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in flats wrapped in flammable materials. from london to leeds, manchester to merseyside, many homes are unsaved and unsellable. what work needs doing on the building, what needs replaced 7 so, if you look, all the timber cladding that you see all has to come down. those who can least afford it are facing life—changing bills. i'm on universal credit and every penny counts. we are still facing high, huge, out of this universe type of bills. there are warnings this is becoming a mental health crisis too. it's a financial strain that is forced to be to take medication for my mental health. just to keep afloat. safety checks have exposed the failure of building regulations over decades. we were having meetings with governments in 2009 and 2010 with our concerns about the quality issues on building sites. this is britain's building safety crisis. but who is to blame? so this is the children's bedroom. they share a room which you can see is quite cramped, a lot of stuff in here. in south london she has outgrown her one—bedroom flat. this is the living room and... this doubles as your bedroom? yeah. in the evening it's like changing rooms. and in here is my bed. it was 12 months ago when we first met. back then she had just been told that her block is so unsafe it needed round—the—clock fire wardens. i'm angry, i'm actually furious added. this is ruining peoples lives. a, added. this is ruining peoples lives. �* , ., ., , ., added. this is ruining peoples lives. �* , . ., , . . added. this is ruining peoples lives. �*, ., ., , ., ., ., lives. a year-round they have had a fire alarm install _ lives. a year-round they have had a fire alarm install but _ lives. a year-round they have had a fire alarm install but her _ lives. a year-round they have had a fire alarm install but her block - fire alarm install but her block won't get any funding to fix the fire safety faults. 18 metres is the cut up government support. these apartments — cut up government support. these apartments fall _ cut up government support. these apartments fall short. _ cut up government support. these apartments fall short. to - cut up government support. these apartments fall short. to know - cut up government support. these | apartments fall short. to know that we haven't got nothing and it's all down to us is just devastating. because your four stories rather than six stories?— because your four stories rather than six stories? yes, yes we 'ust fall short. — than six stories? yes, yes we 'ust fall short. what i than six stories? yes, yes we 'ust fall short. what colour * than six stories? yes, yes we 'ust fall short. what colour was i than six stories? yes, yes we just fall short. what colour was like i than six stories? yes, yes we just| fall short. what colour was like a? chocolate cake! _ fall short. what colour was like a? chocolate cake! 0h, _ fall short. what colour was like a? chocolate cake! 0h, very - fall short. what colour was like a? chocolate cake! 0h, very nice. - fall short. what colour was like a? | chocolate cake! 0h, very nice. she is out of working _ chocolate cake! 0h, very nice. she is out of working on _ chocolate cake! 0h, very nice. she is out of working on universal - is out of working on universal credit. she bite the housing scheme years ago but her share to fix the building could be up to £30,000. how is the way you feel about your home change through all of this? my mum died when i — change through all of this? my mum died when i was _ change through all of this? my mum died when i was 19. _ change through all of this? my mum died when i was 19. so _ change through all of this? my mum died when i was 19. so the - change through all of this? my mum died when i was 19. so the deposit l died when i was 19. so the deposit for my flat essentially was inheritance. i actually was quite sent to the neck sensible and thought well i'll invest it into something for my life and for my future. fast forward to this now, i feel like it's probably been the worst thing that i've ever done as the guy is sign on the died dotted line. i'm stuck with something that potentially might ruin me. it's hard to think about it all because it's just too much, too heartbreaking. concerns of a building safety were triggered by the grenfell fire in 2017. 72 people died. an triggered by the grenfell fire in 2017.72 people died. an inquiry found the type of cladding use known as acm was the primary cause of the fires rapid spread.— fires rapid spread. something wasn't riuht. since fires rapid spread. something wasn't right. since then _ fires rapid spread. something wasn't right. since then the _ fires rapid spread. something wasn't right. since then the cladding - right. since then the cladding crisis has only _ right. since then the cladding crisis has only escalated, - right. since then the cladding i crisis has only escalated, there been a wave of demonstrations. safety checks on other tower blocks after the grenfell tower fire are not just after the grenfell tower fire are notjust problems with cladding but many other fire safety defects too. flammable balconies, missing fire breaks, defective insulation. at the question at the heart of this issue is who's to blame for those failures, who should pay to fix and? more conservative mps are openly did not overly criticising