which brings together some of the uk's best known columnists, bbc specialists and the correspondents who write, blog and broadcast to audiences back home from the dateline: london. this week: omicron — a chilling gift for the season of giving. why, when it comes to abortion, it remains the age of trump. and james bond's boss on the danger of china for smaller countries. joining is on the programme... janet daley, who moved from the united states to london in the 1960s, is a columinst with the daily telegraph. stephanie baker is with bloomberg media. with me in the studio is celia hatton, the bbc�*s asia pacific editor. welcome to all of you and it is lovely to see you again. when we discussed omicron last week and, it had onlyjust been confirmed as a variant of concern. first identified by doctors in south africa, president ramaphosa told his countrymen at the weekend that in one province, new cases had risen from 500 per day to 1,600. stephanie, the message from the white house earlier in the week was "don't panic", he announced restrictions, like the leaders across the globe, has had to announce restrictions. the latest on friday evening came from ireland with nightclubs now being closed and people being restricted in the number of families that are in their households at one time. how would you characterise the global response to this latest, only the latest variant of covid—19? everyone is panicking. the market has tanked and that was a sign of the real panic. the reality is we have very little real—world data to cause this panic. yes, there are reports coming out of south africa that are worrisome and particularly, the reports that showed the rate of reinfection for those who had covid—19 previously is higher with omicron than with delta. the case numbers are shooting up in south africa, but it is hard to extrapolate from that, south africa has a relatively young population and a low vaccination rate. on a positive side, hospitalisations have not shot up as much as some doctors thought they would. and i think the real question is how well the vaccines will perform and we have two different reads on that this week with the moderna ceo being quite pessimistic about how well the vaccines will hold up and then pfizer and oxford sounding more upbeat, particularly on how the vaccines will prevent severe illness and hospitalisations. i think that is the real question for me — does this turn out to cause more severe disease or if the cases are mild, if this is indeed manageable? the end game here, as various scientists have told me, over the past year and a half, is that as covid—19 morphs into something resembling the common cold, there are four main coronaviruses that cause the common cold. viruses do sometimes mutate to be less rather than more virulent to infect more hosts. that is the real question and i think the omicron variant has hopefully spurred more people to get vaccinated and that is the real tragedy here, that two years after covid—19 years after covid—19 emerged in china and a year after the vaccines went into arms, we still have pockets of unvaccinated people in wealthy countries when vaccinations are plentiful because they do not believe the science and governments and pharmaceutical companies are not doing enough to get vaccines out across the world so variants like this don't keep cropping up and keeping the pandemic going further. celia, the hosts we become, if we don't get vaccinated, even if we do, how will governments and asian—pacific dealing with that? we know how to china deals with that. pretty prescriptive lay. —— prescriptive lay. what about more liberal governments was my are they coping with the unvaccinated 7 it is interesting to see how democracies in different parts of the world deal with this challenge. and let's use japan as an example. back in may, japan had less than 1% of its population vaccinated and many people were predicting huge problems because so many people in japan at the time were expressing scepticism over getting vaccines. however, we see now that over 70% of the population is fully vaccinated and it is incredible. they leapt over many other countries. how have they done it? mostly because politicians injapan, public figures injapan, all expressed a very strong statement that it is your duty to become vaccinated, you would put others at risk and it seems that many people injapan are really responding to this social pressure. the idea that you really are putting others out if you do not get vaccinated. coupled with a shortage injapan at first. many people were concerned about getting their vaccine, in a rush to get their vaccine and i will see these really high vaccination rates. go over to singapore where they have come out this week to say, "if you are unvaccinated by choice, then you're going to have to have to pay your medical bills if you get covid—19." oh, really, if you get hospitalised with covid? absolutely and in indonesia, vaccination is mandatory and if you are not vaccinated, they are going to fine you and withdraw social services. we are seeing this range of responses across the region. some are still dealing with unvaccinated, but in some countries, really, they're getting quite strong responses. janet, some similar restrictions in some european countries. france, then austria, now angela merkel saying the unvaccinated will be restricted from lots ofsocial activities. what is the moral dilemma here? is itjustified for a majority to impose its will on a minority in this way? are there circumstances where there is defensible? this may invoke some unfortunate memories of some horrible - persecution of minorities in those countries. - and i think there is a larger and wider question here . |and that is that we seem to have| accepted in western democracies that the freedoms and the personal liberties to be all taken _ for granted as part of our sort of, constitutional- heritage are conditional. the government can take them away. being complicit with this by choice is one thing, l that is a perfectly admirable - socially responsible thing to do. but when governments can issue edicts, whether it is something l relatively trivial like mask wearing or something much more serious, i like grandparents not being able to see their grandchildren, - or saying it is illegal- to have a sexual relationship with someone outside i of your own household, this is going way further- than anything the east german group ever imposed. i think we have to think. about this very carefully. i'm not a covid—19 sceptic and not even a lockdown sceptic, - but this is a tremendous, - unprecedented move to limit civil liberties and make them contingent on government permission- that the interference in - personal life and family life, even among social events among friends, it is quite extraordinary. | and i think we have now set this precedent and it's - very hard to reverse. when does this end? viruses mutate all the time. wherever there is a mutant - variation, is that going to cause the government- automatically to assume these repressive measures? it's a very dangerous political moments. l he has imposed a vaccination requirement specifically on federal workers. on federal workers and companies that is being challenged in congress and recently, one of the democrats senators joe mansion said he would come out against that mandate or vaccines ——for vaccines for larger companies. i think the uk is an outlier compared to western europe and the us, which have far more stringent restrictions both on vaccines and mask wearing. i think vaccine mandates are inevitable. given the tremendous losses that the pandemic has caused on economy, mental health, education, and i think requiring vaccines in the public square, so to speak, whether that is the workplace, schools, public transportation, shops, what have you, i think that is inevitable and it's the only way getting vaccinations up is the only way to end this pandemic and i do question this notion that you can walk around as a, sort of, walking vector of a deadly disease because you don't believe the science, why should that be allowed when you have publicly funded healthcare systems where you all pay in and it just doesn't seem fair. we will return to the subject later, but i did some fascinating debate and i think it's become more timely as more countries go down this route. he was not one of the world's best travel characters, wherever you live, chances are you have seen at least one james bond movie. 