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alok sharma, this reflects where we are in the space at this time. it is comprehensive, he says, it is balanced, and it reflects the urgency of the month. but it eventually produced are oncology team there is a their success or failure. there will be some who say it falls well short of what was expected given the warning that we have seen, the extreme weather events we have seen over the last year, as alok sharma said. the target of keeping the 1.5 degrees rise in global temperatures alive is on life support, and a deposit is very weak, he said. but he thinks that any of these documents are great in the last hour, a process has been started and we must hope that before the next cop, in egypt, there will be tangible progress towards what has been a great over the course of the last two weeks. i want to bring in klara winkler, from the federation of young grains. first, i want to mention a tweet by greta thundberg, she has been watching, clearly, and she says, a brief summary of the cop26 summit, it is over, it is blah, blah, blah, but the real work continues outside this hall and we will never give up, ever. what you make of that tweet? is greta thundberg right? it is all blah, blah, blah? i is greta thundberg right? it is all blah, blah. blah?— is greta thundberg right? it is all blah, blah, blah? i completely agree with this. blah, blah, blah? i completely agree with this- it — blah, blah, blah? i completely agree with this. it is _ blah, blah, blah? i completely agree with this. it is all— blah, blah, blah? i completely agree with this. it is all blah, _ blah, blah, blah? i completely agree with this. it is all blah, blah, - with this. it is all blah, blah, blah. before the last minute of those negotiations, we had a fossil fuel phase—out, or ref phase—out of fossil fuel fuel phase—out, or ref phase—out of fossilfuel subsidies, and now we have coal of fossilfuel fossilfuel subsidies, and now we have coal of fossil fuel faced down. nobody knows what that means, nobody knows how that is measured, and it definitely will not save our future, it will definitely not keep the earth over heating below 1.5 degrees, and it will set many nonstop extreme weather events from occurring. but nonstop extreme weather events from occurrini. �* .., i. nonstop extreme weather events from occurrini. �* , occurring. but can you see the point of alok sharma, _ occurring. but can you see the point of alok sharma, that _ occurring. but can you see the point of alok sharma, that there - occurring. but can you see the point of alok sharma, that there is - occurring. but can you see the point of alok sharma, that there is a - of alok sharma, that there is a process that has started here, it is the first time that coal and fossil fuel has been mentioned in any climate summit text, and also the target is that these countries have to come up with, there is an acceleration process, they will have to be a new target next year, and the year after, things are happening much more quickly. 50. the year after, things are happening much more quickly.— much more quickly. so, first of all, that targets — much more quickly. so, first of all, that targets these _ much more quickly. so, first of all, that targets these countries - much more quickly. so, first of all, that targets these countries are - that targets these countries are coming up with, there is a huge gap between the targets and their actions, so this is really another blah, blah, blah, basically. and we also don't think that just mentioning fossil fuels, to also don't think that just mentioning fossilfuels, to have them somewhere in the document, is going to change anything if they are surrounded by weak wording. greta thundber: surrounded by weak wording. greta thundberg said _ surrounded by weak wording. greta thundberg said early _ surrounded by weak wording. greta thundberg said early in _ surrounded by weak wording. greta thundberg said early in the week that she was going to seek legal action to force the un to declare a level three emergency, which we have had for the pandemic, that is how we have responded as a global community to the pandemic we have been fighting. do you think that sort of urgency is now required? i definitely think so, yes, and i think that the people on the streets are the ones who can make the real work happen, and legal result is the last thing we can turn to. let’s last thing we can turn to. let's brini in last thing we can turn to. let's bring in a _ last thing we can turn to. let's bring in a representative - last thing we can turn to. let's bring in a representative from| last thing we can turn to. let's bring in a representative from the climate and intelligence unit, what did you make of the late change in the text, india changing a word from phasing out coal to phasing down coal? . phasing out coal to phasing down coal? , , ., ., ., , ., coal? yes, you heard many of the small island _ coal? yes, you heard many of the small island states _ coal? yes, you heard many of the small island states expressing - small island states expressing really — small island states expressing really deep disappointment at that, at that— really deep disappointment at that, at