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have been relaxed. but will lateral flows be enough to stop covid spreading? have you had problems obtaining lateral flow tests? do you have concerns about how the system is going to work? we'd like to hear from you. get in touch at @annitabbc with #bbcyourquestions. lawyers for anne sacoolas, the american woman accused of causing the death of harry dunn, deny she's agreed to face criminal proceedings in a uk court. new figures this morning show the number ofjob vacancies continues to rise and the number of those out of work continues to fall. the new spider—man film is on its way, with tom holland returning to spin those superhero webs. hello and welcome to bbc news. borisjohnson could face the biggest tory backbench revolt since he entered downing street when mps vote on new covid rules for england. as many as 70 conservative mps have indicated that they're prepared to vote against the government plan b covid rules for tackling the omicron variant. the prime minister has defended his plans as a "proportionate" response to the rising cases. mps are due to vote on a series of measures. new rules on facemasks which came into force last week. face coverings have become compulsory in most indoor settings, except for pubs and restaurants. a measure allowing fully vaccinated people who have been exposed to a positive covid case to avoid self—isolation if they take daily lateral flow tests for seven days and receive a negative result. the introduction of a covid pass which would ensure that someone can only enter a large venue if they can prove they are fully vaccinated or have a negative lateral flow test result. and there will be a vote on making it compulsory for front—line nhs staff in england to be fullyjabbed. it comes as the nhs is put on its highest level of emergency preparedness — a "level four national incident" has been declared. hospitals have been ordered to free up as many beds as possible, discharging some patients to hotels under plans set out by health leaders. vaccine clinics will run around the clock to give boosterjabs, and the prime minister has appealed for volunteers. more on that in a minute, but first, here's our political correspondent ben wright. it is, says the government, a race between the virus and the vaccine, and people have been rushing to receive their boosterjab after ministers warned of a tidal wave of infection caused by the omicron variant of covid. that has meant delays for some people trying to access appointments and a fresh government call for vaccine volunteers. no variant of covid—19 has spread this fast. in the commons yesterday, the health secretary, sajid javid, said omicron now represented 20% of cases in england and was accelerating fast. the booster programme has been expanded, with anyone over 18 able to book a jab from wednesday. that means nhs resources are being switched to focus on delivering vaccines and urgent clinical care. the health service in england has been put on its highest level of emergency readiness — level four, national incident — meaning it can be coordinated at a national level. a letter from nhs bosses says even with the protection of boosterjabs, the threat from omicron remains serious, and the number of people requiring care could be significant. in the commons today, there will be a series of votes, beefing up public health protections in england. there will be one on more mandatory mask wearing. another on replacing self isolation with daily testing for people exposed to a positive case of the omicron variant. but it's the plan to require a negative covid test, or proof of vaccination status, to attend crowded events that has riled many tory mps. i don't think we are in a situation, nor should — i don't think we are in a situation, nor should we be in a country where you have _ nor should we be in a country where you have to— nor should we be in a country where you have to provide, upon inspection, from the police, and i have _ inspection, from the police, and i have started to see photos, i was looking _ have started to see photos, i was looking last night at some photographs coming from italy where, in a restaurant, the police went into a _ in a restaurant, the police went into a restaurant and asked to inspect— into a restaurant and asked to inspect everybody's vaccination certificates. i don't think we live in a certificates. idon't think we live in a country— certificates. i don't think we live in a country where that sort of thing — in a country where that sort of thing is — in a country where that sort of thing is acceptable, nor do we want to see _ thing is acceptable, nor do we want to see it _ up to 70 conservatives may rebel against the government, arguing that these restrictions go too far. these votes will be judged as a test of borisjohnson�*s authority over his party too. a beleaguered prime minister who may well need labour mps to get his policy through. ben wright, bbc news, westminster. let's talk to our chief political correspondent adam fleming. adam, a busy day ahead in the house of commons, a series of votes, as we have been setting out, what have you been hearing about the day ahead? is there anything borisjohnson can say to those 70 odd conservative rebels to those 70 odd conservative rebels to change their minds? it to those 70 odd conservative rebels to change their minds?— to change their minds? it may be hiuher to change their minds? it may be higher than _ to change their minds? it may be higher than 70. _ to change their minds? it may be higher than 70, because - to change their minds? it may be higher than 70, because some i to change their minds? it may be i higher than 70, because some have counted it even higher, newsnight were saying it might be 100, although it may be lower, because there may be inducements for people, jobs dangled in front of them, or threats made during the day, or may be the developing situation with omicron out in the real world will make people reassess their political position. but the main focus of opposition on this idea of covid certificate in england, so showing either a negative test or proof of vaccination to get into a nightclub or large indoor or outdoors event. the government has already tried to smooth the edges of that, initially the proposal was only for it to be a vaccination certificate. they have addedin vaccination certificate. they have added in the option of a negative test. the list of venues where it will apply is very narrow, more narrow than other nations in the uk, and there are all sorts of exemptions for things like churches and even places where all your customers or visitors will arrive in one time and you don't have the facility to check their covid passes, you can do spot checks instead. but all that seems to have fallen on deaf ears, and rather than reduce the potential number of rebels, it has increased, so we are left with the government, in the shape of dominic raab, saying to people, please vote for it. the reality is for the government we have to _ the reality is for the government we have to do _ the reality is for the government we have to do the right thing is we see it for— have to do the right thing is we see it for the _ have to do the right thing is we see it for the country, and of course we want _ it for the country, and of course we want to— it for the country, and of course we want to carry — it for the country, and of course we want to carry with us as many people as possible — want to carry with us as many people as possible. but the big emphasis is on the _ as possible. but the big emphasis is on the booster, ramp up booster campaign, — on the booster, ramp up booster campaign, it is going well but it is ambitious, — campaign, it is going well but it is ambitious, we are straining every sinew _ ambitious, we are straining every sinew we — ambitious, we are straining every sinew. we need to take these precautionary, proportionate measures while we ramp that up, and in fairness. _ measures while we ramp that up, and in fairness, while we work out and establish — in fairness, while we work out and establish the full severity of omicron, because as i said, we still only have _ omicron, because as i said, we still only have partial information about how damaging it will be, but if we didnt— how damaging it will be, but if we didn't take — how damaging it will be, but if we didn't take these measures, you would _ didn't take these measures, you would he — didn't take these measures, you would be saying, why haven't we acted _ would be saying, why haven't we acted more swiftly? we heard keir starmer say that labour would be— we heard keir starmer say that labour would be supporting these measures, labour would be supporting these measures. he _ labour would be supporting these measures, he said _ labour would be supporting these measures, he said it _ labour would be supporting these measures, he said it was - labour would be supporting these measures, he said it was in - labour would be supporting these measures, he said it was in the i measures, he said it was in the interests of the country to do so, public spirited. but we'll all labour mps be supporting them, particularly that controversial one of covid passports? and what about the lib dems? i’m of covid passports? and what about the lib dems?