourite, but it'll change. you know, when i get to know the other ones better, it'll change. you ask me in a month, it'll be something different. well, this is the first time that any artwork from burning man has been in the uk. and although this landscape is more used to sheep and deer, for the next six months, it will be home to creatures like this. benjamin langholz has recreated a recent artwork he featured at burning man for chatsworth using locally quarried stone. as soon as i got here, i sort of had this idea for this spiral, this upwards movement. i like to build at scale and bring a little bit of the idea of like risk and responsibility, like who is responsible for the fact that you start walking higher and higher? i think it's you. some people think it's health and safety of chatsworth. there will be 12 installations in total, ranging from bears made of pennies to a militaryjet with hand—blown glass flowers. all of them free for the public to visit. but not everyone seems convinced that the desert and derbyshire can work together. i'm sure there's better places for it, but uh... j tough crowd! yeah, sorry to be negative, but you did ask. _ it's really cool, like juxtaposition, isn't it? yeah, yeah. like the new with the old. i'm impressed. i think it's a bit strange that they've got it here, to be honest. you think it's a bit strange? yeah, well, because they have it in the desert and everybody's kind of... it's true that burning man has a reputation for hedonism, but the organisers say there's more to it than that. ultimately, it's a place of making and creative expression. and for some people, the easy thing is to say, "hey, somebody�*s naked at burning man." it's a pretty simple and not that interesting way to think about something as special as black rock city. can you imagine yourself ever going to visit burning man? in theory. in practice, i'm not too keen on camping. in the meantime, the duke is hoping plenty will be keen to welcome chats with its latest guests. navteonhal, bbc news. beautiful, i love that. it is a juxtaposition, but i think it works. what is the last festival you want to, charlie? someonejust said it would stock! not very kind. you were telling me a great story about a festival experience in your teenage years. no, not me. definitely you. we will save that for your autobiography. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london, and welcome to viewers in norfolk, suffolk and essex too. i'm tolu adeoye. motoring groups say this weekend could be the busiest on the regions roads for years. today is expected to see the most traffic of the bank holiday weekend. with good weather expected to add to the numbers on the roads. the strategic road networks, so the motorways, the major a—roads are likely to be busier, particularly going into tourist hotspots, all people heading to the coast. airports are also expecting to be extremely busy. 300,000 people will travel through stansted airport alone. only about 8,000 went through the airport this time last year when the restrictions were still in place. and on the trains, euston station is closed this weekend for essential upgrades to the west coast mainline meaning there won't be any direct trains on the line. services will start and finish at milton keynes. away from travel, and covid vaccination sites will be open in the east from today to get more people jabbed over the holidays. centres across cambridgeshire, peterborough, norfolk and waveney will offer spring boosters for over 755, and those who are are severely immunosuppressed. now a head nurse at st george's hospital in tooting — who's also a massive michael buble fan has her dreams come true by meeting the singer over zoom. it was part of bbc radio london's �*make a difference' campaign, celebrating pandemic heroes. the night before, i wasjust singing his songs in my head, just going over and over all of his songs. i was like which one is he going to sing to me? and all i kept thinking was ijust want to see michael. i just want to see michael. now let's take a look at the tubes ths morning. as you can see lots of issues there with planned closures for work. so the best bet is to check your route before you travel. 0nto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello. good morning. well it's looking like a very decent bank holiday weekend if weather ahead with high pressure largely dominant out towards the east at the moment. then it should stay dry. there will be plenty of sunshine around for much of the time and temperatures will be above average too for this time of year. the warmest day will be today. those temperatures are set to dip by the time we get to bank holiday monday but again it is looking dry. so this morning we're starting off with most of our temperatures and high single figures of course it is mild, it's frost free. but there is a bit of mist and murk out there. that will lift and click quite readily as we head through the morning. lots of sunshine for the first half of the day with cloud bubbling up as we head through the afternoon. could be one or two isolated showers but you'd be very unlucky to catch one for the vast majority of us. completely dry and temperatures are likely to be around 21, even 22 celsius. 0ut towards western spots the winds stay light. through this evening and overnight, we do the whole thing all over again. perhaps a bit more cloud into tomorrow morning. again, a mild start to saturday but is merely mist around. a bit more cloud tomorrow. temperatures won't be quite so high but still some decent spells of sunshine. i'm back with the another update in half an hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now though it's back to charlie and rachel. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and rachel burden. coming up on the programme this morning. the actorjulie hesmondhalgh will tell us about her friend, the campaigner sylvia lancaster, who died suddenly this week, 15 years after her daughter sophie was murdered for being a goth. we'll meet henry, who has spent much of his life in great 0rmond street hospital, but he doesn't let that get in the way of play—time. can you do that? i mean, as a job? not here but in america. and can you believe it's 20 years since these two were inspiring a generation of girls to bend it like beckham? we'll chat to a blackburn rovers player who says the film put her on the path to a professional career. as we've heard, parts of ukraine have suffered another night of heavy bombing by russia, including the capital city of kyiv. that's where president volodymyr zelensky has been based since the invasion began, in a secret and heavily fortified location. clive myrie was invited there to spend some time with him. europe has been giving one billion dollars a day to russia for its oil and gas. and it's given you and the ukrainian people $1 billion in military aid since the beginning of the war. how do you deal with that? translation: we don't understand how you can make money out of blood. - unfortunately, this is what some countries have been doing. european countries. for example, and i'd like us to be frank, for example, the oil embargo is i think one of the key issues which we know has been blocked by germany and hungary among european countries and we need to talk together with these countries on how it's possible for there to be different attitude to this issue, the oil embargo within the european union. how do you negotiate peace? how do you move forward? how do you sit across the table to try to stop the war? how do you do that? translation: how can this war be ended? - does the president of a country at war has many options for ending the war? fighting until the last ukrainian as some people in some countries want? 0r doing everything possible so as not to lose tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even possibly millions of people, stopping world war iii? doing everything possible to end this war as soon as possible? doing everything possible so ukraine is not 100% destroyed? how is this possible to achieve? i don't think anyone has an answer that's 100% correct because otherwise it would have already been done. are you getting the weapons you need to fight that war in the east because it is going to be a very different campaign to the more urban street fighting that we saw here in the north around the capital? are you getting the right weapons you need from the west? translation: we need to wage war | today and we need weapons today. | we cannot wait until this or that country decides to give or sell them to us and it can be either way. in two or three weeks, in a month. some haven't decided yet. still, when we talk about the united states, great britain or some european states, they have been trying to help us and they have been helping us. however, we need them sooner. and we need more of them. is there enough of everything? we don't think there is. the situation in mariupol, everything has been destroyed. many, many lives have been lost. 95% of all the buildings. 95%. destroyed in mariupol. one of the biggest cities, not only in ukraine, in europe. 500,000 people. how much people more killed their nobody knows. what they said, lying. nobody knows how much people are still there. nobody knows. the whole interview is absolutely fascinating, isn't it? yes, clive spent some time in what they call the operations room within that says headquarters. we will speak to clive live on the programme later to get his thoughts on president zelensky. that's around 830 this morning. the whole interview available on the bbc news channel this saturday at 5:30pm. it will be on the iplayer immediately after that. it is good friday morning. being easter weekend, big weekend of sport. a big night last night. do you have fond memories of 1976? john, you won't even born. i was asking you guys. thanks very much. it is a big time for west ham united on the last time they made semifinal of the european competition. they are into the semifinals, as our ranges, so two really big win so it was a big night night for british football which is where we will start. good morning. it will go down as one of the great nights for west ham and with it comes the chance of qualifying for the champions league next seson after beating lyon 3—0 last night to progress four one on agregate. dan glyde was watching. having waited over a0 years to make the european semifinal, west ham were hoping their fortunes wouldn't be hiding, but facing the competition's top scorers is difficult. karl toko ekambi thwarted by the woodwork. david moyes' side had their chances though. top scorerjarrod bowen often does better than that. another opportunity soon came and craig dawson did do better. advantage west ham. and they doubled that advantage soon after. captain declan rice giving them more than a grain of hope. after the break, that hope turned to despair for the french side. bowen on target this time. happy hammers. lyon needed a quick response. frustration for moussa dembele. malo gusto did better but the frenchman was denied by compatriot areola. west ham were not to be denied though. fortune favoured them. and their european tour continues. dan glyde, bbc news. and they'll hope thatjourney ends in the final in seville on may 18th, where they could face rangers who needed an extra time winner to reach the last four. they were trailing 1—0 from first leg against braga at ibrox, so you can only imagine the scenes as captainjames tavernier levelled the tie afterjust 69 seconds. he added a penalty and rangers looked to be through until braga hit back through daveed carmo. that took the tie to extra time before rangers grabbed that late goal thanks to kemar roofe scored where they will face face rb leipzig. leicester are on course for some european silverware of their own, they're into the semi—finals of european football's third tier competition, the europa conference league they too came from behind to beat dutch side psv eindhoven. after a goalless first leg, it was settled on the night, james maddison and ricardo pereira with the goals after psv had grabbed the first — the first time leiceser have reached a european semi—final. what a big night it was for british football. scotland's delayed world cup play—off semi—final with ukraine has been rescheduled for 1st june. the fixtures were postponed due to russia 5 invasion of ukraine. if steve clarke 5 side progress, they'll take on wales in the play—off final in cardiff on the fifth ofjune. the winner of that match will go to qatar in group b alongside england, usa and iran. world heavyweight champion tyson fury says retirement is not on his mind ahead of his bout with dillian whyte. at the news conference to announce the fight last month fury said he would "100%" retire after, however speaking at a press conference yesterday, fury admitted he is not "thinking about retirement. " to be honest with you i'm only thinking about dillian whyte at this moment. i'm not thinking about retirement. that will all come after i've had the fight. we'll think about what's going to happen and what the future holds for me. at the minute i've got a massive task in dylan. a lot of people are underestimating dillian whyte, but not me. and finally, recognise this boy scoring for manchester united playing for their academy team in a tournament in spain, and after scoring united's fifth goal, cristiano ronaldojunior wheeled away to enjoy the moment before he delivered his dad's trademark celebration. like father like son! scoring goals and producing celebrations like that. how old is he? i'm not sure. 13 or 1a. celebrations like that. how old is he? i'm not sure. 13 or14. i celebrations like that. how old is he? i'm not sure. 13 or 1a. i don't know. but clearly got the skills to pay the bills. just like his dad. not that he needs to pay the bills perhaps when cristiano ronaldo senior is your father. good to see you not putting pressure on the young lad at such an early age. i think he is clearly ready for it to be doing the celebration and all that, he clearly feels like he can handle it, i guess. he's on the right place at manchester united. who knows where he will go on to. i imagine they will look after him pretty well to be fair. if he's anything like his dad he will want to. thank you. but time is now 640. the first easter weekend without travel restrictions in three years means millions of us will be trying to get some sort of holiday this weekend. for some that means braving the queues at air and sea ports. for others, it's a trip closer to home. ben's with some campers in surrey. that looks like a nice day down there. how is it? it is gorgeous. imagine waking up to this view. this beautiful, tranquil lake. it feels 1 this view. this beautiful, tranquil lake. it feels1 million miles away from any of that travel disruption that you mentioned. let me show you around. this is the horsley caravan club site. we've got some pictures for big motorhomes, smaller caravans, some tent pictures as well all dotted around this gorgeous lake at the centre of it all. as you say, at the centre of it all. as you say, a lot of people eager to make the most of the fact that this is the first easter break for three years without any covid restrictions. the numbers really reflect that. let me talk you through them. more than seven million brits are planning a domestic holiday over the easter break. a very welcome boost to businesses who have had an awful few years. local pubs and shops have had a really tough few years. the financial benefit to them could be worth up to £1.8 billion. holiday rental bookings have surged in the lead—up to this weekend. bookings for one of the biggest cottage companies are up 75 percent on 2019 before the pandemic. but there are lots of people seeking out a camping or caravanning trip too. bookings for sites like these ones are up 33 percent on pre—covid so what is the appeal apart from what you can see obviously? we went to birmingham to find out. i fancy having a means to go away whenever i feel i get without having to pack everything. just when i come home from work on a friday night, get in the van and go away. irate home from work on a friday night, get in the van and go away. we had a new baby and — get in the van and go away. we had a new baby and we _ get in the van and go away. we had a new baby and we want _ get in the van and go away. we had a new baby and we want to _ get in the van and go away. we had a new baby and we want to explore - get in the van and go away. we had a new baby and we want to explore the j new baby and we want to explore the caravan _ new baby and we want to explore the caravan we — new baby and we want to explore the caravan. ~ ., ., ._ , , new baby and we want to explore the caravan. . ., ., , , , caravan. we have always been campers but durin: a caravan. we have always been campers but during a knock-down _ caravan. we have always been campers but during a knock-down we _ caravan. we have always been campers but during a knock-down we invested i but during a knock—down we invested in a caravan _ but during a knock—down we invested in a caravan because _ but during a knock—down we invested in a caravan because we _ but during a knock—down we invested in a caravan because we couldn't - but during a knock—down we invested in a caravan because we couldn't go i in a caravan because we couldn't go anywhere — in a caravan because we couldn't go anywhere hre— in a caravan because we couldn't go an here. �* , ., in a caravan because we couldn't go an here. �* ., ., ., , anywhere. are you caravan owners alread ? anywhere. are you caravan owners already? yes, _ anywhere. are you caravan owners already? yes, 30 _ anywhere. are you caravan owners already? yes, 30 odd _ anywhere. are you caravan owners already? yes, 30 odd years. - anywhere. are you caravan owners already? yes, 30 odd years. every time we have _ already? yes, 30 odd years. every time we have been _ already? yes, 30 odd years. every time we have been reinventing - already? yes, 30 odd years. every time we have been reinventing up| time we have been reinventing up buying _ time we have been reinventing up buying a _ time we have been reinventing up buying a caravan and taking it home. what _ buying a caravan and taking it home. what is _ buying a caravan and taking it home. what is it— buying a caravan and taking it home. what is it that appeals? just buying a caravan and taking it home. what is it that appeals?— what is it that appeals? just the freedom really, _ what is it that appeals? just the freedom really, i— what is it that appeals? just the freedom really, i think. - what is it that appeals? just the freedom really, i think. you - what is it that appeals? just the freedom really, i think. you are| freedom really, i think. you are freedom really, i think. you are free to go where you want. you can get to the beaches and the hills and all that kind of stuff whenever you want. �* , ., ., all that kind of stuff whenever you want. �*, ., ., ., ., ., all that kind of stuff whenever you want. ., ., ., ., want. it's a home away from home so ou've not want. it's a home away from home so you've got all — want. it's a home away from home so you've got all of _ want. it's a home away from home so you've got all of your _ want. it's a home away from home so you've got all of your things - want. it's a home away from home so you've got all of your things and - you've got all of your things and its comfort as well. a bit more comfortable than a tent. it�*s its comfort as well. a bit more comfortable than a tent. it's nice for the children, _ comfortable than a tent. it's nice for the children, cheaper - comfortable than a tent. it's nice i for the children, cheaper holidays, fresh _ for the children, cheaper holidays, fresh air, — for the children, cheaper holidays, freshair, being— for the children, cheaper holidays, fresh air, being outside. _ for the children, cheaper holidays, fresh air, being outside. you- for the children, cheaper holidays, fresh air, being outside.— for the children, cheaper holidays, fresh air, being outside. you get to choose different _ fresh air, being outside. you get to choose different places _ fresh air, being outside. you get to choose different places to - fresh air, being outside. you get to choose different places to go. - fresh air, being outside. you get to choose different places to go. i - choose different places to go. i like the freedom to go where i want. the ability— like the freedom to go where i want. the ability tojust like the freedom to go where i want. the ability to just pull up. like the freedom to go where i want. the ability tojust pull up. put like the freedom to go where i want. the ability to just pull up. put the studies _ the ability to just pull up. put the studies down and make a brew and we en'oy studies down and make a brew and we enjoy the _ studies down and make a brew and we enjoy the freedom. we enjoy having our grandchildren families around. you can— our grandchildren families around. you can come and go as you please can eat _ you can come and go as you please can eat what — you can come and go as you please can eat what you want when you want, do what _ can eat what you want when you want, do what you _ can eat what you want when you want, do what you want, so we really enjoy it. i'v e i've been having a look around this camper van i've been having a look around this campervan and i've been having a look around this camper van and i've been told by everyone here, my team, to put the kettle on, so i will leave that to do its thing. it's really cosy in there. before you get worried, i have asked for permission. let's speak to simon mcgrath from the camping and caravanning club. what do you think the appeal is if people want to do this? what draws people want to do this? what draws people to sites like this?— people to sites like this? caravan sites are fantastic _ people to sites like this? caravan sites are fantastic places - people to sites like this? caravan sites are fantastic places to - sites are fantastic places to explore the countryside, to have some family adventures or do whatever activities you enjoy doing. last night for example i strolled around the campsite. the sun was setting and could smell food cooking on barbecue, the birds tweeting, and people were chatting to each other. they wear with family and friends but also chatting to their neighbours and that's part of it, it's very social and people enjoy getting into the outdoors. it's very social and people en'oy getting into the outdoors. some --eole getting into the outdoors. some peeple may _ getting into the outdoors. some peeple may be _ getting into the outdoors. some peeple may be put _ getting into the outdoors. some people may be put off— getting into the outdoors. some people may be put off and - getting into the outdoors. some people may be put off and think| getting into the outdoors. some | people may be put off and think i don't own a caravan, hiring one is expensive, if people are looking to do this for the first time, what is your advice?— your advice? there's lots of help out there so _ your advice? there's lots of help out there so talk— your advice? there's lots of help out there so talk to _ your advice? there's lots of help out there so talk to people, - your advice? there's lots of help out there so talk to people, do l your advice? there's lots of help i out there so talk to people, do your research, get some advice camper vans, there's lots of hire companies out there. you could always borrow a tent and pitch it in the garden for the first time and sign up to a manoeuvring course. the caravan club website has lots of information if you are new to camping and want to find out more. you you are new to camping and want to find out more-— you are new to camping and want to find out more. you don't necessarily need to have — find out more. you don't necessarily need to have your— find out more. you don't necessarily need to have your own _ find out more. you don't necessarily need to have your own caravan - find out more. you don't necessarily need to have your own caravan to i find out more. you don't necessarilyj need to have your own caravan to do this? ., .., ., ., ~' need to have your own caravan to do this? ., .., ., ., ~ ., need to have your own caravan to do this? ., ., ., , this? you can look to borrow things and hither this? you can look to borrow things and higher things. _ this? you can look to borrow things and higher things. maybe _ this? you can look to borrow things and higher things. maybe borrow. this? you can look to borrow things and higher things. maybe borrow a | and higher things. maybe borrow a tent from somebody but there's lots of help out there.