007 is fictional, and his boss is not. this week, m, or richard moore, the head of mi6, the uk's foreign intelligence service made a rare appearance in public. in the data traps of china, designed to get smaller countries through its economic policies on the hook, with everyone not being passive, concern about chinese influence lies behind the violence in the solomon islands. what has been happening? in is very complex that goes back decades, the solomon islands for some time has been really struggling with grinding poverty, ethnic tensions, we had protests broke out a few times over the years. back in 2019, though. the government in the capital made a decision, unilateral decision to switch the solomon islands' ties from taiwan over to mainland china. and that some of the people on one of the solomon islands most populous island, really took offence to this. they felt that because that ireland is very christian taiwan, many people in taiwan are christian, they have a real loyalty to people in taiwan. they felt that taiwan stuck with them for the 36 years that they had to plastic ties. so they criticise the government for making this change. the government said that no, china has promised us to build a stadium, roads and bridges, that really hasn't... find build a stadium, roads and bridges, that really hasn't. . ._ that really hasn't. .. and not recognising _ that really hasn't. .. and not recognising taiwan - that really hasn't. .. and not recognising taiwan any - that really hasn't. .. and not i recognising taiwan any more, that really hasn't. .. and not - recognising taiwan any more, it is such a simple thing, it seems! seemingly simple. this week of violence really erupted because people on the island of malaita said that they really haven't seen the benefits of that switch. and so you could say that china's interfered in this and drove these divisions, however, the united states has also fuelled some tension and back in during the trump administration, $25 million was earmarked specifically for the island of malaita, and some say fuelling independence desires, and so, that money has not been given yet, but there has been some concern that really, what is going on at the solomon islands is really tensions between the us and china being played out on a very small scale. i being played out on a very small scale. , ., ., , a being played out on a very small scale. , ., ., , ,., scale. i 'ust want to pick up on that scale. i just want to pick up on that thought. _ scale. i just want to pick up on that thought, but _ scale. i just want to pick up on that thought, but just - scale. i just want to pick up on that thought, butjust before l scale. i just want to pick up on that thought, butjust before i | that thought, butjust before i bring in janet, stephanie, we have talked before this programme aboutjoe biden needing to develop a chinese strategy, there was a time a lot of those countries with a look to bashan, washington, we are looking seeing that we are seeing a bit more independence, the formerjapanese prime minister, shinzo abe, saying don't touch japan —— china orjapan won't cause you trouble, but as the white house can clear about its approach to handling china? the? white house can clear about its approach to handling china? they had these talks couple _ approach to handling china? they had these talks couple of— approach to handling china? they had these talks couple of weeks _ approach to handling china? they had these talks couple of weeks ago, - approach to handling china? they had these talks couple of weeks ago, a i these talks couple of weeks ago, a virtual_ these talks couple of weeks ago, a virtual summit between biden and president — virtual summit between biden and president chi. that was meant to ease _ president chi. that was meant to ease tensions, the fact that the talks_ ease tensions, the fact that the talks lasted for more than three hours _ talks lasted for more than three hours was — talks lasted for more than three hours was seen as a good sign, but i don't believe — hours was seen as a good sign, but i don't believe anyone really think there _ don't believe anyone really think there is— don't believe anyone really think there is any thought between washington and beijing happening i’ilht washington and beijing happening right now, there are some huge differences over human rights, both in hong _ differences over human rights, both in hong kong and with the uighur muslims — in hong kong and with the uighur muslims. they raised issues there are tensions in the south china sea as well_ are tensions in the south china sea as well as — are tensions in the south china sea as well as the taiwan straits. indeed. — as well as the taiwan straits. indeed, after those talks, president chi warned — indeed, after those talks, president chi warned that any encouragement of independence, taiwan cosmic independence, taiwan cosmic independence would be playing with fire. independence would be playing with fire -- _ independence would be playing with fire. —— taiwan cosmic independence. the relationship of us and china involving, — the relationship of us and china involving, he had to see nearby that officials _ involving, he had to see nearby that officials describe the approach to china _ officials describe the approach to china as — officials describe the approach to china as one moving of engagement to one of— china as one moving of engagement to one of the _ china as one moving of engagement to one of the competition. they seem to be moving _ one of the competition. they seem to be moving back towards engagement, i think. _ be moving back towards engagement, i think. to _ be moving back towards engagement, i think. to out _ be moving back towards engagement, i think, to put what the national security— think, to put what the national security adviser calls guard rails to make — security adviser calls guard rails to make sure there is no miscommunication that would cause any unnecessary conflict. so they seem _ any unnecessary conflict. so they seem to — any unnecessary conflict. so they seem to be — any unnecessary conflict. so they seem to be trying to engage more. biden_ seem to be trying to engage more. biden really wants to engage with china _ biden really wants to engage with china from a position of strength and indeed, that was competing with china, _ and indeed, that was competing with china, as _ and indeed, that was competing with china, as part of his sales pitch for the — china, as part of his sales pitch for the infrastructure spending bill that he _ for the infrastructure spending bill that he signed on the day that they met virtually