— the lib dems? i'm not sure about labour, i imagine _ the lib dems? i'm not sure about labour, i imagine there _ the lib dems? i'm not sure about labour, i imagine there are - the lib dems? i'm not sure about labour, i imagine there are some the lib dems? i'm not sure about. labour, i imagine there are some on the labour benches who have cried in common with the tory rebels when it comes to civil liberties who might be opposed to this too. the lib dems are out and out opposed to it, they think it is an illiberal measure, but when you add up all the permutations, the legislation is sailing through, it will be on the statute books. i think what will be important for the government is what this does two borisjohnson's relationship with his backbenchers, and does it actually reduce the political space available if any further measures are required to deal with the omicron variant. you can imagine, if the scientists suggest in a couple of days or weeks some more stringent measures are required, and they have already dropped hints that is how they feel, thenit dropped hints that is how they feel, then it may be very difficult for borisjohnson to get then it may be very difficult for boris johnson to get these then it may be very difficult for borisjohnson to get these through without yet again relying on labour votes. that is all totally theoretical. and then it is just what it does to borisjohnson's standing within the party long term, a bit of authority has drained away from him, will a little bit more drain away tonight, and then there is a by—election on thursday, in what could it be considered a safe tory seat, does more authority drain away from that? or is it like some of these rebellions we have had in the past on previous conservative prime minister is, where they seem dramatic at the time but everyone gets to shake their fist at the prime minister but then settle down. but we may be in an era when things do not settle down! just but we may be in an era when things do not settle down!— do not settle down! just one more ruestion do not settle down! just one more question for _ do not settle down! just one more question for now, _ do not settle down! just one more question for now, one _ do not settle down! just one more question for now, one of- do not settle down! just one more question for now, one of the - do not settle down! just one more question for now, one of the key | question for now, one of the key reasons the government is saying it wants all mps to back these measures today, to back these votes today is today, to back these votes today is to protect the nhs. the deputy prime minister, dominic raab, has been talking about the numbers of people in hospital with the omicron variant, but he got his number is mixed up this morning, didn't he? yeah, he was speaking on sky news, so maybe the bbc is a bit more accurate, as usual! you can't rely on a guess, though! he has now been corrected by officials, but there are a few numbers floating about, we still think there are ten people in hospital in england with omicron, whether that is that they contracted it in hospital or arrived in hospital. the prime minister yesterday said there had been one death, but the health secretary also said yesterday, and incredibly eye—catching statement to parliament, that there were 200,000 cases of omicron every day according to the uk health security agency. now, quite often we stay clear of the numbers of infections, and we go with the number of confirmed cases, because that is a more precise number, because it is confirmed by pcr tests, but the health secretary obviously feeling that talking about the number of infections will give people a sense, a bit of urgency, because i think the government is worried that people have heard the message that omicron is less mild and less severe, i should say, and so they have to worry about it a bit less. the government would like them to worry about is quite a lot. shadow to worry about is quite a lot. adam flemin: , to worry about is quite a lot. adam fleming. thank _ to worry about is quite a lot. adam fleming, thank you _ to worry about is quite a lot. adam fleming, thank you very _ to worry about is quite a lot. adam fleming, thank you very much. - let's talk now about the pressure the nhs is under, particularly with the demands of the new booster programme. matthew taylor is the chief executive of the nhs confederation, a membership body for organisations that commission and provide nhs services in england. thank you for your time this morning. spell out why the decision was made to put the nhs on this level four footing, national incident, the highest level of emergency preparedness. well, as the prime minister — emergency preparedness. well, as the prime minister has _ emergency preparedness. well, as the prime minister has said, _ emergency preparedness. well, as the prime minister has said, we _ emergency preparedness. well, as the prime minister has said, we are - emergency preparedness. well, as the prime minister has said, we are now. prime minister has said, we are now involved in a race. omicron is clearly a strain which spreads very quickly, we don't yet know about the severity, it does look as though throwing jabs is an awful lot better than two, and we need to do absolutely everything we can to reduce the spread whilst we expand the booster programme. and if we don't do that, the danger is that we will have an increase in the numbers of people requiring hospital care at a time which could not be worse for the nhs. it is always the case that the nhs. it is always the case that the nhs. it is always the case that the nhs is under pressure in winter, but we have never seen the level of pressure on all parts of the health service, so we really must, as a nation, do everything we can to try to avoid getting to a position, which we could face injanuary, which we could face injanuary, which is the nhs under unprecedented strain and fast rising numbers of people needing care in hospital. 50 people needing care in hospital. so what is your message to those mps who are thinking of voting against these measures? i who are thinking of voting against these measures?— who are thinking of voting against these measures? i would ask them to think about the _ these measures? i would ask them to think about the health _ these measures? i would ask them to think about the health service. - these measures? i would ask them to think about the health service. we - think about the health service. we hear every day people complementing the health service, and the workers in the health service, for the tireless work they have done over what is getting on for two years. please think about them. i think the question is this — is it betterfor some of us to have some minor inconvenience, to demonstrate for example that we have had the booster jab, or that we accept a higher level of risk and that danger, that the nhs workers will find themselves under incredible pressure in january, the whole system at breaking point, so it is a matter of balance. nobody wants restrictions, nobody likes wearing masks, nobody likes having to prove when they go into a venue that they have had a jab. it is a question of the balance priorities, and as an organisation that speaks for the nhs, i would say to them, think about the national health service, talk to people who work in the nhs in your constituency, and ask them whether they think we should do everything we can to slow the spread of this virus until we have had a booster. i am pretty sure that whether you are talking to gps, hospital consultants, nurses, social care assistance, they will all say it is better for us to restrict our freedoms a little bit than to take that risk of an nhs and care system already under terrible strain having to cope with a rising number of people in hospital. fine to cope with a rising number of people in hospital.— people in hospital. one of the measures _ people in hospital. one of the measures being _ people in hospital. one of the measures being voted - people in hospital. one of the measures being voted on - people in hospital. one of the l measures being voted on today people in hospital. one of the - measures being voted on today is on the question of mandatory vaccinations for front line nhs staff. i wonder to what extent you are able to gauge whether or not thatis are able to gauge whether or not that is significantly adding to pressure if some staff don't want to have those vaccinations and therefore are out of commission. so therefore are out of commission. sr therefore are out of commission. sr the nhs is doing everything it can to get every single person to have a vaccination, doing some great work to engage with staff, to identify those people who haven't, to speak to them and to explain to them the consequences of not having the jab and the consequences for their employment. so, you know, it is an additional pressure on top of the other ones that we have, but it is what we are doing, and i guess what we would say to the government is, please, do keep this under consideration. let'sjust make please, do keep this under consideration. let's just make sure that we are not heading for a point at which the systems are driven under pressure and we are losing the people that we need. at the moment, what nhs leaders are doing, amongst all the other pressures they face, is identifying staff who have not been vaccinated and engaging with them, and we are reducing every day them, and we are reducing every day the number of people in the nhs who are not vaccinated.