— of help out there. simon, thank you very much- — of help out there. simon, thank you very much- just _ of help out there. simon, thank you very much. just before _ of help out there. simon, thank you very much. just before we _ of help out there. simon, thank you very much. just before we finish - of help out there. simon, thank you j very much. just before we finish up, i have got to give you one more look out across this stunning lake. i mean, i'm keeping my voice down by the way because it is still in early and not many people are up and about yet. i've seen one or two early dog walkers. we will be speaking to some of the campers here when they are up and about later on. when you greet them, i have been told the rule if you have to greet them with hi-de-hi. you have to greet them with hi—de—hi. what is the response? keep quiet out there, we are trying to get some sleep, that's what the responses. technically it is wholly home. thank you, yes. something like that. enjoy that view. isn't it stunning? sarah can tell us who is going to get a view like that today. beautiful, isn't it? a stunning morning and i'm veryjealous of ban on that campsite this morning. there is something special about sitting outside your tent watching the world go by and if you are planning on doing that this weekend then you are in for a treat because we have got some fine and dry weather around for the easter weekend. this is the picture in nottinghamshire. beautiful sunrise. more cloud and mist for some of us first thing this morning but it should brighten up and over the next few days things are looking one for the time of year. definitely sunshine around for many of us. it won't stay completely dry throughout the easter weekend. sunday into monday some of these weather front in the atlantic start to edge their way in. but how precious it to the east and that will dominate things out there for many of us. this morning we have no cloud and mist across eastern england but also in west around some of the irish sea coasts and hills, a bit murky. rain for northern ireland, north—west scotland but most of the no cloud will burn back towards the coast. things were brighten up so long spells of sunshine, lifting temperature to 12-20, sunshine, lifting temperature to 12—20, possibly 21 towards the south—east. an isolated chance of a rogue shower in northern england, central scotland but most places staying dry throughout the day and overnight. the clearest of the skies tonight will be across parts of eastern and south—eastern england so temperatures will fall at lowest into mid single figures but for most of us it will be a mile starting tomorrow. sunshine from the word go towards the south and east. further north and west, more cloud, mist and murk particularly close to the coast, around the irish sea, but like today, they will burn back towards the coast, so sunshine developing widely once again tomorrow and temperatures will do well and it will feel really pleasant out there. 13—19, possibly 20. moving to saturday into sunday, we start to see the weak front moving in from the west into monday. it will bump into that area of high pressure so i think we will see a bit of a change on the cards for easter sunday. the rain grazing parts of northern ireland in western scotland so a bit more cloud pushing on. england and wales probably keeping the sunshine all day once again and with those light southerly winds, temperatures will be doing very well for the time of year, generally the mid to high teens for most of us. it looks like as front pushes eastwards it will fizzle out so not too much rain as we move into easter monday. a lot of dry weather on the cards with long spells of sunshine, blustery showers perhaps in the far north—west of the uk, but temperatures by easter monday a little bit down so we are looking at a 10-17. still little bit down so we are looking at a 10—17. still above average in fact for this time of year but do enjoy the weather over the next few days, lots of fine weather if you've got plans to get out and about. back to you both. thank you very much. see you later on. you're about to meet a little boy called henry. like most four—year—olds, he loves running, swimming, cycling and trampolining. but he has to do all of that while attached to a ventilator tube that's keeping him alive. lizzie rose went to meet him, and hear about the huge challenges he's overcome. starting preschool is always a big moment, but forfour—year—old henry, who spent his early years living at one of the country's biggest children's hospitals, this is another huge achievement. he's never played with 20 children in one room before. not in a nursery setting with activities and structure, so it's fantastic. henry was born with a number of conditions, one of which means his windpipe doesn't allow for growth. atjust weeks old, he was rushed to london for life—saving surgery. if it wasn't for that he wouldn't be here today, he absolutely wouldn't be. he's got one lung that doesn't work very well. he's got one lung that's kind of normal. he's just a complete anomaly. come and get me! it was the start of 15 months and two christmases in hospital. but that's where henry became a star. # would it be ok if. i came home to you? the star of a tv advert, and the star on top of a famous christmas tree. they said we've actually got a puppet that's been made of henry that's going to go on top of the hamleys christmas tree. we were just like completely blown away. and henry still has dozens of fans across the hospital. all: good luck, henry! good luck from kangaroo ward! there we go. with the help of mum, dad and brother george, henry's reached some incredible milestones. he rides a bike without stabilisers. we have a trailer for the ventilator. he can cycle and pull it behind him. we've got swimming, which again is phenomenal for a child with a tracheostomy and ventilation. he loves climbing trees. he's round the parks all the time. we've just been to alton towers and been on the rollercoasters. the complexity of henry's condition means even medical experts don't know if or when he'll be able to come off his ventilator, but he's ready to take on any challenges that come his way. he's just a four—year—old little boy and he's just full ofjoy, full of energy, and as long as i'm behind him, then we make it happen. if he goes down the slide, so do i. he isjust gorgeous. what he is just gorgeous. what a delightful child. i love the bike with a trailer on the back. everyone has been thinking so carefully about how to make it work. whatever he wants to do he can do it. henry is clearly a strong character himself. it's amazing what is mum is doing. the dedication and the time she puts in. we'll be speaking to henry and his mum shevonnejust after half—past eight. the film bend it like beckham — about a british indian girl who dreams of becoming a footballer was released 20 years ago this week. since then, the profile of women's football has increased hugely, and participation among players of south asian heritage is also on the rise. miriam walker—khan has made a documentary about the film, called "bend it like beckham: 20 years on". we can see a bit of it now. i wonder if i had an arranged marriage, would i get someone who'd let me play football whenever i wanted? who were you talking to? bend it like beckham was a huge success and it made history as the highest grossing film about football. there are so many elements of it that are still true today. the film actually gave me a little bit of clarity about where i want to go with my life. i was like, this is me on screen. she's found her people. maybe i can find my people. rosie kmita, the first south asian woman to play in the wsl, you're kind of like a real—life jesminder, aren't you? i'm up for it. what's crazy isjesminder was probably for a lot of south asian girls, their only role model, that looked like us and was from the same background. and she wasn't real. which is sad. yeah, it is sad. when you think about that, the fact that we had to really use our imagination in that sense and look at a film and think, ok, that is possible but it was a film, right? whereas now you can look at the likes of myself, mas, who plays at aston villa at the moment, you can now see it and i think that's the beauty of the difference that we've seen 20 years on. that's right, john. could jesminder be the answer to england's praise? _ alan? crikey, i look a lot younger. she looks comfortable on the ball. i tell you what, i wish she was playing for scotland. yeah, i think i overacted a little bit. when i did it, i can't remember why i said yes, because i kind of turn down a lot of things like that normally, but i think i did like the script and i thought it was quite cute and funny. but i never imagined it would be the success that it obviously was. this film kinda brings up all those issues of identity and feeling like you don't quite fit in there, but you don't quite fit in there either, and so i think that's what's timeless about it. in a way it's sad that it's still relatable to today's world 20 years later. but it's also the concept of pushing for women's football, pushing that it shouldn't be women's football, it should just be football in general. i want to play professionally. wow, can you do that? i mean, as ajob, like? sure. not really here, but you can in america. j one of the best things about watching the film now is looking at the development of women's football in this country. now we are seeing on the best american players come here and play in our league. what's that like for you as women's football fans to see that? where women's football is now with the wsl being one of the few fully professional leagues in the whole entire world, it is such an exciting time for women's football. maybe it will take you right back thinking about 20 years ago. 0ddly thinking about 20 years ago. oddly enough, we were saying earlier on we thought it was longer, more than 20 years ago, but the film you can hear more on tomorrow's breakfast. we'll be chatting with the film's director — gurinder chadha — at around ten to nine, along with a blackburn rovers player, millie chandarana, who says it helped to inspire her. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london — and welcome to viewers in norfolk, suffolk and essex too. i'm tolu adeoye. motoring groups say this weekend could be the busiest on the regions roads for years. today is expected to see the most traffic of the bank holiday weekend. with good weather expected to add to the numbers on the roads. the strategic road networks, so the motorways, the major a—roads are likely to be busier, particularly going into tourist hotspots, all people heading to the coast. airports are also expecting to be extremely busy. 300,000 people will travel through stansted airport alone — only about 8,000 went through the airport this time last year when the restrictions were still in place. and on the trains — euston station is closed all weekend. it's for essential upgrades to the west coast mainline meaning there won't be any direct trains on the line. services will start and finish at milton keynes. away from travel, and covid vaccination sites will be open from today in the east to get more people jabbed over the holidays. centres across cambridgeshire, peterborough, norfolk and waveney will offer spring boosters for over 755, and those who are are severely immuno—suppressed. now a head nurse at st george's hospital in tooting, who's also a massive michael buble fan has had her dreams come true by meeting the singer over zoom. it was part of bbc radio london's �*make a difference' campaign, celebrating pandemic heroes. the night before, i wasjust singing his songs in my head, just going over and over all of his songs. i was like which one is he going to sing to me? and all i kept thinking was ijust want to see michael. i just want to see michael. now let's take a look at the tubes ths morning. as you can see, lots of issues there with planned closures for work. so the best bet is to check your route before you travel. 0nto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello. good morning. well it's looking like a very decent bank holiday weekend if weather ahead with high pressure largely dominant out towards the east at the moment. then it should stay dry. there will be plenty of sunshine around for much of the time and temperatures will be above average too for this time of year. the warmest day will be today. those temperatures are set to dip by the time we get to bank holiday monday but again it is looking dry. so this morning we're starting off with most of our temperatures and high single figures of course it is mild, it's frost free. but there is a bit of mist and murk out there. that will lift and click quite readily as we head through the morning. lots of sunshine for the first half of the day with cloud bubbling up as we head through the afternoon. could be one or two isolated showers but you'd be very unlucky to catch one for the vast majority of us. completely dry and temperatures are likely to be around 21, even 22 celsius. 0ut towards western spots the winds stay light. through this evening and overnight, we do the whole thing all over again. perhaps a bit more cloud into tomorrow morning. again, a mild start to saturday but is merely mist around. a bit more cloud tomorrow. temperatures won't be quite so high but still some decent spells of sunshine. for weather details for the east, do check the bbc weather website. i'm back with the another update in half an hour. now though it's back to charlie and rachel. bye for now. good morning welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and rachel burden. 0ur headlines today: russia's most powerful warship in the black sea has sunk, as large explosions are heard in the ukrainian capital kyiv. a controversial scheme to send some asylum seekers from the uk to rwanda could be up and running in a matter of weeks according to the government, despite the threat of legal action. a former british national faces life in prison after he was convicted of being part of an islamic state group responsible for the killing of american and british hostages in syria. what a night for the british clubs in europe as both rangers and west ham reach the semi finals of the europa league and could face each other in the final. good morning. lots of dry and sunny weatherfor many good morning. lots of dry and sunny weather for many others through the easter weekend. cloud and murkiness towards the north and west but temperatures above 20 degrees. a bit of rain later on sunday perhaps, but i will have all the details coming up i will have all the details coming up shortly. it's friday the 15th of april. our top story. explosions have been heard overnight in ukrainian cities, including the capital kyivjust hours after russia's most powerful warship in the black sea was sunk. ukraine claims it struck the ship with missiles but russia continues to insist the sinking was caused by an accidental explosion coupled with rough seas. with all the latest details, here's tim allman. the scourge of the black sea now buried at the bottom of it. but how the moskva got there is still disputed. ukraine says it hit the ship with cruise missiles launched from the coast. russia would only admit there had been an explosion on board and it then sank in bad weather. if the ukrainians were responsible it would be the biggest warship to be sunk by enemy action since the second world war. this is a tremendous victory for ukraine, even if they didn't directly contribute to the sinking. and it's an enormous defeat for russia because it indicates that the russian armed forces simply aren't up to snuff in terms of modern military capabilities. perhaps not, but it does beg the question how will russia react? these were air raid sirens heard overnight in the western city of lviv for the first time in several days. and there were reports of powerful explosions in the capital kyiv. in his latest video message, president zelensky made reference to the fate of the moskva. he praised the ukrainian people, those who stopped the advance of endless columns of russian equipment, those who proved that russian planes were defenceless, and those who proved that russian ships can only go to the bottom of the sea. but in the east of the country, invading troops continue their operations. the ukrainian government fears their main goal now is to destroy the donbas region. russia may have sustained a heavy defeat, but it is still very much in this war. tim allman, bbc news. a member of the so—called islamic state group, who was raised in london, is likely to spend the rest of his life in jail after he was convicted in the us of taking part in the abduction, torture and beheading of several western hostages. el shafee elsheikh, who is now 33, was part of a group nicknamed "the beatles" by their captives, because all four had british accents. nomia iqbal reports from virginia. her mother asked me to... nearly a decade later, el shafee elsheikh will finally pay for his crimes. he has been found guilty of being a member of the gang who kidnapped and beheaded hostages in syria. the victims were american journalists james foley, steven sotloff and aid workers peter kassig and kayla mueller. he also conspired in the deaths of british aid workers david haines and alan henning. none of their bodies have ever been found, and now theirfamilies have finally got justice. it was a lot more emotional. i expected it to be... happy, excited, but you know, it's realisation that you know, he's guilty and what he's done to all the families, all the hostages. i've not slept a full night's sleep, probably since my dad was killed in 2014. so hopefully tonight i'll get a full night's sleep. i wanted him to have a fair trial and i think it's very important that he was considered innocent, you know, until proven guilty. he was given the best in terms of mercy and justice, as opposed to what our citizens and the british citizens went through. all of them have been in court every day, reliving the nightmare kayla mueller�*s mother wept on the stand as she read out ransom emails sent by elsheikh, saying the gang wanted millions for her daughter to be freed. former hostages who were released after the ransom was paid, described elsheikh and his accomplices as sadists who electrocuted, waterboarded and starved them. one said he tried to kill himself to escape. the defense tried to make out this was a case of mistaken identity, relying on the fact he always wore a full mask around hostages. in court when the verdicts came in, the families quietly wept and held each other�*s hands. there was an audible sigh of relief. it's taken nearly ten years for them to finally get justice. elsheikh showed very little reaction. he won't get the death penalty as part of a us—uk extradition agreement, but he does now face spending the rest of his life in jail. nomia iqbal, bbc news, virginia. the first asylum seekers who are deemed to have arrived in the uk illegally could be flown to rwanda in the next six weeks, according to the government. it's part of controversial plans to tackle small boat crossings in the channel. let's get a sense of the scale of the issue. 600 people arrived illegally into the uk, via the channel, on wednesday alone. and more than 28,500 people crossed the channel last year — that's almost a tenfold increase on four years ago. the scheme will apply to men and women, but not children orfamilies. it will include those who've arrived in the uk since the beginning of the year and if claims for asylum are successful they will be offered long—term accommodation in rwanda. in return, britain will pay the rwandan government a set amount per refugee, as well as donating £120 million per year for the next five years. charities and opposition mps have raised concerns about rwanda's human rights record, and the government has already conceded it will face a legal challenge in the courts. we'rejoined now by tony smith, former director general of uk border force. tony smith, very good morning to you. a simple question given your expertise, can this scheme work? good question, charlie. i am afraid the short answer is, i don't know. the details are still emerging and i think it will be days or even weeks until we know whether this is feasible. i think you are right, there will be an immediate legal challenge against the government has macro policy on the grounds that it breaches some form of international or potential human rights of asylum laws. there is a new bill on the box now, it will be ping—pong in parliament, and there is precedent for this in australia where people have been diverted to a third place, a third country for processing. as i understand, this is a resettlement arrangement, not a processing arrangement. even if people qualify for asylum after being sent to rwanda, they will not be brought to the uk, they will be given a new life there. it is a radical proposal and a bold one. behind it, it is an attempt to stop this tragedy we are seeing on the english channel. ihla seeing on the english channel. no one disputes that the loss of life is the thing that is trying to be targeted. can i go through some basics with you, given your expertise? is it illegal to cross the channel on a small boat if you are seeking asylum in the uk? that de-ends are seeking asylum in the uk? that depends which _ are seeking asylum in the uk? twat depends which lawyer you talk to. i have had conversations with very eminent qc is coming at this from different political perspectives. there is no such thing as an illegal person, certainly. there is an argument that anyone has an entitlement to claim asylum —— asylum anywhere in the world. it is whether someone is in immediate fear or danger. when you look at what we have been doing in afghanistan, getting people out of kabul or even certainly what we are doing in poland now, trying to help people who are in immediate fear. there is a distinction to be made and that is not the government's new bill says, between people immediately fearing retribution and are already in refugee camps, as opposed to those who have been through a great many other countries and potentially lived in other countries for a long period of time and are not in immediate fear. i think that legal debate will rage on and the bill needs to hit the statute book. as soon as the border forts starts to move people onto an aircraft to go to rwanda, there will be an injunction. that is what happens now. i don't know what the answer is to stopping the boats. if we don't do something, more people will drown out the human smugglers will make more money and we will face an asylum intake, the likes of which we have not seen for 20 years, the biggest asylum intake we have ever seenin biggest asylum intake we have ever seen in this country. this t seen in this country. as i understand _ seen in this country. as i understand it, _ seen in this country. as i understand it, as - seen in this country. as i understand it, as of- seen in this country. as i | understand it, as of today seen in this country. as i understand it, as of today the royal navy vessels are in charge of policing, i am navy vessels are in charge of policing, iam not navy vessels are in charge of policing, i am not sure what the appropriate term is, policing the channel and they are taking over that role. do you understand what has changed today? i that role. do you understand what has changed today?