Transcripts For BBCNEWS The Context with Christian Fraser 20

Transcripts For BBCNEWS The Context with Christian Fraser 20240708



as several commuters are shot on a train during the morning rush hour. tonight with the context, from london, anand menon, director of the thinktank �*uk in a changing europe�* and democratic strategist mary anne marsh is in cape cod.. prime minister borisjohnson and the chancellor rishi sunak have been fined for breaking lockdown laws. the metropolitan police have confirmed that prime minister borisjohnson was fined for his participation in a gathering gfx in the cabinet room on his birthday which was onjune i9 2020. it's been reported about 30 people attended the party, organised as a surprise by carriejohnson who has also been fined. at that time gatherings of more than two people inside were banned by law. an exception was allowed if the gathering "was reasonably necessary" for work purposes. (biv)the fines suggest the police didn't think this event was such an exception. despite becoming the first prime minister to be fined for breaking the law, borisjohnson says he intends to get on with the job and issued this apology. let me say immediately that i've paid the fine and i once again offer a full apology. i understand the anger that many will feel, that i myself fell short when it came to observing the very rules which the government i lead had introduced to protect the public. and i except in all sincerity that people have the right to expect better. but it may not be over for the prime minister yet. the daily mirror's political editor pippa crerar, who has broken many of the partygate stories has tweeted that the police are issuing fines event by event , so parties on eve of prince phillip�*s funeral & cabinet room birthday party now done. the prime minister is alleged to have attended at least six gatherings so there could be more fines to come. the prime minister was pushed by the leader of the opposition on reports of parties in downing street in december last year. let's hear their exchange in the house of commons kier starmer. as millions of people were locked down last year, was a christmas party thrown at downing street for dozens of people on december the 18th? what i can tell the right honourable gentlemen is that all guidance was followed completely during number ten. my colleague rob watsonjoins me now from outside downing street. greater happy with us. i mean, what does it look like for the prime minister and the chancellor right now? it minister and the chancellor right now? , . ., , , ., minister and the chancellor right now? , . ., , now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure _ now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure if— now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure if you _ now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure if you can _ now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure if you can hear, - i'm not sure if you can hear, actually, it hasjust i'm not sure if you can hear, actually, it has just been turned down because someone was playing i fought the law and the lower one. that music has been turned down to my relief because i can hear you. to get to your question, i think they'll be rss. in the prime minister is not going to resign and so his fate goes into the hand of mps and the governing conservative party and the sense we have there is that some are more reluctant than others, more willingly than others have decided that now is not the time for a leadership challenge to borisjohnson. think it then goes over to watch the british public feel about this? initial polling suggests that a majority people still feel that the government should resign over this? what a soundtrack _ should resign over this? what a soundtrack behind _ should resign over this? what a soundtrack behind you - should resign over this? what a soundtrack behind you there. i l should resign over this? what a - soundtrack behind you there. i think it is great that you have to explain to our viewers exactly what is happening. it is not a soundtrack of choice lit up as a protester down there. they can hear you loud and they are. you know, i want to perhaps up that poll that you are just mentioning there. so this is just mentioning there. so this is just a snap poll that has been taking place over the past hour or so. 57% say the prime minister should resign so pretty stark and 75% that the prime minister knowingly lie it and i think that word is quite interesting as well. it is something, of course, misled as a word used previously but the opposition came out a little bit more strongly today. but as you mentioned it would take mps, tory mps to come out and decide the fate of borisjohnson. the mid music down there, not the actual music behind you, what are people saying? that was a very — you, what are people saying? that was a very leading _ you, what are people saying? twat was a very leading question. the mood music is, the music is absolutely deafening. 0ne mood music is, the music is absolutely deafening. one of the things that is actually rather helpful to the prime minister is that we are in the easter recess so there are not mps around here but there are not mps around here but the ones i have reached by the telephone and other political journalists have reached, think one would some of the same, though, they are not happy. many of them are profoundly worried about the corrosive effect this has on conduct of public life in this country but and again, i say this with differing degrees of enthusiasm amongst them, i think that the majority of conservative mps are taking the view that now was not the time to remove the prime minister because, course, of ukraine and the global crisis. with ukraine, so my thinking that this may, as horrendous as ukraine and hell situation have been, that saves boris johnson. and hell situation have been, that saves borisjohnson. to think that really might play a role and how conservative members of parliament decide to proceed? it is conservative members of parliament decide to proceed?— decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafenin: decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at _ decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this _ decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this point _ decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this point but - decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this point but if- decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this point but if i - deafening at this point but if i understood your question correctly, yes, i think that is absolutely the decisive factor. i remember about seven or eight weeks ago conservative mps were telling me, look, if the prime minister is fined, that is it, it will be all over. the russian invasion of ukraine is change that but again, this is the sort of immediate future. you can see the conservatives turning against him in the next day, weeks or so but, of course, it has not gone away entirely and i think that is that party gate has made an awful lot of conservatives, for some of them it has reignited concerns they had about the prime minister's fitness for high office and of course has that same effect more broadly in a country with some people more thinking well, i'm not really sure about all of this but for now, if you're talking about the next day, the next few hours, that prime minister but that position looks safe. ~ ., , ,. minister but that position looks safe. ~ . , ,. ., safe. what is the scene down there? i know there — safe. what is the scene down there? i know there is _ safe. what is the scene down there? i know there is a _ safe. what is the scene down there? i know there is a person _ safe. what is the scene down there? i know there is a person shouting - i know there is a person shouting tories out big—ip but other many people down there and protest in? there were few a bit earlier. i don't know whether they were just curious but there are certainly some onlookers when i was here a few hours ago but no, what is really interesting as westminster is kind of deserted. when there are holidays in westminster people scramble. let me also add, by the way, that the me. he is at his country residence which is a0 miles away in the hills of the chilterns west of london but i think what people really will be curious about is what the public mood in the country and i put it this way. i think there is a very large chunk of the population who are really, really angry. they feel like they follow the rules and they could not go and see dying loved ones, they did not attend funerals. they don't think anything much is going to change that anger. there is also what i would call perhaps a sizeable minority of think, you know what, you have got to cut boris johnson some slack. i mean, you know, it is his workplace as well as his home and there was a pandemic or an end sure, mistakes were made. that is the kind of split that we have in the country.— that is the kind of split that we have in the country. you're going to sta with have in the country. you're going to stay with us — have in the country. you're going to stay with us and _ have in the country. you're going to stay with us and thank— have in the country. you're going to stay with us and thank you - have in the country. you're going to stay with us and thank you so - have in the country. you're going to stay with us and thank you so much | stay with us and thank you so much for persevering through the music there. it is not even consent. it is kind of in and out but i want to turn to our panellist as well because they have been following it as well. it is a story that has travelled. this is at a time when people were losing loved ones and were not able to visit them even as they were dying and i wonder, might they were dying and i wonder, might the group of bereaved families speaking out, might they push the needle when it comes to public opinion? about borisjohnson. opinion? about boris johnson. because opinion? about borisjohnson. because there are local elections coming up the first week of may. i think you're right on both counts. i already heard today on the bbc plenty of people from those groups out making the point that this is totally unacceptable. several of them very strong language. they are out there making the case. what matters to tory mps is whether or not borisjohnson remains a winner. there you are quite right. what happens in the elections in may will be fundamental to his future. this is of course _ be fundamental to his future. this is of course kind _ be fundamental to his future. this is of course kind of— be fundamental to his future. this is of course kind of a _ be fundamental to his future. this is of course kind of a story of our times because it is a pandemic that everybody lived through. there are bills that were broken. that much we know today. how do you see it watching it from the states, the political drama playing out in london? it political drama playing out in london? , . . political drama playing out in london? , ., ., ., , london? it is a matter of trust which is the — london? it is a matter of trust which is the most _ london? it is a matter of trust which is the most valuable - london? it is a matter of trust - which is the most valuable commodity in politics. look at the pole at the top of the show. another reader says one day and does another it erodes trust especially on matters of life and death like covid. so it makes it harderfor and death like covid. so it makes it harder for boris and death like covid. so it makes it harderfor borisjohnson and death like covid. so it makes it harder for borisjohnson to hold and death like covid. so it makes it harderfor borisjohnson to hold on to his office and harderfor him to get the people of the uk to do things he needs them to but what was really interesting to me as this triptych you have, to see president southern ski, that inevitably had to have been times knowing that this decision was coming, the fine was coming. to perhaps pre—empt that as he boldly watched on the streets of kyiv with president lansky. yet, today, borisjohnson answering the fine and leaning on a written statement, reading from it as he looked down to say, well, yes, the police are right. the findings are right but i don't recall it this way. it is a striking contrast and those poll numbers will only get worse now as the days go on, not better. do worse now as the days go on, not better. , ., ~ ., ., better. do you think parliament should be recalled? _ better. do you think parliament should be recalled? rob- better. do you think parliament should be recalled? rob was. better. do you think parliament - should be recalled? rob was telling us it is in recess at the moment. adding about the triptych you have that boris johnson just adding about the triptych you have that borisjohnson just had. i adding about the triptych you have that boris johnson just had.- that boris johnson 'ust had. i think it is a very _ that boris johnson 'ust had. i think it is a very strong _ that boris johnson just had. i think it is a very strong case _ that boris johnson just had. i think it is a very strong case because - that boris johnson just had. i think it is a very strong case because of| it is a very strong case because of course misleading parliament is, it is to be a resigning offence for ministers. the chance of that happening, of course, depend on exactly the same tory mps will be talking about today is the chance of that happening are vanishingly small and casa light in our system. who are and those arbiters are conservative backbenchers. taste are and those arbiters are conservative backbenchers. we have been speaking _ conservative backbenchers. we have been speaking about _ conservative backbenchers. we have been speaking about boris _ conservative backbenchers. we have been speaking about boris johnson l been speaking about borisjohnson and i have not even mention rishi sunak who was not having a great couple of weeks to begin with. it has got decidedly worse. how do you see it playing out for him, and he is chancellor of the exchequer for a review is justjoining us? review is just joining us? interestingly, review is justjoining us? interestingly, we have been waiting to see what he was going to do a politicaljournalist to see what he was going to do a political journalist with thinking this could be a key moment and he has decided to apologise and pay the fine but not to resign. and i think why that is over the kind of key moment in this british political drama is, let's say he decided to resign saying, well, have broken the law, the government cannot do that. you can abed be in power and not abide by the rules. that might have made things very difficult for the prime minister so no doubt boris johnson is breathing a sigh of relief over that. i johnson is breathing a sigh of relief over that.— johnson is breathing a sigh of relief over that. ., , ., ., relief over that. i was reading that rishi sunak _ relief over that. i was reading that rishi sunak could _ relief over that. i was reading that rishi sunak could make _ relief over that. i was reading that rishi sunak could make a - rishi sunak could make a machiavellian move and if he left i will put more pressure on boris johnson then to go but that has not happened. johnson then to go but that has not happened. mo husseinjoins me now — he was noio downing street's chief press officer under david cameron. you are so you are so welcome. you are so welcome. thank you for joining us. how are you seeing this this evening? i joining us. how are you seeing this this evening?— this evening? i think it is a pretty damauuin this evening? i think it is a pretty damaging position _ this evening? i think it is a pretty damaging position for _ this evening? i think it is a pretty damaging position for the - damaging position for the government, for the conservative party and it will have long—term implications even though we are hearing today this digging in which i'm not surprised by, the ground was laid. the prime minister will not be resigning over this. i think the tide can potentially turn quite quickly. mps may not be in westminster but they are perhaps more with their constituents. there will be taking soundings, they will be hearing the reactions from the ground, making next week quite interesting when parliament does return. i think there is a longer term issue with the conservative party has long prided itself in the uk as being a party of law and order. and when you are in government, you create rules and regulations people to abide by. you expect people to adapt their behaviour towards. expect people to adapt their behaviourtowards. if expect people to adapt their behaviour towards. if people can come back and say, well, does that apply to you as well, are you also going to do that, that is also a question going forward and i think that will have pretty damaging consequences in the long term. what consequences in the long term. what would ou consequences in the long term. what would you be — consequences in the long term. what would you be advising borisjohnson now to do and rishi sunak? well, i think the fact that this has been dragging on for so long and there has been a drip, drip of revelations, has been perhaps the most damaging part of this. if they want to try to stay in their roles i think, very quickly, they will have to start talking about the bigger picture. we're already hearing the prime minister talk about the war in europe, supporting ukraine, getting on with the levelling up agenda in the uk. getting on with the post covid economic recovery. this is basically telling people there are bigger issues at play here that i need to deliver. this happened a few years ago. in the grand scheme of things, what does it matter now? that is the only real line of defence. we also had the minister say that he did not knowingly mislead parliament. he did not knowingly say something that wasn't true. that is quite important because there is a debate around when you mislead parliament, do you do it unwittingly or do you do it deliberately. i think, do it unwittingly or do you do it deliberately. ithink, again, getting into the weeds of this discussion and technicalities you end up losing the women most people think if you have misled parliament then that is what you have done knowingly or unknowingly. you have said something that was not the case and the problem now is, because you had weeks and weeks of the government saying nothing to see here. there were no parties. all the rules were followed and that isn't the case. there are some further explanation to do on that. this is very much, i think, the beginning of the process of that they could be more fines, they could be more pictures, more revelations. you still going to get report from the met police and sue graca that is the end of it. not moving on. what i was struck by today and i will turn to you and just a moment, so if you conservative voices saying anything. in order to eat here and there but i'm talking about too, i think i have found. there might be a few more out but it was hours before anybody was either supporting or also saying any reservations that they had although i did not hear that from conservative party members. is that what you would expect? members. is that what you would exect? , . ., , members. is that what you would exect? , . . ., , expect? the silence has certainly been deafening _ expect? the silence has certainly been deafening and _ expect? the silence has certainly been deafening and i _ expect? the silence has certainly been deafening and i think- expect? the silence has certainly been deafening and i think they l expect? the silence has certainly l been deafening and i think they are shocked and there is a bit of a wait and see going on. there are local elections coming up in a few weeks' time so heavily wants to be the mp that it's their neck out and says we need to change our leader right now. i would have underplayed the impact of the uk's efforts in ukraine and the visit this weekend by the prime minister to hear. i think that will be playing on peoples minds as well. and also there will be other considerations in terms of looking ahead. does the prime minister still win elections or not? people remember he won in parts of the country that no conservative had one for many, many years so there is still some people i think giving him the benefit of the doubt but undoubtedly there will be wanting to see what they can set you and have to say about this and what they need music is across the country before they make any decisions. what music is across the country before they make any decisions. what about, with me i they make any decisions. what about, with me i think— they make any decisions. what about, with me i think listening _ they make any decisions. what about, with me i think listening to _ they make any decisions. what about, with me i think listening to some - with me i think listening to some reactions today around the country, some of the responses were visceral, i thought. it reminded me of the expenses scandal and that was back in 2009 but i am wondering, our colleague was saying, is it a turning point or a talking point? what do you reckon?