— are not vaccinated. matthew taylor ofthe are not vaccinated. matthew taylor of the nhs confederation, - are not vaccinated. matthew taylor of the nhs confederation, thank i are not vaccinated. matthew taylor i of the nhs confederation, thank you very much for your time this morning. a couple of pieces of breaking news to bring you. if you are trying to get a lateral flow test this morning, to order some lateralflow test this morning, to order some lateral flow tests, and we will be talking about lateral flow test in just a minute, well, unfortunately you won't be able to get any. if we can show the website... i think we can show the website... i think we can injust a second. you can show the website... i think we can in just a second. you will see that there are no rapid lateral flow test available to order today for home delivery. so clearly, you know, a big issue, you might be running around your local pharmacies, other sources, to try to get hold of them, but if you want to order them for home delivery, there are none available to order today. and news coming into us from south africa, and this is a study released by one of south africa's largest private health insurance administrators, which is in the two doses of the pfizer biontech covid vaccine appear to have given 70% protection against hospitalisation in south africa in recent weeks. now, the study is based on more than 211,000 positive covid—19 test results, 78,000 of which were attributed to the omicron variant. however, there is a bit of a caveat with theirs. these 78,000 results are not confirmed omicron cases, therefore the world health organization is saying it is not able to draw conclusive findings about this variant, labelled of concern by the who. but the initial studies in the two doses of the pfizer biontech covid vaccine appear to have given 70% protection against hospitalisation in south africa in recent weeks. of course, a lot of people looking to the data coming out of south africa to see exactly how much we need to be worried about this particular variant. one of the measures that will be voted on will allow fully vaccinated people who have been exposed to a positive covid case to avoid self—isolation if they take daily lateral flow tests and receive a negative result. this one isn't expected to provoke a rebellion among conservative backbenchers. let's speak now with callum semple, professor of outbreak medicine at the university of liverpool. good to see you, as ever. good morning- _ good to see you, as ever. good morning- do — good to see you, as ever. good morning. do you _ good to see you, as ever. good morning. do you think - good to see you, as ever. good morning. do you think that - good to see you, as ever. good l morning. do you think that using lateral flow _ morning. do you think that using lateral flow test _ morning. do you think that using lateral flow test in _ morning. do you think that using lateral flow test in this _ morning. do you think that using lateral flow test in this way - morning. do you think that using lateral flow test in this way as i morning. do you think that using lateral flow test in this way as a l lateral flow test in this way as a proportionate response in the right response, the right balance of dealing with the risk while allowing people to carry on with their lives? yes, forgive me, i need to start by saying that although i do attend site meetings, i am speaking in a personal capacity and talking about some research that colleagues here have been involved in. early on in the outbreak, modellers at the london school of hygiene and tropical medicine did some mathematics to show that a daily lateral flow test, because it gives you almost instant results, would overall, if used on a daily basis, allow you to be tested and released back into the community and avoid quarantine if you were in contact. in liverpool, we took that theoretical work into practice, tested it in our community, and we found that it worked really well. we called this test to release. i am really pleased to hear it has been adopted nationally, and it is an important mechanism for getting society back to normal in the face of quite high pressures. so, yes, i am a believer that lateral flow test have a useful role to play in helping us get out of the situation. will they be as useful with the omicron variant, which appears to be much more transmissible than d? that is the million — much more transmissible than d? trust is the million dollar question at the moment, and it may have millions of dollars worth of impact on our community. we are hearing positive results from other countries, and i do know that these assessments are on the way, and so far it does appear to be good news. but we are where we are, delta is still the major variant in the united kingdom, thatis major variant in the united kingdom, that is the one causing the most problems. omicron is on the way up. we will have to receive. edi problems. omicron is on the way up. we will have to receive.— we will have to receive. of course, there was the _ we will have to receive. of course, there was the issue _ we will have to receive. of course, there was the issue of _ we will have to receive. of course, there was the issue of people - we will have to receive. of course, | there was the issue of people being able to get their hands on lateral flow test in the first place, as i was highlighting.— flow test in the first place, as i was highlighting. yeah, yesterday i heard on radio _ was highlighting. yeah, yesterday i heard on radio 4 _ was highlighting. yeah, yesterday i heard on radio 4 that _ was highlighting. yeah, yesterday i heard on radio 4 that the - was highlighting. yeah, yesterday i heard on radio 4 that the issue - heard on radio 4 that the issue there is actually to do with booking systems for postal delivery, and i have been on the same website, and if you zoom in on the map, you will see that plenty of local pharmacists still have the kids. the fastest way to get hold of a kate is to walk down and pick one up from your local pharmacist. —— to get hold of a kit. really, you want to have a ten point today, and the fastest ways to go to your local pharmacist. —— you want to have a kit today. your local pharmacist. -- you want to have a kit today.— your local pharmacist. -- you want to have a kit today. someone in my ralle is to have a kit today. someone in my gallery is telling — to have a kit today. someone in my gallery is telling me _ to have a kit today. someone in my gallery is telling me they _ to have a kit today. someone in my gallery is telling me they tried - gallery is telling me they tried five pharmacies yesterday and was not able to get a lateral flow test kit. i not able to get a lateral flow test kit. ., ., ., . ., ., kit. i zoomed in on the wirral and liverpool. — kit. i zoomed in on the wirral and liverpool. and — kit. i zoomed in on the wirral and liverpool, and there _ kit. i zoomed in on the wirral and liverpool, and there are - kit. i zoomed in on the wirral and liverpool, and there are quite - kit. i zoomed in on the wirral and liverpool, and there are quite a l kit. i zoomed in on the wirral and i liverpool, and there are quite a few available, but sure, yes, you can see that, in a way, it is good news that people are taking the advice and trying it and using it. it would be a worse situation still if nobody was trying to get them and they were just sitting in a warehouse not being used, but clearly the supply chain needs to be improved. finally, and to reiterate, _ chain needs to be improved. finally, and to reiterate, you _ chain needs to be improved. finally, and to reiterate, you believe, - chain needs to be improved. finally, and to reiterate, you believe, based| and to reiterate, you believe, based on your pilot study, that this absolutely is a really useful way of catching those cases and hopefully reducing the spread of covid. yes. none of these _ reducing the spread of covid. yes. none of these tests _ reducing the spread of covid. yes. none of these tests are _ reducing the spread of covid. fies none of these tests are perfect. even pcr is not perfect if you do not get the swab vigorously into the right places. at the beauty of the lateral flow test as it and your concern with the action, so that you take a swab straightaway, and if you are likely to be infectious, you will have a positive test on lateral flow. much more likely than if you wait two days for a pcr or wait for that pcr result and you are feeling different and decide the kind of ignore whatever concern you had. so the link is between the human behaviour and the instant message that says, you have got to isolate, it is very likely you are infectious.