their own government. not overly criticising their own government-— not overly criticising their own covernment. ., ., , ., ., government. please go on stage and 'oin us. government. please go on stage and join us- the — government. please go on stage and join us- the p _ government. please go on stage and join us. the p for— government. please go on stage and join us. the p for steve _ government. please go on stage and join us. the p for steve edge - government. please go on stage and join us. the p for steve edge has - join us. the p for steve edge has been a thorn _ join us. the p for steve edge has been a thorn in _ join us. the p for steve edge has been a thorn in the _ join us. the p for steve edge has been a thorn in the side - join us. the p for steve edge has been a thorn in the side of- join us. the p for steve edge has i been a thorn in the side of his own party. if been a thorn in the side of his own -a . been a thorn in the side of his own .a . ., �* been a thorn in the side of his own -a . ., �* ., been a thorn in the side of his own party. if we don't want grenfell, if we want buildings _ party. if we don't want grenfell, if we want buildings to _ party. if we don't want grenfell, if we want buildings to be _ party. if we don't want grenfell, if we want buildings to be safe - party. if we don't want grenfell, if| we want buildings to be safe lease holders _ we want buildings to be safe lease holders cannot _ we want buildings to be safe lease holders cannot be _ we want buildings to be safe lease holders cannot be forced - we want buildings to be safe lease holders cannot be forced to - we want buildings to be safe lease holders cannot be forced to pay. l we want buildings to be safe lease i holders cannot be forced to pay. i'm standing _ holders cannot be forced to pay. i'm standing up — holders cannot be forced to pay. i'm standing up for— holders cannot be forced to pay. i'm standing up for not _ holders cannot be forced to pay. i'm standing up for not only— standing up for not only the leaseholders _ standing up for not only the leaseholders in _ standing up for not only the leaseholders in my- standing up for not only the - leaseholders in my constituency but the lease _ leaseholders in my constituency but the lease holders _ leaseholders in my constituency but the lease holders academic- leaseholders in my constituency but the lease holders academic entry. l the lease holders academic entry. there _ the lease holders academic entry. there are — the lease holders academic entry. there are millions _ the lease holders academic entry. there are millions of— the lease holders academic entry. there are millions of people - the lease holders academic entry. . there are millions of people trapped and i don't _ there are millions of people trapped and i don't want _ there are millions of people trapped and i don't want to _ there are millions of people trapped and i don't want to live _ there are millions of people trapped and i don't want to live in _ and i don't want to live in a society— and i don't want to live in a society where _ and i don't want to live in a society where we _ and i don't want to live in a society where we write - and i don't want to live in a society where we write offl and i don't want to live in a - society where we write off millions of people — society where we write off millions of pe0ple. the _ society where we write off millions of --eole. ., .,, of people. the government has announced _ of people. the government has announced a — of people. the government has announced a £5 _ of people. the government has announced a £5 billion - of people. the government has announced a £5 billion fund - of people. the government has announced a £5 billion fund to l announced a £5 billion fund to remove dangerous cladding on the highest risk blocks, about 18 metres was up a 4% cladding tax on developers on profits higher than £25 million will help to pay for it. the buildings under 80 metres, plans for a loan scheme have been pause. currently there is no financial help for those living in smaller blocks. and the housing select committee estimates this is at least a £15 billion problem. that isjust to remove cladding. i billion problem. that is 'ust to remove claddingfi billion problem. that is 'ust to remove cladding. i work so hard constantly. _ remove cladding. i work so hard constantly, working _ remove cladding. i work so hard constantly, working to - remove cladding. i work so hard constantly, working to provide l remove cladding. i work so hard - constantly, working to provide proof of my child, working to provide a roof for my child that i did the thought that that could just go away in an instant because i already seen people become bankrupt because of the situation.