— turning point or a talking point? what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. what do you reckon? well, only time will tell- i'm — what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. i'm sorry _ what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. i'm sorry to _ what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. i'm sorry to give _ what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. i'm sorry to give the - will tell. i'm sorry to give the copout answer but that is absolutely the case but you are right. this festival and that is why this has really hit home because there are lots of sort of government policies which are sort of obscure and nobody gives that much of a hoot about them but this was very clear. everyone can remember the prime minister telling the whole country, look, everybody, though, folks, this is incredibly serious and we have got to stick by these rules in order to save lives. to save the country and national health care system so it was immensely serious and people thought they were doing that. people were not able to visit dying loved ones and i don't think that anger will easily dissipate but to pick up and expand that and pick up on the point. i do think he has hit on the third at the real danger facing the conservatives is notjust from this but the sort of accumulated sense that they have been in power for a long time and there is something rather corrosive as critics would see it about boris johnson's rather corrosive as critics would see it about borisjohnson's conduct in public office. and of course, you can speak to some conservative mps were not command the tv and say it but they feel that, they sort of worry about lawbreaking. then you have to set against that there is another chunk of the population that i talked about earlier, sizeable minority, i suppose one might describe them is that at this point, just then, come on, good old boris. a different kind of leader and you can't expect him to behave the way previous prime ministers have behaved. what school of thought is going to prevail in the long term in british politics, the idea of the conservatives as corrosive or good old boris, a different kind of leader, i simply don't know. you thou~ht leader, i simply don't know. you thought the _ leader, i simply don't know. you thought the music _ leader, i simply don't know. you thought the music but you person has left before you did. thanks so much for staying on with us. thank you so much to all my guests. let's turn now to the conflict in ukraine. within the past couple of hours, the states' top diplomat antony blinken has said there is credible information that russia may use chemical weapons in its attempt to take the strategically important city of mariupol. his comments came as president vladimir putin was seen in public for the first time since his military shifted its focus away from kyiv. vladimir putin spent part of tuesday strolling around a spaceport in the far east of russia alongside one of his staunchest allies, the belarusian president alexander lu kashenko. he told the assembled media that he had no doubts russia would achieve all of its objectives — and he insisted his military operation was going to plan. translation: the goals are perfectly clear, they are noble. _ i said from the very beginning back in my first public statement - addressing the countryj and the armed forces, i directly set the goals. the main goal is to help the people in donbas, l the people of donbas which we've | recognised, and we had to do it. | so president putin is saying his focus is to help the people of the donbas, let's just pick up on that for a moment. the regions of donetsk and luhansk, close to ukraine's eastern border with russia is moscow's new military focus. the key to the entire area is the port city of mariupol, which has been under siege since the end of february. as battle for mariupol grinds on, the city's mayor says an estimated 21 thousand civilians have been killed there. there have also been unconfirmed reports that chemical weapons have been deployed. the claims originate from the a—zov battallion in mariupol. it alleges that a russian drone dropped a "poisonous substance" on troops and civilians in mariupol. the ukrainian defence ministry has said it's checking the reports , and the us defence department has said it cannot confirm them. let's bring in stephen rapp, who's a former international prosecutor and former us ambassador—at—large for global criminaljustice. welcome back. how could we know whether it is a chemical attack? how could that be verified?— could that be verified? well, it would take _ could that be verified? well, it would take an _ could that be verified? well, it would take an investigation - could that be verified? well, it| would take an investigation and could that be verified? well, it - would take an investigation and when you have a mechanism to do that, the organisation for the prevention of chemical warfare, the body that enforces the chemical weapons convention of which worships a party, can go in and investigate and even under recent practice, which the russians have objected to vociferously as it applies to syria, could determine who is responsible. do keep in mind this is not an easy situation to get into and it is quite complicated but certainly, one would hope that those that are in the place of preserving the evidence, preserving the ground around where this drone attack occurred and documenting how that material was collected and preserved so that we can get an accurate reading as to whether chemicals were used. this is consistent with the russian syrian strategy whether in this proceeding of a strategy in the city is not surrendering because obviously there are people who continue to survive and continue to live on underground and in shelters. and one of the ways you get to those people, entirely illegal, astute chemical weapons. you people, entirely illegal, astute chemical weapons.— people, entirely illegal, astute chemical weapons. chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line, chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line. do — chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line. do you _ chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line, do you think, _ chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line, do you think, in _ chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line, do you think, in ukraine, i red line, do you think, in ukraine, you mention syria there. i think a lot of people felt it weakened the battle against the president of syria underformer us president barack 0bama when he didn't act following a chemical attack in that country. do you think of it could be proven, verified, would it make a difference, particularly with the involvement of nato, for example? well, i would think it would mean ratcheting up the pressure even more. to keep in mind that a very big bed liners already crossed, an aggressive war against the peaceful country. ukraine certainly had not done anything to disturb —— at least in the last eight years. and sadly they have death raining from the sky. that's the big red line which has not been cast had it all since world war ii. 0bviously has not been cast had it all since world war ii. obviously the world reacted to that. at least there is a massive bombardment of civilian neighbourhoods. this iath century siege wore a pair delete make, warfare and these vicious and brutal acts against civilians, against men, women and children working in gardens. we have crossed a lot of bad science but particularly a prospect that chemical weapons could be used in other versions have used them in another context, even in salisbury england with never a chore against a former agent and his daughter. the fact that they would do this does not surprise us but, of course, the prospect of them being used in the largest country in europe, ukraine, and what that means to everybody else on the continent, i think, is extremely serious and i think were to assess the tate that shooting things up even further in terms of sanctions. 50. shooting things up even further in terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating _ terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating imports _ terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating imports of— terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating imports of oil- terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating imports of oil and - terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. j eliminating imports of oil and gas, for instance. i eliminating imports of oil and gas, for instance-— eliminating imports of oil and gas, for instance. ., ., ., for instance. i have about a minute. would you — for instance. i have about a minute. would you see _ for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that _ for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that as _ for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that as a _ for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that as a red - for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that as a red line? . would you see that as a red line? would you see that as a red line? would you see that as a red line? would you like to see a sort of bits on the ground from nato if, in fact, chemical attack was proven to have happened? the chemical attack was proven to have ha ened? ., , ., ,, , happened? the one mistakes the united states _ happened? the one mistakes the united states made. _ happened? the one mistakes the united states made. it _ happened? the one mistakes the united states made. it was - happened? the one mistakes the | united states made. it was expert happened? the one mistakes the . united states made. it was expert at knowing _ united states made. it was expert at knowing what putin was going a predicting he would invade ukraine and then_ predicting he would invade ukraine and then we were late to get zelensky everything he needed. if anthony— zelensky everything he needed. if anthony thinking today knows that russia, _ anthony thinking today knows that russia, putin is going to use chemical— russia, putin is going to use chemical weapons, what doing today to stop _ chemical weapons, what doing today to stop that? this is not about what we're _ to stop that? this is not about what we're going — to stop that? this is not about what we're going to do after it happens. what _ we're going to do after it happens. what are _ we're going to do after it happens. what are we going to going to do to stop that? — what are we going to going to do to stop that? that is what we need to stou _ stop that? that is what we need to stou we _ stop that? that is what we need to stop. we need to make sure that red line does— stop. we need to make sure that red line does not get crossed. what happens — line does not get crossed. what happens it does? that is where the emphasis _ happens it does? that is where the emphasis should be. how happens it does? that is where the emphasis should be.— happens it does? that is where the emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify _ emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify an _ emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify an attack _ emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify an attack and - emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify an attack and i - it take to verify an attack and i just have 30 seconds? in it take to verify an attack and i just have 30 seconds?- it take to verify an attack and i just have 30 seconds? in case of the opc w it could _ just have 30 seconds? in case of the on w it could take _ just have 30 seconds? in case of the opc w it could take several- just have 30 seconds? in case of the opc w it could take several monthsl 0pc w it could take several months to do that. getting the absolute proof, versions will still say it is fake. to get the absolute rock solid proof is not something that can be done overnight. i proof is not something that can be done overnight.— done overnight. i have to leave it there. done overnight. i have to leave it there- thank _ done overnight. i have to leave it there. thank you _ done overnight. i have to leave it there. thank you for _ done overnight. i have to leave it there. thank you for turning - done overnight. i have to leave it i there. thank you for turning coming back on with us. stay right here on bbc news. stay right here on bbc news. hello there. it's been a bit of a soggy day across central northern parts of the uk, thanks to a pretty active weatherfront, which has been spreading its way northwards. further south, it's been dry with some sunshine, particularly across the southeast. but the rest of this week, it looks like high pressure will dominate the scene, so it will be largely settled, and for many of us, it's going to feel pretty warm for the time of year with those orange and yellow colours right across the uk. that's today's rain continuing to advance its way northwards this evening and overnight, becoming confined to the northeast of scotland and the northern isles. further south, it will be dry with clear spells. some mist and fog will develop, nowhere particularly cold, temperatures down to 7—10 degrees for many of us. for wednesday, then, we start off rather cloudy, damp across the north of scotland. the rain becoming confined to the northern isles. elsewhere, though, for the rest of scotland, northern ireland, england, wales, a brighter day with plenty of sunshine around. but there will be a few showers developing, especially in england and wales, as some of them could be heavy, perhaps even thundery. it will be a little bit warmer even further north tomorrow with temperatures generally in the mid to high teens. now, as we head through wednesday night, it looks like low cloud, mist and fog will become more extensive across some southern and western areas, particularly around irish sea coasts. but again, it's going to be a mild night, especially for england and wales. it does mean, though, thursday could be a little bit cloudier for many of us, particularly across the northern and western half of the uk. probably the best of the sunshine will again be across the east and the southeast, but a few holes will break up in that cloud further west as well, so we could see some sunny spells here and there. again, quite mild, mid to high teens, we could see 20—2i celsius in the southeast. now, as we move into the easter weekend, it looks like high pressure will continue to bring a lot of dry and settled weather, certainly for the first half of the weekend. i think as we get into easter sunday, perhaps easter monday, there is a chance that area of high pressure could break down and allow frontal systems to work their way in from the west, introducing a bit more cloud and some showers. at this stage of the picture, for good friday, looks pretty good, there will be higher pressure, light winds, a lot of dry and settled weather. some sunshine around, maybe just one or two showers out west, but i think most places will be dry, and again, it's going to be pretty warm, temperatures mid to high teens for many of us. then as we move through the easter weekend, although it will stay warm with a lot of dry and bright weather, like i mentioned, there is a chance of some rain trying to push in from the west. we have to stay tuned for the forecast for all of the details. hello, i'm nuala mcgovern. you're watching the context on bbc news. borisjohnson has been fined for breaking the law — in the police investigation into parties in downing street. 16 people are injured at a new york subway station as several commuters are shot on a train during the morning rush hour. after two weeks' covid lockdown in shanghai, officials admit they're struggling to feed the city's 25 million people. and as us inflation hits its highest level in a0 years, president biden is in iowa announcing measures to cut the cost of petrol. tonight with the context, anand menon, director of the think tank "uk in a changing europe" and mary anne marsh democratic strategist. welcome back to the programme. 