— it is very likely you are infectious. . ~' , ., , . it is very likely you are infectious. ., ,, , . ., infectious. thank you very much for our time infectious. thank you very much for your time today- — infectious. thank you very much for your time today. we _ infectious. thank you very much for your time today. we are _ infectious. thank you very much for your time today. we are really - your time today. we are really interested to hear today how you are getting on with trying to get some test, please do get in touch and let me know how it is going for you. you can do that on twitter. i'm joined now by one of the conservative mps who will vote against the government's new covid rules. andrew bridgen mp joins andrew bridgen mpjoins me now, good morning to you, thank you for your time today. can i be absolutely clear, to begin, are you planning to vote against all of these plan b restrictions, orjust some of vote against all of these plan b restrictions, or just some of them? restrictions, orjust some of them? i am considering whether to vote against all of them. i do have grave concerns about the reaction of the government to the omicron variant, which as far as i can say, the science from south africa, it is far more transmissible, but it is less pathogenic, considerably less pathogenic, considerably less pathogenic from the evidence we are seeing in south africa, and a natural evolution of a virus overtime is to become more transmissible and less pathogenic, and i think this omicron variant could well be a stepping stone out of the nightmare that we have had for the last two years of the covid—19 pandemic. for the last two years of the covid-19 pandemic.- for the last two years of the covid-19 pandemic. for the last two years of the covid-19 andemic. ~ ., , ., . .. , covid-19 pandemic. would you accept, thou~h, covid-19 pandemic. would you accept, though. that — covid-19 pandemic. would you accept, though. that it — covid-19 pandemic. would you accept, though. that it is _ covid-19 pandemic. would you accept, though, that it is sensible _ covid-19 pandemic. would you accept, though, that it is sensible to _ though, that it is sensible to gather more data here in the uk before, you know, fully deciding what way to go with this? fit before, you know, fully deciding what way to go with this? of course, the data is important, _ what way to go with this? of course, the data is important, but _ the data is important, but ultimately you have got the south african model, where you have a population which is obviously quite demographically different to the uk, a younger population, but far less vaccinated with a far less sophisticated health care system. we have just had matthew taylor from the nhs confederation on a few minutes ago, and he said he would appeal to mps today who are thinking of voting against these measures to think again, to look at the pressure on the nhs, which is now on its highest level of emergency preparedness, and consider the impact of any further spread of this virus. will those words make you think again?— virus. will those words make you think auain? ., ., ' think again? there are two different thins think again? there are two different things there. _ think again? there are two different things there, the _ think again? there are two different things there, the spread _ think again? there are two different things there, the spread of - think again? there are two different things there, the spread of the - things there, the spread of the virus and hospitalisations. the data i am saying is that, yes, omicron will be far more transmissible, perhaps 3—4 times more transmissible than the delta variant which is currently dominant in the uk, but hospitalisations and, thankfully, deaths associated with the omicron variant could be 80—90% less than with the delta that we have got at the moment. find with the delta that we have got at the moment-— with the delta that we have got at the moment. �* ., , , ., the moment. and absolutely, we do really hope — the moment. and absolutely, we do really hope that _ the moment. and absolutely, we do really hope that that _ the moment. and absolutely, we do really hope that that is _ the moment. and absolutely, we do really hope that that is the - the moment. and absolutely, we do really hope that that is the case, - really hope that that is the case, but while the data is being gathered, isn't it sensible to have some — and these are the words of your prime minister and the deputy prime minister — to take what they call a proportionate response, make sure things don't get out of control for the nhs, sure things don't get out of control forthe nhs, and sure things don't get out of control for the nhs, and then remove those restrictions?— restrictions? well, we have got four weeks of data _ restrictions? well, we have got four weeks of data from _ restrictions? well, we have got four weeks of data from south _ restrictions? well, we have got four weeks of data from south africa, i restrictions? well, we have got fourl weeks of data from south africa, and it would appear that because the omicron variant is so transmissible, it is burning itself out after about three weeks in south africa, and what i worry about is that these restrictions are a fundamental shift in the relationship between the people and the state, and the government with covid passports being effectively brought in for the first time in england, and, you know, people talking about mandatory vaccination, which would be anathema to me. and also, it is a fundamental shift in the relationship between our nhs, the people's nhs, as well, because suddenly the nhs, through these measures brought in by the government, would be purely an arm of the state, and i think that is very, very dangerous. but do you really believe that the democratic traditions here are so weak that if these measures _ traditions here are so weak that if these measures are _ traditions here are so weak that if these measures are brought i traditions here are so weak that if these measures are brought in, i traditions here are so weak that if these measures are brought in, that they will lead to some sort of unassailable attack on people's freedoms, you know, they will be brought in for a period that is necessary and then removed again? that necessary and then removed again? git people remember the first lockdown was three weeks to flatten the curve, and things tend to escalate. governments love taking powers... they are not that keen on releasing them, as far as i have seen. bind them, as far as i have seen. and man , them, as far as i have seen. and many. many _ them, as far as i have seen. and many. many people _ them, as far as i have seen. and many, many people died, so surely those lockdowns were necessary to prevent even more people dying. you have not to prevent even more people dying. gm. have got to look at the collateral damage to wider society, to wider public health, mental health, especially of the younger generation, who are at very little risk from this. we need to have a full review, when out of this pandemic, and i think the actual impacts of these lockdowns on wider society and the economy, which has a long—term effect on the population, they will be found to be far more than we perhaps think they are now. so you have been quoting data from south africa. while more data is gathered here, do you accept that there is a risk, if you vote against these measures today, in ending up with more restrictive measures further down the track if the case numbers rise?— numbers rise? there is no risk of plan b not _ numbers rise? there is no risk of plan b not coming _ numbers rise? there is no risk of plan b not coming in, _ numbers rise? there is no risk of plan b not coming in, because i numbers rise? there is no risk of| plan b not coming in, because the labour party and the other opposition parties have already declared they will vote with the government come what may... butt declared they will vote with the government come what may... but i am caettin government come what may... but i am getting behind _ government come what may... but i am getting behind your — government come what may... but i am getting behind your thinking, _ getting behind your thinking, though, trying to get behind your thinking, and i suppose, you know, ideally if there is any plan, the government wanted to be a united plan, but with such a significant number of conservative rebels, doesn't that, along with the whole debate that is going on about downing street parties and so forth, doesn't that make some people think, well, you know, why should i bother putting on my little bit of effort to try to help the wider public? ladle to try to help the wider public? we have all to try to help the wider public? - have all got to take responsibility for ourselves. one of my concerns is these measures will go through with opposition support today for the government, parliament is going to recess on thursday, and any further measures the government want to take, if parliament is not recalled over the christmas recess, which it should be, will be into government by diktats, and that is not where i want this parliament or our country to go. want this parliament or our country to to. ~ . want this parliament or our country to .o,. ., ., want this parliament or our country too. ~ . ., ., to go. what about the freedom of eo - le to to go. what about the freedom of people to go _ to go. what about the freedom of people to go to — to go. what about the freedom of people to go to a _ to go. what about the freedom of people to go to a crowded - to go. what about the freedom of people to go to a crowded venuel to go. what about the freedom of i people to go to a crowded venue and not be infected by someone? you know, you have been talking about freedoms, i have been looking at interviews... freedoms, i have been looking at interviews. . ._ freedoms, i have been looking at interviews... well, how are these measures — interviews... well, how are these measures going _ interviews... well, how are these measures going to _ interviews... well, how are these measures 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measures that? if you are double 'ab, these meses give h that? if you are double 'ab, these measures give people i that? if you are double jab, these measures give people more i that? if you are double jab, these measures give people more time | that? if you are double jab, these l measures give people more time to get a booster, which gives a 75% chance you will not catch this. there was a pretty good odds, aren't they? those are good odds and people should get their boosters. but what we having by this booster campaign over three weeks until the end of the year is that very healthy 18—year—olds, young people at almost minuscule risk of any harm from covid—19, any of the variants, they will be taking place is in our nhs for people who have been waiting for cancer treatments and diagnoses and again there will be a collateral damage to other parts of our society from these measures. latte damage to other parts of our society from these measures.