— that role. do you understand what has changed today? i know there have been negotiations _ has changed today? i know there have been negotiations going _ has changed today? i know there have been negotiations going on _ has changed today? i know there have been negotiations going on between l been negotiations going on between the home office and the ministry of defence on governance. the fleet we have inherited our customs cutters, they are designed to identify drug smugglers. when you go to the ministry of defence, a lot of the time i was in charge of the security for the olympics and i worked with the navy and a lot of other agencies, and there are a lot of assets around, surveillance assets, opportunities to spot things perhaps the border force couldn't. opportunities to spot things perhaps the borderforce couldn't. this is an opportunity to add weight to the bulls of all is. i don't think the blood of false or be excluded from the operation but giving the navy the operation but giving the navy the greater reach over the waters, it will give them the chance to spot people and those who will try to evade our offices and boats and try to get in illegally that way, because they are concerned if they get caught by us they might end up on a plane to rwanda. in get caught by us they might end up on a plane to rwanda.— on a plane to rwanda. in practical terms, on a plane to rwanda. in practical terms. those _ on a plane to rwanda. in practical terms, those on _ on a plane to rwanda. in practical terms, those on the _ on a plane to rwanda. in practical terms, those on the royal- on a plane to rwanda. in practical terms, those on the royal navy i on a plane to rwanda. in practical- terms, those on the royal navy ships will do the same role as your boat used to, they will bring people to uk shores?— uk shores? you are right, they haven't got _ uk shores? you are right, they haven't got any _ uk shores? you are right, they haven't got any additional- uk shores? you are right, they i haven't got any additional powers uk shores? you are right, they - haven't got any additional powers or authority than the border force has. the primary objective of the maritime operation is to save lives. we don't want people to drown and the navy can help with that, as well as the border force. the navy can help with that, as well as the borderforce. there the navy can help with that, as well as the border force. there are a lot of people, the rnli and a lot of people out there trying to save lives and stop people from drowning. have you seen what these boats are like? 0nce have you seen what these boats are like? once we save the life, what do we deal with the individual on board, once they are on board and safe? if the outcome is ultimately you will be allowed to stay permanently in the uk, then that is just going to fuel the smugglers' business model. people will get to northern france and pay thousands of euros to get into an unseaworthy vessel and it will perpetuate the problem. this is an attempt by the government to break the cycle. if we cannot get an agreement with the eu are france, which is the preferred option as a third country agreements, but if they are not prepared to take people back, what are we going to do? we have to do something to stop the boats. tow; something to stop the boats. tony smith, thank— something to stop the boats. tony smith, thank you _ something to stop the boats. tony smith, thank you for _ something to stop the boats. tony smith, thank you for your - something to stop the boats. tony smith, thank you for your time this morning. we can speak now to human rights lawyer, sue willman. what other potential legal problems with this arrangement? this what other potential legal problems with this arrangement?— with this arrangement? as we have 'ust with this arrangement? as we have just heard. — with this arrangement? as we have just heard, there _ with this arrangement? as we have just heard, there are _ with this arrangement? as we have just heard, there are a _ with this arrangement? as we have just heard, there are a lot - with this arrangement? as we have just heard, there are a lot of- just heard, there are a lot of practical problems before you even get to the legal issues. how are they going to force people to go to rwanda? we know it's not so long since a man he was being forcibly removed died during the attempted removal. it is difficult to see on a practical basis, have people who are, some of them are likely to be under 18, some will be torture and trafficking survivors and some will be very mentally ill, how is it anticipated to support large numbers of people 4000 miles? going back to legal challenges, the government has tried to target lawyers already, but they don't even have the laws in place all the procedures in place yet to be able to do this. it is quite difficult for the lawyers to say what legal challenges might be. they believe they are able to introduce this new system without introducing any new legislation. they also say there is this problem that there are these parallel routes at the moment, those coming through approved rates to the uk and those coming through these so—called illegal roots and then getting caught up in an endless cycle of legal processes, which is not good for the individuals and it is not good for the taxpayer either, is it? it is interesting, why are people coming over the channel? the reason is, they are not allowed to get onto aeroplanes, they are not allowed to get onto the eurostar and it is much more difficult for them to get in lorries to get over. there aren't any safe routes for most asylum seekers to come into the uk. if the government provided safe routes, then people wouldn't need to get onto the boats. there isn't any such thing as an illegal asylum seeker. the majority of people are coming from war—torn countries. they are coming from eritrea, palestine, syria, you know, these people are being granted asylum. in terms of the taxpayer, my solution is to process claims promptly so instead of people waiting 18 months, they are given yes or no with fair decision—making and that we have a proper system of accommodation, as we did 20 years ago when the numbers of asylum seekers were much higher than they are now. we of asylum seekers were much higher than they are now.— than they are now. we are told this new oli than they are now. we are told this new policy could — than they are now. we are told this new policy could apply _ than they are now. we are told this new policy could apply to _ than they are now. we are told this new policy could apply to people i than they are now. we are told this i new policy could apply to people who have arrived in the uk since the start of this year. are you likely to be launching any legal action on behalf of any current asylum seekers in this country? the behalf of any current asylum seekers in this country?— in this country? the ma'ority of my clients, including h in this country? the majority of my clients, including single _ in this country? the majority of my clients, including single men - clients, including single men already are traumatised. some of them have come via libya and they have been beaten, they have seen people being killed. they have been held and false to work in order to pay for their passage. some of them have been detained and tortured in their home countries. they have also lots of difficult issues. so the idea that they could just be put on an aeroplane to rwanda, where we don't know very much about the quality of the accommodation, are they going to be provided with health care? it certainly seems that will breach uk legislation which says asylum seekers have to be housed in adequate accommodation. 0k, can you answer, our previous guests that it is a bit murky, but is it illegal for people to travel to the uk by boat to enter the country via that route? is it illegal? country via that route? is it illeual? .,, country via that route? is it illeual? , .,, country via that route? is it illeual? , ., _ illegal? those people arriving by boat are rrot _ illegal? those people arriving by boat are not illegal _ illegal? those people arriving by boat are not illegal asylum - illegal? those people arriving by - boat are not illegal asylum seekers, it is not illegal to claim asylum. we have signed the refugee convention which says that we will not send people back until we have processed their refugee claim. so it is very important that listeners understand this whole idea if you come by boat instead of by another route, you are illegal, is completely incorrect. the prime minister is misleading the public and suggesting there is such thing as an illegal asylum seeker before they make a claim.— as an illegal asylum seeker before they make a claim. thank you. we will talk to — they make a claim. thank you. we will talk to a _ they make a claim. thank you. we will talk to a representative - they make a claim. thank you. we will talk to a representative from | will talk to a representative from the government later on. now the weather with sarah. good morning. the easter weekend upon us now and the weather not looking too bad. lots of dry and fairly warm weather on the cards. this is the picture in tulsa. a bit of low cloud and mist in some places so not wall—to—wall sunshine through today, good friday and the rest of the weekend. we are expecting sunshine around, temperatures will be average as well. we have high pressure sitting towards the east of the uk and over the next few days a couple of weather fronts that will start to edge their way in. they were bumped into the high and that will be winning out today and tomorrow. low cloud and mist around for part of eastern england, murky for part of eastern england, murky for eastern scotland and also some of the irish sea coasts in the west, low cloud and mac. splashes of rain for northern ireland at times, but most places looking dry and subtle. most of us in the mid to high teens could be 21, possibly 22. just a bit cooler across the north and north—east of scotland. through tonight, largely dry, just like rain in the far north—west of the uk. clear skies holding a longest across south—eastern england that it is here temperatures will fall but most of us mild, frost restart to your saturday. saturday brings another largely dry day, more cloud towards the north and the west and a bit mist and murk around the hills and coast but that should break up and things will brighten up to the day. sunny spells and highs 13 to 19 and possibly 20 degrees and that will feel pleasant with the light winds. into easter sunday and easter monday, we will see a weather front trying to push in from the north—west, so could be a bit of rain around for some of us during easter sunday and into monday. things are fresher as we head into monday. the next few days looking fine and dry for most of us. the duke and duchess of sussex met the queen yesterday — in their firstjoint visit back to the uk since announcing their intention to step down as senior royals. prince harry and meghan stopped en route to the netherlands, where the invictus games will get under way tomorrow. 0ur royal correspondent campbell can tell us more. what does this visit tell us about relations between the sussexes and the rest of the family? good morning. significant because of the length of time since the duke and duchess of sussex have been in the uk. we knew the invictus games, the uk. we knew the invictus games, the paralympic style event that the duke of sussex are set up a few years ago, that is going on in the hague, starting tomorrow. we knew he would be travelling overfrom america. but no one was sure if he would stop in the uk or not. these reports started emerging in the newspapers late last night saying they had been seen by bus—loads of people in the windsor castle estate. yesterday there was an event at windsor castle, the royal maundy service were 96 men, 96 women around windsor castle weather at the ceremony with prince charles and the duchess of cornwall. it appears meghan and harry flew into the country on wednesday evening, stayed at their house on the windsor estate, so the queen in the morning and then flew off to the netherlands yesterday afternoon. first time meghan has been in the country since march 2020 and the first time harry has been here since he had the brief visit to unveil the statue of diana lastjuly. last time he would have been at windsor castle would have been at windsor castle would have been before that at the funeral of philip, almost exactly a year ago. all this at a time when there is concern about the clean's health? there is concern, yes. she should have been at the maundy, normally she would have been at the royal maundy service handing out the purses to pensioners. she wasn't there, we do not expect her to attend the sunday service on easter sunday. as a committed christian, the services are very important to her, she has rarely missed any of these events around about easter, but this has been a pattern since october last year. we know she has issues with her mobility and that stopped her attending several events. the last time we saw her was at the thanksgiving service for her husband prince philip, on the 29th of march. prince harry didn't attend that service, so this will have been the first time since then he has seen her. so the clean, 96 years old next week. we know she hasn't seen prince harry and meghan for a long time. we cannot second guess what she might be thinking, but one would assume she would be happy to see them having not seen them for a long time. .. ., them having not seen them for a long time. ., ., ~ them having not seen them for a long time. ., ., ,, ,., them having not seen them for a long time. ., ., ,, y., , . it's set to be a busy bank holiday weekend for travel as millions of people take their first easter break without covid restrictions in three years. geeta pendse is at manchester airport. what's the situation like at the moment, geeta? we have seen lots of flights take off this morning on what you say is the busiest day of travel of the easter holiday. we have seen queues of up to 90 minutes at security, with some passengers even missing their flight. with some passengers even missing theirflight. that with some passengers even missing their flight. that doesn't seem to be the case this morning and we are told queues are moving steadily. let me give you a snapshot of the scale of travel across the easter weekend. when it comes to flights it is expected there will be 9200 flights departing from uk airports across the next four days. if you are planning on getting in the carfor a day trip or a staycation, you are not going to be alone. the rac estimates there will be 21.5 million leisure carjourneys across the easter weekend so they could be disruption across the uk. when it comes to train services, that is where there could be potential disruption. network rail say they will be 530 engineering projects that will be taking place across the easter bank holiday. that includes work to lions including the west coast main line and also the closure of london euston train station which might cause significant disruption. although there has been advanced notice about that. the general advice seems to be to check ahead before you travel, allow plenty of time for yourjourney and before you travel, allow plenty of time for your journey and hopefully that means you will arrive where ever you want to go and enjoy a well earned break. ever you want to go and en'oy a well earned break.— simonjones is in dover, where p&0 ferry services to and from calais remain suspended. how's it looking, simon? we had one or two problems talking to you early on, the fog is still there, what is the situation with comings and goings?— there, what is the situation with comings and goings? pretty murky mornin: in comings and goings? pretty murky morning in dover. _ comings and goings? pretty murky morning in dover. the _ comings and goings? pretty murky morning in dover. the weather - comings and goings? pretty murky i morning in dover. the weather really reflects the mood of some of the lorry drivers who have been waiting for a long time to get into the port. throughout the morning we have seen lorries that have been queueing along this road. they are releasing their latest batch to go into the pot. the idea is, they try to release lorries as time goes on so the town does not become clogged up. lorries coming through but there have been some pretty long queues. the big issue is capacity at the port of dover. because p&0 ferries have no sailings this easter weekend between dover and calais. they were suspended over a month ago when the company sacked 800 of its workers and replace them with cheaper agency staff. since then, this week p&0 failed safety inspections on two of their ferries, failed safety inspections on two of theirferries, so failed safety inspections on two of their ferries, so they are not allowed to take to see. as a result, the port of dover is down around a third of its capacity. you can see the lorry starting to queue up if we just move the camera row, you can make out the start of the queue, these lorries waiting to get into these lorries waiting to get into the port. if you are a passenger, not in a lorry, you don't have to join these queues. but, some of the traffic is being taken off the motorway so you may have a longer journey than usual. there could be a diversion and one of the ferry companies in dover are saying don't turn up if you haven't got a booking because it is set to be busy over the weekend, potentially tens of thousands of passengers wanting to get across the channel. we often say it, in times like this, check before you travel. also, we are promised the weather is going to get a bit better, but certainly rather chilly and gloomy here this morning. simon, thank ou and gloomy here this morning. simon, thank you very — and gloomy here this morning. simon, thank you very much. _ time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london and welcome to viewers in norfolk, suffolk and essex too. i'm tolu adeoye. motoring groups say this weekend could be the busiest on the regions roads for years. today is expected to see the most traffic of the bank holiday weekend, with good weather expected to add to the numbers on the roads. the strategic road networks, so the motorways, the major a—roads are likely to be busier, particularly going into tourist hotspots, all people heading to the coast. airports are also expecting to be extremely busy. 300,000 people will travel through stansted airport alone — only about 8,000 went through the airport this time last year when the restrictions were still in place. and on the trains — euston railway station is closed all weekend. it's for essential upgrades to the west coast mainline meaning there won't be any direct trains on the line. services will start and finish at milton keynes. away from travel, and covid vaccination sites will be open from today in the east to get more people jabbed over the holidays. centres across cambridgeshire, peterborough, norfolk and waveney will offer spring boosters for over 755, and those who are are severely immuno—suppre55ed. now a head nurse at st george's hospital in tooting, who's also a massive michael buble fan, has had her dreams come true by meeting the singer over zoom. it was part of bbc radio london's �*make a difference' campaign, celebrating pandemic heroes. the night before, i wasjust singing his songs in my head, just going over and over all of his songs. i was like which one is he going to sing to me? and all i kept thinking was ijust want to see michael. i just want to see michael. now let's take a look at the tubes ths morning. as you can see lots of issues there with planned closures for work. so the best bet is to check your route before you travel. 0nto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello. good morning. well it's looking like a very decent bank holiday weekend if weather ahead with high pressure largely dominant out towards the east at the moment. then it should stay dry. there will be plenty of sunshine around for much of the time and temperatures will be above average too for this time of year. the warmest day will be today. those temperatures are set to dip by the time we get to bank holiday monday but again it is looking dry. so this morning we're starting off with most of our temperatures in high single figures of course it is mild, it's frost free. but there is a bit of mist and murk out there. that will lift quite readily as we head through the morning. lots of sunshine for the first half of the day with cloud bubbling up as we head through the afternoon. could be one or two isolated showers but you'd be very unlucky to catch one for the vast majority of us. completely dry and temperatures are likely to be around 21, even 22 celsius. 0ut towards western spots the winds stay light. through this evening and overnight, we do the whole thing all over again. perhaps a bit more cloud into tomorrow morning. again, a mild start to saturday but is merely mist around. a bit more cloud tomorrow. temperatures won't be quite so high but still some decent spells of sunshine. for weather details for the east do check the bbc website. i'm back with the another update in around an hour. now though it's back to charlie and rachel. bye for now. hello. this is breakfast with charlie stayt and rachel burden. explosions and air raid sirens have been heard overnight in ukrainian cities, including the capital kyiv and the city of kherson in the south. it comes just hours after russia's most powerful warship in the black sea was sunk. ukraine claims it struck the ship with missiles but russia continues to insist the sinking was caused by an accidental explosion coupled with rough seas. the first asylum seekers who are deemed to have arrived in the uk illegally could be flown to rwanda within weeks. the government's plan to deter thousands of migrants from crossing the channel has been criticised by opponents as "unworkable and cruel". thousands could be sent to east africa within the next 5 years — but ministers have already conceded they will face a legal challenge in the courts. a member of the so—called islamic state group — who was raised in london — is likely to spend the rest of his life in jail after he was convicted in the us of taking part in the abduction, torture and beheading of several western hostages. el shafee elsheikh, who is now 33, was part of a group nicknamed "the beatles" by their captives, because all four had british accents. they have been accused of the brutal killings ofjournalists and aid workers, including britons alan henning and david haines. more than 160 charities and campaign groups have signed an open letter criticising the government's plan to send asylum seekers to live in rwanda. they call the idea "shamefully cruel". let's speak now to tom pursglove, who is the minister for tackling illegal migration. thank you very much for your time this morning. i wonderfirst of thank you very much for your time this morning. i wonder first of all, if we started basics, could you paint our audience a picture of rwanda? just a basic snapshot of it. look, this is obviously a very significant policy announcement we've made, a new economic development partnership with rwanda, a country that wants to provide sanctuary and one is to provide opportunity. a country i would argue has made huge strides of the last three decades. the fact that they are only one of two countries in the world that has a female majority parliament, country that has an anti—discrimination law running right to its constitution, and one that for example the unhcr places refugees with because they recognise at a country that wants to play its part in once to provide sanctuary and is progressive in its outlook and is progressive in its outlook and of course that's one of the fastest growing economies in the world. ~ . fastest growing economies in the world. . ., ., fastest growing economies in the world. ., ., ., world. what about population, life expectancy. _ world. what about population, life expectancy. that _ world. what about population, life expectancy, that kind _ world. what about population, life expectancy, that kind of— world. what about population, life expectancy, that kind of thing? i world. what about population, life| expectancy, that kind of thing? it's clearl a expectancy, that kind of thing? it�*s clearly a country making enormous... how many people live there and what is their life expectancy? the how many people live there and what is their life expectancy?