16 people have been injured at a subway station in brooklyn, new york where several commuters were shot during the morning rush hour. ten suffered gunshot wounds, five in critical condition. we want to bring you some footage from the subway in brooklyn where this shooting has taken place. before we show it to you we should warn you that it is distressing. we can see people on the ground who are injured. you can see what apears to be smoke in the air. the authorities say the shooter is still at large in the city. the new york police department gave this update just before 8:2aam, as a manhattan bound n train waited to enter the st station, an individual on that train donned what appeared to be a gas mask. he then took a canister out of his bag and opened it. the train at that time began to fill with smoke. he then opened fire, striking multiple people on the subway and in the platform. again, we will describe him as an individual, being reported as a male, black, proximally five being reported as a male, black, proximally five foot five inches tall with a heavy build. he was wearing a green construction type vest and a hooded sweatshirt, the colour was gray. joining us now is nada tawfik who is at the scene in brooklyn we heard a little bit there on the suspect, but is the person still at large? any more details on that? yeah, the suspect is still at large and there is an intense manhunt under way, and even though you see the traffic opened behind me now, schools that ran lockdown, kids have been dismissed, this investigation is still very much ongoing. we actuallyjust heard from new york's mirror that the security cameras in this station were not working at the time, so that is a major setback for investigators in this. but they are at the moment still combing for any evidence. they've actually asked the public to please get in touch with the police if they have any information on the suspect. they believe he did come in a rented u haul truck before this attack, but they haven't released many more details. the other key thing they mentioned was that they don't believe this was a terror related incidents. they haven't completely ruled that out, that is their thinking at this stage. it ruled that out, that is their thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking — thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking for— thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking for the _ thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking for the people - thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking for the people of l thinking at this stage. it must be i very shocking for the people of new york. i was listening to the governor earlier and struck that she talked about no more underlining those words when talking about to cry and i think in the city. has this been an ongoing discussion the state? ., ., , ,., , ., , this been an ongoing discussion the state? ., ., , ,., , .,, . state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can to far state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back— state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back to _ state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back to the _ state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back to the last - state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back to the last mayoral| can go far back to the last mayoral election which brought the new mayor and, he really wine on a platform of public safety, then we rang in the new year in new york, not really just in celebration, but with striking headlines of deadly shootings in the city. two cops killed. so this has been an ongoing debate, and in fact this mayor, this governor had pledged to be a little bit tougher on crime in terms of getting more officers in the streets, being tougher on prosecuting gun possession and, and that has been a very divisive debate here in new york as they try to balance that public safety and what needs to be done to get rising shootings under control. the need forjustice reform. the debate about racialjustice forjustice reform. the debate about racial justice as well, forjustice reform. the debate about racialjustice as well, so it's been a hot topic here in new york, but nevertheless, they seek shooting in the subway, this mass indiscriminate shooting in the subway, i think it really does make every new yorker think about their own safety and the need to remain vigilant in the subways. it's a very scary day for many here. of course such a core part of life people getting to work or to school, the people who were directly affected, earlier we were hearing 16 in jared, ten affected, earlier we were hearing 16 injared, ten with gunshot wounds, any more updates on their situation? yeah, the insured now are actually up yeah, the insured now are actually up to 29 people a. filth! not all of up to 29 people a. 0h! not all of them were _ up to 29 people a. 0h! not all of them were shot, but we know ten of them were shot, but we know ten of them were shot, but we know ten of them were shot. five of those people are in critical condition, but we have been told they are not life—threatening injuries. really, when we got here, you could just see the scale of the emergency response. they got people quickly to nearby hospitals, in fact, a train conductor on the train on the opposite side of the platform, once that train with the attacker came through, he urged everyone to get on so they could evacuate commuters to the next stop, so it was a lot of quick thinking and luck that new yorkers are counting themselves lucky that there were no deaths. as i say, five people in critical, but stable condition.— i say, five people in critical, but stable condition. thank you so much for speaking — stable condition. thank you so much for speaking to _ stable condition. thank you so much for speaking to us _ stable condition. thank you so much for speaking to us from _ stable condition. thank you so much for speaking to us from brooklyn - stable condition. thank you so much l for speaking to us from brooklyn new york. let's turn to my panelists with us, a shocking story. i think we all feel we know new york and know the subway weather from beating —— being there orfrom know the subway weather from beating —— being there or from the know the subway weather from beating —— being there orfrom the movies and it must�*ve been a frightening one for the people that were involved. �* , one for the people that were involved-— involved. it's appalling. our thoughts — involved. it's appalling. our thoughts are _ involved. it's appalling. our thoughts are with _ involved. it's appalling. our thoughts are with the - involved. it's appalling. our. thoughts are with the victims involved. it's appalling. our- thoughts are with the victims and their families. thoughts are with the victims and theirfamilies. it is thoughts are with the victims and their families. it is very hard to see things like this from the side of the atlantic and not think about guns. whenever you see these, you know, we know from our own recent experience, it's very hard to stop these unprovoked acts of violence. the big difference between the us and european countries is of course far more people get hurt in the us seemingly because far people have access to guns. that is always my first thought when you hear of these mass atrocities over there. we first thought when you hear of these mass atrocities over there.— first thought when you hear of these mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation — mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation last _ mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation last night _ mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation last night on _ mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation last night on the - conversation last night on the context of guns and traceable guns, and one of our panelists, republican mike shields, he felt strongly about the right to bear arms and we have been to that debate a number of times on this programme and others. as you are looking, and they know what you are in cape cod but you know new york, this incident, what are you thinking about when you see some of the details stop that i normally live in boston, but for years every monday morning i was in new york city, every day for years. the united states has a gun problem, just since january one of this year, there had been 136 mass shootings, killing 1a6 people so far, mercifully, no one lost their life today, but that speaks volumes will stop eric adams, the mayor of new york, not only did he run on a law and order platform, he is a normal —— former new york police officer. that's how he came to office. he has put 1000 new police officers on the subway alone. yes, the second amendment and the right to bear arms, fine, but they have become much easier to get with far fewer restrictions, no licenses, no training, restrictions, no licenses, no training.— restrictions, no licenses, no traininr, ~' ., ., , , ., , training, know anything can be any more to be — training, know anything can be any more to be able _ training, know anything can be any more to be able to _ training, know anything can be any more to be able to drive _ training, know anything can be any more to be able to drive a - training, know anything can be any more to be able to drive a car - training, know anything can be any more to be able to drive a car that| more to be able to drive a car that needed _ more to be able to drive a car that needed to— more to be able to drive a car that needed to own a gun in this country committed — needed to own a gun in this country committed think that tells you everything. look at what happened today _ everything. look at what happened today i_ everything. look at what happened today. i will add one last point, anyone — today. i will add one last point, anyone who shows up to the scene of anyone who shows up to the scene of a crime _ anyone who shows up to the scene of a crime and _ anyone who shows up to the scene of a crime and eu hall had a much bigger— a crime and eu hall had a much bigger plans in mind. that is not a luy bigger plans in mind. that is not a guy with _ bigger plans in mind. that is not a guy with a — bigger plans in mind. that is not a guy with a gun who wanted to shoot up guy with a gun who wanted to shoot up a subway car, which is not nothing _ up a subway car, which is not nothing is _ up a subway car, which is not nothinu. , , up a subway car, which is not nothinu. ,, , ,, up a subway car, which is not nothin.. , , , ~' ., nothing. is still shocking that he is at large- _ nothing. is still shocking that he is at large- i _ nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. iwill— nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. i will say _ nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. i will say a _ nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. i will say a part - nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. i will say a part of i is at large. i will say a part of the debate last night as well is that crime has so many facets our republican analyst feeling that guns is just one aspect, but i take your viewpoint and share it with our viewers as well. let's turn to covid now, shall be? 0fficials viewers as well. let's turn to covid now, shall be? officials in china's now, shall be? 0fficials in china's mega— now, shall be? officials in china's mega— city have admitted they are still struggling to beat shanghai's 20 million people. large suites at the area have now spent two weeks under strict lockdown. authorities are battling to contain a new wave of omicron as they try to prevent it from slipping across the country. the bbc has seen inside quarantine facilities are tens of thousands of people are being forcibly housed as china maintains what calls its zero covet strategy. in one of china's most advanced cities, the conditions for some are awful. translation: the moment i really broke down was when i entered - the cabin hospital. we spoke to this 26—year—old, she tested positive a few days ago. in china, symptoms are no symptoms, you are forced to quarantine. translation: we were first assigned to the shared area, j the conditions were terrible. my roommate and i found two camp beds, there was only one rest room and one watch space on each floor. and one wash space on each floor. many sleep next to each other. i was terrified. i broke down and cried. 0ur chinese media analyst kerry allenjoins me now. you are very welcome to the show. we are hearing some of those stories there that reports, what are you hearing and seeing as you look at chinese media and also social media sites? ~ ., ., chinese media and also social media sites? ~ ., , , sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media _ sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media is _ sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media is very _ sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media is very much - sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media is very much that i chinese media is very much that cases are starting to go down. for the last ten days, it's been the case that cases have just been going up case that cases have just been going up and up and up, more than 20,000 both symptomatic and asymptomatic cases —— combined. they are starting to fall now and there are also media reports on batches of children who are starting to leave, and the case generally in china, this emphasis on positive news, so a lot of how the authorities are volunteering to help the city, see don't see this on people's struggles because the coping strategy does persist, and people are locked, and it's very much the case that when you have lockdowns, it's not the case with people just nipping to the shops and getting supplies. you are confined to your home. getting supplies. you are confined to your home-— to your home. what is going on in the city that _ to your home. what is going on in the city that people _ to your home. what is going on in the city that people were - to your home. what is going on in the city that people were not - to your home. what is going on in the city that people were not ablej the city that people were not able to be fed in the way that they needed to be able to get the essentials. i mean, what has happened in china? up the rest of the world perhaps is moving on where china isjust in a the world perhaps is moving on where china is just in a completely different sphere when it comes to covid—19. different sphere when it comes to covid-19. ~ , ,., , ~' covid-19. absolutely. i think in china, there _ covid-19. absolutely. i think in china, there was _ covid-19. absolutely. i think in china, there was an _ covid-19. absolutely. i think in | china, there was an expectation covid-19. absolutely. i think in - china, there was an expectation by the end of last year that by this time, people would be getting back to normal because china does have a huge vaccination rates, i've seen statistics today saying that they .3 billion vaccines have been administered in china, that's the main of 1.1 billion people having received three doses. so people should be effectively getting back to normal, but no, people do have frustrations about this, that they are still in their homes, in other regions that are on the border as well, but china's leading medical officials have said that this isn't going to change anytime soon, that china is still maintaining, this is best for china as a whole. i thank you very much. i want to turn to another aspect of covid, however, there was a lot of tough lockdowns as kerry was telling us there in china can i want to show you this stat, this from the united states, they found that just stat, this from the united states, they found thatjust 9% of people in they found thatjust 9% of people in the state still see the pandemic is a serious crisis. so less than wine in every ten people.— in every ten people. what do you make of that _ in every ten people. what do you make of that when _ in every ten people. what do you make of that when you see, - in every ten people. what do you make of that when you see, i - make of that when you see, i suppose, the numbers being so different, and also perhaps the actions being so different between it somewhere like china and then the united states. i5 it somewhere like china and then the united states.— united states. is interesting, isn't it? as we have — united states. is interesting, isn't it? as we have just _ united states. is interesting, isn't it? as we havejust heard, - united states. is interesting, isn't it? as we havejust heard, china l united states. is interesting, isn't| it? as we havejust heard, china is trying to implement a zero covet policy which isn't working. thank ou in policy which isn't working. thank you in shanghai _ policy which isn't working. thank you in shanghai alone, _ policy which isn't working. thank you in shanghai alone, 26,000 i policy which isn't working. thank you in shanghai alone, 26,000 cases in the _ you in shanghai alone, 26,000 cases in the last— you in shanghai alone, 26,000 cases in the last week. they are trying to live with _ in the last week. they are trying to live with a — in the last week. they are trying to live with a bed and what we see here is high _ live with a bed and what we see here is high case — live with a bed and what we see here is high case numbers and there are two things— is high case numbers and there are two things about this that worry me. the incidence of lung covet we have seen reports published over the last couple _ seen reports published over the last couple of— seen reports published over the last couple of days about the impact this is having _ couple of days about the impact this is having on— couple of days about the impact this is having on the work for us, and secondly, — is having on the work for us, and secondly, of— is having on the work for us, and secondly, of course, as long as this disease _ secondly, of course, as long as this disease is _ secondly, of course, as long as this disease is with us, there is a risk of new_ disease is with us, there is a risk of new variants emerging that are more _ of new variants emerging that are more resistant to the vaccine. so having _ more resistant to the vaccine. so having these high case numbers i think— having these high case numbers i think should still be a case, a cause — think should still be a case, a cause for— think should still be a case, a cause for all of us.— think should still be a case, a cause for all of us. marianne, you know, cause for all of us. marianne, you know. one _ cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, _ cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, and _ cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, and i _ cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, and i want - cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, and i want to i cause for all of us. marianne, you i know, one thing, and i want to thank you for being with us, one thing that struck me as i was watching some of the stories that robin and carrie were telling us is at the beginning of the pandemic, china was taking a lot of action against cases while i think the west was staying away, for example are thinking perhaps it couldn't happen here. do you have any concerns about what china seems to be going through at the moment when the picture seems so different than people's attitudes are so different in the united states and the west? the contrast can be more _ states and the west? the contrast can be more straight— states and the west? the contrast can be more straight cash - states and the west? the contrast can be more straight cash start. i states and the west? the contrast i can be more straight cash start. you are seeing a rebellion because people are being fed. in the united states and the west, people are done with covid, but covid is not done with covid, but covid is not done with us. see people not wearing masks any more, no social distancing, you know, there's still a few places like the subway in new york, think the outcome of this morning where that came in handy, wearing masks, but for the most part, people think it's over, and as a result, you are already seeing a new variant, basically coming across the country, going up the east coast, look at other people in washington, dc who came down with covet, including the speaker of the house and many others just in the last few days, and he is exactly right. we are going to keep going to the cycles of variance in the getting worse and different all along unless we really take more actions to try to end it, and we have not done that yet. it has become so political, people do not want to wear masks any more, they don't want to be told what to do, so around the world, i think dressing people really bucking against it, but that's not going to get us out of this, in the last point here is not on the lung covet, but we have not on the lung covet, but we have no idea what the long—term effects, evenif no idea what the long—term effects, even if you bounce back from covid, what it is on your respiratory system, your cardiovascular system, your brain, your neurological system. there is so much we don't know yet, but everyone is just done. it's very interesting, those figures, 3.3 billion vaccinations that have been dispensed so far. we will continue to watch that. i do want to move on to inflation. inflation has reached a a0 year high in the united states, spurred by the soaring cost of energy. the consumer price index rose to 8.5% year on year — the fastest pace since the early days of ronald reagan's presidency. high petrol prices accounted for half of the inflation spike in march. wages are also rising — but not by as much. the president is in iowa today to push his economic agenda. to try and help ease the burden of inflation, joe biden has already released some of the us' emergency petrol reserves. he's also extending e15 gasoline — — thats a particular fuel that uses a 15% ethanol blend and is typically banned from sale from june to september due to its high rate of pollution. mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics joins me now. mark, get happy with us. thank you so much for coming on the step when you see this inflation rate of 8.5%, did you expect it? it seems so high i think for people to think of like from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably _ from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably does _ from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably does not. _ from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably does not. we i from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably does not. we knew| but predictably does not. we knew that we were going to see a big jump in the month, and up a lot over the past year, most recently it's because of the russian invasion of ukraine and the surge in oil prices, natural gas prices, commodity prices more broadly, fingerprints of the invasion are all over this report, and you mentioned gasoline because of diesel prices, airline tickets, you can really see the damage that the invasion is doing. in terms of high inflation. i the invasion is doing. in terms of high inflation.