— from these measures. we will watch what happens _ from these measures. we will watch what happens in _ from these measures. we will watch what happens in the _ from these measures. we will watch what happens in the commons i from these measures. we will watch j what happens in the commons today with interest. thank you very much for your time, andrew bridgen. the government is launching what it says will be common—sense reforms to the human rights act that will restore confidence in the legal system. others say the changes are an attack on our fundamental rights. what is the human rights act and what is changing? the act includes basic rights to life, fair treatment. the convention is enforced by a court in strasbourg including judges from the uk and all other nations and nothing to do with the european union. the proposed changes will mean the supreme court in the uk will have the final say on our rights. other changes will make it easier for the government to deport foreign national offenders, by introducing circumstances in which they can not claim a right the plans will see a new legal test which would allowjudges to block what the government calls "spurious" cases. let's speak more about this to ellie cumbo, head of public law at the law society. thank you forjoining us and what do you make of these proposed changes? they have not been published so we have not had a chance to look at them in detail. it is perhaps regrettable the government has chosen to launch this change to a really important that with an article in the times rather than a full announcement. we know that the government is claiming this will prevent our courts from being trumped by the european, in fact that does not happen as it is. our courts to a very carefuljob of balancing rights set out in the convention in the way you have explained in an eu context, so until one knows what arguments the government house for the necessity of this, it is hard to be confident it is any more than political rhetoric. it is any more than political rhetoric— it is any more than political rhetoric. ., rhetoric. so you say most of the proposals _ rhetoric. so you say most of the proposals the — rhetoric. so you say most of the proposals the government i rhetoric. so you say most of the proposals the government is i rhetoric. so you say most of the i proposals the government is talking about on these proposals, it already has? that: about on these proposals, it already has? �*. . about on these proposals, it already has? �* , . . , about on these proposals, it already has? . , . ., ~ ., has? as far as we know. the government _ has? as far as we know. the government described i has? as far as we know. the government described what | has? as far as we know. the i government described what british judges in british courts do as brightly following european case law and that is simply not the. —— blindly following. and that is simply not the. -- blindly following.— and that is simply not the. -- blindly following. you think this is driven by politics _ blindly following. you think this is driven by politics rather _ blindly following. you think this is driven by politics rather than i driven by politics rather than common—sense? the human rights act is scapegoated for things it does not say, it does as you described, exce -t at not say, it does as you described, except at the _ not say, it does as you described, except at the same _ not say, it does as you described, except at the same rights - not say, it does as you described, except at the same rights we i not say, it does as you described, | except at the same rights we have subscribed to by the members of the convention clarified that people can enforce these rights in british courts at the hands of british judges. all that is clear that will take place if you attempt to restrict what the courts could do even further is mean that more of those cases have to go to the strasbourg court in the first place at the government may simply and padding to defend itself in the european court of human rights rather than being confident that britishjudges are given rather than being confident that british judges are given the job they have been doing for as long as it has been in force. ellie they have been doing for as long as it has been in force.— it has been in force. ellie cumbo, head of public— it has been in force. ellie cumbo, head of public law— it has been in force. ellie cumbo, head of public law at _ head of public law at the law society, thank you very much. let's cross to the science and technology committee which is looking at the new omicron variant. let's listen into that in the house of commons. i am told we are not able tojoinjust yet. of commons. i am told we are not able to join just yet. let's see if we can get to that in the next couple of minutes, unfortunately there are a couple of technical issues meaning we can't go to it straightaway but the science and technology committee looking at the new omicron variant, we will come back to that as soon as. lateral flow tests are unavailable to be ordered via the government website for the second day in a row. a message on the site says there are no tests available for home delivery, although they can still be collected from pharmacies. i beg your pardon, we will not go to our guests just i beg your pardon, we will not go to our guestsjust now, we i beg your pardon, we will not go to our guests just now, we will go to the science and technology committee, who are discussing the new omicron variant. that committee, who are discussing the new omicron variant.— committee, who are discussing the new omicron variant. that is the bit that is difficult — new omicron variant. that is the bit that is difficult and _ new omicron variant. that is the bit that is difficult and is _ new omicron variant. that is the bit that is difficult and is key _ new omicron variant. that is the bit that is difficult and is key to - that is difficult and is key to getting the manufacturing working well. you will need to ask people in the tent who know exactly what is happening, but if i was glad now, i would be absolutely focusing my attention is under energies on the advancement and manufacturing and skills and process development capability and notjust on procurement. capability and not 'ust on procurement._ capability and not 'ust on procurement. capability and not 'ust on rocurement. ., ,, , ., ., ., procurement. thank you. how worried which ou procurement. thank you. how worried which you have _ procurement. thank you. how worried which you have been _ procurement. thank you. how worried which you have been about _ procurement. thank you. how worried which you have been about omicron i which you have been about omicron were you _ which you have been about omicron were you still reading the vaccine task for— were you still reading the vaccine task for the? of were you still reading the vaccine task for the?— were you still reading the vaccine task for 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a surprise that it is not _ the vaccine task force. that is not a surprise that it is not a - the vaccine task force. that is not a surprise that it is not a surprise | a surprise that it is not a surprise that it originated in what looks like an immunocompromised individual in south africa, it is a global pandemic so we need to get vaccines to everybody who needs them, especially the immunocompromised. it was not a surprise but the public data had seen suggests we have not seen severe cases yet in south africa, it is a young population with heavy levels of infection previously, but we have not seen those high levels of infection so it may be a more mild disease and we need to wait and see whether that translates in its severity or lack of severity here. nevertheless, it is clearly quite widely diverging from the original wuhan strain and it is likely that if omicron becomes the dominant strain we will have two... in my view it would be prudent to develop variant vaccines so what i think would be annual posts, certainly for the vulnerable, will be against omicron as opposed to wuhan, 38 mutation is also different from where we are now —— the annual boosts. i think the government is right to be taking it seriously but let's see how severe it is, the data i saw last night suggests that the south african incidence seems to be coming down so it may be simply high transmissible that hopefully not as severe as we fear. . . . . that hopefully not as severe