with president chi. his approach has been to control allies— his approach has been to control aiiies into — his approach has been to control allies into backing the us approach to counter— allies into backing the us approach to counter china. that seems to be coming _ to counter china. that seems to be coming into— to counter china. that seems to be coming into focus and succeeding, but i _ coming into focus and succeeding, but i think— coming into focus and succeeding, but i think the big issue facing both— but i think the big issue facing both countries is climate change and the biden_ both countries is climate change and the biden administration does not seem _ the biden administration does not seem to _ the biden administration does not seem to be prioritising the climate change. _ seem to be prioritising the climate change. its — seem to be prioritising the climate change, its dealings with china, which _ change, its dealings with china, which is — change, its dealings with china, which is surprising. they signed the 'oint which is surprising. they signed the joint statement at cop—26, but i do not think— joint statement at cop—26, but i do not think that that is going to lead to any— not think that that is going to lead to any new— not think that that is going to lead to any new emissions cuts in china, and without— to any new emissions cuts in china, and without that we will not get to the i5— and without that we will not get to the 1.5 degrees of the global warming targets.— the 1.5 degrees of the global warming targets. the 1.5 degrees of the global warmin: taraets. . , . . , ., warming targets. that is clearly one engagement — warming targets. that is clearly one engagement area _ warming targets. that is clearly one engagement area where _ warming targets. that is clearly one engagement area where big - warming targets. that is clearly one i engagement area where big objectives thatjoe biden has, but what about this relationship with countries like the solomon islands? as m was pressing it, the debt traps. we see a lot of parts of the world, africa, caribbean, i remember talking to locals in the caribbean, on a small island, they love the small islands they have been just like the new stadium had been given by the chinese, but the fact that the islands�* rate are being built by chinese and not locals... this islands' rate are being built by chinese and not locals... this is really not _ chinese and not locals... this is really not at _ chinese and not locals... this is really not at all _ chinese and not locals... this is really not at all like _ chinese and not locals... this is really not at all like the - chinese and not locals... this is really not at all like the cold - chinese and not locals... this is i really not at all like the cold war. this is— really not at all like the cold war. this is not — really not at all like the cold war. this is not ideological. _ really not at all like the cold war. this is not ideological. china - really not at all like the cold war. this is not ideological. china is i this is not ideological. china is not a _ this is not ideological. china is not a communist _ this is not ideological. china is not a communist country- this is not ideological. china is not a communist country in - this is not ideological. china is| not a communist country in any this is not ideological. china is - not a communist country in any sense that marx _ not a communist country in any sense that marx would — not a communist country in any sense that marx would understand, - not a communist country in any sense that marx would understand, it - not a communist country in any sense that marx would understand, it has i that marx would understand, it has huge _ that marx would understand, it has huge disparities _ that marx would understand, it has huge disparities of— that marx would understand, it has huge disparities of wealth, - that marx would understand, it has huge disparities of wealth, it - that marx would understand, it has huge disparities of wealth, it has . that marx would understand, it has huge disparities of wealth, it has a| huge disparities of wealth, it has a super— huge disparities of wealth, it has a super bourgeoisie _ huge disparities of wealth, it has a super bourgeoisie now— huge disparities of wealth, it has a super bourgeoisie now who - huge disparities of wealth, it has a super bourgeoisie now who are - super bourgeoisie now who are ferocious— super bourgeoisie now who are ferocious consumers— super bourgeoisie now who are ferocious consumers and - super bourgeoisie now who are ferocious consumers and it - super bourgeoisie now who are ferocious consumers and it is l super bourgeoisie now who are ferocious consumers and it is a super bourgeoisie now who are - ferocious consumers and it is a very active _ ferocious consumers and it is a very active play— ferocious consumers and it is a very active play in— ferocious consumers and it is a very active play in the _ ferocious consumers and it is a very active play in the world _ ferocious consumers and it is a very active play in the world market. - ferocious consumers and it is a veryl active play in the world market. one is after— active play in the world market. one is after is _ active play in the world market. one is after is real— active play in the world market. one is after is real old—fashioned - active play in the world market. one is after is real old—fashioned dirty. is after is real old—fashioned dirty imperial— is after is real old—fashioned dirty imperial conquest _ is after is real old—fashioned dirty imperial conquest and _ is after is real old—fashioned dirty imperial conquest and territory, i is after is real old—fashioned dirty. imperial conquest and territory, and economic— imperial conquest and territory, and economic domination. _ imperial conquest and territory, and economic domination. it _ imperial conquest and territory, and economic domination. it is - imperial conquest and territory, and economic domination. it is —— - imperial conquest and territory, and economic domination. it is —— its. economic domination. it is —— its theft— economic domination. it is —— its theft of— economic domination. it is —— its theft of international— economic domination. it is —— its theft of international property. economic domination. it is —— its theft of international property is| theft of international property is notorious. — theft of international property is notorious. it _ theft of international property is notorious, it has _ theft of international property is notorious, it has no _ theft of international property is notorious, it has no holds - theft of international property is| notorious, it has no holds barred theft of international property is i notorious, it has no holds barred of competition— notorious, it has no holds barred of competition with _ notorious, it has no holds barred of competition with united _ notorious, it has no holds barred of competition with united states - notorious, it has no holds barred of competition with united states and| competition with united states and all the _ competition with united states and all the racial— competition with united states and all the racial capital— competition with united states and all the racial capital powers, - competition with united states and all the racial capital powers, so - competition with united states and all the racial capital powers, so we| all the racial capital powers, so we are not— all the racial capital powers, so we are not talking _ all the racial capital powers, so we are not