— high inflation. i did see a line cominu high inflation. i did see a line coming in _ high inflation. i did see a line coming in saying _ high inflation. i did see a line coming in saying that - high inflation. i did see a line coming in saying that i i high inflation. i did see a line i coming in saying that i pollutant price hike in because 70% of the us march inflation. but how much of it is to do with it with ukraine? i think in march it was a must entirely russian ukraine, that's not the only thing going on, the pandemic itself has been a major hit to global supply chains, that's caused shortages and price increases, scrambled labour markets, a lot of people got sick and couldn't work, it's taken a while for them to get back to work. so when you think about it, we are struggling globally with two massive global supply shops, the pandemic and now the russian invasion. in some respects, it's not surprising we are grappling with us. the other thing that's going on, the economy is growing very rapidly, and jobs coming in, interest rates need to get up higher so that we don't completely overdo it. taste get up higher so that we don't completely overdo it.- get up higher so that we don't completely overdo it. we are 'ust talkinu completely overdo it. we are 'ust talking about fl completely overdo it. we are 'ust talking about covid i completely overdo it. we are 'ust talking about covid in i completely overdo it. we are 'ust talking about covid in china i completely overdo it. we are just talking about covid in china in i talking about covid in china in there and some of the aspects, people being in isolation and much higherfigures and they people being in isolation and much higher figures and they would be in the west with the same symptoms or, you know, for contracting covid, and i suppose that must have an effect on supply as well. it i suppose that must have an effect on supply as well-— on supply as well. it sure does. most of the _ on supply as well. it sure does. most of the damage _ on supply as well. it sure does. most of the damage from i on supply as well. it sure does. most of the damage from the l on supply as well. it sure does. i most of the damage from the supply chain disruptions are back at a belt away. i don't know if you remember, but that was back in the summer and fall of last year. that is when china and the rest of southeast asia shut down. all that supply chains begin their will stop so that really created havoc. 0micron and now this. fortunately, china is getting a little bit more judicious and fortunately, china is getting a little bit morejudicious and how they are handling this, so i think they are handling this, so i think the problems have really affected reports yet, but if they do, it will just exacerbate the inflation that we are suffering through right now. let me turn to you on this, some people not so happy about it, feel it is polluting. i wonder, how do you think it affects, of course, this is the measure he is bringing in, joe biden, to try to lower gas prices. how do you think it affects his green credentials, particularly perhaps looking towards midterms or may be that price of goods is more important for voters?— may be that price of goods is more important for voters? yeah, the use of ethanol doesn't _ important for voters? yeah, the use of ethanol doesn't help, _ important for voters? yeah, the use of ethanol doesn't help, to - important for voters? yeah, the use of ethanol doesn't help, to view i of ethanol doesn't help, to view with some — of ethanol doesn't help, to view with some voters on his green credentials, but the number one issue _ credentials, but the number one issue with — credentials, but the number one issue with the midterms coming up, this november, the cost of living. it's gasoline, its groceries commits everything — it's gasoline, its groceries commits everything across the board, so i think— everything across the board, so i think what— everything across the board, so i think what is more important, if you want _ think what is more important, if you want to— think what is more important, if you want to keep the house in the senate, — want to keep the house in the senate, which i think democrats can do, senate, which i think democrats can do. but _ senate, which i think democrats can do, but boy— senate, which i think democrats can do, but boy is it a tough road, you have _ do, but boy is it a tough road, you have to _ do, but boy is it a tough road, you have to start, _ do, but boy is it a tough road, you have to start, i would evoke cash across _ have to start, i would evoke cash across every industry. get them to be producing seven days a week, 24 hours _ be producing seven days a week, 24 hours a _ be producing seven days a week, 24 hours a day, — be producing seven days a week, 24 hours a day, whether it's food, gasoline, — hours a day, whether it's food, gasoline, drilling, all of that, so you are — gasoline, drilling, all of that, so you are showing people you are trying _ you are showing people you are trying to — you are showing people you are trying to reduce the prices can increase — trying to reduce the prices can increase the supply, and at the same time, _ increase the supply, and at the same time, go _ increase the supply, and at the same time, go after the increase the supply, and at the same time, go afterthe industries increase the supply, and at the same time, go after the industries that are gouging, but to your point, it's are gouging, but to your point, it's a perfect _ are gouging, but to your point, it's a perfect storm of circumstances that goes — a perfect storm of circumstances that goes from labour, to fertilise a comment if you will come across the board — a comment if you will come across the board that's affecting this, withjoe — the board that's affecting this, withjoe biden and the democrats have to _ withjoe biden and the democrats have to show that they are doing something about it to make sure they win. ., ., .., , something about it to make sure they win. ., ., , , ,. win. that of course is the picture in the us, _ win. that of course is the picture in the us, this — win. that of course is the picture in the us, this is _ win. that of course is the picture in the us, this is a _ win. that of course is the picture in the us, this is a global- in the us, this is a global picture as well. and 98.5% we are relating to the states, how do you see it really, this surge in prices of energy and other, the cost of living, how do you see it manifesting in regular people's lives? ., , ., lives? you see a globally committed one of the reasons _ lives? you see a globally committed one of the reasons we _ lives? you see a globally committed one of the reasons we are _ lives? you see a globally committed one of the reasons we are seeing i one of the reasons we are seeing those scenes is spiralling food prices. that's one of the reasons why the police have to clamp down. he stayed in different ways in different countries, rising energy prices, and we are due to go up off the... ijust want prices, and we are due to go up off the... i just want to prices, and we are due to go up off the... ijust want to pick up on one thing, one of the things that's happening in the us is they are not increasing domestic production, fracking has actually gone down since the ukraine crisis started because of company's fears of crashing the price and damaging investors. so in what is needed is governmental action to force producers to produce more. an interesting issue here for everyone, which is that the us is normally energy independent, but the premise is that energy is a global market, short of the dramatic action she was talking about, we cannot force producers to produce, but it may be something the us government has to think about, particularly with those midterms and nine.— think about, particularly with those midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even _ midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if _ midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if we _ midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if we look _ midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if we look at - midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if we look at the i see this? even if we look at the united states, what doesjoe biden need to do, do you think is mack exactly what he's doing. he mentioned the release from the strategic— mentioned the release from the strategic reserve, i think it's made a lrig _ strategic reserve, i think it's made a big difference. i don't know that will lower— a big difference. i don't know that will lower prices, but i think it limits— will lower prices, but i think it limits the _ will lower prices, but i think it limits the increase in potential prices — limits the increase in potential prices i— limits the increase in potential prices. i think it's required, nobody— prices. i think it's required, nobody likes to do that, but i think that's— nobody likes to do that, but i think that's entirely appropriate in the context— that's entirely appropriate in the context of the very significant financial— context of the very significant financial pain that many americans, lower— financial pain that many americans, lower income americans are going there _ lower income americans are going there i_ lower income americans are going there. i also think it's important that europe gets off of russian oil and natural gas, but not to mark, because _ and natural gas, but not to mark, because if— and natural gas, but not to mark, because if they do, oil and natural -as because if they do, oil and natural gas the _ because if they do, oil and natural gas the global economy will likely io gas the global economy will likely go into— gas the global economy will likely go into recession, trying to rein in russia _ go into recession, trying to rein in russia so — go into recession, trying to rein in russia so a — go into recession, trying to rein in russia. so a very, very important that europe — russia. so a very, very important that europe gets off on russian oil and gas _ that europe gets off on russian oil and gas in — that europe gets off on russian oil and gas. in a way that isn't too disruptive _ and gas. in a way that isn't too disruptive to the global energy market — disruptive to the global energy market. in disruptive to the global energy market. g; :: disruptive to the global energy market. ;;:: , , ,, , market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see “obs market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see jobs advertised _ market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see jobs advertised everywhere, - market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see jobs advertised everywhere, you i market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see| jobs advertised everywhere, you know what i mean? that there is actually employment opportunities. how unusual is that that you have that happening at the same time of this race of inflation and cost of living? race of inflation and cost of livin: ? ~ ., �* , race of inflation and cost of livinu? . ., �*, ., race of inflation and cost of livinu? ., living? well, that's not typical, stron: living? well, that's not typical, strong economy _ living? well, that's not typical, strong economy high _ living? well, that's not typical, strong economy high inflation, | living? well, that's not typical, i strong economy high inflation, high inflation _ strong economy high inflation, high inflation isn't, it's largely not related — inflation isn't, it's largely not related to what is going on in the labour— related to what is going on in the labour market. that is supply chains. — labour market. that is supply chains, that's russia's invasion. i think— chains, that's russia's invasion. i think that's — chains, that's russia's invasion. i think that's where the problem really— think that's where the problem really lies. untilwe think that's where the problem really lies. until we get to the other— really lies. until we get to the other side of the pandemic, inflation _ other side of the pandemic, inflation will be a problem. gk, other side of the pandemic, inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that _ inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that could _ inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that could be _ inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that could be a _ inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that could be a very - we know that could be a very long road. i want to thank you all. thanks forjoining us here and you for watching the context on bbc news. hello there. a damn start to this week. certainly wet on tuesday, but after tuesday, week. certainly wet on tuesday, but aftertuesday, it looks week. certainly wet on tuesday, but after tuesday, it looks like the rest of this week should begins to building. one thing we will all notices it's going to turn warm, not across southern areas, that warmer air will be pretty noticeable across the north of the uk. wednesday certainly will be a warmer day for most areas. we still have that weather front across the north of scotland, the northern isles, the wet weather across parts of the country on tuesday. it will become confined to the northern isles, but elsewhere, it should be a much better picture for wednesday, some sunny spells around generally, starting to see some showers developing into the afternoon in response to those rising temperatures. some of them could be on the heavy thundery side. with generally light winds, they won't move very far, some areas could catch these downpours. temperatures reaching the mid to high teens or many of us can even across central seven scotland, but we can still make 19 or 20 degrees across the warmer spots in the southeast. showers will tend to fade away during wednesday night as we reach the early hours of thursday, we can start to see local admin standby becoming a bit more extensive, particularly across southern and western areas. nowhere is going to be particular called, a mild night for most. for a thursday, and area of high—pressure beginning to build income and that will tend to keep these weather fronts out west at bay, so it looks like most places will be dry on thursday, but it could be rather cloudy to begin a particularly across in and western areas. forthe particularly across in and western areas. for the afternoon, we should see a few holes being plunged into the cloud to allow for sunny spells, the cloud to allow for sunny spells, the best of it across england and wales. we will see the highest of the temperatures again with light winds. it will be mild as well for north into scotland. as of 11—1516. as we move into friday, that's what the front edge of it for the easter eggs, so i think apart from the odd showerfor eggs, so i think apart from the odd shower for the eggs, so i think apart from the odd showerfor the far west of eggs, so i think apart from the odd shower for the far west of the uk, most places should stay dry, again, under the influence of high—pressure. variable amounts of cloud, some sunny spells, the best of these across england and wales where once again it will turn quite warm. temperatures knocking on the door of the 20 celsius mark for many. again, the mid to high teens even further north. pretty warm for the time of year. now, as we move into the first part of easter weekend, high pressure will continue to bring finance settled conditions, keeping these weather fronts at bay, so saturday looks fine, i think i'm at the stage for most of us, plenty of sunshine around, light southeasterly winds across england and wales, by fracture across north sea coast. at that marcotte across the far west closer to those weather fronts. they could develop a shower later in the day. most places dry and feeling quite warm through saturday. now, through easter sunday and beyond, there could be a? for this area of high—pressure being declined and allows this area of low pressure to push and from the west whereby it will turn a little bit more unsettled. that also goes as we head into the following week as well, low pressure could be influencing our weather more. and if it does so, it could bring something slightly fresher, slightly cooler off the atlantic to our shores, bringing temperatures a bit closer to the seasonal norm, in fact. so there could be the shower pushing into the western area for each and perhaps the shower as well for easter monday. behind as we move into the following week, we will see those temperatures just edging down somewhat, closer to the seasonal norm. even that said, despite there being a few showers around, we will continue to see quite a bit of sunshine to. tonight at ten... borisjohnson becomes the first sitting prime minister to be found to have broken the law. both he and the chancellor have been fined and have apologised for breaching covid rules at a downing street party for mrjohnson's birthday during lockdown. in all frankness, at that time it did not occur to me that this might have been a breach of the rules. but of course, the police have found otherwise and i fully respect the outcome of their investigation. they've dishonoured their office. and then they lied to the public about it. britain deserves better. they have to go. neither man has offered his resignation, and some cabinet ministers have signalled their support — but what do voters think?