as we fear. , ..., ., z, , that hopefully not as severe as wej fear-_ thank that hopefully not as severe as we fear, , ..., ., i, , thank ou fear. rebecca long-bailey? thank you for our fear. rebecca long-bailey? thank you for your time — fear. rebecca long-bailey? thank you for your time today. _ fear. rebecca long-bailey? thank you for your time today. if _ fear. rebecca long-bailey? thank you for your time today. if i _ fear. rebecca long-bailey? thank you for your time today. if i can _ fear. rebecca long-bailey? thank you for your time today. if i can push i for your time today. if i can push you a _ for your time today. if i can push you a little — for your time today. if i can push you a little on what you might know about _ you a little on what you might know about transmissibility and the effect — about transmissibility and the effect vaccines have on that? i know you are _ effect vaccines have on that? i know you are heavily involved with the work _ you are heavily involved with the work done — you are heavily involved with the work done on the delta variants and the effect _ work done on the delta variants and the effect vaccines had on transmissibility, are you aware of the impact — transmissibility, are you aware of the impact of transmissibility of omicron — the impact of transmissibility of omicron on particular vaccines? no. i have omicron on particular vaccines? no. i have been — omicron on particular vaccines? no. i have been out— omicron on particular vaccines? tin i have been out of this for years so that detailed data you will need to get from somebody living and breathing this.— get from somebody living and breathing this. thank you. what assessment _ breathing this. thank you. what assessment would _ breathing this. thank you. what assessment would you - breathing this. thank you. what assessment would you make i breathing this. thank you. what assessment would you make of| breathing this. thank you. what i assessment would you make of the government approach to vaccine procurement and manufacture since you left _ procurement and manufacture since you left the task force? procurement has been good. _ you left the task force? procurement has been good, there _ you left the task force? procurement has been good, there were _ you left the task force? procurement has been good, there were two i you left the task force? procurement | has been good, there were two major things done since i left, one with the additional doses secured from pfizer and the second was the deal with another vaccine company, the first generation of that has not worked out, they have partnered with gsk and i confident that the next generation will be positive. relationships with pfizer have been great and part of that was because pfizer was embedded with the teams at the beginning so we had a very close working relationship between industry and government which i think was helpful. procurement has been fine, i am less convinced about manufacturing because what matters is we have that breadth of capability maintained. we need to make sure that the elevation and the scale in the process development, all the difficult stuff, is maintained. i listen to sara gilbert's dimbleby lecture and i know there are funding struggled to maintain the vax labs, which was the very reason they were able to get out of the blocks quickly. so we need to look very hard at the capability distributed around the uk, notjust oxford, so that we can act quickly as and when we need. i think another group that came out very positively lusty was the cpi, the centre of process innovation, the centre of process innovation, the high value manufacturer in darlington. they were taking novel manufacturing approaches and industrialising them, so that is a group which i think should be central in the manufacturing capability for preparedness, and we need to look at your relationship with the private sector because we struck deals with several manufacturers and not all of those relationships, i think, manufacturers and not all of those relationships, ithink, are continuing. iam not relationships, ithink, are continuing. i am not in the room so i do not know the exact background behind each of those but i think having a close relationship with the advanced manufacturing industry is important. these have capabilities going beyond the uk, it is notjust little britain trying to solve everything for ourselves, these have capability to become big export industries so from an economic resilience as well as public—health resilience, i think they play important parts.— resilience, i think they play important parts. resilience, i think they play imortant arts. . ~' ., , important parts. thank you. finally, do ou important parts. thank you. finally, do you think — important parts. thank you. finally, do you think the _ important parts. thank you. finally, do you think the government - important parts. thank you. finally, do you think the government has i important parts. thank you. finally, do you think the government has a l do you think the government has a well—developed variant plan you think— well—developed variant plan you think it — well—developed variant plan you think it has been successfully deployed in a timely manner? the answer is l — deployed in a timely manner? tie: answer is i don't know in detail, i know when i left clive edicts put together a pretty comprehensive variant manufacturing plan which was really good which looks ahead and figures out what are the potential variance, testing them against the vaccines we have because it is important to scale up the industrialised testing to do exactly this, and if those vaccines do not work, go ahead and start making tweaked variants before those variants potentially emerge. i know there was a plan, i don't know to what extent it is being followed. thank you very much, rebecca, i will go tojeremy hunt. t thank you very much, rebecca, i will go to jeremy hunt-— go to jeremy hunt. i would like to follow one — go to jeremy hunt. i would like to follow one from _ go to jeremy hunt. i would like to follow one from rebecca's - go to jeremy hunt. i would like to i follow one from rebecca's question, dame _ follow one from rebecca's question, dame kate _ follow one from rebecca's question, dame kate, the theory of what you had a _ dame kate, the theory of what you had a vaccine programme is by having population— had a vaccine programme is by having population immunity you can avoid a cycle of— population immunity you can avoid a cycle of lockdowns that you were generally— cycle of lockdowns that you were generally thought to have journal and excellentjob when generally thought to have journal and excellent job when you set the programme off. here we are one year later facing _ programme off. here we are one year later facing more restrictions and indeed _ later facing more restrictions and indeed reading the papers today, niany_ indeed reading the papers today, many people think there will be even more _ many people think there will be even more restrictions to come beyond what _ more restrictions to come beyond what mps — more restrictions to come beyond what mps will vote on this evening, so i what mps will vote on this evening, so i wanted — what mps will vote on this evening, so i wanted with your bird's eye view. _ so i wanted with your bird's eye view. what _ so i wanted with your bird's eye view, what has gone wrong? —— so i wondered — view, what has gone wrong? —— so i wondered l— view, what has gone wrong? -- so i wondered-— wondered. i am not sure something has one wondered. i am not sure something has gone wrong. — wondered. i am not sure something has gone wrong, the _ wondered. i am not sure something has gone wrong, the virus - wondered. i am not sure something has gone wrong, the virus is - wondered. i am not sure something has gone wrong, the virus is ahead | has gone wrong, the virus is ahead of us. our vaccines are pretty effective against the wuhan strain and less effective with a two dose protocol against the omicron strain. the data i had seen suggests that three doses works very well against omicron, it is not about what has gone wrong but it is how we can make sure the vaccines we have to stay ahead of the curve and we don'tjust keep buying lots and lots and lots of vaccine against wuhan when actually we need to start thinking about what these new variants look like. if that means three doses, thatis like. if that means three doses, that is what we need to do now but that is what we need to do now but thatis that is what we need to do now but that is not adequate going forward. if you look at the public accounts committee report, the cost of deployment last year when i was in post was about the same as the cost of buying the vaccines we bought last year, so we cannot be in a position where we have to go through this monumental logistics challenge of getting vaccines into arms, so the other area we must push forward is how do we improve the format of these vaccine so they are much easier and cheaper to deploy? whether that is patches, sprays, whatever, we need to find the tweaked vaccines that can address the viruses as well as delivering ban in a way that does not cause the country to have to pay billions more to be able to get them into people's arms. , . to be able to get them into people's arms. , , ., to be able to get them into people's arms. , . ., ., to be able to get them into people's arms. , , ., ., , ., arms. just to ask the question sli . htl arms. just to ask the question slightly differently, _ arms. just to ask the question slightly differently, it - arms. just to ask the question | slightly differently, it obviously was not — slightly differently, it obviously was not part of the plan we would be going _ was not part of the plan we would be going back— was not part of the plan we would be going back into restrictions at this stage _ going back into restrictions at this stage in— going back into restrictions at this stage in the cycle of the pandemic. with the _ stage in the cycle of the pandemic. with the benefit of hindsight and accepting it is with the benefit of hindsight, what should we have been doing _ hindsight, what should we have been doing differently three or six months _ doing differently three or six months ago? it doing differently three or six months ago?