— is their life expectancy? the fact is their life expectancy? the fact is that clearly _ is their life expectancy? the fact is that clearly in _ is their life expectancy? the fact is that clearly in africa _ is their life expectancy? the fact is that clearly in africa there i is their life expectancy? the fact is that clearly in africa there are | is that clearly in africa there are many countries in africa and this is one that is at the forefront.- one that is at the forefront. sorry, do ou one that is at the forefront. sorry, do you know _ one that is at the forefront. sorry, do you know the _ one that is at the forefront. sorry, do you know the population i one that is at the forefront. sorry, do you know the population of- do you know the population of rwanda? do you know the life expectancy? rwanda? do you know the life expectancy?_ rwanda? do you know the life exectan 7�* ., ., ., expectancy? i'm afraid i don't have that fi . ure expectancy? i'm afraid i don't have that figure to _ expectancy? i'm afraid i don't have that figure to hand _ expectancy? i'm afraid i don't have that figure to hand this _ expectancy? i'm afraid i don't have that figure to hand this morning. . that figure to hand this morning. but we are sending people there? we are but we are sending people there? - are absolutely determined to send people there because we think this is the right approach to take to preserve lives, to stop these terrible dangerous crossings of the english channel that are so egregious, where people pay evil people smugglers, that cannot continue. but somethings got to change, the dynamic needed to be shifted and that is what we are determined to do through this new economic partnership as well as the wider reforms we are introducing for immigration. tell wider reforms we are introducing for immigration-— immigration. tell us a little bit about... people _ immigration. tell us a little bit about... people are _ immigration. tell us a little bit about... people are focusing i immigration. tell us a little bit | about... people are focusing on immigration. tell us a little bit i about... people are focusing on a learning curve about remand at the moment, the us state department and the uk has also made representations in terms of their human rights. they talked about forced disappearances in remand, unlawful killings, torture, harsh life threatening prison circumstances. are you certain it's the right place to send people? t certain it's the right place to send --eole? . certain it's the right place to send ..eole? ., .., certain it's the right place to send oneole? ., people? i am confident the approach we are taking — people? i am confident the approach we are taking to _ people? i am confident the approach we are taking to this _ people? i am confident the approach we are taking to this is _ people? i am confident the approach we are taking to this is entirely i we are taking to this is entirely compliant with our international obligations, through the refugee convention and echr, and of course, under the remand aside, it's also essential they are compliant with those obligations and the key test in all of this will be as to whether individuals who arrive will be relocated to remand. the decision will come down to whether it safe for them. will come down to whether it safe forthem. each will come down to whether it safe for them. each case will be looked at on a case—by—case basis taking proper consideration of all of the factors relevant to their case and their circumstances. that is the right and responsible way to approach this. that's the one we are going to move forward with as we operationalise this policy. can going to move forward with as we operationalise this policy.- operationalise this policy. can we to operationalise this policy. can we go through _ operationalise this policy. can we go through some _ operationalise this policy. can we go through some basics? - operationalise this policy. can we go through some basics? it i operationalise this policy. can we | go through some basics? it would operationalise this policy. can we i go through some basics? it would be really helpful because there is some confusion. what is the 120 million? the £120 million is to establish this economic development partnership in the first place. and then of course, as we move forward, as people are relocated to rwanda, we will continue to make contributions that will mean that partnership is able to develop over the period ahead of us but they are also consistent with the sums of money we are spending on dealing with this issue currently in this country. but that should help us to ensure that in the fullness of time, we are able to reduce some of those costs because we have to get this under control, its costs because we have to get this under control, it's completely unsustainable to have thousands of people making these dangerous crossings of a channel for example. as we move forward, that's why doing this in this way will help us to stop that. it's one intervention amongst the many, but it should mean that not only are people not risking their lives, but also getting in to control some of these costs. for example we are spending any £5 million a day at the moment accommodating people in hotels. i think your viewers at home and say it unsustainable and not acceptable. the 120 million is a down payment. how much will it cost per person that we want to send to rwanda? {lit that we want to send to rwanda? qt course that will depend upon the circumstances of the individual�*s concerns and what is an important distinction to make here is once individuals are relocated to rwanda, they are then the responsibility of they are then the responsibility of the authorities there. i they are then the responsibility of the authorities there.— they are then the responsibility of the authorities there. i thought we were paying. _ the authorities there. i thought we were paying. as — the authorities there. i thought we were paying. as i _ the authorities there. i thought we were paying, as i understood i the authorities there. i thought we were paying, as i understood it, i were paying, as i understood it, just help me with the basics, i thought that when they get to amanda the uk government was giving the room government the money to look after them for a period of time. is that incorrect? == after them for a period of time. is that incorrect?— after them for a period of time. is that incorrect? -- rwanda. we will be sopporting _ that incorrect? -- rwanda. we will be sopporting the _ that incorrect? -- rwanda. we will be supporting the ongoing - that incorrect? -- rwanda. we will be supporting the ongoing costs i that incorrect? -- rwanda. we will be supporting the ongoing costs of| be supporting the ongoing costs of the resettlement of those individuals in remand. that obviously will depend on the circumstances of the person. can you rive me circumstances of the person. can you give me an — circumstances of the person. can you give me an estimate _ circumstances of the person. can you give me an estimate of _ circumstances of the person. can you give me an estimate of those - circumstances of the person. can you give me an estimate of those figures| give me an estimate of those figures because boris johnson give me an estimate of those figures because borisjohnson said he didn't want to write a blank cheque but if you haven't got the numbers, this is a blank cheque?— a blank cheque? that's not the case because the — a blank cheque? that's not the case because the difficulty _ a blank cheque? that's not the case because the difficulty is _ a blank cheque? that's not the case because the difficulty is it _ a blank cheque? that's not the case because the difficulty is it depends l because the difficulty is it depends upon the volume, and of course i can't predict definitively how many people are going to make these dangerous crossings as we move forward can't put a cost figure on that because it will depend upon the circumstances, the number of people coming, the length of time people decide to stay in remand. those will all effectively determine some of the cost outcomes. but it's vital that we take this approach to tackle this issue. is that we take this approach to tackle this issue. , ., ., ., ., this issue. is it guaranteed that no children will— this issue. is it guaranteed that no children will be _ this issue. is it guaranteed that no children will be relocated - this issue. is it guaranteed that no children will be relocated to i children will be relocated to rwanda? ~ . �* children will be relocated to rwanda? ~ ., �* ., children will be relocated to rwanda? ., �* ., ., ., ., rwanda? what i'm not going to do, charlie, this — rwanda? what i'm not going to do, charlie, this morning, _ rwanda? what i'm not going to do, charlie, this morning, is _ rwanda? what i'm not going to do, charlie, this morning, is to - rwanda? what i'm not going to do, charlie, this morning, is to help i charlie, this morning, is to help the evil criminal gangs to exploit vulnerable people by putting individuals at greater risk but what i would say, i hope i can provide reassurance in making the point that cases will be looked at on a case—by—case basis, taking proper account of everybody circumstances in question. that is the right approach to take to this. the problem you've got is that these evil gangs will miss no opportunity to exploit vulnerability and what i wouldn't want to do is encourage for example evil criminal smugglers to put children in small boats. nobody should be making these crossings. that is an absolute fact. it is imperative, and i can't stress enough people are leaving safe country to make these perilous journeys to the uk and that's got to stop me got up at those criminal gangs out of business. so children ma be gangs out of business. so children may be amongst _ gangs out of business. so children may be amongst those _ gangs out of business. so children may be amongst those relocated? j gangs out of business. so children i may be amongst those relocated? as i said, the may be amongst those relocated? .th i said, the bottom may be amongst those relocated? is i said, the bottom line is that cases will be looked at on a case—by—case basis but one thing i have said for example in the house is that unaccompanied children would not be deported. flan unaccompanied children would not be deorted. . ,, unaccompanied children would not be deorted. ., i. , deported. can you help me with the role of the royal— deported. can you help me with the role of the royal navy? _ deported. can you help me with the role of the royal navy? today, i role of the royal navy? today, literally as we speak, there's something very different going on in those waters. how many ships and personnel are involved? so obviously we've had a — personnel are involved? so obviously we've had a long-standing _ we've had a long—standing relationship with the royal navy where they have brought a lot of expertise but we are taking that further. the royal navy is now in command in the channel. that is the right thing to do because what that is helping us to do is build resources and build that expertise. 0ne resources and build that expertise. one thing i know people in kent have been very concerned about is beach landings. the royal navy's additional expertise, as well as the extra resources will help us to stop that. ., ., , ., ., , extra resources will help us to stop that. ., ., , ., ., i, ,, extra resources will help us to stop that. ., ., , ., ., , , that. various... how many ships and how many personnel, _ that. various... how many ships and how many personnel, do _ that. various... how many ships and how many personnel, do you - that. various... how many ships and how many personnel, do you know i how many personnel, do you know that? it how many personnel, do you know that? , , ., . how many personnel, do you know that? , ,., . that? it depends on which day in cuestion. that? it depends on which day in question. there _ that? it depends on which day in question. there are _ that? it depends on which day in question. there are days - that? it depends on which day in question. there are days when i that? it depends on which day in i question. there are days when there are no crossings. there are days when there are greater numbers of crossings and there are days when there are extraordinary numbers of crossings and the whole system end to end, home office staff, royal navy, personnel, and anyone else involved in this work, has to work according to those circumstances so thatis according to those circumstances so that is dependent on precisely where we are on any given day but what this is doing overall is building the capacity in terms of personnel available, in terms of the resources available, in terms of the resources available and as the posture changes, the new plan for immigration is implemented, the chances are highly likely that more people will want to arrive on beaches and disappear. that clearly presents a border security risk and i think it's right in the royal navy help us to address that.— i think it's right in the royal navy help us to address that. thank you ve much help us to address that. thank you very much for— help us to address that. thank you very much for your _ help us to address that. thank you very much for your time _ help us to address that. thank you very much for your time this i very much for your time this morning. tackling illegal migration minister speaking to us this morning. quite a lot to unpick a conversation so as ever, we know a lot of you have got in touch about it yesterday, if you want to share your thoughts, it yesterday, if you want to share yourthoughts, please it yesterday, if you want to share your thoughts, please send them to us. time now for a look at the sport. big european night of football. they don't roll around very often for football fans but when they do, it is that moment when you can start dreaming big, booking tickets, and thinking of what might lie ahead and that's certainly the case for rangers and west ham who are into the semifinals of the europa league. rangers, theirfirst european rangers, their first european semifinal since rangers, theirfirst european semifinal since 2008. even longer for west ham. back to 1976. you can imaginejust how their for west ham. back to 1976. you can imagine just how their fans are feeling this morning after what was a very special night for british football last night. good morning. and rangers and west ham could meet in the final in seville in may, what a night that would be. they'll need to negotiate their semi finals first though. the scottish champions reaching theirs after an extra time winner against braga at ibrox last night to set up that first european semi final in 14 years. this is how rangers did it, they were trailing 1—0 from first leg, so you can only imagine the scenes as captain james tavernier levelled the tie after just 69 seconds. he added a penalty and rangers looked to be through until braga hit back through daveed carmo. it wasn't straightforward at all. that took the tie to extra time before rangers got that all important winner from kemar roofe to raise the roof at ibrox, and set up that last four tie against rb leipzig. as for west ham they could have faced barcelona in the last four, instead they'll take on frankfurt in theirfirst european semi final in over 40 years. 0ne all from the first leg agaisnt lyon, craig dawson gave them the lead in france, before declan rice got their second. and then after half—time top scorer jarrod bowen made it 3—0, to send them into their first european semi final since 1976 in what was a historic night for the hammers. you can imagine i don't know where i am right now. i think everyone in the dressing room is the same. the feeling is unbelievable. personally, i played twice this competition but never been more than quarterfinal. so really, really, really happy. leicester are chasing some european silverware of their own. they're into the semi—finals of european football's third tier competition, the europa conference league they came from behind to beat dutch side psv eindhoven. goalless from the first leg, it was settled on the night, james maddison and ricardo pereira with the goals after psv scored first. this the first time leiceser have reached a european semi—final. scotland's delayed world cup play—off semi—final with ukraine has been rescheduled for 1st june. the fixtures were postponed due to russia's invasion of ukraine. if steve clarke's side progress, they'll take on wales in the play—off final in cardiff on the fifth ofjune. the winner of that match will go to qatar in group b alongside england, usa and iran. and emma raducanu is set to lead the great britain team as they face the czech republic later in the billiejean king cup. the 19—year—old fronts a line—up which is withoutjohanna konta or heather watson for the first time in 12 years. raducanu's ranked 12th in the world and therefore the highest ranked player in the team which also features harriet dart, katie swan and sonay kartal. captain anne keothavong says raducanu is ready to embrace her position. just on the football last night, worth pointing out that leon ware suggesting there was no way they weren't going to pick west ham to get through to the semifinals are so just be warned, 0k, get through to the semifinals are so just be warned, ok, when it comes to sport, you can get found out and that was certainly the case last night but what a night it was. rangers fans, west ham fans, those flights. what a night it's going to be. whilst that your wavy warning hand you did there? sort of, yeah. be warned, people. be warned. the fans find out last night. warnings about the weather. what is your weather signal? about the weather. what is your weathersignal? i about the weather. what is your weather signal? i don't know, something sort of maybe... what is that? a cloudy shower and a dollar but it is sunny today. sarah has got one, surely. but it is sunny today. sarah has got one. surely-— one, surely. yes, it's all about the “azz one, surely. yes, it's all about the jazz hands — one, surely. yes, it's all about the jazz hands today. _ one, surely. yes, it's all about the jazz hands today, i _ one, surely. yes, it's all about the jazz hands today, i think— one, surely. yes, it's all about the jazz hands today, i think when i one, surely. yes, it's all about the jazz hands today, i think when the | jazz hands today, i think when the weather like this. it’s jazz hands today, i think when the weather like this.— weather like this. it's a lake in surre . weather like this. it's a lake in surrey- look _ weather like this. it's a lake in surrey. look at _ weather like this. it's a lake in surrey. look at that. - weather like this. it's a lake in surrey. look at that. it's i weather like this. it's a lake in i surrey. look at that. it's gorgeous, isn't it, serene _ surrey. look at that. it's gorgeous, isn't it, serene and _ surrey. look at that. it's gorgeous, isn't it, serene and beautiful- surrey. look at that. it's gorgeous, isn't it, serene and beautiful start l isn't it, serene and beautiful start to the day. light winds, as well so very nice for easter weekend. gorgeous. sunshine on the cards today. for most of the easter weekend we will see dry and bright weather around as well. it's not going to be wall to wall sunshine so we have got a bit more cloud and mist around as well so it's going to brighten up to the course of the day. and beautiful start do things in leicestershire this morning but we have got a few splashes of rain around through the weekend particularly later on easter sunday into easter monday. we might see a friend bring wet weather for some of us later in the week but certainly in the next few days looking warm and sunny as well. high pressure building up to the east of the uk. a couple of weather fronts trying to push on from the atlantic. they bump into the high pressure and they will tend to fizzle out. this morning, a few spots of rain across northern scotland, northern ireland, dry elsewhere. no cloud and mistiness in the west. a few fog patches in eastern scotland and eastern england but brightening up for most of us through the day. long spells of sunshine, lifting temperatures into the mid to high teens for many of us but we could see temperatures possibly in the low 205 across the south—east. 21—22. a beautiful end to the day. a warm evening, light winds overnight tonight so reasonably mild for most of us. the clearest skies across parts of east anglia and the south—east, so here temperatures will fall lowest into the mid—single figures and elsewhere, certainly, a frost free start to saturday morning. saturday, similar to good friday. we will have more cloud across northern and western parts of the uk and some immersed the mistiness across the hills which will brighten up through the day, so long spells of sunshine, similar temperatures today, up to about 14—19. we could see temperatures around 21 in a few spots. moving to saturday night into sunday, that's when we will start to see the weather front approaching from the west, so it's likely to be fairly slow to move its way through because it's bumping into the high pressure. tending to fizzle out into monday. we will see more cloud across northern ireland and scotland with that approaching front and a bit of rain later in the day in the far west but for the bulk of the uk easter sunday is going to be another dry day with light winds. sunny skies. temperature is doing well for the time of year. 12—19. always a bit cooler across the far north of scotland. into easter monday, as that front works its way through, shouldn't be too much rain but it will introduce fresh air from the west, more blustery showers across the far north—west of the uk into easter monday but many of us having another dry and fine day in temperatures again and edit it down on the rest of the weekend are still doing well for the time of year. so what ever you are apt you can have a glorious easter weekend. back what ever you are apt you can have a glorious easter weekend.— what ever you are apt you can have a glorious easter weekend. back to you both. sarah, — glorious easter weekend. back to you both. sarah, thank _ glorious easter weekend. back to you both. sarah, thank you _ glorious easter weekend. back to you both. sarah, thank you very - glorious easter weekend. back to you both. sarah, thank you very much. i tributes have been paid to the campaigner sylvia lancaster, who died suddenly this week. she founded the sophie lancaster foundation to tackle hate crime after her daughter was murdered in 2007. sophie and her boyfriend were targeted simply because they were goths. in 2014, sylia was awarded an 0be in recognition for her work tackling hate and prejudice. here's she is, speaking on the tenth anniversary of sophie's death. i mean, ten years is a long time in anybody�*s life, isn't it? yet i can probably remember word for word what was said, what was done, what happened. you know, it's a strange thing. it doesn't have go away. and you don't ever forget. now, over the years, people have seen the work we've done, they've seen our educational resources we've developed and paid for, and i think people see that we are making a difference. and we see that on a daily basis. and it's nice also you know for sophie to have a legacy. and i think that's been built and will continue to grow. do you ever think what if? 0ccasionally, yeah. one of her closest friends is getting married next year and you think that would have been nice. but not to be. what do you think sophie would have made of your campaigning? i often wonder you know because she always said, always, "i never want my face on a t—shirt" and when you look back you think, how prophetic is that one, you know? so we've always made sure she never has her face on a t—shirt although it is bandied about, i have to say. and i often think she would be going, "0h shut up, mum, for goodness' sake. now it's ten years and you're still banging on!" but the other side of it, the vain side, she'd enjoy it, i think. and hopefully, fingers crossed, she's up there and she's proud. beautiful girl and what an amazing mother, as well. the former coronation street actor julie hesmondhalgh is a patron of the sophie lancaster foundation and was a friend of sylvia, having played her on both stage and screen. i'm so sorry for your loss first of all. it's very sudden.