— the situation. sophie bought this to bed flat in chelmsford _ the situation. sophie bought this to bed flat in chelmsford just - the situation. sophie bought this to bed flat in chelmsford just weeks . bed flat in chelmsford just weeks before her son reuben was born. but their world came crashing down. which part of the building is a problem? which part of the building is a roblem? �* , ., which part of the building is a roblem? �* i. i. , problem? behind you you can see the acm paneis- — problem? behind you you can see the acm paneis- so _ problem? behind you you can see the acm panels. so this _ problem? behind you you can see the acm panels. so this stuff _ problem? behind you you can see the acm panels. so this stuff here? - acm panels. so this stuff here? that's the _ acm panels. so this stuff here? that's the same _ acm panels. so this stuff here? that's the same type _ acm panels. so this stuff here? that's the same type of - acm panels. so this stuff here? | that's the same type of cladding acm panels. so this stuff here? - that's the same type of cladding as grenfell. sophie is left to find out how much it may cost to remove and it's taking a toll on her mental health. �* ., , , , ., health. i've had depression where ou can't health. i've had depression where you can't get _ health. i've had depression where you can't get an — health. i've had depression where you can't get an couldn't - health. i've had depression where you can't get an couldn't see - health. i've had depression where you can't get an couldn't see the l you can't get an couldn't see the point in anything. i've been able to pick myself up from the worst of it but since then i've had such bad issues with anxiety. some days i feel like i can't leave the house was up and i have physical problems leaving the house because i feel sick. , leaving the house because i feel sick, , , ., leaving the house because i feel sick. , ., ., ., sick. sophie is not alone in her struggles- _ sick. sophie is not alone in her struggles. i've _ sick. sophie is not alone in her struggles. i've come _ sick. sophie is not alone in her struggles. i've come to - sick. sophie is not alone in her i struggles. i've come to sheffield sick. sophie is not alone in her - struggles. i've come to sheffield to find out more about how housing and health are interlinked. new research carried out by academics here and shared exclusively with the bbc found that the building safety crisis is having a severe impact on the mental health of some leaseholders. it the mental health of some leaseholders.— the mental health of some leaseholders. it was a kind of really catastrophic _ leaseholders. it was a kind of| really catastrophic experience leaseholders. it was a kind of - really catastrophic experience for some _ really catastrophic experience for some people. that's not something that exist _ some people. that's not something that exist today but kind of goes on in the _ that exist today but kind of goes on in the future as well. i and worst—case scenarios goes? several people _ worst—case scenarios goes? several people as _ worst—case scenarios goes? several people as point of crisis through building — people as point of crisis through building safety problems. this is in a result— building safety problems. this is in a result of— building safety problems. this is in a result of them needing to get immediate help from a gp. things like feeling that they could go on, they were — like feeling that they could go on, they were trapped and they couldn't see a _ they were trapped and they couldn't see a way— they were trapped and they couldn't see a way out of this crisis was leading — see a way out of this crisis was leading to _ see a way out of this crisis was leading to feelings of suicide and self—harm. if we don't see a change in policy, _ self—harm. if we don't see a change in policy, some action actually, where — in policy, some action actually, where is — in policy, some action actually, where is this going to end? back in chelmsford — where is this going to end? back in chelmsford sophie _ where is this going to end? back in chelmsford sophie went _ where is this going to end? back in chelmsford sophie went to - where is this going to end? back in chelmsford sophie went to her - where is this going to end? back in chelmsford sophie went to her gp| where is this going to end? back in i chelmsford sophie went to her gp for help and has been prescribed anti—anxiety medication. the doctor was so shocked by her situation he wrote to her local mp asking her to raise the issues in parliament. sophia's he's focuses now on her son who has recently diagnosed with autism. the family is desperate to move somewhere bigger that meets his needs. fin move somewhere bigger that meets his needs. , , ., needs. on the very tip of the iceber: , needs. on the very tip of the iceberg. on _ needs. on the very tip of the iceberg, on the _ needs. on the very tip of the iceberg, on the lucky - needs. on the very tip of the iceberg, on the lucky ones i needs. on the very tip of the i iceberg, on the lucky ones that have support around me. my love for my son has enabled me to drag myself up from the depths of despair to go reach out to get help, to keep myself in check. he reach out to get help, to keep myself in check.— reach out to get help, to keep myself in check. he has worked in the construction _ myself in check. he has worked in the construction sector _ myself in check. he has worked in the construction sector to - myself in check. he has worked in the construction sector to sector i the construction sector to sector forfour the construction sector to sector for four decades. the construction sector to sector forfour decades. he says building regulations are shrunk from 300 pages to 2a pages over the years and can be ambiguous. to what extent has this crisis been 30 to two years in the making? i this crisis been 30 to two years in the making?