— doing differently three or six months ago? doing differently three or six months ato? ._ ., , ., months ago? it may have been done, i 'ust don't months ago? it may have been done, i just don't know. _ months ago? it may have been done, i just don't know. i _ months ago? it may have been done, i just don't know, i would _ months ago? it may have been done, i just don't know, i would have - just don't know, i would have enacted the variance plan put together by clive which is to go ahead and stop predicting what potential mutations we could face and what is the munition of protection you get from existing vaccines with those variants, i would have started making them. one of the reasons we worked with our partner was to have that capability to grow up variance vaccines. it is not trivial and not every virus can be grown, but that is one of the ideas of how would you get ahead of the mutations of the vaccine. it may be it has been done, i certainly read in the press that different vaccine companies are creating omicron variants but that is what i think we should be doing both historically and what we should do in the future is predicting what they will be at making vaccines accordingly. the testing, we have the capability to test head how effective the vaccines are against these. ourfocus last effective the vaccines are against these. our focus last year was very much on speed, it was not about getting the perfect vaccine. what has become clear is the rate of mutation here is quite rapid so speed was the right instruction and i think that is correct, but we have to be nimble in how quickly we can manufacture these variance vaccines because i think we will have to produce the variants.— because i think we will have to produce the variants. thank you very much. produce the variants. thank you very much- carol? — produce the variants. thank you very much. carol? studio: _ produce the variants. thank you very much. carol? studio: that- produce the variants. thank you very much. carol? studio: that is- much. carol? studio: that is dame kate bingham, former chair of the vaccines have force, talking to members of the science and technology committee in the house of commons, looking up a new omicron variants amongst a broader discussion about how to deal with new variants. kate bingham discussing manufacturing, procurement and deployment of vaccines. she said the big question is how we can make sure vaccines stay ahead of the curve as new variants emerge. one of the key tools in the arsenal is testing and we have been asked to use lateral flow tests if we come into contact with somebody positive for covid, that is one of the measures being voted on by mps in the house of commons later, but as we have been showing you this morning, if you have been tried georgia lateral flow type from the government website there are issues. —— if you have been trying to order lateral flow tests. i think if you were trying to earlier today it was ok, but it says now there are no rapid lateral flow tests available to order today for home delivery. let's job to doris—ann williams, chief executive of the the british in vitro diagnostic association. that is the trade body representing companies which produce and sell diagnostic tests in the uk. thank you so much forjoining us, a very timely interview. why is that this problem with the supply of lateral flow tests? ., , , problem with the supply of lateral flow tests? . , , ., flow tests? there are plenty of lateral flow _ flow tests? there are plenty of lateral flow tests _ flow tests? there are plenty of lateral flow tests in _ flow tests? there are plenty of lateral flow tests in stock, i i flow tests? there are plenty of i lateral flow tests in stock, i spoke to people at test and trace last night to try to understand the situation properly. the home delivery is causing a problem with royal mail. obviously at this time of year royal mail is always extremely busy and this sudden extra demand for lateral flow, which the prime minister's announcements created, has caused a short—term problem. there should be plenty of lateral flow tests at pharmacies, you may have to go and collect your lateral flow tests from a local pharmacy and you will get a code from the website to do that. test and trace are _ from the website to do that. test and trace are saying _ from the website to do that. test and trace are saying royal mail are backed up, that is why they say there is a problem? that backed up, that is why they say there is a problem?— backed up, that is why they say there is a problem? that is the main roblem, there is a problem? that is the main problem. and _ there is a problem? that is the main problem. and it— there is a problem? that is the main problem, and it will— there is a problem? that is the main problem, and it will happen - there is a problem? that is the main problem, and it will happen to i problem, and it will happen to wayne, i suppose, problem, and it will happen to wayne, isuppose, overthe problem, and it will happen to wayne, i suppose, over the next few days, as demand goes up and comes down —— it will set. days, as demand goes up and comes down -- it will set.— down -- it will set. have royal mail confirmed there _ down -- it will set. have royal mail confirmed there is _ down -- it will set. have royal mail confirmed there is an _ down -- it will set. have royal mail confirmed there is an issue - down -- it will set. have royal mail confirmed there is an issue getting | confirmed there is an issue getting the tests out? hot confirmed there is an issue getting the tests out?— confirmed there is an issue getting the tests out?_ we | the tests out? not to me, no. we know royal — the tests out? not to me, no. we know royal mail _ the tests out? not to me, no. we know royal mail are _ the tests out? not to me, no. we know royal mail are very - the tests out? not to me, no. we know royal mail are very busy i the tests out? not to me, no. we l know royal mail are very busy over christmas, that it's no surprise. it is there any issue that not enough planning was done to ensure tests were getting out to people in a timely way? t were getting out to people in a timely way?— timely way? i don't think it is a lack of planning, _ timely way? i don't think it is a lack of planning, test - timely way? i don't think it is a lack of planning, test and i timely way? i don't think it is a j lack of planning, test and trace have been operating now for nearly two years, their systems are evolving constantly and improving constantly so item think it is a lack of planning, i think it isjust a very short—term issue with extra people needing tests at the moment and hopefully people are being sensible and only getting tested when they need them, if people can hold off and not get extra tests just in case, that would also be helpful. just in case, that would also be helful. . , , helpful. get the number they need but not over— helpful. get the number they need but not over and _ helpful. get the number they need but not over and above _ helpful. get the number they need but not over and above to - helpful. get the number they need but not over and above to ensure l but not over and above to ensure everybody has access to some. as i understand, the industry association you represent, none of the members are actually suppliers of lateral flow tests to the uk government? that's right, it is a source of disappointment to the mainstream diagnostic industry both for the global multinationals who would have loved to have been a part of a solution for the uk and specifically a lot of uk manufacturing companies who ramped up theirfacilities in order to support the need for lateral flow, order to support the need for lateralflow, and order to support the need for lateral flow, and unfortunately they have not been called upon. 50 lateral flow, and unfortunately they have not been called upon.- have not been called upon. so the tests are coming _ have not been called upon. so the tests are coming from? _ have not been called upon. so the tests are coming from? they i have not been called upon. so the tests are coming from? they are i tests are coming from? they are beint tests are coming from? they are being manufactured _ tests are coming from? they are being manufactured in _ tests are coming from? they are being manufactured in china, i tests are coming from? they are l being manufactured in china, they are being brought in mostly by american distributors i think we'll have put people on the ground in the uk, but not the mainstream diagnostic routes you would anticipate, so it is a disappointment, particularly with the life science push from another part of government where they want to create a stronger life science sector and our industry feels a little bit like dan but will be looking up at and coming up with a report early next year —— feels a little bit let down, but we'll be looking at that. the little bit let down, but we'll be looking at that.