— i'm so sorry for your loss first of all. it's very sudden. yes, it was very unexpected. _ all. it's very sudden. yes, it was very unexpected. how— all. it's very sudden. yes, it was very unexpected. how did i all. it's very sudden. yes, it was very unexpected. how did you i all. it's very sudden. yes, it was i very unexpected. how did you first come into contact _ very unexpected. how did you first come into contact with _ very unexpected. how did you first come into contact with sylvia? i very unexpected. how did you first | come into contact with sylvia? what was your connection?— was your connection? well, it was not lona was your connection? well, it was rrot long after— was your connection? well, it was not long after the _ was your connection? well, it was not long after the murder - was your connection? well, it was not long after the murder that i was your connection? well, it was not long after the murder that the foundation was set up and actually sylvia mack was friend was operations manager and i bumped into her twice and twice she gave me one of these sophie wristbands and asked me to get involved. shortly afterwards, myself and my husband decided to set up a writing competition for young people in the north—west and we decided to it for the foundation so it was on the subject of difference and it was through that really that i became very involved as did ian, my husband, we are both patrons, and that's when our working friendship began. that's when our working friendship be . an. �* that's when our working friendship bean. �* , ., that's when our working friendship bean. �* i. ., that's when our working friendship bean. �* ., , began. and you have course played her? yes, began. and you have course played her? yes. they _ began. and you have course played her? yes, they had _ began. and you have course played her? yes, they had been _ began. and you have course played her? yes, they had been an - her? yes, they had been an incredible _ her? yes, they had been an incredible radio _ her? yes, they had been an incredible radio play - her? yes, they had been an incredible radio play that i her? yes, they had been an incredible radio play that a l her? yes, they had been an i incredible radio play that a lot of people than a third called black roses, which was poems, cycle of poems by simon armitage, the poet laureate now, that where through the mouth of sophie, so it was spliced with interviews with sylvia herself. that was on the radio and they decided to put that on stage. and sylvia herself wanted me to play here because we are both lancashire mothers from very similar parts of the world. it mothers from very similar parts of the world. , �* , , ., the world. it must've been strange -la in: the the world. it must've been strange playing the part _ the world. it must've been strange playing the part of _ the world. it must've been strange playing the part of someone i the world. it must've been strange playing the part of someone you i the world. it must've been strange i playing the part of someone you knew so well? , �* ~' ., playing the part of someone you knew so well? , �* ~ ., ., so well? yes, i didn't know sylvia so well? yes, i didn't know sylvia so well? yes, i didn't know sylvia so well then. _ so well? yes, i didn't know sylvia so well then, but _ so well? yes, i didn't know sylvia so well then, but it _ so well? yes, i didn't know sylvia so well then, but it was _ so well? yes, i didn't know sylvia so well then, but it was an i so well then, but it was an incredible experience. it's an overused word, i know, but it was a complete privilege to do it. we took it on tour. and then we did a bbc film of it, as well. of course, all of it is to carry on sophie's legacy and the work of the foundation and everything that it was about and anything we could do to help that. julie, we've had occasion here many times on the bbc breakfast sofa are speaking to parents who have lost children tragically in lots of different circumstances. i never cease to be amazed about how they carry on. and how often they will do something, as sylvia did, to help themselves to a degree, but to do something positive after something something positive after something so bad. i guess now, sylvie has gone, you must reflect on that more and more? . gone, you must reflect on that more and more?— gone, you must reflect on that more and more? yeah, absolutely. sophie was 20 when — and more? yeah, absolutely. sophie was 20 when she _ and more? yeah, absolutely. sophie was 20 when she was _ and more? yeah, absolutely. sophie was 20 when she was murdered. i and more? yeah, absolutely. sophie was 20 when she was murdered. my| was 20 when she was murdered. my eldest daughter is 20 and that has resonance for me as it does to all parents, to anyone actually. like you, charlie, ifeel like if anything happened like that to me i'd just curl up anything happened like that to me i'djust curl up in anything happened like that to me i'd just curl up in a ball and the fact that very quickly after it happened as well she set up this foundation is so determined to make a difference and to change the way people think about alternative people. sylvia, apart from being a really ordinary lancashire mum in lots of ways, was an extraordinary person, never more at home than with the alternative community, which she is served through the foundation. she loved the punks, goths, going to rebellion, goth weekend at whitby, she was really at home and sort out alternative people and she wanted to spread education. from a very young age for top she went into primary school saying just because people look different does nothing to fear. we don't have to just tolerate different but celebrated. i we don't have to just tolerate different but celebrated. i was 'ust auoin to different but celebrated. i was 'ust going to say — different but celebrated. i was 'ust going to say the i different but celebrated. i was 'ust going to say the foundation i different but celebrated. i was 'ust going to say the foundation is i going to say the foundation is genuinely making a difference, isn't it? it still gets hundreds of calls from people looking for support and help. from people looking for support and hel. , from people looking for support and hel _ , , a, , from people looking for support and hel. , , c,�* from people looking for support and hel. , help. yes, people don't realise actually the — help. yes, people don't realise actually the amount _ help. yes, people don't realise actually the amount of - help. yes, people don't realise actually the amount of abuse l actually the amount of abuse alternative people receive and of course sylvia was successful in getting alternative people on to the hate crime list. it wasn't recognised as a hate crime before sophie's case, but the educational work she has done is well talking to people and making people feel less afraid of difference, and the foundation is still really, really committed to carrying on that work. stamping out prejudice, hatred, intolerance everywhere. that's the motto of the foundation. of course, this is a wobbly moment for everyone involved in the foundation because we have lost our figurehead and she was someone so charismatic in such an amazing speaker, but we will reconfigure and find a way because there's been 15 years of momentum now than 15 years of really excellent work with police forces, talking to the government, talking in schools, and we want to carry on that work because now more than ever it feels so important in these very divided and divisive times, where we are pitted against each other. in a are pitted against each other. in a wa , the are pitted against each other. in a way. the bigger— are pitted against each other. in a way, the bigger question about whether you think things have got any better, clearly you are talking about the practical work which has been done, trying to change people's mindsets and helping those who have been hurt. do you think things have got any better?— got any better? that's a really difficult question _ got any better? that's a really difficult question to _ got any better? that's a really difficult question to answer i got any better? that's a really - difficult question to answer because i think, on one hand, no, it hasn't in that a lot of people are still getting abuse and hate crime is still rife in all different communities, gay communities, disability communities, alternative communities, of course racism, i think we live in a culture where we are very much pitted against each other now and encouraged to take a binary view against another group. that's very prevalent on social media and in wider culture. but, at the same time, i have got a lot of faith in the next generation and i don't want to put too much pressure on that next generation. i feel like everything is on them, climate change and everything, but i feel there is, amongst my daughter's generation, certainly an understanding of difference and a celebration of that and a real dry to make the world a better place and i feel very heartened and hopeful about that. i feel very heartened and hopeful about that-— i feel very heartened and hopeful about that. ~ ., ., about that. what about the campaign itself? you've — about that. what about the campaign itself? you've obviously _ about that. what about the campaign itself? you've obviously lost - about that. what about the campaign itself? you've obviously lost your - itself? you've obviously lost your figurehead, a friend, but how is it working in practice? the work carries on?— working in practice? the work carries on? , , ., , carries on? yes, everyone is really committed — carries on? yes, everyone is really committed to _ carries on? yes, everyone is really committed to do _ carries on? yes, everyone is really committed to do that. _ carries on? yes, everyone is really committed to do that. i _ carries on? yes, everyone is really committed to do that. i think - carries on? yes, everyone is really| committed to do that. i think sylvia would want us to use this moment to reflect on the work of the foundation for the last 15 years since sophie was murdered and to see how we can move forward now and obviously this is getting the foundation back on the news again, backin foundation back on the news again, back in people's consciousness and we want people to engage with it again and do what they can to spread this message filtered that's what sylvia would want. it’s this message filtered that's what sylvia would want.— this message filtered that's what sylvia would want. it's not the most im ortant sylvia would want. it's not the most important issue _ sylvia would want. it's not the most important issue but _ sylvia would want. it's not the most important issue but has _ sylvia would want. it's not the most important issue but has it _ sylvia would want. it's not the most important issue but has it made - sylvia would want. it's not the mostj important issue but has it made you think more hard about the roles you take, the work you do? in terms of everything? does it affect everything? does it affect everything you do?- everything? does it affect everything you do? yeah, it is a life changing — everything you do? yeah, it is a life changing moment _ everything you do? yeah, it is a life changing moment for - everything you do? yeah, it is a life changing moment for me i everything you do? yeah, it is a - life changing moment for me playing sylvia because i was in coronation street at the time and i was very happy there and wanted to stay there for the rest of my life, absolutely no questions asked, and it was doing that, playing sylvia, really feeling the difference in telling that story is making to people, it made me think maybe they were other stories i wanted to tell. and it really sort of shifted something in me in terms of shifted something in me in terms of feeling that, hayley in coronation street change things in a positive way is welcome and i felt very lucky to pay that part, but that wasn't the end of the story for me. i could also be a conduit i suppose for other stories as well. it was a massive honour to play sylvia. it was a massive honour to play s lvia., ., ~ it was a massive honour to play s lvia. ., ~ ., ~' sylvia. julie, thank you. the work ofthe sylvia. julie, thank you. the work of the foundation _ sylvia. julie, thank you. the work of the foundation continued - sylvia. julie, thank you. the work of the foundation continued but i sylvia. julie, thank you. the work i of the foundation continued but lets not forget this private grief as well for the friends and family of sylvia who loved her so our thoughts are very much with them at the moment. thank you. the headlines coming up in a moment. good morning welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and rachel burden. our headlines today: russia's most powerful warship in the black sea has sunk, as large explosions are heard in the ukrainian capital kyiv. a controversial scheme to send some asylum seekers from the uk to rwanda could be up and running in a matter of weeks according to the government, despite the threat of legal action. a former british national faces life in prison after he was convicted of being part of an islamic state group responsible for the killing of american and british hostages in syria. preparing for the first easter holidays in three years without covid restrictions. more than 7 million of us are planning a domestic break over the weekend and bookings at camping and and sites like this are up by more than a third. iwill like this are up by more than a third. i will be speaking to some very happy campers. the easter weekend is looking fine and dry for many others. we could see temperatures today over 20 degrees. i will have all the details coming up shortly. it's friday the 15th of april. our top story. explosions have been heard overnight in ukrainian cities, including the capital kyiv — just hours after russia's most powerful warship in the black sea was sunk. ukraine claims it struck the ship with missiles but russia continues to insist the sinking was caused by an accidental explosion coupled with rough seas. 0ur correspondent danjohnson is in the western city of lviv. do is in the western city of lviv. you want to take us ti we do you want to take us through what we know about the sinking? yes. we know about the sinking? yes, indeed. ukraine _ we know about the sinking? yes, indeed. ukraine says _ we know about the sinking? yes, indeed. ukraine says this - we know about the sinking? use: indeed. ukraine says this is a major military victory that was achieved with their own firepower, with ukrainian missiles hitting the moskva yesterday. russia hasn't confirmed that, it says there was only a fire and explosion on board the ship. some of the ship's own ammunition exploding which caused damage to the ship and the crew had to abandon it. over 500 sailors were rescued. it was being towed into port, the russians say for some repairs or assessment when it sank in rough weather. to some degree it doesn't matter whether we get the full story or not, it is a major propaganda victory for the ukrainians. the fact the flagship of russia's black sea fleet now sits at the bottom of the black sea and is unable to take part in the conflict. that shift had become a symbol of ukrainian resistance, because of the way it was told to go away by ukrainian soldiers when it first approached snake island, ukrainian outcrop in the black sea at the start the invasion. it is an image that has appeared on posters, billboards and postage stamps in ukraine. the fact that ship is out of action and at the bottom of the sea will be an embarrassment for russia and is already being seen as a major victory for ukraine. what russia and is already being seen as a major victory for ukraine. a ma'or victory for ukraine. what do we a major victory for ukraine. what do we know about _ a major victory for ukraine. what do we know about these _ a major victory for ukraine. what do we know about these explosions - a major victory for ukraine. what do i we know about these explosions heard around the capital city? we understand it is not directly close to the centre, but they have been heard nearby?— to the centre, but they have been heard nearby? yes, there have been fears the fact _ heard nearby? yes, there have been fears the fact that _ heard nearby? yes, there have been fears the fact that ship _ heard nearby? yes, there have been fears the fact that ship was - heard nearby? yes, there have been fears the fact that ship was out - heard nearby? yes, there have been fears the fact that ship was out of i fears the fact that ship was out of action may mean we saw retaliatory attacks from the russians. whether this is a sign of that, we are not sure. but there were reports of a handful of explosions to the south—west of kyiv last night. we are not sure of the level of damage they have done, but her son in the south had renewed attacks and there were air raid sirens and warnings in a number of ukrainian cities last night. —— kherson. even in lviv, where it has been quiet for the last few evenings. people are still on edgein few evenings. people are still on edge in this country and the east the fighting is still intense in places with more civilian lives being lost. president zelensky addressed his people last night, as he has done 50 times since the start of this invasion and he said the fact that ukrainian defence had held up fact that ukrainian defence had held up for this long was a major achievement, something millions of ukrainians could be proud of playing a part in. ukrainians could be proud of playing a art in. ., ~ i. ukrainians could be proud of playing a art in. ., ~' , ukrainians could be proud of playing aartin. ., , . the prime minister wants to see the first migrants flown to rwanda in the next six weeks, as part of controversial plans to tackle small boat crossings in the channel. thousands of asylum seekers could be sent to east africa within the next five years — but the government has already conceeded it will face a legal challenge in the courts. we're joined now by our political correspondentjonathan blake. with this legal challenge pending potentially, the government saying they want to do it within weeks, are we going to see the first asylum seekers being removed, being sent to rimando within the next couple of months? ., , rimando within the next couple of months? . , ., �* , months? that is the government's intention and _ months? that is the government's intention and it _ months? that is the government's intention and it does _ months? that is the government's intention and it does sound - months? that is the government's intention and it does sound like i months? that is the government's intention and it does sound like an ambitious aim to have the scheme up and running within weeks, if not months. ministers believe they need to have something to show for it after the plan was announced with much fanfare yesterday with the prime minister here and the home secretary, priti patel, in rwanda. despite the criticism the plan is logistically too difficult, never mind the miracle and practical objections people have and the cost, there is a determination to see this through. it comes from the fact that it is embarrassing to have hundreds of people arriving day after day on the south coast of england, having made the dangerous and difficult journey across the english channel, attempting to get to the uk. and not having been able to do anything meaningful about it. that is why they have come up with this plan and seem determined to push it through. there are still questions, if not about the timeline, then the cost. the minister for illegal migration, who has been speaking in the last hour, gave a bit more detail about the initial money that the government will be giving to rwanda and the ongoing costs it expected to have to meet as well. £125} and the ongoing costs it expected to have to meet as well.— have to meet as well. £120 million is to establish _ have to meet as well. £120 million is to establish this _ have to meet as well. £120 million is to establish this economic- is to establish this economic development partnership in the first place _ development partnership in the first place. then, of course, as we move forward _ place. then, of course, as we move forward and — place. then, of course, as we move forward and people are relocated to rwanda, _ forward and people are relocated to rwanda, we will continue to make contributions that will mean that partnership is able to develop over a period _ partnership is able to develop over a period ahead of us. they also consistent— a period ahead of us. they also consistent with the sums of money we're _ consistent with the sums of money we're spending with dealing with this issue — we're spending with dealing with this issue currently in this country _ this issue currently in this country. but that should help to ensure — country. but that should help to ensure that in the fullness of time, we are _ ensure that in the fullness of time, we are able — ensure that in the fullness of time, we are able to reduce some of those costs _ we are able to reduce some of those costs we _ we are able to reduce some of those costs. we have to get this under control— costs. we have to get this under control because it is unacceptable and unsustainable.