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as several commuters are shot on a train during the morning rush hour. tonight with the context, from london, anand menon, director of the thinktank �*uk in a changing europe�* and democratic strategist mary anne marsh is in cape cod.. prime minister borisjohnson and the chancellor rishi sunak have been fined for breaking lockdown laws. the metropolitan police have confirmed that prime minister borisjohnson was fined for his participation in a gathering gfx in the cabinet room on his birthday which was onjune i9 2020. it's been reported about 30 people attended the party, organised as a surprise by carriejohnson who has also been fined. at that time gatherings of more than two people inside were banned by law. an exception was allowed if the gathering "was reasonably necessary" for work purposes. (biv)the fines suggest the police didn't think this event was such an exception. despite becoming the first prime minister to be fined for breaking the law, borisjohnson says he intends to get on with the job and issued this apology. let me say immediately that i've paid the fine and i once again offer a full apology. i understand the anger that many will feel, that i myself fell short when it came to observing the very rules which the government i lead had introduced to protect the public. and i except in all sincerity that people have the right to expect better. but it may not be over for the prime minister yet. the daily mirror's political editor pippa crerar, who has broken many of the partygate stories has tweeted that the police are issuing fines event by event , so parties on eve of prince phillip�*s funeral & cabinet room birthday party now done. the prime minister is alleged to have attended at least six gatherings so there could be more fines to come. the prime minister was pushed by the leader of the opposition on reports of parties in downing street in december last year. let's hear their exchange in the house of commons kier starmer. as millions of people were locked down last year, was a christmas party thrown at downing street for dozens of people on december the 18th? what i can tell the right honourable gentlemen is that all guidance was followed completely during number ten. my colleague rob watsonjoins me now from outside downing street. greater happy with us. i mean, what does it look like for the prime minister and the chancellor right now? it minister and the chancellor right now? , . ., , , ., minister and the chancellor right now? , . ., , now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure _ now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure if— now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure if you _ now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure if you can _ now? it is nice to be with you, too. i'm not sure if you can hear, - i'm not sure if you can hear, actually, it hasjust i'm not sure if you can hear, actually, it has just been turned down because someone was playing i fought the law and the lower one. that music has been turned down to my relief because i can hear you. to get to your question, i think they'll be rss. in the prime minister is not going to resign and so his fate goes into the hand of mps and the governing conservative party and the sense we have there is that some are more reluctant than others, more willingly than others have decided that now is not the time for a leadership challenge to borisjohnson. think it then goes over to watch the british public feel about this? initial polling suggests that a majority people still feel that the government should resign over this? what a soundtrack _ should resign over this? what a soundtrack behind _ should resign over this? what a soundtrack behind you - should resign over this? what a soundtrack behind you there. i l should resign over this? what a - soundtrack behind you there. i think it is great that you have to explain to our viewers exactly what is happening. it is not a soundtrack of choice lit up as a protester down there. they can hear you loud and they are. you know, i want to perhaps up that poll that you are just mentioning there. so this is just mentioning there. so this is just a snap poll that has been taking place over the past hour or so. 57% say the prime minister should resign so pretty stark and 75% that the prime minister knowingly lie it and i think that word is quite interesting as well. it is something, of course, misled as a word used previously but the opposition came out a little bit more strongly today. but as you mentioned it would take mps, tory mps to come out and decide the fate of borisjohnson. the mid music down there, not the actual music behind you, what are people saying? that was a very — you, what are people saying? that was a very leading _ you, what are people saying? twat was a very leading question. the mood music is, the music is absolutely deafening. 0ne mood music is, the music is absolutely deafening. one of the things that is actually rather helpful to the prime minister is that we are in the easter recess so there are not mps around here but there are not mps around here but the ones i have reached by the telephone and other political journalists have reached, think one would some of the same, though, they are not happy. many of them are profoundly worried about the corrosive effect this has on conduct of public life in this country but and again, i say this with differing degrees of enthusiasm amongst them, i think that the majority of conservative mps are taking the view that now was not the time to remove the prime minister because, course, of ukraine and the global crisis. with ukraine, so my thinking that this may, as horrendous as ukraine and hell situation have been, that saves boris johnson. and hell situation have been, that saves borisjohnson. to think that really might play a role and how conservative members of parliament decide to proceed? it is conservative members of parliament decide to proceed?— decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafenin: decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at _ decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this _ decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this point _ decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this point but - decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this point but if- decide to proceed? it is absolutely deafening at this point but if i - deafening at this point but if i understood your question correctly, yes, i think that is absolutely the decisive factor. i remember about seven or eight weeks ago conservative mps were telling me, look, if the prime minister is fined, that is it, it will be all over. the russian invasion of ukraine is change that but again, this is the sort of immediate future. you can see the conservatives turning against him in the next day, weeks or so but, of course, it has not gone away entirely and i think that is that party gate has made an awful lot of conservatives, for some of them it has reignited concerns they had about the prime minister's fitness for high office and of course has that same effect more broadly in a country with some people more thinking well, i'm not really sure about all of this but for now, if you're talking about the next day, the next few hours, that prime minister but that position looks safe. ~ ., , ,. minister but that position looks safe. ~ . , ,. ., safe. what is the scene down there? i know there — safe. what is the scene down there? i know there is _ safe. what is the scene down there? i know there is a _ safe. what is the scene down there? i know there is a person _ safe. what is the scene down there? i know there is a person shouting - i know there is a person shouting tories out big—ip but other many people down there and protest in? there were few a bit earlier. i don't know whether they were just curious but there are certainly some onlookers when i was here a few hours ago but no, what is really interesting as westminster is kind of deserted. when there are holidays in westminster people scramble. let me also add, by the way, that the me. he is at his country residence which is a0 miles away in the hills of the chilterns west of london but i think what people really will be curious about is what the public mood in the country and i put it this way. i think there is a very large chunk of the population who are really, really angry. they feel like they follow the rules and they could not go and see dying loved ones, they did not attend funerals. they don't think anything much is going to change that anger. there is also what i would call perhaps a sizeable minority of think, you know what, you have got to cut boris johnson some slack. i mean, you know, it is his workplace as well as his home and there was a pandemic or an end sure, mistakes were made. that is the kind of split that we have in the country.— that is the kind of split that we have in the country. you're going to sta with have in the country. you're going to stay with us — have in the country. you're going to stay with us and _ have in the country. you're going to stay with us and thank— have in the country. you're going to stay with us and thank you - have in the country. you're going to stay with us and thank you so - have in the country. you're going to stay with us and thank you so much | stay with us and thank you so much for persevering through the music there. it is not even consent. it is kind of in and out but i want to turn to our panellist as well because they have been following it as well. it is a story that has travelled. this is at a time when people were losing loved ones and were not able to visit them even as they were dying and i wonder, might they were dying and i wonder, might the group of bereaved families speaking out, might they push the needle when it comes to public opinion? about borisjohnson. opinion? about boris johnson. because opinion? about borisjohnson. because there are local elections coming up the first week of may. i think you're right on both counts. i already heard today on the bbc plenty of people from those groups out making the point that this is totally unacceptable. several of them very strong language. they are out there making the case. what matters to tory mps is whether or not borisjohnson remains a winner. there you are quite right. what happens in the elections in may will be fundamental to his future. this is of course _ be fundamental to his future. this is of course kind _ be fundamental to his future. this is of course kind of— be fundamental to his future. this is of course kind of a _ be fundamental to his future. this is of course kind of a story of our times because it is a pandemic that everybody lived through. there are bills that were broken. that much we know today. how do you see it watching it from the states, the political drama playing out in london? it political drama playing out in london? , . . political drama playing out in london? , ., ., ., , london? it is a matter of trust which is the — london? it is a matter of trust which is the most _ london? it is a matter of trust which is the most valuable - london? it is a matter of trust - which is the most valuable commodity in politics. look at the pole at the top of the show. another reader says one day and does another it erodes trust especially on matters of life and death like covid. so it makes it harderfor and death like covid. so it makes it harder for boris and death like covid. so it makes it harderfor borisjohnson and death like covid. so it makes it harder for borisjohnson to hold and death like covid. so it makes it harderfor borisjohnson to hold on to his office and harderfor him to get the people of the uk to do things he needs them to but what was really interesting to me as this triptych you have, to see president southern ski, that inevitably had to have been times knowing that this decision was coming, the fine was coming. to perhaps pre—empt that as he boldly watched on the streets of kyiv with president lansky. yet, today, borisjohnson answering the fine and leaning on a written statement, reading from it as he looked down to say, well, yes, the police are right. the findings are right but i don't recall it this way. it is a striking contrast and those poll numbers will only get worse now as the days go on, not better. do worse now as the days go on, not better. , ., ~ ., ., better. do you think parliament should be recalled? _ better. do you think parliament should be recalled? rob- better. do you think parliament should be recalled? rob was. better. do you think parliament - should be recalled? rob was telling us it is in recess at the moment. adding about the triptych you have that boris johnson just adding about the triptych you have that borisjohnson just had. i adding about the triptych you have that boris johnson just had.- that boris johnson 'ust had. i think it is a very _ that boris johnson 'ust had. i think it is a very strong _ that boris johnson just had. i think it is a very strong case _ that boris johnson just had. i think it is a very strong case because - that boris johnson just had. i think it is a very strong case because of| it is a very strong case because of course misleading parliament is, it is to be a resigning offence for ministers. the chance of that happening, of course, depend on exactly the same tory mps will be talking about today is the chance of that happening are vanishingly small and casa light in our system. who are and those arbiters are conservative backbenchers. taste are and those arbiters are conservative backbenchers. we have been speaking _ conservative backbenchers. we have been speaking about _ conservative backbenchers. we have been speaking about boris _ conservative backbenchers. we have been speaking about boris johnson l been speaking about borisjohnson and i have not even mention rishi sunak who was not having a great couple of weeks to begin with. it has got decidedly worse. how do you see it playing out for him, and he is chancellor of the exchequer for a review is justjoining us? review is just joining us? interestingly, review is justjoining us? interestingly, we have been waiting to see what he was going to do a politicaljournalist to see what he was going to do a political journalist with thinking this could be a key moment and he has decided to apologise and pay the fine but not to resign. and i think why that is over the kind of key moment in this british political drama is, let's say he decided to resign saying, well, have broken the law, the government cannot do that. you can abed be in power and not abide by the rules. that might have made things very difficult for the prime minister so no doubt boris johnson is breathing a sigh of relief over that. i johnson is breathing a sigh of relief over that.— johnson is breathing a sigh of relief over that. ., , ., ., relief over that. i was reading that rishi sunak _ relief over that. i was reading that rishi sunak could _ relief over that. i was reading that rishi sunak could make _ relief over that. i was reading that rishi sunak could make a - rishi sunak could make a machiavellian move and if he left i will put more pressure on boris johnson then to go but that has not happened. johnson then to go but that has not happened. mo husseinjoins me now — he was noio downing street's chief press officer under david cameron. you are so you are so welcome. you are so welcome. thank you for joining us. how are you seeing this this evening? i joining us. how are you seeing this this evening?— this evening? i think it is a pretty damauuin this evening? i think it is a pretty damaging position _ this evening? i think it is a pretty damaging position for _ this evening? i think it is a pretty damaging position for the - damaging position for the government, for the conservative party and it will have long—term implications even though we are hearing today this digging in which i'm not surprised by, the ground was laid. the prime minister will not be resigning over this. i think the tide can potentially turn quite quickly. mps may not be in westminster but they are perhaps more with their constituents. there will be taking soundings, they will be hearing the reactions from the ground, making next week quite interesting when parliament does return. i think there is a longer term issue with the conservative party has long prided itself in the uk as being a party of law and order. and when you are in government, you create rules and regulations people to abide by. you expect people to adapt their behaviour towards. expect people to adapt their behaviourtowards. if expect people to adapt their behaviour towards. if people can come back and say, well, does that apply to you as well, are you also going to do that, that is also a question going forward and i think that will have pretty damaging consequences in the long term. what consequences in the long term. what would ou consequences in the long term. what would you be — consequences in the long term. what would you be advising borisjohnson now to do and rishi sunak? well, i think the fact that this has been dragging on for so long and there has been a drip, drip of revelations, has been perhaps the most damaging part of this. if they want to try to stay in their roles i think, very quickly, they will have to start talking about the bigger picture. we're already hearing the prime minister talk about the war in europe, supporting ukraine, getting on with the levelling up agenda in the uk. getting on with the post covid economic recovery. this is basically telling people there are bigger issues at play here that i need to deliver. this happened a few years ago. in the grand scheme of things, what does it matter now? that is the only real line of defence. we also had the minister say that he did not knowingly mislead parliament. he did not knowingly say something that wasn't true. that is quite important because there is a debate around when you mislead parliament, do you do it unwittingly or do you do it deliberately. i think, do it unwittingly or do you do it deliberately. ithink, again, getting into the weeds of this discussion and technicalities you end up losing the women most people think if you have misled parliament then that is what you have done knowingly or unknowingly. you have said something that was not the case and the problem now is, because you had weeks and weeks of the government saying nothing to see here. there were no parties. all the rules were followed and that isn't the case. there are some further explanation to do on that. this is very much, i think, the beginning of the process of that they could be more fines, they could be more pictures, more revelations. you still going to get report from the met police and sue graca that is the end of it. not moving on. what i was struck by today and i will turn to you and just a moment, so if you conservative voices saying anything. in order to eat here and there but i'm talking about too, i think i have found. there might be a few more out but it was hours before anybody was either supporting or also saying any reservations that they had although i did not hear that from conservative party members. is that what you would expect? members. is that what you would exect? , . ., , members. is that what you would exect? , . . ., , expect? the silence has certainly been deafening _ expect? the silence has certainly been deafening and _ expect? the silence has certainly been deafening and i _ expect? the silence has certainly been deafening and i think- expect? the silence has certainly been deafening and i think they l expect? the silence has certainly l been deafening and i think they are shocked and there is a bit of a wait and see going on. there are local elections coming up in a few weeks' time so heavily wants to be the mp that it's their neck out and says we need to change our leader right now. i would have underplayed the impact of the uk's efforts in ukraine and the visit this weekend by the prime minister to hear. i think that will be playing on peoples minds as well. and also there will be other considerations in terms of looking ahead. does the prime minister still win elections or not? people remember he won in parts of the country that no conservative had one for many, many years so there is still some people i think giving him the benefit of the doubt but undoubtedly there will be wanting to see what they can set you and have to say about this and what they need music is across the country before they make any decisions. what music is across the country before they make any decisions. what about, with me i they make any decisions. what about, with me i think— they make any decisions. what about, with me i think listening _ they make any decisions. what about, with me i think listening to _ they make any decisions. what about, with me i think listening to some - with me i think listening to some reactions today around the country, some of the responses were visceral, i thought. it reminded me of the expenses scandal and that was back in 2009 but i am wondering, our colleague was saying, is it a turning point or a talking point? what do you reckon?