talking about _ all the racial capital powers, so we are not talking about an _ all the racial capital powers, so we| are not talking about an ideological stand-oft — are not talking about an ideological stand-oft -- — are not talking about an ideological stand-oft -- i_ are not talking about an ideological stand—off. —— i major— are not talking about an ideological stand—off. —— i major capital- stand—off. —— i major capital powers _ stand—off. —— i major capital powers. china _ stand—off. —— i major capital powers. china is— stand—off. —— i major capital powers. china is not- stand—off. —— i major capital. powers. china is not interested stand—off. —— i major capital- powers. china is not interested of the third — powers. china is not interested of the third world _ powers. china is not interested of the third world countries, - powers. china is not interested of the third world countries, it- powers. china is not interested of the third world countries, it was i powers. china is not interested ofl the third world countries, it was to buy them — the third world countries, it was to buy them up. _ the third world countries, it was to buy them up, there _ the third world countries, it was to buy them up, there are _ the third world countries, it was to buy them up, there are —— - the third world countries, it was to buy them up, there are —— their. buy them up, there are —— their mineral— buy them up, there are —— their mineral supplies— buy them up, there are —— their mineral supplies particularly. i buy them up, there are —— their| mineral supplies particularly. as buy them up, there are —— their- mineral supplies particularly. as we have had _ mineral supplies particularly. as we have had so— mineral supplies particularly. as we have had so much— mineral supplies particularly. as we have had so much about. _ mineral supplies particularly. as we have had so much about. it- mineral supplies particularly. as we have had so much about. it has- mineral supplies particularly. as we have had so much about. it has to i mineral supplies particularly. as we. have had so much about. it has to be confronted _ have had so much about. it has to be confronted in— have had so much about. it has to be confronted in a — have had so much about. it has to be confronted in a completely _ have had so much about. it has to be confronted in a completely different. confronted in a completely different way. confronted in a completely different wav it _ confronted in a completely different wav it is _ confronted in a completely different way. it is almost— confronted in a completely different way. it is almost a _ confronted in a completely different way. it is almost a return _ confronted in a completely different way. it is almost a return to - confronted in a completely different way. it is almost a return to the - way. it is almost a return to the 19th _ way. it is almost a return to the 19th century _ way. it is almost a return to the 19th century all— way. it is almost a return to the 19th century all the _ way. it is almost a return to the 19th century all the very- way. it is almost a return to the 19th century all the very early. way. it is almost a return to the i 19th century all the very early 20th century. _ 19th century all the very early 20th century. this— 19th century all the very early 20th century. this is— 19th century all the very early 20th century, this is more _ 19th century all the very early 20th century, this is more like - 19th century all the very early 20th century, this is more like the - century, this is more like the impending. _ century, this is more like the impending. more _ century, this is more like the impending. more than - century, this is more like the . impending. more than anything century, this is more like the - impending. more than anything else. so trving _ impending. more than anything else. so trying to— impending. more than anything else. so trying to counter— impending. more than anything else. so trying to counter the _ impending. more than anything else. so trying to counter the chinese - so trying to counter the chinese position. — so trying to counter the chinese position. the _ so trying to counter the chinese position, the chinese _ so trying to counter the chinese position, the chinese offer, - so trying to counter the chinese position, the chinese offer, as i so trying to counter the chinese| position, the chinese offer, as it were. _ position, the chinese offer, as it were. with — position, the chinese offer, as it were, with argument _ position, the chinese offer, as it were, with argument is - position, the chinese offer, as it were, with argument is going. position, the chinese offer, as it were, with argument is going to| position, the chinese offer, as it- were, with argument is going to get you nowhere. — were, with argument is going to get you nowhere. this— were, with argument is going to get you nowhere. this is— were, with argument is going to get you nowhere. this is a _ were, with argument is going to get you nowhere. this is a real- you nowhere. this is a real straightforward _ you nowhere. this is a real straightforward battle - you nowhere. this is a real straightforward battle for i you nowhere. this is a real- straightforward battle for world domination. _ straightforward battle for world domination. i— straightforward battle for world domination. i don't _ straightforward battle for world domination. idon't think- straightforward battle for world domination. i don't thinkjoe i domination. idon't thinkjoe bidens— domination. idon't thinkjoe biden's court— domination. i don't thinkjoe biden's court that _ domination. i don't thinkjoe biden's court that yet. - domination. i don't thinkjoe biden's court that yet. so i domination. i don't thinkjoe biden's court that yet.- domination. i don't thinkjoe biden's court that yet. so in some wa s, biden's court that yet. so in some ways. you — biden's court that yet. so in some ways. you might— biden's court that yet. so in some ways, you might say, _ biden's court that yet. so in some ways, you might say, that - biden's court that yet. so in some ways, you might say, that is - ways, you might say, that is fine, but why on earth is the head of m16 that worried about china? should he be more read about russia, is an immediate threat to the uk than china? . . . . immediate threat to the uk than china? ,, ., , ., immediate threat to the uk than china? ,, . , ., ., immediate threat to the uk than china? , , . , . ., ., china? russia is an immediate threat in terms of europe, _ china? russia is an immediate threat in terms of europe, particularly, - in terms of europe, particularly, because — in terms of europe, particularly, because they _ in terms of europe, particularly, because they are _ in terms of europe, particularly, because they are about - in terms of europe, particularly, because they are about to - in terms of europe, particularly, i because they are about to invade ukraine. — because they are about to invade ukraine. i— because they are about to invade ukraine, i think, _ because they are about to invade ukraine, ithink, but— because they are about to invade ukraine, i think, but the - because they are about to invade . ukraine, i think, but the long—term threat. _ ukraine, i think, but the long—term threat. china— ukraine, i think, but the long—term threat, china wants _ ukraine, i think, but the long—term threat, china wants to _ ukraine, i think, but the long—term threat, china wants to be _ ukraine, i think, but the long—term threat, china wants to be the - ukraine, i