— and unsustainable. there is some criticism of _ and unsustainable. there is some criticism of this _ and unsustainable. there is some criticism of this plan _ and unsustainable. there is some criticism of this plan coming - and unsustainable. there is some criticism of this plan coming from| criticism of this plan coming from boris johnson's own criticism of this plan coming from borisjohnson's own party. andrew mitchell has said this morning it is impractical, immoraland mitchell has said this morning it is impractical, immoral and above all incredibly expensive. his is not the majority view, though. conservative mps i heard from yesterday were pretty positive about this plan and looking forward to talking to voters about it. attempting to sound tough on immigration are safe territory for the conservatives and this is an area where they believe they have a policy which will be attractive to a lot of voters. policy which will be attractive to a lot of voters-— lot of voters. jonathan, thank you very much- _ a member of the so—called islamic state group — who was raised in london — is likely to spend the rest of his life in jail after he was convicted in the us of taking part in the abduction, torture and beheading of several western hostages. el shafee elsheikh, who is now 33, was part of a group nicknamed "the beatles" by their captives, because all four had british accents. they have been accused of the brutal killings of a number ofjournalists and aid workers including britons alan henning and david haines. david haines' brother, mike, has been speaking about the impact his death has had on theirfamily. david was my little brother. hejust had this charisma around him. he was a bubbly person. he drew people in. when david started talking with refugees, he changed. we saw for the first time a sense of purpose, he'd found his calling. having to tell my mum, our mum, our parents, ourfamily, that he had been taken... ijust couldn't imagine anything worse. we firmly believed that once isis knew that they had british and american hostages, they were dead men walking. itjust took them 18 months of hell. 13th september was a beautiful day. we'd filled it full of family love and laughter and hope... ..hope my brother would come home safe. my phone began to ring. it was three minutes past 11 at night. and there was a blackness inside of me. because i knew it was the call that i'd been dreading since day one. it was my team leader here in london telling me that david was no longer with us. and i gathered my family together, i took my mum's hand... ttold her her son couldn't be hurt anymore. that was truly the worst night of my life. terrorists, with any attack, are looking to spread hatred. their actions of murdering my brother were about hate. and if i hate, they win. they hold a big part of my life because i have hate for them, so i will not give them hate. that was mike haines speaking about his brother david, who was killed at the hands of the so—called islamic state group. it's set to be a busy bank holiday weekend for travel as millions of people take their first easter break — without covid restrictions in three years. geeta pendse is at manchester airport, which has seen huge queues in recent weeks. what's the situation like this morning geeta? good morning. we have seen plenty of flights taking off and landing here on what is expected to be the busiest day of travel over the easter bank holiday. as you mentioned at manchester airport, we have seen long queues and some passengers previously perhaps missing their flight. today, passengers previously perhaps missing theirflight. today, as passengers previously perhaps missing their flight. today, as we understand that things are going well. let me give you a sense of the scale of travel across the easter bank holidays. when it comes to flights, it is expected that 9200 flights, it is expected that 9200 flights will be departing across airports, across the uk. if you are planning onjumping in the car, you are not going to be on your own, perhaps it is for a day trip or a staycation. the rac estimates we will make it 21.5 million leisure carjourneys over the next four days. if you are planning a train journey somewhere, please do check ahead because network rail say there are 530 engineering projects that will be in place across the long weekend and that will include work on line such as the west coast main line and euston train station will be closed which could cause disruption. the general advice is to check ahead and leave as much time as you can for yourjourney and hopefully you will get to where you need to be and you can enjoy it. thank you very much. brain cancer kills more people under a0 in the uk than any other type of cancer. this was highlighted recently by the death of the pop star tom parker, who was in the wanted, at the age ofjust 33. but there is hope that a new approach could lead to a more accurate diagnosis and eventually more personalised treatments. our medical editor fergus walsh can explain more. a warning, his report contains footage of brain surgery. i've got a rough idea of what's going to happen. i'm going to be partially awake, but i'm going to be woken up during the surgery. daniel is just 34. he's on his way to theatre for brain surgery. i think that's the most scared about is being awake and having someone rooting around in my head. daniel has a large brain tumour, the round white area at the top of this scan. yeah, that's good. to begin with, daniel is fully anesthetized while surgeons remove part of his skull. but once his brain is exposed, he's woken up and must be kept awake. daniel, how are you feeling? actually, we just need to be a bit careful at the back because that's close to where the part of your brain that moves the right hand side of your body. before removing each piece of tumour surgeons need to be sure it won't affect daniel's speech or his ability to move his body. so at each step, the team checks his responses. part of daniel's tumor will be sent for whole genome sequencing. its entire dna will be mapped. what that means is essentially we're looking at the abnormalities in the genes that we think caused the tumor in the first place. so we're really able to drill down into the molecular problems in the tumor. daniel's diagnosis, his future rests on what they find in these tubes. dna sequencing used to take months. now it can be done in days. at these labs near cambridge of us biotech illumina. not only does it speed up diagnosis, but reveals what is driving the growth of a patient�*s cancer. nothing can prepare a patient. or a family for the nuclear bomb that detonates at the center of your world i when you receive a diagnosis. jess lost her mother, tessa jowell, to brain cancer in 2018. the former labour cabinet minister spent her last months campaigning for more funding and research into the condition. the brain cancer is the biggest- cancer killer of children and people under 40 in the uk, yet treatment. options have not changed in decades. because this is low grade... just two weeks after surgery, daniel returns to addenbrooke's with his brother to receive his results. this is a diagnosis that is treatable, but it's not a curable condition. ok, so this is something that will be life limiting. about 50% of people survive for 15 years or more. but i think it's important that you understand this isn't something that's going to go away. wow. i don't know what to say. sure. a few weeks later ijoined daniel to watch his local football team. the quality of finishing is shocking. he used to play in goal. now he gives advice from the touchline. life is very short, so i want to make the most of it. i just want to get the treatment i can to prolong my life. like six weeks of radiotherapy, five days a week. more than 200 brain tumour patients are taking part in the research, with the hope it may eventually yield new personalized treatments which improve outcomes. fergus walsh, bbc news, cambridge. the former labour cabinet minister dame tessa jowell died of brain cancer four years ago. her daughterjess mills joins us now from norfolk. you were in that piece has well and you know only too well what the family is going through at the moment. you mentioned the treatment for brain cancer, tumours like this has really not in any way developed particularly over the last 20, 30 years? particularly over the last 20, 30 ears? ., . , �* particularly over the last 20, 30 ears? ., ., , �* , ., years? no, it hasn't. itell you what, nothing _ years? no, it hasn't. itell you what, nothing can _ years? no, it hasn't. itell you what, nothing can prepare - years? no, it hasn't. itellyouj what, nothing can prepare you years? no, it hasn't. itellyou- what, nothing can prepare you for how devastating and quite cruel that fact is until you are sitting in that consulting room and understanding what that means for you and them and their lives. your mum, he you and them and their lives. your mum. he was _ you and them and their lives. your mum, he was taken _ you and them and their lives. your mum, he was taken far _ you and them and their lives. your mum, he was taken far too - you and them and their lives. your mum, he was taken far too soon for yourfamily, i understand that but she was a much older victim of this terrible cancer than it affects most people, much younger people it can impact? it people, much younger people it can im act? , ,. ., impact? it is indiscriminate, reall . impact? it is indiscriminate, really- it _ impact? it is indiscriminate, really- it is _ impact? it is indiscriminate, really. it is cruel— impact? it is indiscriminate, really. it is cruel and - really. it is cruel and indiscriminate, but certainly it is still the biggest cancer killer of children and people under a0. which for me, my goodness, i meet patients and families all the time and so often the patient is right in the prime of their youth, young families are young people just starting out in their life, teenagers. it isjust unspeakably cruel and everything we are doing, very exciting with the potential this programme now opens up potential this programme now opens up to change the course of this disease for the future. precision medicine is the place in time whereby diseases like this and where complex cancers will be taken from being terminal, incurable to being treatable and curable in time. it won't happen right away but it does open the path to a brighter future. tell us more about this precision medicine, what difference can it make? it medicine, what difference can it make? , ,. , ., make? it will help if i describe to ou, the make? it will help if i describe to you. the two _ make? it will help if i describe to you, the two routes. _ make? it will help if i describe to you, the two routes. if— make? it will help if i describe to you, the two routes. if you - make? it will help if i describe to you, the two routes. if you are i you, the two routes. if you are offered the standard care, you are told you can have surgery if you are lucky, if the tumour is operable, very often they are not. radiotherapy and then one chemotherapy. my mum was of the band of patients for whom it was known early on she was not going to respond to the chemotherapy because for various reasons, so all she could hope on was surgery and radiotherapy. if we had had this programme when my mum was alive, her tumour would have been genetically sequenced and they would have had a very detailed look at the cancer seen all the different drivers that were there and maybe identify drugs that were not currently indicated for brain cancer, but for a different type of cancer, but thought to have had a good scientific rationale for treating her. instead of having essentially no option is offered, we may have had a number. maybe they wouldn't have saved her life, but they may have saved her life, but they may have given her time and they also would have done this important thing, which is to give families hope. because hope is the thing that makes the unbearable bearable. and day by day, when you are basically handed a terminal diagnosis, hope is what enables you to live and to live well for as long as you have. initially it is being rolled out for patients in cambridge are, cambridge but it is the hope it will be accessible to many more patients across the uk?— accessible to many more patients across the uk? absolutely. imagine if m across the uk? absolutely. imagine ifm mum across the uk? absolutely. imagine if my mum would _ across the uk? absolutely. imagine if my mum would say _ across the uk? absolutely. imagine if my mum would say if _ across the uk? absolutely. imagine if my mum would say if he - across the uk? absolutely. imagine if my mum would say if he said - across the uk? absolutely. imagine if my mum would say if he said thatj if my mum would say if he said that to her? she would say, absolutely, it it will be. i am saying, absolutely, it will be. hopefully this programme will be taken to every corner of the country. it needs to get running excellently in this one location first to understand the challenges, really understand the challenges, really understand all the things that could enable it to scale. we have just launched the tessa jowell academy which includes every nhs hospital in the country, every nhs brain centre in the country so i promise you, we will take it around the country. it may take some time, but our goal is every patient will be able to receive world—class treatment and care in their local hospital. i can care in their local hospital. i can hear your— care in their local hospital. i can hear your passion _ care in their local hospital. i can hear your passion and _ care in their local hospital. i can hear your passion and commitment to it. you were a full—time carer for your mum when she was unwell and it does seem like you are very much devoting now, your life to her legacy? is that what it is, is that what it means to you? can you hear us?- looks — what it means to you? can you hear us?- looks like _ what it means to you? can you hear us?- looks like there - what it means to you? can you hear us?- looks like there is - what it means to you? can you hear| us?- looks like there is some us? hello? looks like there is some kind of audio — us? hello? looks like there is some kind of audio problem, _ us? hello? looks like there is some kind of audio problem, but - us? hello? looks like there is some kind of audio problem, but we - us? hello? looks like there is some kind of audio problem, but we are i kind of audio problem, but we are very grateful to have spoken tojess mills, daughter of tessa jowell. very inspiring story from assad family situation. the point is, pioneering work is being done finally and i know a lot of brain cancer patients would say, looking in developing the treatment for those kinds of brain tumours, so thanks. going through one or two things that are coming up. bend it like beckham, you will remember the film, it is its 20 years anniversary. later on a lot of people will have enjoyed it for fun, but for some people, particularly young girls watching who like playing football, it turned into a real inspiration and lead some into professional careers. it is a real impact so we'll be talking to the director later on. millie, who is now a blackburn rovers player, watch the film and thought, i will make a career out of it. we'll be talking about that later on and we are keeping you up to speed with the easter travel details of the weekend, because they are all kinds of issues on the roads, rail and as well. morning live follows us on bbc one. let's find out what's in store with gethin and joanna. good morning. joanna, hello. is gethin being nice too, is this they want to you? he gethin being nice too, is this they want to you?— want to you? he is being very pleasant. _ want to you? he is being very pleasant, perfect _ want to you? he is being very pleasant, perfect gentleman, j pleasant, perfect gentleman, fantastic. i pleasant, perfect gentleman, fantastic. ., �* ~ ., ., pleasant, perfect gentleman, fantastic. ~ ., ., ., fantastic. i don't know what charlie is suggesting. _ fantastic. i don't know what charlie is suggesting. l _ fantastic. i don't know what charlie is suggesting, i am _ fantastic. i don't know what charlie is suggesting, i am always - fantastic. i don't know what charlie is suggesting, i am always lovely. l coming up on morning live — nearly half of us are now more worried about our energy bills than catching covid. yes, the rising cost of living means everyone is looking for a deal, but some are too good to be true. rav wilding is here with a warning about a brand—new pre—payment energy scam. that's right, criminals are targeting hard—up households promising to top—up their meters for a cut price fee. i'll be telling you how to spot the scams that could leave you paying twice. it's looking like a sunny bank holiday is on the cards. but if you're one of the five and a half million in the uk who suffers from asthma, you'll know that as the weather warms up, symptoms get worse, and they can even be life—threatening. dr punam is here to help. every ten seconds someone has a potentially fatal attack. - i'll explain what to do if itj happens to you or a loved one and why many people are using their— inhalers incorrectly. plus, it's good friday, and of course we couldn't have easter without eggs — but it's notjust chocolate ones we're talking about today. anna ha is here with a perfect poaching masterclass. yes, i'll explain why you don't need any fancy gadgets, but super fresh eggs are the secret. and from easter eggs to easter walks. we're getting some fresh air and stunning countryside views of scotland and the north east. jill halfpenny tells us about herjourney to uncover the origins of our easter traditions. plus, double trouble — nancy and rhys are reunited for strictly fitness. see you at 9:15. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london and welcome to viewers in norfolk, suffolk and essex too. i'm tolu adeoye. motoring groups say this weekend could be the busiest on the regions roads for years. today is expected to see the most traffic of the bank holiday weekend. with good weather expected to add to the numbers on the roads. the strategic road networks, so the motorways, the major a—roads are likely to be busier, particularly going into tourist hotspots, all people heading to the coast. airports are also expecting to be extremely busy. 300,000 people will travel through stansted airport alone. only about 8,000 went through the airport this time last year when the restrictions were still in place. and on the trains — euston station is closed all weekend. it's for essential upgrades to the west coast mainline meaning there won't be any direct trains on the line. services will start and finish at milton keynes. away from travel, and covid vaccination sites will be open from today in the east to get more people jabbed over the holidays. centres across cambridgeshire, peterborough, norfolk and waveney will offer spring boosters for over 75s, and those who are are severely immuno—suppressed. now a head nurse at st george's hospital in tooting, who's also a massive michael buble fan, has had her dreams come true by meeting the singer over zoom. it was part of bbc radio london's �*make a difference' campaign, celebrating pandemic heroes. the night before, i wasjust singing his songs in my head, just going over and over all of his songs. i was like which one is he going to sing to me? and all i kept thinking was ijust want to see michael. now let's take a look at the tubes ths morning. as you can see, lots of issues there with planned closures for work. so the best bet is to check your route before you travel. onto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini hello. good morning. well it's looking like a very decent bank holiday weekend if weather ahead with high pressure largely dominant out towards the east at the moment. then it should stay dry. there will be plenty of sunshine around for much of the time and temperatures will be above average too for this time of year. the warmest day will be today. those temperatures are set to dip by the time we get to bank holiday monday but again it is looking dry. so this morning we're starting off with most of our temperatures in high single figures of course it is mild, it's frost free. but there is a bit of mist and murk out there. that will lift quite readily as we head through the morning. lots of sunshine for the first half of the day with cloud bubbling up as we head through the afternoon. could be one or two isolated showers but you'd be very unlucky to catch one for the vast majority of us. completely dry and temperatures are likely to be around 21, even 22 celsius. out towards western spots the winds stay light. through this evening and overnight, we do the whole thing all over again. perhaps a bit more cloud into tomorrow morning. again, a mild start to saturday but is merely mist around. a bit more cloud tomorrow. temperatures won't be quite so high but still some decent spells of sunshine. for weather details for the east do check the bbc weather website. i'm back with the another update in half an hour. now though it's back to charlie and rachel. bye for now. hello. this is breakfast with charlie stayt and rachel burden. our top story this morning. explosions have been heard overnight in ukrainian cities, including the capital, kyiv. that's where president volodymyr zelensky has been based since the invasion began, in a secret location. clive myrie went to meet him. pleasure to meet you. i'm very well. good to see you. for the entirety of the war, volodymyr zelensky has called this heavily fortified building home in the centre of kyiv. how difficult has it been for you to be here throughout this without your family? it’s be here throughout this without your famil ? �* , , be here throughout this without your famil ? v , be here throughout this without your famil ? �*, , ., ., be here throughout this without your famil? �*, , ., ., ., family? it's my 'ob. i have to do it. it is difficult — family? it's my job. i have to do it. it is difficult without - family? it's my job. i have to do it. it is difficult without family. i it. it is difficult without family. to be anywhere. his wife and children are safe at an undisclosed location. his children are safe at an undisclosed location. , ., , location. his companions here, heavily armed _ location. his companions here, heavily armed troops, - location. his companions here, | heavily armed troops, sandbags location. his companions here, - heavily armed troops, sandbags and mines. there was no light at all? at the start of the war, they walked around in the darkness. afraid of russian shelling. it is around in the darkness. afraid of russian shelling.— around in the darkness. afraid of russian shelling. it is our country. it's auoin russian shelling. it is our country. it's going through _ russian shelling. it is our country. it's going through the _ russian shelling. it is our country. it's going through the darkness . russian shelling. it is our country. it's going through the darkness to | it's going through the darkness to do the victory, i hope so. haifa it's going through the darkness to do the victory, i hope so.- do the victory, i hope so. how do ou sit do the victory, i hope so. how do you sit across _ do the victory, i hope so. how do you sit across the _ do the victory, i hope so. how do you sit across the table _ do the victory, i hope so. how do you sit across the table to - do the victory, i hope so. how do you sit across the table to try - do the victory, i hope so. how do you sit across the table to try to l you sit across the table to try to stop the war? how do you do that? the first two years of my presidential tour, the first two years of my presidentialtour, i the first two years of my presidential tour, i did all i could to have meetings with them. to have negotiations with them. to stop the war with them. putin is in this process, closing these possibilities. bucha, mariupol,, it's not about me. it's more about russia. they will not have so many chances. in the long period to speak with us. clive myrie joins us now from kyiv. it's a fascinating interview you have done with president zelensky. what were your impressions of him as a man? ,., ., what were your impressions of him as a man? , ., very affable. very charming. remember, he was a comedian and an actor and he knows how to work a camera, as it were. but he looked knackered, frankly, when i first greeted him. he came down the stairs and i shook his hand. he looks tired. he looked emotionally drained. and that came through in the interview. he tried to give the impression certainly that interaction with a text message from emmanuel macron, suggested the lighter probably more dominant side of his nature, personable and warm. but as the interview went on and we talked about, and he this in mentioned the clip you just played, those areas to the north—west behind me, bucha, those areas where he visited, he saw body bags in the streets, he saw the devastation russian shelling has brought to those areas over the last few weeks. he crumbled. in front of me. you could see the physical and emotional toll that in dealing with all that has had on him. i think there were a lot of people in this country who were sceptical, frankly, he was up to the task. as i say, he's a comedian and an actor, that's what he was in another life. was he going to be able to handle the toughest crisis in this country's history certainly since the second world war? and also shoulder the burden of potentially the maintenance of liberal democracy in eastern europe? and i think the general consensus is he has written to that challenge and i suspect that vladimir putin, the kremlin, moscow, did not think that was going to be the case and i think it's interesting there, in that clip, he said the window of opportunity for negotiations is tightening. there is no way he would have said that 50 days ago because there is a real sense, and the pentagon and westminster, and number ten, believe that this country could potentially actually win. and that is why he is in a much more bullish mood when it comes to discussing potential future negotiations. clive, the moment you described him for us, we didn't show to our viewers here, you are having a chat with him, and a text message goes. just explain. this is emmanuel macron sending a text. you are just witnessing this. this happens to take place while you are there, but the other thing i would like if you would tie in for us, it is obvious during the interview, his frustration notwithstanding the fact he has an extraordinarily well communicated with the international community, he still has huge frustrations about what people are actually doing. filth. frustrations about what people are actually doing-— actually doing. oh, yeah, i mean, massively- _ actually doing. oh, yeah, i mean, massively. let's _ actually doing. oh, yeah, i mean, massively. let's deal— actually doing. oh, yeah, i mean, massively. let's deal with - actually doing. oh, yeah, i mean, massively. let's deal with that. massively. let's deal with that point first. the european union, several countries