— little bit let down, but we'll be looking at that. the suppliers you are working _ looking at that. the suppliers you are working with, _ looking at that. the suppliers you are working with, if— looking at that. the suppliers you are working with, if they - looking at that. the suppliers you are working with, if they were i are working with, if they were supplied lateral flow tests to the government, would that make any difference in how supplies get out to people? testing traits are saying it is to do with royal mail and the service being incredibly busy at christmas time —— test and trace are saying. t christmas time -- test and trace are sa int. .. . christmas time -- test and trace are sa int. ,, , ., christmas time -- test and trace are sa in. ,, ., , saying. i think it is a logistical issue with _ saying. i think it is a logistical issue with getting _ saying. i think it is a logistical issue with getting hits - saying. i think it is a logistical. issue with getting hits delivered where they need to be delivered in a timely way. —— getting kits delivered. it is easy to be critical but i don't think anybody could have seen how quickly omicron got a grip on us. , . seen how quickly omicron got a grip on us. ,., . ., , seen how quickly omicron got a grip onus. ,., . ., ,. on us. doris and williams, chief executive _ on us. doris and williams, chief executive of _ on us. doris and williams, chief executive of the _ on us. doris and williams, chief executive of the british - on us. doris and williams, chief executive of the british in i on us. doris and williams, chief executive of the british in vitro| executive of the british in vitro diagnostic association, thank you very much for your time. making the uk the safest place in the world to be online. that's the aim of the government's online safety bill. a group of cross party mps are due to set out what new laws, they think are needed to achieve that objective. cyberflashing is one of the issues that campaigners hope will be addressed by the bill. clare mcglynn is a professor of law at durham university, who has worked closely with mps and women's groups on the online safety bill. professor, thank you very much for joining us to talk about this. other proposals, as they exist, enough to make a difference? == proposals, as they exist, enough to make a difference?— make a difference? -- are the proposals? — make a difference? -- are the proposals? lt _ make a difference? -- are the proposals? it is _ make a difference? -- are the proposals? it is a _ make a difference? -- are the proposals? it is a very - make a difference? -- are the l proposals? it is a very welcome recognition that cyber flash on and other forms of misogynistic abuse are prevalent —— cyberflashing. unfortunately the report does not name violence against women in the bill and wriddiman take those companies to take action so there is still more work to be done but we are really getting the. so still more work to be done but we are really getting the.— still more work to be done but we are really getting the. so when you sa it does are really getting the. so when you say it does not _ are really getting the. so when you say it does not mandate _ are really getting the. so when you j say it does not mandate companies are really getting the. so when you i say it does not mandate companies to take action, explaining more detail what you mean and what needs to happen in your opinion? ibtt what you mean and what needs to happen in your opinion?— happen in your opinion? at the moment myself— happen in your opinion? at the moment myself and _ happen in your opinion? at the moment myself and many i happen in your opinion? at the l moment myself and many others happen in your opinion? at the - moment myself and many others are saying that we need to name violence against women in the bill, meaning producing what is called a code of practice requiring those companies to specifically ink about lots of forms of violence against women including cyber flashing forms of violence against women including cyberflashing in everything they do, it would just mean they could not let it go under the radar, they would have to address it and the regulator would need to take steps to ensure they are achieving that. at need to take steps to ensure they are achieving that.— need to take steps to ensure they are achieving that. at the moment, social media _ are achieving that. at the moment, social media providers _ are achieving that. at the moment, social media providers etc - are achieving that. at the moment, social media providers etc are - social media providers etc are largely self regulating? that's ri . ht, largely self regulating? that's riaht, and largely self regulating? that's right. and at _ largely self regulating? that's right, and at the _ largely self regulating? that's right, and at the moment - largely self regulating? that's| right, and at the moment with largely self regulating? that's - right, and at the moment with the online safety bill, it will set out some new requirements and new standards on social media companies which is a really positive step forward and we need to just ensure that as well as taking into account really important forms of abuse particularly against children, it also recognises that violence against women and online abuse, women are particularly the victims, particularly black and minority women, we need to take the opportunity to address that. how big a roblem opportunity to address that. how big a problem of — opportunity to address that. how big a problem of cyber— opportunity to address that. how big a problem of cyber flashing? - a problem of cyberflashing? alarmingly common, unfortunately. many studies including one by the dating app bumble shows that almost half of young women are being sent penis images without their consent, almost three quarters of teenagers. 50%, up to 75% according to surveys you had seen. if this new bill gives stronger sanctions or puts a system in place where there are stronger sanctions for big tech companies, will sanctions alone be enough, or what else needs to happen? i will sanctions alone be enough, or what else needs to happen? i think we need a multipronged _ what else needs to happen? i think we need a multipronged approach, | what else needs to happen? m “if. we need a multipronged approach, we need new criminal law on cyber flashing to send a clear message it is wrong and individuals make reports to the police, but introducing a criminal law like that also means tech companies will have to take cyber flashing seriously, they will have to start taking steps to prevent it but also we need better education, resourced education in schools to tackle this epidemic of sexual harassment and online abuse. epidemic of sexual harassment and online abuse-— online abuse. professor clare mcglynn. _ online abuse. professor clare mcglynn, professor - online abuse. professor clare mcglynn, professor of - online abuse. professor clare mcglynn, professor of law i online abuse. professor clare mcglynn, professor of law at j online abuse. professor clare - mcglynn, professor of law at durham university, thank you very much. now it's time for a look at the weather with matt taylor good morning. there will be sunshine at times over the coming days but cloud will often dominate, it has been thick enough for heavy rain in northern scotland, but the heaviest rain in the afternoon likely to be across scotland, rain coming and going across western scotland, try and brighter to the east, maybe the large shower in northern ireland. if you have had mixed and fog today you will struggle to shift it, very mild for most, 13 celsius in the south and the far north of scotland. i will be some breaks of sunshine tonight and tomorrow, you will see the mist and fog patch, temperatures in mid—single figures, another mild night, things turning wetter in western scotland and eventually parts of northern ireland. it takes us into a temper start to the day in scotland and northern ireland, particularly western areas. —— takes us into a damper start. some sunny breaks further south, lots of cloud and another mild one. goodbye for now. this is bbc news. these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. the rebellion over new covid rules in england — borisjohnson faces what could be his biggest revolt from conservative mps. the reality is the government have to do the right thing, as we see it, for the country, and we want to carry as many people with us as possible. but ourjob is to protect the country. the vote comes as health service leaders in england declare a level four national incident — the service's highest emergency level. a new study on the potential impact of omicron suggests two doses of the pfizer biontech vaccine have given 70% protection against hospitalisation in south africa more than a hundred people are still missing in the us state of kentucky, after the series of devastating tornadoes at the weekend. officials say at 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