think, but the long—term . threat, china wants to be the number one power. _ threat, china wants to be the number one power, economically, _ threat, china wants to be the number one power, economically, and - one power, economically, and militarily. _ one power, economically, and militarily, and _ one power, economically, and militarily, and in terms - one power, economically, and militarily, and in terms of- militarily, and in terms of territory. _ militarily, and in terms of territory. they _ militarily, and in terms of territory. they are - militarily, and in terms of territory. they are now i militarily, and in terms of- territory. they are now actively going _ territory. they are now actively going out — territory. they are now actively going out and _ territory. they are now actively going out and claiming - territory. they are now actively going out and claiming bits - territory. they are now actively going out and claiming bits of. territory. they are now actively . going out and claiming bits of the world _ going out and claiming bits of the world they— going out and claiming bits of the world they say _ going out and claiming bits of the world they say they— going out and claiming bits of the world they say they have - going out and claiming bits of the i world they say they have territorial rights _ world they say they have territorial rights to _ world they say they have territorial rights to as — world they say they have territorial rights to as is _ world they say they have territorial rights to as is russia, _ world they say they have territorial rights to as is russia, but - world they say they have territorial rights to as is russia, but on- world they say they have territorial rights to as is russia, but on a - rights to as is russia, but on a rather— rights to as is russia, but on a rather more _ rights to as is russia, but on a rather more local— rights to as is russia, but on a rather more local scale. - rights to as is russia, but on a rather more local scale. it - rights to as is russia, but on a rather more local scale. it is l rights to as is russia, but on a i rather more local scale. it is not fine. _ rather more local scale. it is not fine. it— rather more local scale. it is not fine. it is— rather more local scale. it is not fine. it isjust_ rather more local scale. it is not fine, it is just that _ rather more local scale. it is not fine, it is just that you _ rather more local scale. it is not fine, it is just that you have - rather more local scale. it is not fine, it is just that you have to l fine, it isjust that you have to confront — fine, it isjust that you have to confront it _ fine, it isjust that you have to confront it in _ fine, it isjust that you have to confront it in the _ fine, it isjust that you have to confront it in the way, - fine, it isjust that you have to confront it in the way, down . fine, it is just that you have to l confront it in the way, down and dirty. _ confront it in the way, down and dirty. really. _ confront it in the way, down and dirty. really. you _ confront it in the way, down and dirty, really, you have _ confront it in the way, down and dirty, really, you have to - confront it in the way, down and i dirty, really, you have to confront it in the _ dirty, really, you have to confront it in the way— dirty, really, you have to confront it in the way that _ dirty, really, you have to confront it in the way that we _ dirty, really, you have to confront it in the way that we would - dirty, really, you have to confront it in the way that we would have i it in the way that we would have confronted — it in the way that we would have confronted an _ it in the way that we would have confronted an enemy _ it in the way that we would have confronted an enemy before - confronted an enemy before the nuclear— confronted an enemy before the nuclear age. _ confronted an enemy before the nuclear age, and _ confronted an enemy before the nuclear age, and before - confronted an enemy before the nuclear age, and before the - confronted an enemy before the nuclear age, and before the age of technology. — nuclear age, and before the age of technology-— technology. don't try and stroke a dracon! technology. don't try and stroke a dragon! just _ technology. don't try and stroke a dragon! just in — technology. don't try and stroke a dragon! just in terms _ technology. don't try and stroke a dragon! just in terms of— technology. don't try and stroke a dragon! just in terms of this - dragon! just in terms of this response, we are seeing small voices, i mentioned shinzo abe, is there more confidence, do you think, among political leaders in central china, hang on? stop and think about what you are doing?— china, hang on? stop and think about what you are doing? when it comes to taiwan, i what you are doing? when it comes to taiwan. i think. _ what you are doing? when it comes to taiwan, i think, there _ what you are doing? when it comes to taiwan, ! think, there is lots— what you are doing? when it comes to taiwan, i think, there is lots of- taiwan, i think, there is lots of anxiety at the region at the moment, there for years we saw the key players in a triangle, us, china, taiwan, keeping the status quo, but in recent years, they have all altered their behaviour, china�*s become more assertive, it has built up become more assertive, it has built up its military, the artistic to subtly changed its taiwan policy, trump�*s famous first foreign phone call was to taiwan cosmic president. biden hasn�*t really changed that policy significantly since. taiwan cosmic president. taiwan has also been injecting basing�*s offer of a one country two systems, the president of taiwan has been independent, and very clear on that, to other countries in the region are watching changes in the behaviour and they are adapting themselves. i think that that is why, presumably, japan wants to increase the cost to china, a fully china wants to invade or impose a blockade on taiwan, japan is starting to speak up. everything has a price. donald trump may have turned out to be america —— america�*s most important president since ronald reagan. ronald reagan passed more and more long lasting legislation, post men were appointed to the supreme court, believed to be conservatives, is the trump justices rather than the reagan once it turned out to be more eyes are logically consistent, decisively tilting the court in their direction. wednesday�*s our argument on abortion, one of the most important days in court, potentially. janet, remind us of the first of what the status quo is in terms of abortion, and what significance we should attach to some of the things that were said on wednesday. it is some of the things that were said on wednesda . . some of the things that were said on wednesda . , ., , ., , wednesday. it is quite astonishing that all these _ wednesday. it is quite astonishing that all these years _ wednesday. it is quite astonishing that all these years after - wednesday. it is quite astonishing that all these years after roe - that all these years after roe versus — that all these years after roe versus wade _ that all these years after roe versus wade and _ that all these years after roe versus wade and all - that all these years after roe versus wade and all these i that all these years after roe i versus wade and all these years after— versus wade and all these years after what seemed _ versus wade and all these years after what seemed to _ versus wade and all these years after what seemed to be - versus wade and all these years after what seemed