within europe i should say, are and have, since this war began 51 days ago, been sending billions and billions of dollars to the russian treasury. for payment of oil and gas revenues. europe itself has sent about $1 billion in military assistance. those figures are out of whack, particularly for the united kingdom, the united states, and other countries in europe who believe that sending weaponry to the forces here is what is needed to win this war. and yet, that money that is going from countries like germany and italy for oil and gas is being used to buy weaponry potentially to bomb this place. so it is a weird situation that he pointed to. he said, frankly, it is blood money, you know. and he warned people like angela merkel, several years ago, that a war could result and therefore the reliance of certain european countries needing to be cut on russian oil and gas. so this obvious frustration therefore is in any way, we walk into the situation room, it said situation room on the brass plaque, as we go in, and one of his aides has president zelensky�*s phone and he said, mr president, you have got a message. volodymyr zelensky just said, immanuel? and my ears picked up and immanuel? and my ears picked up and i said emmanuel macron? immanuel? and my ears picked up and isaid emmanuel macron? he immanuel? and my ears picked up and i said emmanuel macron? he said, yeah. ijust happened to peer over and i saw the code for france, 331, paris, and he said, yes, he calls me all the time. do you mind if i take this call? i'm like, yeah, i think it's ok if you take the caller. i think our interview can wait a couple of minutes. but that showed the affable nature of him. the lighter side of him, which is absolutely there. but of course, that has been squashed, subsumed by the problems he is having to deal with win this war in his country. clive, we are looking at you in a beautiful capital city at the moment but we also know that there have been more explosions in kyiv overnight, and also we have had a notice from the russian defence ministry that they are going to be intensifying their attacks on facilities in kyiv in particular, they say in response to ukrainian forces committing sabotage on russian territory. whether that is related to the russian ship that went down, or whether this was always going to part of the strategy, who knows? is there a sense that things are going to intensify their in particular? meiji intensify their in particular? well the are intensify their in particular? well they are certainly _ intensify their in particular? -ii they are certainly intensifying in they are certainly intensifying in the east, no question about that, and that is the main battlefront at the moment. those russian forces that were here in the northern suburbs three or four weeks ago has pulled out and refocusing their efforts in the eastern area. i asked the president yesterday in our interview specifically about the moskva and whether ukraine had targeted the black sea fleet and targeted the black sea fleet and targeted at that flag carrier and he said, well, i don't care what happens to the russians. ijust care about my people. but it is curious that perhaps moscow might come out now say anything is up for grabs. we could target anything as a result of the sinking of that ship. it's hard to think that one side in a war would try and argue that certain things are off limits, and i think it might be quite difficult to put that point of view to the leader of a country that has seen something like, i don't know, 10 million people displaced, a.5 million people becoming refugees, hundreds of people massacred, tortured, beaten, killed in his own country. it's an argument i don't think will fly. clive, i'm always fascinated when we talk to correspondence, by looking behind, no offence, ordinary life, to see cars going by, and what life is like for those people particularly in kyiv. how normal are things relative to what they might otherwise be?— otherwise be? yeah, it's really o-ened otherwise be? yeah, it's really opened up _ otherwise be? yeah, it's really opened up here. _ otherwise be? yeah, it's really opened up here. i _ otherwise be? yeah, it's really opened up here. i mean, - otherwise be? yeah, it's really opened up here. i mean, first| otherwise be? yeah, it's really. opened up here. i mean, first of all, charlie, i'm standing here. i'm on a rooftop. i wasn't doing that towards the end of the last stint here at the beginning of the war. it was too dangerous and we were broadcasting from the basement. so things have absolutely opened up. talking to the chief of staff yesterday, he talked to me about the difference between now and three weeks ago. he was talking about the sense of dread that there was within the situation room and within the president's team, that sense that the russians could be in the city within four or five days. we all expected it. the bbc team is here, preparing for how we were going to deal with russian soldiers walking around and perhaps talking to us, and perhaps kicking us out of the country. we were trying to make our own plans about how we were going to deal with that. but we were seeing puffs of smoke in the distance, the air raid sirens going, you could hear the shelling and that was in those northern districts behind me. bucha was where the battle is taking place and we were actually watching it from here. the last couple of weeks we've been able to go in there, our correspondence, jeremy bowen, orla guerin, they've been able to go in and see the devastation which has been caused and it's because of the failure of the russian forces in those areas and their decision to now move to the east that things have opened up here. i think a lot of people are still worried of course naturally. there is all foreign troops on their soil. they may not be in the north, but they are still in this country. so life is slowly beginning to return back to normal here but i'm looking at one of the main roads just down the street there and there is a few cars, but it's still pretty empty. restaurants are opening up, bars and so on, life is slowly returning. but there is always that threat of an attack and there is always that threat of a cruise missile being fired from miles away in belarus or russia landing here. as a result, i think it's going to take time for this place to settle down and return to some kind of normality. down and return to some kind of normality-— you can watch clive myrie's full interview with the ukrainian president on the bbc news channel this saturday at 5.30pm and on iplayer shortly afterwards. the first easter weekend without travel restrictions in three years means millions of us will be trying to get some sort of holiday this weekend. for some that means braving the queues at air and sea ports. for others, it's a trip closer to home. ben's with some campers in surrey. hello. good morning. i have to tell you this feels a world away from the traffic disruption at ports, railways, on the roads, all the things you've been talking about. we are at the horsley camping and caravanning site in surrey. 30 miles outside london but, as i say, so tranquil and peaceful and for many families, this is where places like this where they will be spending the easter weekend. a lot of us, more than 7 million, are planning a domestic break in the uk over the long bank holiday weekend. that's great news for businesses who have had such a terrible few years and the financial benefit to them could be worth up to £1.8 billion. holiday rentals have surged in the run—up to the long weekend. the biggest cottage rental company in the uk says bookings are up 75% compared to 2019. and camping sites like this one also seeing a surge in interest. bookings are up by a third compared to what they were in 2019. a big site here. you can see motor homes, caravans, tents, something really for everyone. but what is the appeal of camping and caravanning? we went along to the sold—out caravan show in birmingham to speak to people and find out. i fancy having a means to go away whenever i feel like it without having to pack everything. just when i come home from work on a friday night, get in the van and go away. we had a new baby and we want to explore _ we had a new baby and we want to explore the caravan.— explore the caravan. we've always been campus _ explore the caravan. we've always been campus but _ explore the caravan. we've always been campus but during _ explore the caravan. 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the hills and all that kind of stuff whenever you want. it's a home away from home — whenever you want. it's a home away from home so — whenever you want. it's a home away from home so you — whenever you want. it's a home away from home so you got _ whenever you want. it's a home away from home so you got all _ whenever you want. it's a home away from home so you got all of - whenever you want. it's a home away from home so you got all of your- from home so you got all of your things and it is comfort as well, more comfortable than a tent. h’s more comfortable than a tent. it's nice for the _ more comfortable than a tent. it's nice for the children, cheaper holidays _ nice for the children, cheaper holida s. , ., , nice for the children, cheaper holida s. , . , ., , holidays. fresh air, being outside. you aet holidays. fresh air, being outside. you get to — holidays. fresh air, being outside. you get to choose _ holidays. fresh air, being outside. you get to choose different - 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enjoy— want when you want, do what you want so we enjoy it. well, this beauty is a swift freestyle se, he said, sounding like quite the expert. it's not mine but belongs to this family. how often have you guys been coming here? about three or four years we've been coming to the site. we love it here, 30 minutes away, so so convenient for us. yeah, it's like being in another world coming here. so peaceful and quiet. what is it for you you really enjoy about camping? i think it's being outdoors with the kids _ i think it's being outdoors with the kids they— i think it's being outdoors with the kids. they enjoy coming here and the fresh _ kids. they enjoy coming here and the fresh air~ _ kids. they enjoy coming here and the fresh air. every time we come here they seem — fresh air. every time we come here they seem to make new friends. it's brilliant _ they seem to make new friends. it's brilliant. ~ ., ., , ., they seem to make new friends. it's brilliant. . . ., .. they seem to make new 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make new friends? i make new friends eve time. make new friends? i make new friends every time- i— make new friends? i make new friends every time. i like _ make new friends? i make new friends every time. i like riding _ make new friends? i make new friends every time. i like riding my— make new friends? i make new friends every time. i like riding my bike i make new friends? i make new friends every time. i like riding my bike up i every time. i like riding my bike up and down and _ every time. i like riding my bike up and down and making _ every time. i like riding my bike up and down and making new - every time. i like riding my bike up and down and making new friends. | every time. i like riding my bike up| and down and making new friends. i think i see your bike, that shiny silver one over there? it looks like it goes very fast. silver one over there? it looks like it goes very fast-— silver one over there? it looks like | it goes very fast._ 0k, it goes very fast. yes, it does. 0k, we will let — it goes very fast. yes, it does. 0k, we will let you _ it goes very fast. yes, it does. 0k, we will let you get _ it goes very fast. yes, it does. 0k, we will let you get on _ it goes very fast. yes, it does. 0k, we will let you get on and - it goes very fast. yes, it does. 0k, we will let you get on and enjoy i we will let you get on and enjoy your bike ride. thank you very much and have a good easter weekend. it is absolutely joyous and have a good easter weekend. it is absolutelyjoyous here, i have to tell you, and we've seen people out and about walking their dogs, people sitting by the lake enjoying the tranquillity and peace. goodness, i mean, people feel like they have ended certainly after the last two years. thank you. tranquillity and peace until he turns up in a camera crew. he is now heading off on his bike straightaway. the film bend it like beckham — about a british indian girl who dreams of becoming a footballer — was released 20 years ago this week. since then, the profile of women's football has increased hugely, and participation among players of south asian heritage is also on the rise. miriam walker—khan has made a documentary about the film, called "bend it like beckham: 20 years on". we can see a bit of it now. i wonder if i had an arranged marriage, would i get someone who'd let me play football whenever i wanted? who were you talking to? bend it like beckham was a huge success and it made history as the highest grossing film about football. there are so many elements of it that are still true today. the film actually gave me a little bit of clarity about where i want to go with my life. i was like, this is me on screen. she's found her people. maybe i can find my people. rosie kmita, the first south asian woman to play in the wsl, you're kind of like a real—life jesminder, aren't you? i'm up for it. what's crazy isjesminder was probably for a lot of south asian girls, their only role model, that looked like us and was from the same background. and she wasn't real. which is sad. yeah, it is sad. when you think about that, the fact that we had to really use our imagination in that sense and look at a film and think, ok, that is possible but it was a film, right? whereas now you can look at the likes of myself, mas, who plays at aston villa at the moment, you can now see it and i think that's the beauty of the difference that we've seen 20 years on. that's right, john. could jesminder be the answer to england's praise? _ alan? crikey, i look a lot younger. she looks comfortable on the ball. i tell you what, i wish she was playing for scotland. yeah, i think i overacted a little bit. when i did it, i can't remember why i said yes, because i kind of turn down a lot of things like that normally, but i think i did like the script and i thought it was quite cute and funny. but i never imagined it would be the success that it obviously was. this film kinda brings up all those issues of identity and feeling like you don't quite fit in there, but you don't quite fit in there either, and so i think that's what's timeless about it. in a way it's sad that it's still relatable to today's world 20 years later. but it's also the concept of pushing for women's football, pushing that it shouldn't be women's football, it should just be football in general. i want to play professionally. wow, can you do that? i mean, as ajob, like? sure. not really here, but you can in america. j one of the best things about watching the film now is looking at the development of women's football in this country. now we are seeing on the best american players come here and play in our league. what's that like for you as women's football fans to see that? where women's football is now with the wsl being one of the few fully professional leagues in the whole entire world, it is such an exciting time for women's football. we're nowjoined by football coach ali speechly and blackburn rovers player millie chandara na. she was inspired by the film. director of bend it like beckham gurinder chadha joins us from central london. lovely to see this morning. we were just saying, millie, you are five when the movie came out they didn't see it 20 years ago but a few years later? , ., , see it 20 years ago but a few years later? , . , . ., later? yes, i was five when it came out. but later? yes, i was five when it came out- but i — later? yes, i was five when it came out. but i think — later? yes, i was five when it came out. but i think | _ later? yes, i was five when it came out. but i think i was _ later? yes, i was five when it came out. but i think i was eight - later? yes, i was five when it came out. but i think i was eight or- later? yes, i was five when it came out. but i think i was eight or nine| out. but i think i was eight or nine when i first saw it because that was the first time it went on tv i'm pretty sure. and then, funnily enough actually, not the first time i went into my first gayles team, and 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[— others, so i got a lot to thank my career teacher for.— others, so i got a lot to thank my career teacher for. i can't believe, 20 ears career teacher for. i can't believe, 20 years ago _ career teacher for. i can't believe, 20 years ago now. _ career teacher for. i can't believe, 20 years ago now, so _ career teacher for. i can't believe, 20 years ago now, so did - career teacher for. i can't believe, 20 years ago now, so did you - career teacher for. i can't believe, | 20 years ago now, so did you have any idea at the time it would have the impact it did? mat any idea at the time it would have the impact it did?— the impact it did? not at all. i thou~ht the impact it did? not at all. i thought that _ the impact it did? not at all. i thought that my _ the impact it did? not at all. i thought that my cousins - the impact it did? not at all. || thought that my cousins would the impact it did? not at all. i - thought that my cousins would like it. thought that my cousins would like it and _ thought that my cousins would like it. and friends. _ thought that my cousins would like it. and friends. maybe _ thought that my cousins would like it. and friends. maybe a _ thought that my cousins would like it. and friends. maybe a few- thought that my cousins would like it. and friends. maybe a few cool. it. and friends. maybe a few cool people _ it. and friends. maybe a few cool people in— it. and friends. maybe a few cool peopie in new— it. and friends. maybe a few cool people in new york. _ it. and friends. maybe a few cool people in new york. bhaji - it. and friends. maybe a few cool people in new york. bhaji on - it. and friends. maybe a few cool people in new york. bhaji on thei people in new york. bhaji on the tteach— people in new york. bhaji on the beach had — people in new york. bhaji on the beach had been— people in new york. bhaji on the beach had been a _ people in new york. bhaji on the beach had been a cult _ people in new york. bhaji on the beach had been a cult hit - people in new york. bhaji on the beach had been a cult hit in - beach had been a cult hit in america _ beach had been a cult hit in america '— beach had been a cult hit in america. i kind— beach had been a cult hit in america. i kind of- beach had been a cult hit in america. i kind of thought. beach had been a cult hit in| america. i kind of thought it beach had been a cult hit in - america. i kind of thought it would be a cult— america. i kind of thought it would be a cult thing _ america. i kind of thought it would be a cult thing. i— america. i kind of thought it would be a cult thing. i didn't— america. i kind of thought it would be a cult thing. i didn't expect - america. i kind of thought it would be a cult thing. i didn't expect it. be a cult thing. i didn't expect it to be _ be a cult thing. i didn't expect it to be as — be a cult thing. i didn't expect it to be as mainstream _ be a cult thing. ididn't expect it to be as mainstream as- be a cult thing. i didn't expect it to be as mainstream as it - be a cult thing. i didn't expect it to be as mainstream as it was. i be a cult thing. i didn't expect iti to be as mainstream as it was. it 'ust to be as mainstream as it was. it just took— to be as mainstream as it was. it just took off _ to be as mainstream as it was. it just took off in _ to be as mainstream as it was. it just took off in a _ to be as mainstream as it was. it just took off in a huge _ to be as mainstream as it was. it just took off in a huge way. - to be as mainstream as it was. it just took off in a huge way. i- to be as mainstream as it was. it. just took off in a huge way. i think there _ just took off in a huge way. i think there were — just took off in a huge way. i think there were lots _ just took off in a huge way. i think there were lots of _ just took off in a huge way. i think there were lots of reasons - just took off in a huge way. i think there were lots of reasons for- just took off in a huge way. i think| there were lots of reasons for that, but mainly— there were lots of reasons for that, but mainly i— there were lots of reasons for that, but mainly i think— there were lots of reasons for that, but mainly i think when _ there were lots of reasons for that, but mainly i think when we - there were lots of reasons for that, but mainly i think when we had - there were lots of reasons for that, but mainly i think when we had the | but mainly i think when we had the whole _ but mainly i think when we had the whole coot— but mainly i think when we had the whole cool britannia _ but mainly i think when we had the whole cool britannia thing - but mainly i think when we had the whole cool britannia thing had - whole cool britannia thing had happened. _ whole cool britannia thing had happened, britain— whole cool britannia thing had happened, britain was - whole cool britannia thing had - happened, britain was reinventing itself— happened, britain was reinventing itself as— happened, britain was reinventing itself as this — happened, britain was reinventing itself as this youthful _ happened, britain was reinventing itself as this youthful diverse - itself as this youthful diverse nation, — itself as this youthful diverse nation, ian— itself as this youthful diverse nation, ian wright _ itself as this youthful diverse nation, ian wright had - itself as this youthful diverse nation, ian wright had come| itself as this youthful diverse . nation, ian wright had come on itself as this youthful diverse - nation, ian wright had come on to a football— nation, ian wright had come on to a football pitch — nation, ian wright had come on to a football pitch wearing _ nation, ian wright had come on to a football pitch wearing a _ nation, ian wright had come on to a football pitch wearing a union - nation, ian wright had come on to a football pitch wearing a union jack i football pitch wearing a union jack which _ football pitch wearing a union jack which was — football pitch wearing a union jack which was amazing _ football pitch wearing a union jack which was amazing and _ football pitch wearing a union jack which was amazing and had - football pitch wearing a union jack which was amazing and had neveri which was amazing and had never really _ which was amazing and had never really been — which was amazing and had never really been seen _ which was amazing and had never really been seen before, - which was amazing and had never really been seen before, so - which was amazing and had never really been seen before, so that. really been seen before, so that sparked — really been seen before, so that sparked my— really been seen before, so that sparked my interest _ really been seen before, so that sparked my interest in - really been seen before, so that sparked my interest in nationali sparked my interest in national identity. — sparked my interest in national identity. but— sparked my interest in national identity, but also _ sparked my interest in national identity, but also the _ sparked my interest in national identity, but also the day - sparked my interest in national identity, but also the day of. sparked my interest in national| identity, but also the day of my premier. — identity, but also the day of my premier, before _ identity, but also the day of my premier, before it, _ identity, but also the day of my premier, before it, i— identity, but also the day of my premier, before it, i remember identity, but also the day of my- premier, before it, i rememberwhen you are _ premier, before it, i rememberwhen you are qualifying _ premier, before it, i rememberwhen you are qualifying for _ premier, before it, i rememberwhen you are qualifying for the _ premier, before it, i rememberwhen you are qualifying for the world - you are qualifying for the world cup. _ you are qualifying for the world cup. it— you are qualifying for the world cup. it was— you are qualifying for the world cup, it was england _ you are qualifying for the world cup, it was england against - you are qualifying for the world - cup, it was england against greece. david _ cup, it was england against greece. david beckham _ cup, it was england against greece. david beckham curled _ cup, it was england against greece. david beckham curled one - cup, it was england against greece. david beckham curled one in. - cup, it was england against greece. david beckham curled one in. i- cup, it was england against greece. david beckham curled one in. i was| david beckham curled one in. i was like, _ david beckham curled one in. i was like. oh _ david beckham curled one in. i was like. oh yes! — david beckham curled one in. i was like, oh yes! perfect— david beckham curled one in. i was like, oh yes! perfect advertising - like, oh yes! perfect advertising for me — like, oh yes! perfect advertising for me even _ like, oh yes! perfect advertising for me. even better— like, oh yes! perfect advertising for me. even better than- like, oh yes! perfect advertising for me. even better than that, i like, oh yes! perfect advertising i for me. even better than that, on the day— for me. even better than that, on the day of— for me. even better than that, on the day of the _ for me. even better than that, on the day of the premier, _ for me. even better than that, on the day of the premier, david - the day of the premier, david beckham _ the day of the premier, david beckham were _ the day of the premier, david beckham were supposed - the day of the premier, david beckham were supposed to l the day of the premier, david - beckham were supposed to come down and walk— beckham were supposed to come down and walk the _ beckham were supposed to come down and walk the red — beckham were supposed to come down and walk the red carpet _ beckham were supposed to come down and walk the red carpet in— beckham were supposed to come down and walk the red carpet in leicester- and walk the red carpet in leicester square _ and walk the red carpet in leicester square but — and walk the red carpet in leicester square but that— and walk the red carpet in leicester square but that night _ and walk the red carpet in leicester square but that night he _ and walk the red carpet in leicester square but that night he played - and walk the red carpet in leicester square but that night he played a l square but that night he played a game _ square but that night he played a game and — square but that night he played a game and he _ square but that night he played a game and he broke _ square but that night he played a game and he broke his _ square but that night he played a game and he broke his foot, - square but that night he played a game and he broke his foot, if. square but that night he played a. game and he broke his foot, if you remember — game and he broke his foot, if you remember so— game and he broke his foot, if you remember. so the _ game and he broke his foot, if you remember. so the next— game and he broke his foot, if you remember. so the next day, - game and he broke his foot, if you remember. so the next day, all. game and he broke his foot, if youl remember. so the next day, all the papers _ remember. so the next day, all the papers were — remember. so the next day, all the papers were like. _ remember. so the next day, all the papers were like, mend _ remember. so the next day, all the papers were like, mend it- remember. so the next day, all the papers were like, mend it like - papers were like, mend it like beckham. _ papers were like, mend it like beckham, break— papers were like, mend it like beckham, break it _ papers were like, mend it like beckham, break it like - papers were like, mend it like i beckham, break it like beckham, papers were like, mend it like - beckham, break it like beckham, all these _ beckham, break it like beckham, all these things — beckham, break it like beckham, all these things conspired _ beckham, break it like beckham, all these things conspired i _ beckham, break it like beckham, all these things conspired i think- beckham, break it like beckham, all these things conspired i think to - beckham, break it like beckham, all these things conspired i think to be i these things conspired i think to be part of— these things conspired i think to be part of the — these things conspired i think to be part of the national— these things conspired i think to be part of the national conversation i part of the national conversation and national— part of the national conversation and national history— part of the national conversation and national history no. - part of the national conversation and national history no. [it- and national history no. certainly is. have you and national history no.. certainly is. have you got and national history no.- certainly is. have you got any questions, because you never spoken before, have you?— before, have you? hello, amazing to meet ou. before, have you? hello, amazing to meet you i— before, have you? hello, amazing to meet you- i guess — before, have you? hello, amazing to meet you. i guess the _ before, have you? hello, amazing to meet you. i guess the question - before, have you? hello, amazing to| meet you. i guess the question would be how ou meet you. i guess the question would be how you feel— meet you. i guess the question would be how you feel about _ meet you. i guess the question would be how you feel about the _ meet you. i guess the question would be how you feel about the film - meet you. i guess the question would be how you feel about the film now? | be how you feel about the film now? rachet— be how you feel about the film now? rachet was— be how you feel about the film now? rachel wasjust be how you feel about the film now? rachel was just saying we need a sequel— rachel was just saying we need a sequel but i think it was very much of its _ sequel but i think it was very much of its time — sequel but i think it was very much of its time and ijust wonder how you feet— of its time and ijust wonder how you feel about how the film feels in 2022? _ you feel about how the film feels in 2022? ~ “ 2022? when i think the film, it still feels very _ 2022? when i think the film, it still feels very relevant. - 2022? when i think the film, it still feels very relevant. it - 2022? when i thinkthe film, it | still feels very relevant. it hasn't really— still feels very relevant. it hasn't really aged — still feels very relevant. it hasn't really aged except _ still feels very relevant. it hasn't really aged except they- still feels very relevant. it hasn't really aged except they don't - still feels very relevant. it hasn't i really aged except they don't have mobite _ really aged except they don't have mobile phones _ really aged except they don't have mobile phones basically. - really aged except they don't have mobile phones basically. but- really aged except they don't have mobile phones basically. but the i mobile phones basically. but the themes — mobile phones basically. but the themes are — mobile phones basically. but the themes are still— mobile phones basically. but the themes are still very _ mobile phones basically. but the themes are still very relevant . mobile phones basically. but the| themes are still very relevant and .irls themes are still very relevant and girls are _ themes are still very relevant and girls are stilt— themes are still very relevant and girls are still being _ themes are still very relevant and girls are still being told _ themes are still very relevant and girls are still being told what - themes are still very relevant and girls are still being told what they can and _ girls are still being told what they can and can't— girls are still being told what they can and can't do— girls are still being told what they can and can't do and _ girls are still being told what they can and can't do and what- girls are still being told what they can and can't do and what they i can and can't do and what they should — can and can't do and what they should aim _ can and can't do and what they should aim for— can and can't do and what they should aim for and _ can and can't do and what they should aim for and not - can and can't do and what they should aim for and not aim - can and can't do and what they| should aim for and not aim for, can and can't do and what they . should aim for and not aim for, so in that— should aim for and not aim for, so in that sense, _ should aim for and not aim for, so inthat sense, i_ should aim for and not aim for, so in that sense, i think— should aim for and not aim for, so in that sense, i think it's - should aim for and not aim for, so in that sense, i think it's very- in that sense, i think it's very relevant _ in that sense, i think it's very relevant but _ in that sense, i think it's very relevant but also _ in that sense, i think it's very relevant but also it's - in that sense, i think it's very relevant but also it's great i in that sense, i think it's very relevant but also it's great toj in that sense, i think it's very- relevant but also it's great to see how many— relevant but also it's great to see how many asian _ relevant but also it's great to see how many asian and _ relevant but also it's great to see how many asian and girls - relevant but also it's great to see how many asian and girls there l relevant but also it's great to see l how many asian and girls there are who now— how many asian and girls there are who now take — how many asian and girls there are who now take football— how many asian and girls there are who now take football very - how many asian and girls there are i who now take football very seriously but also _ who now take football very seriously but also i _ who now take football very seriously but also i was — who now take football very seriously but also i was pleased _ who now take football very seriously but also i was pleased to _ who now take football very seriously but also i was pleased to hear- who now take football very seriously but also i was pleased to hear that l but also i was pleased to hear that the women's — but also i was pleased to hear that the women's football— but also i was pleased to hear that the women's football champions, i but also i was pleased to hear that i the women's football champions, the american _ the women's football champions, the american team, _ the women's football champions, the american team, every— the women's football champions, the american team, every single - the women's football champions, the american team, every single one - the women's football champions, the american team, every single one of. american team, every single one of them _ american team, every single one of them said _ american team, every single one of them said they— american team, every single one of them said they got _ american team, every single one of them said they got into— american team, every single one of them said they got into soccer- american team, every single one of them said they got into soccer or. them said they got into soccer or football— them said they got into soccer or football after _ them said they got into soccer or football after watching _ them said they got into soccer or football after watching the - them said they got into soccer or football after watching the film. i them said they got into soccer or| football after watching the film. i 'ust football after watching the film. i just think— football after watching the film. i just think that— football after watching the film. i just think that it _ football after watching the film. i just think that it keeps _ football after watching the film. i just think that it keeps going. - just think that it keeps going. there — just think that it keeps going. there is— just think that it keeps going. there is more _ just think that it keeps going. there is more young - just think that it keeps going. there is more young kids, - just think that it keeps going. j there is more young kids, my just think that it keeps going. - there is more young kids, my friend who wrote _ there is more young kids, my friend who wrote blinded _ there is more young kids, my friend who wrote blinded by _ there is more young kids, my friend who wrote blinded by the _ there is more young kids, my friend who wrote blinded by the night - there is more young kids, my friend who wrote blinded by the night with| who wrote blinded by the night with me, who wrote blinded by the night with me. he _ who wrote blinded by the night with me. he told — who wrote blinded by the night with me. he told me _ who wrote blinded by the night with me, he told me his— who wrote blinded by the night with me, he told me his little _ who wrote blinded by the night with me, he told me his little niece - who wrote blinded by the night with me, he told me his little niece hasi me, he told me his little niece has seen _ me, he told me his little niece has seen the _ me, he told me his little niece has seen the film _ me, he told me his little niece has seen the film five _ me, he told me his little niece has seen the film five times _ me, he told me his little niece has seen the film five times and - me, he told me his little niece has seen the film five times and she's| seen the film five times and she's only nine — seen the film five times and she's only nine i— seen the film five times and she's only nine. ithink— seen the film five times and she's only nine. i think there's - seen the film five times and she's i only nine. i think there's something only nine. ! think there's something about— only nine. i think there's something about being — only nine. i think there's something about being seen _ only nine. i think there's something about being seen on _ only nine. i think there's something about being seen on screen, - only nine. i think there's something about being seen on screen, you i about being seen on screen, you know. _ about being seen on screen, you know. your— about being seen on screen, you know. your life _ about being seen on screen, you know, your life on— about being seen on screen, you know, your life on screen, - about being seen on screen, you know, your life on screen, your. know, your life on screen, your people — know, your life on screen, your peopte around _ know, your life on screen, your peopte around you _ know, your life on screen, your people around you on - know, your life on screen, your people around you on screen i know, your life on screen, your. people around you on screen that really _ people around you on screen that really validates _ people around you on screen that really validates your _ people around you on screen that really validates your life - people around you on screen that really validates your life and - people around you on screen that really validates your life and yourj really validates your life and your experiences _ really validates your life and your experiences and _ really validates your life and your experiences and allows _ really validates your life and your experiences and allows you - really validates your life and your experiences and allows you to . really validates your life and your i experiences and allows you to laugh at them _ experiences and allows you to laugh at them but — experiences and allows you to laugh at them but also _ experiences and allows you to laugh at them but also be _ experiences and allows you to laugh at them but also be moved - experiences and allows you to laugh at them but also be moved by- experiences and allows you to laugh at them but also be moved by them| at them but also be moved by them and be _ at them but also be moved by them and be seen — at them but also be moved by them and be seen and _ at them but also be moved by them and be seen and heard. _ at them but also be moved by them and be seen and heard. that's- at them but also be moved by them and be seen and heard. that's whyi at them but also be moved by themj and be seen and heard. that's why i think— and be seen and heard. that's why i think the _ and be seen and heard. that's why i think the film — and be seen and heard. that's why i think the film stands _ and be seen and heard. that's why i think the film stands up _ and be seen and heard. that's why i think the film stands up and - and be seen and heard. that's why i think the film stands up and while . think the film stands up and while we are _ think the film stands up and while we are att— think the film stands up and while we are all talking _ think the film stands up and while we are all talking about _ think the film stands up and while we are all talking about in- think the film stands up and while we are all talking about in 20 - think the film stands up and while. we are all talking about in 20 years later _ we are all talking about in 20 years later i_ we are all talking about in 20 years later i mean. _ we are all talking about in 20 years later. i mean, i'm— we are all talking about in 20 years later. i mean, i'mjust_ we are all talking about in 20 years later. i mean, i'mjust shocked- we are all talking about in 20 years later. i mean, i'm just shocked at. later. i mean, i'mjust shocked at the amount— later. i mean, i'mjust shocked at the amount of— later. i mean, i'mjust shocked at the amount of interest _ later. i mean, i'mjust shocked at the amount of interest on - later. i mean, i'mjust shocked at the amount of interest on social. the amount of interest on social media _ the amount of interest on social media and — the amount of interest on social media and in— the amount of interest on social media and in fact, _ the amount of interest on social media and in fact, my— the amount of interest on social media and in fact, my son, - the amount of interest on social media and in fact, my son, who| the amount of interest on social. media and in fact, my son, who is 14, media and in fact, my son, who is 14. came— media and in fact, my son, who is 14. came up— media and in fact, my son, who is 14. came upto— media and in fact, my son, who is 14, came up to me _ media and in fact, my son, who is 14, came up to me yesterday- media and in fact, my son, who is 14, came up to me yesterday and| media and in fact, my son, who is- 14, came up to me yesterday and said look 14, came up to me yesterday and said took at _ 14, came up to me yesterday and said took at their— 14, came up to me yesterday and said took at their on— 14, came up to me yesterday and said look at their on tick—tock. _ 14, came up to me yesterday and said look at their on tick—tock. 7000 - look at their on tick—tock. 7000 tikes~ _ look at their on tick—tock. 7000 likes. normally— look at their on tick—tock. 7000 likes. normally i'm _ look at their on tick—tock. 7000 likes. normally i'm not - look at their on tick—tock. 7000 likes. normally i'm not a - look at their on tick—tock. 7000 likes. normally i'm not a cool. likes. normally i'm not a cool person— likes. normally i'm not a cool person to _ likes. normally i'm not a cool person to my— likes. normally i'm not a cool person to my son. _ likes. normally i'm not a cool person to my son. this - likes. normally i'm not a cool person to my son. this time i likes. normally i'm not a cool. person to my son. this time he likes. normally i'm not a cool- person to my son. this time he was like. _ person to my son. this time he was like. ma'am. — person to my son. this time he was like, ma'am, you've— person to my son. this time he was like, ma'am, you've broken- person to my son. this time he was| like, ma'am, you've broken through to tiktok~ _ like, ma'am, you've broken through to tiktok~ i— like, ma'am, you've broken through to tiktok. ~' ., . to tiktok. i think, i got a 12-year-old _ to tiktok. i think, i got a 12-year-old who - to tiktok. i think, i got a 12-year-old who plays i to tiktok. i think, i got a - 12-year-old who plays football, i2—year—old who plays football, every saturday, with hundreds of other young girls playing football, and i think they are benefiting from the legacy of this without really knowing about it. she has seen it, my daughter, i made her watch it, but the football team is absolutely thriving in this country at the moment. thriving in this country at the moment-— thriving in this country at the moment. , . �* , . . thriving in this country at the moment. , ., �* , ., ., ., moment. yes, and it's amazing to see. moment. yes, and it's amazing to see- from — moment. yes, and it's amazing to see. from where _ moment. yes, and it's amazing to see. from where it _ moment. yes, and it's amazing to see. from where it was _ moment. yes, and it's amazing to see. from where it was 20 - moment. yes, and it's amazing to see. from where it was 20 years i moment. yes, and it's amazing to i see. from where it was 20 years ago to now, it's accelerated massively. and the standard of play is unbelievable.— and the standard of play is unbelievable. definitely, the americans — unbelievable. definitely, the americans coming _ unbelievable. definitely, the americans coming into - unbelievable. definitely, the americans coming into the l unbelievable. definitely, the - americans coming into the wsl, even in the championship, the second league of england, the standard is incredible. you've got some of the best players in the country playing in that league and it's just great to see, not only girls participating in the sport but also excelling in the sport. and having careers out of it, being able to make careers out of it, as well. it, being able to make careers out of it. as well-— it, being able to make careers out of it, as well. how was your season auoin ? of it, as well. how was your season going? it's — of it, as well. how was your season going? it's been — of it, as well. how was your season going? it's been good _ of it, as well. how was your season going? it's been good so _ of it, as well. how was your season going? it's been good so far. - of it, as well. how was your season going? it's been good so far. i've i going? it's been good so far. i've en'o ed going? it's been good so far. i've enjoyed being — going? it's been good so far. is: enjoyed being back at going? it's been good so far. i�*9 enjoyed being back at blackburn. it's my childhood club are now either ten so it's been great so far. hopefully next season we can go further. ~ . :, , :, ~' far. hopefully next season we can go further. ~ . :, , :, ,, . �* , further. what do you think england's women's chances _ further. what do you think england's women's chances are _ further. what do you think england's women's chances are in _ further. what do you think england's women's chances are in the - further. what do you think england's women's chances are in the euros i women's chances are in the euros this summer? it women's chances are in the euros this summer?— women's chances are in the euros this summer? , _, :, �* , this summer? it is coming home. it's not to this summer? it is coming home. it's got to come — this summer? it is coming home. it's got to come home. _ this summer? it is coming home. it's got to come home. what _ this summer? it is coming home. it's got to come home. what an - got to come home. what an opportunity to showcase their talents— opportunity to showcase their talents in this country on home soil. _ talents in this country on home soit. you've _ talents in this country on home soil, you've got to bring it home. lovety— soil, you've got to bring it home. lovety to — soil, you've got to bring it home. lovely to see this morning. thank you so much. lovely to see this morning. bend it like beckham: 20 years on is available on bbc iplayer from 2.30 today. you're watching bbc breakfast. it's 8.59. this is bbc news. our top stories... the flagship of russia's black sea fleet has sunk, after an explosion on wednesday. ukraine claims it hit the moskva with missiles, but russia says the ship sank after a fire. in an exclusive bbc interview in his war bunker, ukraine's president says continuing attacks from russia are damaging chances of a peace deal bucha is in this process closing these possibilities. bucha, borodyanka, mariupol. so i don't have, you know, it's not about me, it's more about russia. the first asylum seekers could be flown from the uk to rwanda in weeks, according to the british government. the scheme aims to deter people crossing the english channel,