— turning point or a talking point? what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. what do you reckon? well, only time will tell- i'm — what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. i'm sorry _ what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. i'm sorry to _ what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. i'm sorry to give _ what do you reckon? well, only time will tell. i'm sorry to give the - will tell. i'm sorry to give the copout answer but that is absolutely the case but you are right. this festival and that is why this has really hit home because there are lots of sort of government policies which are sort of obscure and nobody gives that much of a hoot about them but this was very clear. everyone can remember the prime minister telling the whole country, look, everybody, though, folks, this is incredibly serious and we have got to stick by these rules in order to save lives. to save the country and national health care system so it was immensely serious and people thought they were doing that. people were not able to visit dying loved ones and i don't think that anger will easily dissipate but to pick up and expand that and pick up on the point. i do think he has hit on the third at the real danger facing the conservatives is notjust from this but the sort of accumulated sense that they have been in power for a long time and there is something rather corrosive as critics would see it about boris johnson's rather corrosive as critics would see it about borisjohnson's conduct in public office. and of course, you can speak to some conservative mps were not command the tv and say it but they feel that, they sort of worry about lawbreaking. then you have to set against that there is another chunk of the population that i talked about earlier, sizeable minority, i suppose one might describe them is that at this point, just then, come on, good old boris. a different kind of leader and you can't expect him to behave the way previous prime ministers have behaved. what school of thought is going to prevail in the long term in british politics, the idea of the conservatives as corrosive or good old boris, a different kind of leader, i simply don't know. you thou~ht leader, i simply don't know. you thought the _ leader, i simply don't know. you thought the music _ leader, i simply don't know. you thought the music but you person has left before you did. thanks so much for staying on with us. thank you so much to all my guests. let's turn now to the conflict in ukraine. within the past couple of hours, the states' top diplomat antony blinken has said there is credible information that russia may use chemical weapons in its attempt to take the strategically important city of mariupol. his comments came as president vladimir putin was seen in public for the first time since his military shifted its focus away from kyiv. vladimir putin spent part of tuesday strolling around a spaceport in the far east of russia alongside one of his staunchest allies, the belarusian president alexander lu kashenko. he told the assembled media that he had no doubts russia would achieve all of its objectives — and he insisted his military operation was going to plan. translation: the goals are perfectly clear, they are noble. _ i said from the very beginning back in my first public statement - addressing the countryj and the armed forces, i directly set the goals. the main goal is to help the people in donbas, l the people of donbas which we've | recognised, and we had to do it. | so president putin is saying his focus is to help the people of the donbas, let's just pick up on that for a moment. the regions of donetsk and luhansk, close to ukraine's eastern border with russia is moscow's new military focus. the key to the entire area is the port city of mariupol, which has been under siege since the end of february. as battle for mariupol grinds on, the city's mayor says an estimated 21 thousand civilians have been killed there. there have also been unconfirmed reports that chemical weapons have been deployed. the claims originate from the a—zov battallion in mariupol. it alleges that a russian drone dropped a "poisonous substance" on troops and civilians in mariupol. the ukrainian defence ministry has said it's checking the reports , and the us defence department has said it cannot confirm them. let's bring in stephen rapp, who's a former international prosecutor and former us ambassador—at—large for global criminaljustice. welcome back. how could we know whether it is a chemical attack? how could that be verified?— could that be verified? well, it would take _ could that be verified? well, it would take an _ could that be verified? well, it would take an investigation - could that be verified? well, it| would take an investigation and could that be verified? well, it - would take an investigation and when you have a mechanism to do that, the organisation for the prevention of chemical warfare, the body that enforces the chemical weapons convention of which worships a party, can go in and investigate and even under recent practice, which the russians have objected to vociferously as it applies to syria, could determine who is responsible. do keep in mind this is not an easy situation to get into and it is quite complicated but certainly, one would hope that those that are in the place of preserving the evidence, preserving the ground around where this drone attack occurred and documenting how that material was collected and preserved so that we can get an accurate reading as to whether chemicals were used. this is consistent with the russian syrian strategy whether in this proceeding of a strategy in the city is not surrendering because obviously there are people who continue to survive and continue to live on underground and in shelters. and one of the ways you get to those people, entirely illegal, astute chemical weapons. you people, entirely illegal, astute chemical weapons.— people, entirely illegal, astute chemical weapons. chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line, chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line. do — chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line. do you _ chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line, do you think, _ chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line, do you think, in _ chemicalweapons. you know, is it a red line, do you think, in ukraine, i red line, do you think, in ukraine, you mention syria there. i think a lot of people felt it weakened the battle against the president of syria underformer us president barack 0bama when he didn't act following a chemical attack in that country. do you think of it could be proven, verified, would it make a difference, particularly with the involvement of nato, for example? well, i would think it would mean ratcheting up the pressure even more. to keep in mind that a very big bed liners already crossed, an aggressive war against the peaceful country. ukraine certainly had not done anything to disturb —— at least in the last eight years. and sadly they have death raining from the sky. that's the big red line which has not been cast had it all since world war ii. 0bviously has not been cast had it all since world war ii. obviously the world reacted to that. at least there is a massive bombardment of civilian neighbourhoods. this iath century siege wore a pair delete make, warfare and these vicious and brutal acts against civilians, against men, women and children working in gardens. we have crossed a lot of bad science but particularly a prospect that chemical weapons could be used in other versions have used them in another context, even in salisbury england with never a chore against a former agent and his daughter. the fact that they would do this does not surprise us but, of course, the prospect of them being used in the largest country in europe, ukraine, and what that means to everybody else on the continent, i think, is extremely serious and i think were to assess the tate that shooting things up even further in terms of sanctions. 50. shooting things up even further in terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating _ terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating imports _ terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating imports of— terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating imports of oil- terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. eliminating imports of oil and - terms of sanctions. so, sanctions. j eliminating imports of oil and gas, for instance. i eliminating imports of oil and gas, for instance-— eliminating imports of oil and gas, for instance. ., ., ., for instance. i have about a minute. would you — for instance. i have about a minute. would you see _ for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that _ for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that as _ for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that as a _ for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that as a red - for instance. i have about a minute. would you see that as a red line? . would you see that as a red line? would you see that as a red line? would you see that as a red line? would you like to see a sort of bits on the ground from nato if, in fact, chemical attack was proven to have happened? the chemical attack was proven to have ha ened? ., , ., ,, , happened? the one mistakes the united states _ happened? the one mistakes the united states made. _ happened? the one mistakes the united states made. it _ happened? the one mistakes the united states made. it was - happened? the one mistakes the | united states made. it was expert happened? the one mistakes the . united states made. it was expert at knowing _ united states made. it was expert at knowing what putin was going a predicting he would invade ukraine and then_ predicting he would invade ukraine and then we were late to get zelensky everything he needed. if anthony— zelensky everything he needed. if anthony thinking today knows that russia, _ anthony thinking today knows that russia, putin is going to use chemical— russia, putin is going to use chemical weapons, what doing today to stop _ chemical weapons, what doing today to stop that? this is not about what we're _ to stop that? this is not about what we're going — to stop that? this is not about what we're going to do after it happens. what _ we're going to do after it happens. what are _ we're going to do after it happens. what are we going to going to do to stop that? — what are we going to going to do to stop that? that is what we need to stou _ stop that? that is what we need to stou we _ stop that? that is what we need to stop. we need to make sure that red line does— stop. we need to make sure that red line does not get crossed. what happens — line does not get crossed. what happens it does? that is where the emphasis _ happens it does? that is where the emphasis should be. how happens it does? that is where the emphasis should be.— happens it does? that is where the emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify _ emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify an _ emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify an attack _ emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify an attack and - emphasis should be. how long might it take to verify an attack and i - it take to verify an attack and i just have 30 seconds? in it take to verify an attack and i just have 30 seconds?- it take to verify an attack and i just have 30 seconds? in case of the opc w it could _ just have 30 seconds? in case of the on w it could take _ just have 30 seconds? in case of the opc w it could take several- just have 30 seconds? in case of the opc w it could take several monthsl 0pc w it could take several months to do that. getting the absolute proof, versions will still say it is fake. to get the absolute rock solid proof is not something that can be done overnight. i proof is not something that can be done overnight.— done overnight. i have to leave it there. done overnight. i have to leave it there- thank _ done overnight. i have to leave it there. thank you _ done overnight. i have to leave it there. thank you for _ done overnight. i have to leave it there. thank you for turning - done overnight. i have to leave it i there. thank you for turning coming back on with us. stay right here on bbc news. stay right here on bbc news. hello there. it's been a bit of a soggy day across central northern parts of the uk, thanks to a pretty active weatherfront, which has been spreading its way northwards. further south, it's been dry with some sunshine, particularly across the southeast. but the rest of this week, it looks like high pressure will dominate the scene, so it will be largely settled, and for many of us, it's going to feel pretty warm for the time of year with those orange and yellow colours right across the uk. that's today's rain continuing to advance its way northwards this evening and overnight, becoming confined to the northeast of scotland and the northern isles. further south, it will be dry with clear spells. some mist and fog will develop, nowhere particularly cold, temperatures down to 7—10 degrees for many of us. for wednesday, then, we start off rather cloudy, damp across the north of scotland. the rain becoming confined to the northern isles. elsewhere, though, for the rest of scotland, northern ireland, england, wales, a brighter day with plenty of sunshine around. but there will be a few showers developing, especially in england and wales, as some of them could be heavy, perhaps even thundery. it will be a little bit warmer even further north tomorrow with temperatures generally in the mid to high teens. now, as we head through wednesday night, it looks like low cloud, mist and fog will become more extensive across some southern and western areas, particularly around irish sea coasts. but again, it's going to be a mild night, especially for england and wales. it does mean, though, thursday could be a little bit cloudier for many of us, particularly across the northern and western half of the uk. probably the best of the sunshine will again be across the east and the southeast, but a few holes will break up in that cloud further west as well, so we could see some sunny spells here and there. again, quite mild, mid to high teens, we could see 20—2i celsius in the southeast. now, as we move into the easter weekend, it looks like high pressure will continue to bring a lot of dry and settled weather, certainly for the first half of the weekend. i think as we get into easter sunday, perhaps easter monday, there is a chance that area of high pressure could break down and allow frontal systems to work their way in from the west, introducing a bit more cloud and some showers. at this stage of the picture, for good friday, looks pretty good, there will be higher pressure, light winds, a lot of dry and settled weather. some sunshine around, maybe just one or two showers out west, but i think most places will be dry, and again, it's going to be pretty warm, temperatures mid to high teens for many of us. then as we move through the easter weekend, although it will stay warm with a lot of dry and bright weather, like i mentioned, there is a chance of some rain trying to push in from the west. we have to stay tuned for the forecast for all of the details. hello, i'm nuala mcgovern. you're watching the context on bbc news. borisjohnson has been fined for breaking the law — in the police investigation into parties in downing street. 16 people are injured at a new york subway station as several commuters are shot on a train during the morning rush hour. after two weeks' covid lockdown in shanghai, officials admit they're struggling to feed the city's 25 million people. and as us inflation hits its highest level in a0 years, president biden is in iowa announcing measures to cut the cost of petrol. tonight with the context, anand menon, director of the think tank "uk in a changing europe" and mary anne marsh democratic strategist. welcome back to the programme. 