— this crisis been 30 to two years in the making? i think it goes back to the making? i think it goes back to the 70s and _ the making? i think it goes back to the 70s and 80s _ the making? i think it goes back to the 70s and 80s in _ the making? i think it goes back to the 70s and 80s in terms - the making? i think it goes back to the 70s and 80s in terms of- the making? i think it goes back to| the 70s and 80s in terms of the old deregulation bandwagon. we were having meetings with governments in 2009, 2010 with our concerns about the quality issues on building size. it's been there for a very long time. ., ' ' 3:1 it's been there for a very long time. .,"j~:: ., ., time. rewind to 1980 for, tower blocks are _ time. rewind to 1980 for, tower blocks are being _ time. rewind to 1980 for, tower blocks are being completely - blocks are being completely recovered or reclad and new materials. this is a bbc documentary called the great british housing disaster for engineers warned of the possible fire risks from cladding even back then. i possible fire risks from cladding even back then.— even back then. i think it's absolutely _ even back then. i think it's absolutely essential - even back then. i think it's absolutely essential that l even back then. i think it's - absolutely essential that anything that it _ absolutely essential that anything that it been placed on or around existing — that it been placed on or around existing block should be considered very carefully in relation to a very serious _ very carefully in relation to a very serious file — very carefully in relation to a very serious file. we very carefully in relation to a very serious file.— serious file. we think the citizens bein: serious file. we think the citizens being used _ serious file. we think the citizens being used were _ serious file. we think the citizens being used were fire _ serious file. we think the citizens being used were fire risk was? i being used were fire risk was? frankly. — being used were fire risk was? frankly. yes _ being used were fire risk was? frankly, yes. would _ being used were fire risk was? frankly, yes. would you - being used were fire risk was? frankly, yes. would you be . being used were fire risk was? - frankly, yes. would you be prepared to them? no. industry experts have warned that the construction workforce has become used to marking its own homework.— its own homework. we've lost the independent. _ its own homework. we've lost the independent, quality _ its own homework. we've lost the independent, quality checks - its own homework. we've lost the independent, quality checks on i independent, quality checks on construction sites that were always part and parcel of the process. for example, architects and engineers are used to go on site regularly to supervise the work, they really go on—site now. do supervise the work, they really go on-site now-— on-site now. do you think the system is broken then? _ on-site now. do you think the system is broken then? i _ on-site now. do you think the system is broken then? i think _ on-site now. do you think the system is broken then? i think the _ on-site now. do you think the system is broken then? i think the system i is broken then? i think the system was broken _ is broken then? i think the system was broken in _ is broken then? i think the system was broken in 2017. _ is broken then? i think the system was broken in 2017. i _ is broken then? i think the system was broken in 2017. i think - is broken then? i think the system was broken in 2017. i think we are| was broken in 2017. i think we are gradually fixing it up now. it's a massive job. gradually fixing it up now. it's a massive job-— gradually fixing it up now. it's a massive 'ob. ~ ., , massive job. with the new housing secretary recently _ massive job. with the new housing secretary recently and _ massive job. with the new housing secretary recently and post - massive job. with the new housing secretary recently and post that i massive job. with the new housing | secretary recently and post that has been a change in tone from government. in his first appearance before the housing committee michael gove questioned why they should have to pay it all? we gove questioned why they should have to -a it all? ~ ., gove questioned why they should have to -a itall? ~ ., ., gove questioned why they should have to pay it all?— to pay it all? we also have a responsibility _ to pay it all? we also have a responsibility to _ to pay it all? we also have a responsibility to relieve - to pay it all? we also have a. responsibility to relieve some to pay it all? we also have a - responsibility to relieve some of the obligation faced by leaseholders at the _ the obligation faced by leaseholders at the moment who are innocent parties _ at the moment who are innocent parties in — at the moment who are innocent parties in this. and who are being in nnany— parties in this. and who are being in many circumstances asked to pay disproportionate psalms. and in many circumstances asked to pay disproportionate psalms.— disproportionate psalms. and when asked who was _ disproportionate psalms. and when asked who was responsible - disproportionate psalms. and when asked who was responsible for- disproportionate psalms. and when asked who was responsible for the l asked who was responsible for the problems in the first place, mr gove said while local and central government had a role he also hit out at developers. {lilia government had a role he also hit out at developers.