to be a - versus wade and all these years . after what seemed to be a general acceptance — after what seemed to be a general acceptance of— after what seemed to be a general acceptance of the _ after what seemed to be a general acceptance of the idea _ after what seemed to be a general acceptance of the idea of- after what seemed to be a general acceptance of the idea of a - after what seemed to be a general acceptance of the idea of a right, i acceptance of the idea of a right, not necessarily— acceptance of the idea of a right, not necessarily a _ acceptance of the idea of a right, not necessarily a right _ acceptance of the idea of a right, not necessarily a right to - acceptance of the idea of a right, | not necessarily a right to abortion but not _ not necessarily a right to abortion but not to— not necessarily a right to abortion but not to have _ not necessarily a right to abortion but not to have it _ not necessarily a right to abortion but not to have it made _ not necessarily a right to abortion but not to have it made illegal, it| but not to have it made illegal, it is quite _ but not to have it made illegal, it is quite a — but not to have it made illegal, it is quite a complex— but not to have it made illegal, it is quite a complex constitutionall is quite a complex constitutional thing. _ is quite a complex constitutional thing. that— is quite a complex constitutional thing, that should _ is quite a complex constitutional thing, that should be _ is quite a complex constitutional thing, that should be under- is quite a complex constitutionalj thing, that should be under such heated _ thing, that should be under such heated dispute. _ thing, that should be under such heated dispute. countries- heated dispute. countries traditionally— heated dispute. countries traditionally catholic, - heated dispute. countries traditionally catholic, likej heated dispute. countries- traditionally catholic, like ireland have legalised _ traditionally catholic, like ireland have legalised abortion, - traditionally catholic, like ireland have legalised abortion, withoutl have legalised abortion, without really _ have legalised abortion, without really very— have legalised abortion, without really very much _ have legalised abortion, without really very much fuss _ have legalised abortion, without really very much fuss in - have legalised abortion, without really very much fuss in recent i really very much fuss in recent years. — really very much fuss in recent years. and _ really very much fuss in recent years. and not— really very much fuss in recent years. and not very _ really very much fuss in recent years. and not very much - really very much fuss in recent years. and not very much longj really very much fuss in recent - years. and not very much long ago, 20 years— years. and not very much long ago, 20 years ago— years. and not very much long ago, 20 years ago or _ years. and not very much long ago, 20 years ago or so. _ years. and not very much long ago, 20 years ago or so, they— years. and not very much long ago, 20 years ago or so, they were - 20 years ago or so, they were everything — 20 years ago or so, they were everything a — 20 years ago or so, they were everything a teenage - 20 years ago or so, they were everything a teenage girl, - 20 years ago or so, they were | everything a teenage girl, who 20 years ago or so, they were - everything a teenage girl, who had become _ everything a teenage girl, who had become pregnant, _ everything a teenage girl, who had become pregnant, from _ everything a teenage girl, who had become pregnant, from a - everything a teenage girl, who hadi become pregnant, from a travelling to the _ become pregnant, from a travelling to the uk_ become pregnant, from a travelling to the uk to — become pregnant, from a travelling to the uk to have _ become pregnant, from a travelling to the uk to have an _ become pregnant, from a travelling to the uk to have an abortion. - become pregnant, from a travelling to the uk to have an abortion. it's i to the uk to have an abortion. it's very quickly— to the uk to have an abortion. it's very quickly gone. _ to the uk to have an abortion. it's very quickly gone, that _ to the uk to have an abortion. it's very quickly gone, that social- very quickly gone, that social revolution. _ very quickly gone, that social revolution. in— very quickly gone, that social revolution. in america, - very quickly gone, that social revolution. in america, this i very quickly gone, that sociall revolution. in america, this is going — revolution. in america, this is going back— revolution. in america, this is going back way— revolution. in america, this is going back way before - revolution. in america, this is| going back way before trump, revolution. in america, this is- going back way before trump, even before _ going back way before trump, even before reagan. _ going back way before trump, even before reagan, it _ going back way before trump, even before reagan, it is _ going back way before trump, even before reagan, it is a _ going back way before trump, even before reagan, it is a cultural- abortion, it isn't even limited to certain— abortion, it isn't even limited to certain religions _ abortion, it isn't even limited to certain religions or— abortion, it isn't even limited to certain religions or a _ abortion, it isn't even limited to certain religions or a faith - abortion, it isn't even limited to| certain religions or a faith based argument. — certain religions or a faith based argument. its— certain religions or a faith based argument. it's a— certain religions or a faith based argument. it's a rebellion- certain religions or a faith based i argument. it's a rebellion against what _ argument. it's a rebellion against what is _ argument. it's a rebellion against what is considered _ argument. it's a rebellion against what is considered to _ argument. it's a rebellion against what is considered to be - argument. it's a rebellion against what is considered to be a - what is considered to be a cosmopolitan— what is considered to be a cosmopolitan liberal- what is considered to be a cosmopolitan liberal elite | what is considered to be a - cosmopolitan liberal elite imposing their values— cosmopolitan liberal elite imposing their values on— cosmopolitan liberal elite imposing their values on the _ cosmopolitan liberal elite imposing their values on the great _ cosmopolitan liberal elite imposing their values on the great mass- cosmopolitan liberal elite imposing their values on the great mass of. their values on the great mass of their values on the great mass of the population— their values on the great mass of the population who _ their values on the great mass of the population who reject - their values on the great mass of the population who reject those i the population who reject those values. — the population who reject those values. i— the population who reject those values. ican't— the population who reject those values. i can't see _ the population who reject those values. ican't see any- the population who reject those values. i can't see any solutionl the population who reject those l values. i can't see any solution to this. _ values. i can't see any solution to this. frankly. _ values. ican't see any solution to this, frankly. what— values. i can't see any solution to this, frankly. what you _ values. i can't see any solution to this, frankly. what you are - values. i can't see any solution to . this, frankly. what you are implying isjudicial_ this, frankly. what you are implying isjudicial activism _ this, frankly. what you are implying is judicial activism which _ this, frankly. what you are implying is judicial activism which has - this, frankly. what you are implying isjudicial activism which has been. isjudicial activism which has been a subject— isjudicial activism which has been a subject for— isjudicial activism which has been a subject for a _ isjudicial activism which has been a subject for a very _ isjudicial activism which has been a subject for a very long _ isjudicial activism which has been a subject for a very long time, - a subject for a very long time, franklin— a subject for a very long time, franklin roosevelt _ a subject for a very long time, franklin roosevelt packed - a subject for a very long time, franklin roosevelt packed to. a subject for a very long time, . franklin roosevelt packed to the supreme — franklin roosevelt packed to the supreme court. _ franklin roosevelt packed to the supreme court, he _ franklin roosevelt packed to the supreme court, he added - franklin roosevelt packed to the | supreme court, he added justices franklin roosevelt packed to the - supreme court, he added justices to the supreme — supreme court, he added justices to the supreme court— supreme court, he added justices to the supreme court in— supreme court, he added justices to the supreme court in order- supreme court, he added justices to the supreme court in order to- supreme court, he added justices to the supreme court in order to get. the supreme court in order to get his new— the supreme court in order to get his new deal— the supreme court in order to get his new deal legislation _ the supreme court in order to get his new deal legislation through, i the supreme court in order to get. his new deal legislation through, so the idea _ his new deal legislation through, so the idea that — his new deal legislation through, so the idea that supreme _ his new deal legislation through, so the idea that supreme court- his new deal legislation through, so| the idea that supreme courtjustices have political— the idea that supreme courtjustices have political power— the idea that supreme courtjustices have political power is _ the idea that supreme courtjustices have political power is not _ the idea that supreme courtjustices have political power is not new. - have political power is not new. they— have political power is not new. they are — have political power is not new. they are there _ have political power is not new. they are there to _ have political power is not new. they are there to interpret - have political power is not new. they are there to interpret thel they are there to interpret the constitution, _ they are there to interpret the constitution, but _ they are there to interpret the constitution, but of _ they are there to interpret the constitution, but of course - they are there to interpret thel constitution, but of course they interpret — constitution, but of course they interpret it _ constitution, but of course they interpret it in _ constitution, but of course they interpret it in the _ constitution, but of course they interpret it in the terms - constitution, but of course they interpret it in the terms of- constitution, but of course they interpret it in the terms of their own political— interpret it in the terms of their own political beliefs. _ interpret it in the terms of their own political beliefs. that - interpret it in the terms of their own political beliefs. that is. own political beliefs. that is inevitable. _ own political beliefs. that is inevitable, i— own political beliefs. that is inevitable, i think. - own political beliefs. that is inevitable, i think.— own political beliefs. that is inevitable, i think. that creates a aradox, inevitable, i think. that creates a paradox, doesn't _ inevitable, i think. that creates a paradox, doesn't it. _ inevitable, i think. that creates a paradox, doesn't it. the - inevitable, i think. that creates a paradox, doesn't it. the big - paradox, doesn�*t it. the big critique wasjudicial paradox, doesn�*t it. the big critique was judicial activism having come from the liberals, the less, having created all these new rights that once envisaged by the constitution. now it seems some of the rights they created, conservatives think actually could be uncreative because they shouldn�*t have been created by courts in the first place. have been created by courts in the first lace. . have been created by courts in the first lace. , ., ,, ., have been created by courts in the first place-— first place. yes, itmake a false dichotomy _ first place. yes, itmake a false dichotomy now. _ first place. yes, itmake a false dichotomy now. it _ first place. yes, itmake a false dichotomy now. it doesn't - first place. yes, itmake a false. dichotomy now. it doesn't really first place. yes, itmake a false - dichotomy now. it doesn't really any more. _ dichotomy now. it doesn't really any more. and _ dichotomy now. it doesn't really any more. and what you see is a conservative desperate conservatives putting _ conservative desperate conservatives putting their own brand ofjudicial activism. — putting their own brand ofjudicial activism, particularly over the past ten or— activism, particularly over the past ten or 20 _ activism, particularly over the past ten or 20 years through this well oiled _ ten or 20 years through this well oiled machine called the federalist society— oiled machine called the federalist society which they used to sack the courts _ society which they used to sack the courts with — society which they used to sack the courts with conservative judges, and they want— courts with conservative judges, and they want to overturn a precedent which _ they want to overturn a precedent which is _ they want to overturn a precedent which is roe versus wade which has been _ which is roe versus wade which has been established. —— stack the courts. — been established. —— stack the courts. it — been established. —— stack the courts. it has all been turned upside — courts. it has all been turned upside down. we are all seeing, as you indicated, the long arm of the trump _ you indicated, the long arm of the trump presidency, because he has transformed this court by appointing three justices who sounded a very different— three justices who sounded a very different tune on a wednesday than they did _ different tune on a wednesday than they did during their confirmation hearings — they did during their confirmation hearings in the senate. brett cavanagh and amy coney barrett, two of the _ cavanagh and amy coney barrett, two of the trump nominees, to the court, during _ of the trump nominees, to the court, during their— of the trump nominees, to the court, during their senate confirmation hearings. — during their senate confirmation hearings, brett cavanagh said he viewed _ hearings, brett cavanagh said he viewed roe v wade as a settled law and an— viewed roe v wade as a settled law and an established presence that could _ and an established presence that could not— and an established presence that could not be overturned, and again, amy coney— could not be overturned, and again, amy coney barrett made similar kinds of noises _ amy coney barrett made similar kinds of noises about not using her personal— of noises about not using her personal views to interpret the law. and what _ personal views to interpret the law. and what they said on wednesday was very much— and what they said on wednesday was very much about, well, brett cavanagh _ very much about, well, brett cavanagh said, why should abortion be an— cavanagh said, why