16 people have been injured at a subway station in brooklyn, new york where several commuters were shot during the morning rush hour. ten suffered gunshot wounds, five in critical condition. we want to bring you some footage from the subway in brooklyn where this shooting has taken place. before we show it to you we should warn you that it is distressing. we can see people on the ground who are injured. you can see what apears to be smoke in the air. the authorities say the shooter is still at large in the city. the new york police department gave this update just before 8:2aam, as a manhattan bound n train waited to enter the st station, an individual on that train donned what appeared to be a gas mask. he then took a canister out of his bag and opened it. the train at that time began to fill with smoke. he then opened fire, striking multiple people on the subway and in the platform. again, we will describe him as an individual, being reported as a male, black, proximally five being reported as a male, black, proximally five foot five inches tall with a heavy build. he was wearing a green construction type vest and a hooded sweatshirt, the colour was gray. joining us now is nada tawfik who is at the scene in brooklyn we heard a little bit there on the suspect, but is the person still at large? any more details on that? yeah, the suspect is still at large and there is an intense manhunt under way, and even though you see the traffic opened behind me now, schools that ran lockdown, kids have been dismissed, this investigation is still very much ongoing. we actuallyjust heard from new york's mirror that the security cameras in this station were not working at the time, so that is a major setback for investigators in this. but they are at the moment still combing for any evidence. they've actually asked the public to please get in touch with the police if they have any information on the suspect. they believe he did come in a rented u haul truck before this attack, but they haven't released many more details. the other key thing they mentioned was that they don't believe this was a terror related incidents. they haven't completely ruled that out, that is their thinking at this stage. it ruled that out, that is their thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking — thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking for— thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking for the _ thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking for the people - thinking at this stage. it must be very shocking for the people of l thinking at this stage. it must be i very shocking for the people of new york. i was listening to the governor earlier and struck that she talked about no more underlining those words when talking about to cry and i think in the city. has this been an ongoing discussion the state? ., ., , ,., , ., , this been an ongoing discussion the state? ., ., , ,., , .,, . state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can to far state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back— state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back to _ state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back to the _ state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back to the last - state? yeah, it absolutely has. we can go far back to the last mayoral| can go far back to the last mayoral election which brought the new mayor and, he really wine on a platform of public safety, then we rang in the new year in new york, not really just in celebration, but with striking headlines of deadly shootings in the city. two cops killed. so this has been an ongoing debate, and in fact this mayor, this governor had pledged to be a little bit tougher on crime in terms of getting more officers in the streets, being tougher on prosecuting gun possession and, and that has been a very divisive debate here in new york as they try to balance that public safety and what needs to be done to get rising shootings under control. the need forjustice reform. the debate about racialjustice forjustice reform. the debate about racial justice as well, forjustice reform. the debate about racialjustice as well, so it's been a hot topic here in new york, but nevertheless, they seek shooting in the subway, this mass indiscriminate shooting in the subway, i think it really does make every new yorker think about their own safety and the need to remain vigilant in the subways. it's a very scary day for many here. of course such a core part of life people getting to work or to school, the people who were directly affected, earlier we were hearing 16 in jared, ten affected, earlier we were hearing 16 injared, ten with gunshot wounds, any more updates on their situation? yeah, the insured now are actually up yeah, the insured now are actually up to 29 people a. filth! not all of up to 29 people a. 0h! not all of them were _ up to 29 people a. 0h! not all of them were shot, but we know ten of them were shot, but we know ten of them were shot, but we know ten of them were shot. five of those people are in critical condition, but we have been told they are not life—threatening injuries. really, when we got here, you could just see the scale of the emergency response. they got people quickly to nearby hospitals, in fact, a train conductor on the train on the opposite side of the platform, once that train with the attacker came through, he urged everyone to get on so they could evacuate commuters to the next stop, so it was a lot of quick thinking and luck that new yorkers are counting themselves lucky that there were no deaths. as i say, five people in critical, but stable condition.— i say, five people in critical, but stable condition. thank you so much for speaking — stable condition. thank you so much for speaking to _ stable condition. thank you so much for speaking to us _ stable condition. thank you so much for speaking to us from _ stable condition. thank you so much for speaking to us from brooklyn - stable condition. thank you so much l for speaking to us from brooklyn new york. let's turn to my panelists with us, a shocking story. i think we all feel we know new york and know the subway weather from beating —— being there orfrom know the subway weather from beating —— being there or from the know the subway weather from beating —— being there orfrom the movies and it must�*ve been a frightening one for the people that were involved. �* , one for the people that were involved-— involved. it's appalling. our thoughts — involved. it's appalling. our thoughts are _ involved. it's appalling. our thoughts are with _ involved. it's appalling. our thoughts are with the - involved. it's appalling. our. thoughts are with the victims involved. it's appalling. our- thoughts are with the victims and their families. thoughts are with the victims and theirfamilies. it is thoughts are with the victims and their families. it is very hard to see things like this from the side of the atlantic and not think about guns. whenever you see these, you know, we know from our own recent experience, it's very hard to stop these unprovoked acts of violence. the big difference between the us and european countries is of course far more people get hurt in the us seemingly because far people have access to guns. that is always my first thought when you hear of these mass atrocities over there. we first thought when you hear of these mass atrocities over there.— first thought when you hear of these mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation — mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation last _ mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation last night _ mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation last night on _ mass atrocities over there. we had a conversation last night on the - conversation last night on the context of guns and traceable guns, and one of our panelists, republican mike shields, he felt strongly about the right to bear arms and we have been to that debate a number of times on this programme and others. as you are looking, and they know what you are in cape cod but you know new york, this incident, what are you thinking about when you see some of the details stop that i normally live in boston, but for years every monday morning i was in new york city, every day for years. the united states has a gun problem, just since january one of this year, there had been 136 mass shootings, killing 1a6 people so far, mercifully, no one lost their life today, but that speaks volumes will stop eric adams, the mayor of new york, not only did he run on a law and order platform, he is a normal —— former new york police officer. that's how he came to office. he has put 1000 new police officers on the subway alone. yes, the second amendment and the right to bear arms, fine, but they have become much easier to get with far fewer restrictions, no licenses, no training, restrictions, no licenses, no training.— restrictions, no licenses, no traininr, ~' ., ., , , ., , training, know anything can be any more to be — training, know anything can be any more to be able _ training, know anything can be any more to be able to _ training, know anything can be any more to be able to drive _ training, know anything can be any more to be able to drive a - training, know anything can be any more to be able to drive a car - training, know anything can be any more to be able to drive a car that| more to be able to drive a car that needed _ more to be able to drive a car that needed to— more to be able to drive a car that needed to own a gun in this country committed — needed to own a gun in this country committed think that tells you everything. look at what happened today _ everything. look at what happened today i_ everything. look at what happened today. i will add one last point, anyone — today. i will add one last point, anyone who shows up to the scene of anyone who shows up to the scene of a crime _ anyone who shows up to the scene of a crime and _ anyone who shows up to the scene of a crime and eu hall had a much bigger— a crime and eu hall had a much bigger plans in mind. that is not a luy bigger plans in mind. that is not a guy with _ bigger plans in mind. that is not a guy with a — bigger plans in mind. that is not a guy with a gun who wanted to shoot up guy with a gun who wanted to shoot up a subway car, which is not nothing _ up a subway car, which is not nothing is _ up a subway car, which is not nothinu. , , up a subway car, which is not nothinu. ,, , ,, up a subway car, which is not nothin.. , , , ~' ., nothing. is still shocking that he is at large- _ nothing. is still shocking that he is at large- i _ nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. iwill— nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. i will say _ nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. i will say a _ nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. i will say a part - nothing. is still shocking that he is at large. i will say a part of i is at large. i will say a part of the debate last night as well is that crime has so many facets our republican analyst feeling that guns is just one aspect, but i take your viewpoint and share it with our viewers as well. let's turn to covid now, shall be? 0fficials viewers as well. let's turn to covid now, shall be? officials in china's now, shall be? 0fficials in china's mega— now, shall be? officials in china's mega— city have admitted they are still struggling to beat shanghai's 20 million people. large suites at the area have now spent two weeks under strict lockdown. authorities are battling to contain a new wave of omicron as they try to prevent it from slipping across the country. the bbc has seen inside quarantine facilities are tens of thousands of people are being forcibly housed as china maintains what calls its zero covet strategy. in one of china's most advanced cities, the conditions for some are awful. translation: the moment i really broke down was when i entered - the cabin hospital. we spoke to this 26—year—old, she tested positive a few days ago. in china, symptoms are no symptoms, you are forced to quarantine. translation: we were first assigned to the shared area, j the conditions were terrible. my roommate and i found two camp beds, there was only one rest room and one watch space on each floor. and one wash space on each floor. many sleep next to each other. i was terrified. i broke down and cried. 0ur chinese media analyst kerry allenjoins me now. you are very welcome to the show. we are hearing some of those stories there that reports, what are you hearing and seeing as you look at chinese media and also social media sites? ~ ., ., chinese media and also social media sites? ~ ., , , sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media _ sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media is _ sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media is very _ sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media is very much - sites? well, today the emphasis in chinese media is very much that i chinese media is very much that cases are starting to go down. for the last ten days, it's been the case that cases have just been going up case that cases have just been going up and up and up, more than 20,000 both symptomatic and asymptomatic cases —— combined. they are starting to fall now and there are also media reports on batches of children who are starting to leave, and the case generally in china, this emphasis on positive news, so a lot of how the authorities are volunteering to help the city, see don't see this on people's struggles because the coping strategy does persist, and people are locked, and it's very much the case that when you have lockdowns, it's not the case with people just nipping to the shops and getting supplies. you are confined to your home. getting supplies. you are confined to your home-— to your home. what is going on in the city that _ to your home. what is going on in the city that people _ to your home. what is going on in the city that people were - to your home. what is going on in the city that people were not - to your home. what is going on in the city that people were not ablej the city that people were not able to be fed in the way that they needed to be able to get the essentials. i mean, what has happened in china? up the rest of the world perhaps is moving on where china isjust in a the world perhaps is moving on where china is just in a completely different sphere when it comes to covid—19. different sphere when it comes to covid-19. ~ , ,., , ~' covid-19. absolutely. i think in china, there _ covid-19. absolutely. i think in china, there was _ covid-19. absolutely. i think in china, there was an _ covid-19. absolutely. i think in | china, there was an expectation covid-19. absolutely. i think in - china, there was an expectation by the end of last year that by this time, people would be getting back to normal because china does have a huge vaccination rates, i've seen statistics today saying that they .3 billion vaccines have been administered in china, that's the main of 1.1 billion people having received three doses. so people should be effectively getting back to normal, but no, people do have frustrations about this, that they are still in their homes, in other regions that are on the border as well, but china's leading medical officials have said that this isn't going to change anytime soon, that china is still maintaining, this is best for china as a whole. i thank you very much. i want to turn to another aspect of covid, however, there was a lot of tough lockdowns as kerry was telling us there in china can i want to show you this stat, this from the united states, they found that just stat, this from the united states, they found thatjust 9% of people in they found thatjust 9% of people in the state still see the pandemic is a serious crisis. so less than wine in every ten people.— in every ten people. what do you make of that _ in every ten people. what do you make of that when _ in every ten people. what do you make of that when you see, - in every ten people. what do you make of that when you see, i - make of that when you see, i suppose, the numbers being so different, and also perhaps the actions being so different between it somewhere like china and then the united states. i5 it somewhere like china and then the united states.— united states. is interesting, isn't it? as we have — united states. is interesting, isn't it? as we have just _ united states. is interesting, isn't it? as we havejust heard, - united states. is interesting, isn't it? as we havejust heard, china l united states. is interesting, isn't| it? as we havejust heard, china is trying to implement a zero covet policy which isn't working. thank ou in policy which isn't working. thank you in shanghai _ policy which isn't working. thank you in shanghai alone, _ policy which isn't working. thank you in shanghai alone, 26,000 i policy which isn't working. thank you in shanghai alone, 26,000 cases in the _ you in shanghai alone, 26,000 cases in the last— you in shanghai alone, 26,000 cases in the last week. they are trying to live with _ in the last week. they are trying to live with a — in the last week. they are trying to live with a bed and what we see here is high _ live with a bed and what we see here is high case — live with a bed and what we see here is high case numbers and there are two things— is high case numbers and there are two things about this that worry me. the incidence of lung covet we have seen reports published over the last couple _ seen reports published over the last couple of— seen reports published over the last couple of days about the impact this is having _ couple of days about the impact this is having on— couple of days about the impact this is having on the work for us, and secondly, — is having on the work for us, and secondly, of— is having on the work for us, and secondly, of course, as long as this disease _ secondly, of course, as long as this disease is _ secondly, of course, as long as this disease is with us, there is a risk of new_ disease is with us, there is a risk of new variants emerging that are more _ of new variants emerging that are more resistant to the vaccine. so having _ more resistant to the vaccine. so having these high case numbers i think— having these high case numbers i think should still be a case, a cause — think should still be a case, a cause for— think should still be a case, a cause for all of us.— think should still be a case, a cause for all of us. marianne, you know, cause for all of us. marianne, you know. one _ cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, _ cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, and _ cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, and i _ cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, and i want - cause for all of us. marianne, you know, one thing, and i want to i cause for all of us. marianne, you i know, one thing, and i want to thank you for being with us, one thing that struck me as i was watching some of the stories that robin and carrie were telling us is at the beginning of the pandemic, china was taking a lot of action against cases while i think the west was staying away, for example are thinking perhaps it couldn't happen here. do you have any concerns about what china seems to be going through at the moment when the picture seems so different than people's attitudes are so different in the united states and the west? the contrast can be more _ states and the west? the contrast can be more straight— states and the west? the contrast can be more straight cash - states and the west? the contrast can be more straight cash start. i states and the west? the contrast i can be more straight cash start. you are seeing a rebellion because people are being fed. in the united states and the west, people are done with covid, but covid is not done with covid, but covid is not done with us. see people not wearing masks any more, no social distancing, you know, there's still a few places like the subway in new york, think the outcome of this morning where that came in handy, wearing masks, but for the most part, people think it's over, and as a result, you are already seeing a new variant, basically coming across the country, going up the east coast, look at other people in washington, dc who came down with covet, including the speaker of the house and many others just in the last few days, and he is exactly right. we are going to keep going to the cycles of variance in the getting worse and different all along unless we really take more actions to try to end it, and we have not done that yet. it has become so political, people do not want to wear masks any more, they don't want to be told what to do, so around the world, i think dressing people really bucking against it, but that's not going to get us out of this, in the last point here is not on the lung covet, but we have not on the lung covet, but we have no idea what the long—term effects, evenif no idea what the long—term effects, even if you bounce back from covid, what it is on your respiratory system, your cardiovascular system, your brain, your neurological system. there is so much we don't know yet, but everyone is just done. it's very interesting, those figures, 3.3 billion vaccinations that have been dispensed so far. we will continue to watch that. i do want to move on to inflation. inflation has reached a a0 year high in the united states, spurred by the soaring cost of energy. the consumer price index rose to 8.5% year on year — the fastest pace since the early days of ronald reagan's presidency. high petrol prices accounted for half of the inflation spike in march. wages are also rising — but not by as much. the president is in iowa today to push his economic agenda. to try and help ease the burden of inflation, joe biden has already released some of the us' emergency petrol reserves. he's also extending e15 gasoline — — thats a particular fuel that uses a 15% ethanol blend and is typically banned from sale from june to september due to its high rate of pollution. mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics joins me now. mark, get happy with us. thank you so much for coming on the step when you see this inflation rate of 8.5%, did you expect it? it seems so high i think for people to think of like from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably _ from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably does _ from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably does not. _ from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably does not. we i from one year to the next. dismal, but predictably does not. we knew| but predictably does not. we knew that we were going to see a big jump in the month, and up a lot over the past year, most recently it's because of the russian invasion of ukraine and the surge in oil prices, natural gas prices, commodity prices more broadly, fingerprints of the invasion are all over this report, and you mentioned gasoline because of diesel prices, airline tickets, you can really see the damage that the invasion is doing. in terms of high inflation. i the invasion is doing. in terms of high inflation.