— government had a role he also hit out at developers. ok, the sheriff or sheriffs might _ out at developers. ok, the sheriff or sheriffs might not _ out at developers. ok, the sheriff or sheriffs might not have - out at developers. ok, the sheriff or sheriffs might not have been i out at developers. ok, the sheriff| or sheriffs might not have been on the ball— or sheriffs might not have been on the ball but the cowboys were behaving like cowboys in an unregulated way.— behaving like cowboys in an unregulated way. back in london where it was _ unregulated way. back in london where it was supposed _ unregulated way. back in london where it was supposed to - unregulated way. back in london where it was supposed to start i unregulated way. back in london| where it was supposed to start on her block in october but has been delayed. she bought this flat through a government affordable housing scheme so she only owns 50% of it. in terms of the lease mean she's liable for 100% of the cause. what is the reality of a shared ownership and for you? i what is the reality of a shared ownership and for you? i don't think shared ownership _ ownership and for you? i don't think shared ownership is _ ownership and for you? i don't think shared ownership is fit _ ownership and for you? i don't think shared ownership is fit for _ ownership and for you? i don't think shared ownership is fit for purpose. | shared ownership is fit for purpose. it is help people like me who couldn't afford to get a full mortgage on a property. so i was able to own half of it and pay rent on the other, it's really done me a disservice. i wouldn't recommend anybody to go on a shared ownership. housing experts say the cladding crisis has exposed the flaw in the shared ownership model and wanted reform. i shared ownership model and wanted reform. ~ ,. shared ownership model and wanted reform. ~' ,. ., , ., reform. i think the scheme does have a fundamental _ reform. i think the scheme does have a fundamental unfairness. _ reform. i think the scheme does have a fundamental unfairness. there - reform. i think the scheme does have a fundamental unfairness. there are l a fundamental unfairness. there are potential— a fundamental unfairness. there are potential liabilities which are so great _ potential liabilities which are so great that people are potentially going _ great that people are potentially going to go bankrupt and lose their homes _ going to go bankrupt and lose their homes. any scheme which purports to be affordable housing and which could _ be affordable housing and which could lead people in that situation is not _ could lead people in that situation is not doing itsjob. could lead people in that situation is not doing its job.— could lead people in that situation is not doing its job. is not doing its 'ob. emma's housing association is not doing its job. emma's housing association told _ is not doing its job. emma's housing association told us _ is not doing its job. emma's housing association told us our _ is not doing its job. emma's housing association told us our number one | association told us our number one priority remains keeping residents say. in essex there is better news, the developer of sophia's blockers agreed to cover the cost of removing and replacing the dangerous cladding. a huge relief for those living here. a generation of homeowners face financial ruin through no fault of their own. 0rdinary people have been forced to become protesters, determined to mmp become protesters, determined to ramp up the pressure on government developers and building owners to take greater responsibility for their part in this crisis. hello and welcome to sportsday. welcome along, thanks forjoining us. a thriller at twickenham where england snatch a dramatic win over south africa. same old story for 0le — manchester united are thrashed at watford — after another embarrassing result in the premier league. and lewis hamilton powers to pole position in qualifying in qatar — as the battle for formula 0ne's drivers championship hots up in the desert. welcome along, thanks forjoining us. more on a day of drama in the premier league to come but we start at twickenham where england and south africa have played out a thriller. in the first meeting between the two since the 2019 world cup final, england came out on the right side of the result this time. it was close. 27—26 — as a last minute penalty sent the crowd wild. joe lynskey reports. don't let the moves fool you. right now south africa are of a brute force tea m. perhaps even better when they won the world cup. that final with england was two years ago and twickenham has not forgotten. giving so much for the line he had to go off with injury. he's part of what the coach calls the ensemble attack, a mix of boys and battering rams, like freddie stewart. but always south africa stay in touch. with 15 minutes left they kicked their way in front. this year england have found new stars. rafik is just 20 could barely believe he'd scored. but still the springboks came back with one minute they were two points in front but england won a penalty.

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