should abortion be an issue — cavanagh said, why should abortion be an issue for the supreme court, indicating _ be an issue for the supreme court, indicating he thought that the states. — indicating he thought that the states, then it should be cut definite _ states, then it should be cut definite kicks back to the individual states to handle. in reality. — individual states to handle. in reality, what you have, by all indications, the conservative majority _ indications, the conservative majority will report back roe v wade. — majority will report back roe v wade. we _ majority will report back roe v wade, we don't know how far they will explain it, how far they will no, will explain it, how far they will go. but — will explain it, how far they will go, but already you have more than 20 us— go, but already you have more than 20 us states that have abortion laws on their— 20 us states that have abortion laws on their books that would get triggered should there be any rollback— triggered should there be any rollback or change to roe versus wade _ rollback or change to roe versus wade and. — rollback or change to roe versus wade and, in effect, you would have abortion— wade and, in effect, you would have abortion outlawed or severely curtailed _ abortion outlawed or severely curtailed in more than half of the united _ curtailed in more than half of the united states if the supreme court .oes united states if the supreme court goes ahead and does this. this is an earthquake. — goes ahead and does this. this is an earthquake, this is huge of the go ahead _ earthquake, this is huge of the go ahead with — earthquake, this is huge of the go ahead with it. this is the case they have _ ahead with it. this is the case they have been— ahead with it. this is the case they have been waiting for for years. there _ have been waiting for for years. there is— have been waiting for for years. there is huge pressure on those conservatives that have joined the court _ conservatives that have joined the court recently, but organisations like the — court recently, but organisations like the federalist society to hold their ground, like some of the decisions _ their ground, like some of the decisions in the past couple of years— decisions in the past couple of years on— decisions in the past couple of years on abortion cases do not go their— years on abortion cases do not go their way. — years on abortion cases do not go their way. a— years on abortion cases do not go their way. a huge focus on how this goes _ their way. a huge focus on how this goes down. — their way. a huge focus on how this goes down. we their way. a huge focus on how this goes down-— their way. a huge focus on how this goes down. we are going to have to wait, we goes down. we are going to have to wait. we will — goes down. we are going to have to wait, we will have _ goes down. we are going to have to wait, we will have to _ goes down. we are going to have to wait, we will have to wait _ goes down. we are going to have to wait, we will have to wait a - goes down. we are going to have to wait, we will have to wait a while i wait, we will have to wait a while for the actualjudgment to come out, just to sing in the last minutes that have less, there is an argument for this, this having come about as a law in mississippi, another law in texas that has been introduced that curtails the right and apparently established by roe, and this in the end is a matterfor elected politicians, not for a bunch of elder people who were elected by nobody and... they could die in office! ~ ., ., ., .. office! we turn our attention to the elected politicians _ office! we turn our attention to the elected politicians in _ office! we turn our attention to the elected politicians in the _ office! we turn our attention to the elected politicians in the united - elected politicians in the united states. many argue that elected politicians, those branches of government, they are too polarised to really government effectively, therefore, the youth what —— the supreme court the stepping in to make the decisions that the us senate, the us congress, the white house are unable to solve. shin house are unable to solve. an interesting thought, the us congress has never made this, it has limit —— it has left it to the judges and the state, which is an interesting question itself. sillier, janet baker, think you being with us for bbc news this week. do join us, goodbye. —— thank you forjoining us on dateline. next week we will be back. iagain. we i again. we have something of an east—west split with our weather, certainly again, with eastern england having a thickness of the cloud when we have some patchy outbreaks of rain feeding in, elsewhere, a lovely dry day with spells of sunshine developing, the best of the sunshine always across west in most areas, and it has been a glorious start already across parts of devon. that was the early morning sunrise from the torquay area. on the satellite, we can see this cloud, the area of low pressure, the rain and cold winds, and it is still feeding on, patchy outbreaks of rain across eastern areas of england in particular, one or two showers elsewhere, south—west england, if you for northern scotland, but increasingly these areas will become dry with sunshine, becoming more widespread as we go through the day. across eastern england, the rain will become more patchy and we will probably see some brighter spells pushing in. temperatures for the most part around 6—8 , maybe nine or ten in parts of the south—west, cooler third north—west scotland and northern ireland. with these clearing skies tonight, it will turn it cold, cold enough for some patches of rust, but then, tonight, we get the sound of rain are moving in from the atlantic. this is a weather front and as that front bumped into the cold air, we could see some of the rain turned to snow, particularly in scotland. north of the central belt, we may see a key relations of five centimetres through monday morning, but across high reaches of the peaks in the pennines, we may well see a spell of snow for a time. england and wales, it isjust cold snow for a time. england and wales, it is just cold rain that awful, and it is just cold rain that awful, and it is just cold rain that awful, and it is front pushes through, a mixture of sunshine and showers, some of those are wintry, and a much chillier feel to some of those are wintry, and a much chillierfeel to the some of those are wintry, and a much chillier feel to the weather, particularly for northern areas, with temperatures around 3—5 and in the south around seven or eight. we are watching the development on tuesday of a very powerful looking storm, you can see tightly packed isobars developing on this rapidly deepening area of low pressure, and for the moment, the strongest areas look to buffet the republic of eire —— island, and they could reach 80 miles an hour, and in the uk, we have some strong winds, could bring some impact. if that wasn�*t enough, we�*ll see some rain turning to snow across the high ground of scotland and northern england. that will play through and then by thursday, the weather could become quieter. —— should become quieter. this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. the uk becomes the latest country to tighten its travel rules as the omicron variant spreads. from tuesday, all arrivals will need a pre—departure covid test. we wa nt we want to make sure we take those decisions earlier to avoid disruption. a major review into 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