— high inflation. i did see a line cominu high inflation. i did see a line coming in _ high inflation. i did see a line coming in saying _ high inflation. i did see a line coming in saying that - high inflation. i did see a line coming in saying that i i high inflation. i did see a line i coming in saying that i pollutant price hike in because 70% of the us march inflation. but how much of it is to do with it with ukraine? i think in march it was a must entirely russian ukraine, that's not the only thing going on, the pandemic itself has been a major hit to global supply chains, that's caused shortages and price increases, scrambled labour markets, a lot of people got sick and couldn't work, it's taken a while for them to get back to work. so when you think about it, we are struggling globally with two massive global supply shops, the pandemic and now the russian invasion. in some respects, it's not surprising we are grappling with us. the other thing that's going on, the economy is growing very rapidly, and jobs coming in, interest rates need to get up higher so that we don't completely overdo it. taste get up higher so that we don't completely overdo it.- get up higher so that we don't completely overdo it. we are 'ust talkinu completely overdo it. we are 'ust talking about fl completely overdo it. we are 'ust talking about covid i completely overdo it. we are 'ust talking about covid in i completely overdo it. we are 'ust talking about covid in china i completely overdo it. we are just talking about covid in china in i talking about covid in china in there and some of the aspects, people being in isolation and much higherfigures and they people being in isolation and much higher figures and they would be in the west with the same symptoms or, you know, for contracting covid, and i suppose that must have an effect on supply as well. it i suppose that must have an effect on supply as well-— on supply as well. it sure does. most of the _ on supply as well. it sure does. most of the damage _ on supply as well. it sure does. most of the damage from i on supply as well. it sure does. most of the damage from the l on supply as well. it sure does. i most of the damage from the supply chain disruptions are back at a belt away. i don't know if you remember, but that was back in the summer and fall of last year. that is when china and the rest of southeast asia shut down. all that supply chains begin their will stop so that really created havoc. 0micron and now this. fortunately, china is getting a little bit more judicious and fortunately, china is getting a little bit morejudicious and how they are handling this, so i think they are handling this, so i think the problems have really affected reports yet, but if they do, it will just exacerbate the inflation that we are suffering through right now. let me turn to you on this, some people not so happy about it, feel it is polluting. i wonder, how do you think it affects, of course, this is the measure he is bringing in, joe biden, to try to lower gas prices. how do you think it affects his green credentials, particularly perhaps looking towards midterms or may be that price of goods is more important for voters?— may be that price of goods is more important for voters? yeah, the use of ethanol doesn't _ important for voters? yeah, the use of ethanol doesn't help, _ important for voters? yeah, the use of ethanol doesn't help, to - important for voters? yeah, the use of ethanol doesn't help, to view i of ethanol doesn't help, to view with some — of ethanol doesn't help, to view with some voters on his green credentials, but the number one issue _ credentials, but the number one issue with — credentials, but the number one issue with the midterms coming up, this november, the cost of living. it's gasoline, its groceries commits everything — it's gasoline, its groceries commits everything across the board, so i think— everything across the board, so i think what— everything across the board, so i think what is more important, if you want _ think what is more important, if you want to— think what is more important, if you want to keep the house in the senate, — want to keep the house in the senate, which i think democrats can do, senate, which i think democrats can do. but _ senate, which i think democrats can do, but boy— senate, which i think democrats can do, but boy is it a tough road, you have _ do, but boy is it a tough road, you have to _ do, but boy is it a tough road, you have to start, _ do, but boy is it a tough road, you have to start, i would evoke cash across _ have to start, i would evoke cash across every industry. get them to be producing seven days a week, 24 hours _ be producing seven days a week, 24 hours a _ be producing seven days a week, 24 hours a day, — be producing seven days a week, 24 hours a day, whether it's food, gasoline, — hours a day, whether it's food, gasoline, drilling, all of that, so you are — gasoline, drilling, all of that, so you are showing people you are trying _ you are showing people you are trying to — you are showing people you are trying to reduce the prices can increase — trying to reduce the prices can increase the supply, and at the same time, _ increase the supply, and at the same time, go _ increase the supply, and at the same time, go after the increase the supply, and at the same time, go afterthe industries increase the supply, and at the same time, go after the industries that are gouging, but to your point, it's are gouging, but to your point, it's a perfect _ are gouging, but to your point, it's a perfect storm of circumstances that goes — a perfect storm of circumstances that goes from labour, to fertilise a comment if you will come across the board — a comment if you will come across the board that's affecting this, withjoe — the board that's affecting this, withjoe biden and the democrats have to _ withjoe biden and the democrats have to show that they are doing something about it to make sure they win. ., ., .., , something about it to make sure they win. ., ., , , ,. win. that of course is the picture in the us, _ win. that of course is the picture in the us, this — win. that of course is the picture in the us, this is _ win. that of course is the picture in the us, this is a _ win. that of course is the picture in the us, this is a global- in the us, this is a global picture as well. and 98.5% we are relating to the states, how do you see it really, this surge in prices of energy and other, the cost of living, how do you see it manifesting in regular people's lives? ., , ., lives? you see a globally committed one of the reasons _ lives? you see a globally committed one of the reasons we _ lives? you see a globally committed one of the reasons we are _ lives? you see a globally committed one of the reasons we are seeing i one of the reasons we are seeing those scenes is spiralling food prices. that's one of the reasons why the police have to clamp down. he stayed in different ways in different countries, rising energy prices, and we are due to go up off the... ijust want prices, and we are due to go up off the... i just want to prices, and we are due to go up off the... ijust want to pick up on one thing, one of the things that's happening in the us is they are not increasing domestic production, fracking has actually gone down since the ukraine crisis started because of company's fears of crashing the price and damaging investors. so in what is needed is governmental action to force producers to produce more. an interesting issue here for everyone, which is that the us is normally energy independent, but the premise is that energy is a global market, short of the dramatic action she was talking about, we cannot force producers to produce, but it may be something the us government has to think about, particularly with those midterms and nine.— think about, particularly with those midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even _ midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if _ midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if we _ midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if we look _ midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if we look at - midterms and nine. yes, how do you see this? even if we look at the i see this? even if we look at the united states, what doesjoe biden need to do, do you think is mack exactly what he's doing. he mentioned the release from the strategic— mentioned the release from the strategic reserve, i think it's made a lrig _ strategic reserve, i think it's made a big difference. i don't know that will lower— a big difference. i don't know that will lower prices, but i think it limits— will lower prices, but i think it limits the _ will lower prices, but i think it limits the increase in potential prices — limits the increase in potential prices i— limits the increase in potential prices. i think it's required, nobody— prices. i think it's required, nobody likes to do that, but i think that's— nobody likes to do that, but i think that's entirely appropriate in the context— that's entirely appropriate in the context of the very significant financial— context of the very significant financial pain that many americans, lower— financial pain that many americans, lower income americans are going there _ lower income americans are going there i_ lower income americans are going there. i also think it's important that europe gets off of russian oil and natural gas, but not to mark, because _ and natural gas, but not to mark, because if— and natural gas, but not to mark, because if they do, oil and natural -as because if they do, oil and natural gas the _ because if they do, oil and natural gas the global economy will likely io gas the global economy will likely go into— gas the global economy will likely go into recession, trying to rein in russia _ go into recession, trying to rein in russia so — go into recession, trying to rein in russia so a — go into recession, trying to rein in russia. so a very, very important that europe — russia. so a very, very important that europe gets off on russian oil and gas _ that europe gets off on russian oil and gas in — that europe gets off on russian oil and gas. in a way that isn't too disruptive _ and gas. in a way that isn't too disruptive to the global energy market — disruptive to the global energy market. in disruptive to the global energy market. g; :: disruptive to the global energy market. ;;:: , , ,, , market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see “obs market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see jobs advertised _ market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see jobs advertised everywhere, - market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see jobs advertised everywhere, you i market. in 30 seconds, mark, we see| jobs advertised everywhere, you know what i mean? that there is actually employment opportunities. how unusual is that that you have that happening at the same time of this race of inflation and cost of living? race of inflation and cost of livin: ? ~ ., �* , race of inflation and cost of livinu? . ., �*, ., race of inflation and cost of livinu? ., living? well, that's not typical, stron: living? well, that's not typical, strong economy _ living? well, that's not typical, strong economy high _ living? well, that's not typical, strong economy high inflation, | living? well, that's not typical, i strong economy high inflation, high inflation _ strong economy high inflation, high inflation isn't, it's largely not related — inflation isn't, it's largely not related to what is going on in the labour— related to what is going on in the labour market. that is supply chains. — labour market. that is supply chains, that's russia's invasion. i think— chains, that's russia's invasion. i think that's — chains, that's russia's invasion. i think that's where the problem really— think that's where the problem really lies. untilwe think that's where the problem really lies. until we get to the other— really lies. until we get to the other side of the pandemic, inflation _ other side of the pandemic, inflation will be a problem. gk, other side of the pandemic, inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that _ inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that could _ inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that could be _ inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that could be a _ inflation will be a problem. ok, and we know that could be a very - we know that could be a very long road. i want to thank you all. thanks forjoining us here and you for watching the context on bbc news. hello there. a damn start to this week. certainly wet on tuesday, but after tuesday, week. certainly wet on tuesday, but aftertuesday, it looks week. certainly wet on tuesday, but after tuesday, it looks like the rest of this week should begins to building. one thing we will all notices it's going to turn warm, not across southern areas, that warmer air will be pretty noticeable across the north of the uk. wednesday certainly will be a warmer day for most areas. we still have that weather front across the north of scotland, the northern isles, the wet weather across parts of the country on tuesday. it will become confined to the northern isles, but elsewhere, it should be a much better picture for wednesday, some sunny spells around generally, starting to see some showers developing into the afternoon in response to those rising temperatures. some of them could be on the heavy thundery side. with generally light winds, they won't move very far, some areas could catch these downpours. temperatures reaching the mid to high teens or many of us can even across central seven scotland, but we can still make 19 or 20 degrees across the warmer spots in the southeast. showers will tend to fade away during wednesday night as we reach the early hours of thursday, we can start to see local admin standby becoming a bit more extensive, particularly across southern and western areas. nowhere is going to be particular called, a mild night for most. for a thursday, and area of high—pressure beginning to build income and that will tend to keep these weather fronts out west at bay, so it looks like most places will be dry on thursday, but it could be rather cloudy to begin a particularly across in and western areas. forthe particularly across in and western areas. for the afternoon, we should see a few holes being plunged into the cloud to allow for sunny spells, the cloud to allow for sunny spells, the best of it across england and wales. we will see the highest of the temperatures again with light winds. it will be mild as well for north into scotland. as of 11—1516. as we move into friday, that's what the front edge of it for the easter eggs, so i think apart from the odd showerfor eggs, so i think apart from the odd shower for the eggs, so i think apart from the odd showerfor the far west of eggs, so i think apart from the odd shower for the far west of the uk, most places should stay dry, again, under the influence of high—pressure. variable amounts of cloud, some sunny spells, the best of these across england and wales where once again it will turn quite warm. temperatures knocking on the door of the 20 celsius mark for many. again, the mid to high teens even further north. pretty warm for the time of year. now, as we move into the first part of easter weekend, high pressure will continue to bring finance settled conditions, keeping these weather fronts at bay, so saturday looks fine, i think i'm at the stage for most of us, plenty of sunshine around, light southeasterly winds across england and wales, by fracture across north sea coast. at that marcotte across the far west closer to those weather fronts. they could develop a shower later in the day. most places dry and feeling quite warm through saturday. now, through easter sunday and beyond, there could be a? for this area of high—pressure being declined and allows this area of low pressure to push and from the west whereby it will turn a little bit more unsettled. that also goes as we head into the following week as well, low pressure could be influencing our weather more. and if it does so, it could bring something slightly fresher, slightly cooler off the atlantic to our shores, bringing temperatures a bit closer to the seasonal norm, in fact. so there could be the shower pushing into the western area for each and perhaps the shower as well for easter monday. behind as we move into the following week, we will see those temperatures just edging down somewhat, closer to the seasonal norm. even that said, despite there being a few showers around, we will continue to see quite a bit of sunshine to. tonight at ten... borisjohnson becomes the first sitting prime minister to be found to have broken the law. both he and the chancellor have been fined and have apologised for breaching covid rules at a downing street party for mrjohnson's birthday during lockdown. in all frankness, at that time it did not occur to me that this might have been a breach of the rules. but of course, the police have found otherwise and i fully respect the outcome of their investigation. they've dishonoured their office. and then they lied to the public about it. britain deserves better. they have to go. neither man has offered his resignation, and some cabinet ministers have signalled their support — but what do voters think?

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