that watering down. however, they did recognise that they wanted to have the — did recognise that they wanted to have the overall package and that is why many— have the overall package and that is why many did let it go through but there _ why many did let it go through but there was— why many did let it go through but there was deep disappointment and that is_ there was deep disappointment and that is understandable. there is something to be said, however, for having _ something to be said, however, for having fossil fuels mentioned for the firat— having fossil fuels mentioned for the first time in over two decades in the _ the first time in over two decades in the face — the first time in over two decades in the face of this political deal, and i_ in the face of this political deal, and i think, actually, your other guest _ and i think, actually, your other guest is — and i think, actually, your other guest is right that there is still a lot of— guest is right that there is still a lot of public anger and public suaport— lot of public anger and public support for more ambition that i expect— support for more ambition that i expect we — support for more ambition that i expect we will see more of in the coming _ expect we will see more of in the coming year or two.— expect we will see more of in the coming year or two. having watched the negotiation _ coming year or two. having watched the negotiation over— coming year or two. having watched the negotiation over the _ coming year or two. having watched the negotiation over the last - coming year or two. having watched the negotiation over the last three l the negotiation over the last three orfour the negotiation over the last three or four days, the negotiation over the last three orfourdays, in the negotiation over the last three orfour days, in particular, there was a question as to whether the uk presidency had set the floor or the ceiling in the document, and i think as it turned out, it was probably the floor because the coal section stayed in throughout the negotiation, the finance language got strengthened overnight, there is now loss and damage mentioned in the text, so, actually, from what was probably a fairly ambitious text or it was perceived that way on wednesday from the presidency, it got stronger as the days went on. the text certainly became more balanced — the text certainly became more balanced because the first draft of that text _ balanced because the first draft of that text was much more focused on mitigation, — that text was much more focused on mitigation, on reducing the greenhouse gas emissions and ramping up greenhouse gas emissions and ramping up that— greenhouse gas emissions and ramping up that process by which countries come _ up that process by which countries come back— up that process by which countries come back and improve their promises but it— come back and improve their promises but it was— come back and improve their promises but it was very weak on the finance and it _ but it was very weak on the finance and it it — but it was very weak on the finance and it... it was stronger at the time _ and it... it was stronger at the time on — and it... it was stronger at the time on loss and damage but that has been watered down, and i think we mustn't _ been watered down, and i think we mustn't forget that the uk actually does have the presidency for the whole _ does have the presidency for the whole year, until the next cop. so whole year, untilthe next cop. so the whole year, until the next cop. they take it whole year, until the next cop. 5;r they take it all whole year, until the next cop. 55 they take it all the way to egypt? that's right, and there are certain things— that's right, and there are certain things that — that's right, and there are certain things that maybe there will be activists— things that maybe there will be activists or climate campaigners will he _ activists or climate campaigners will be asking for which is more of a political— will be asking for which is more of a political process. what is going to happen — a political process. what is going to happen with this finance? is it going _ to happen with this finance? is it going to — to happen with this finance? is it going to be discussed at the g7 and the deed _ going to be discussed at the g7 and the deed 20 flash and the 620? to make _ the deed 20 flash and the 620? to make sure — the deed 20 flash and the 620? to make sure that when they turn up there _ make sure that when they turn up there there — make sure that when they turn up there there is something a bit more concrete _ there there is something a bit more concrete on — there there is something a bit more concrete on the loss and damage and on the _ concrete on the loss and damage and on the finance for developing countries. on the finance for developing countries-— on the finance for developing countries. . . , ., countries. clara, let me put that iuestion countries. clara, let me put that question to _ countries. clara, let me put that question to you. _ countries. clara, let me put that question to you, when _ countries. clara, let me put that question to you, when i - countries. clara, let me put that question to you, when i talked l countries. clara, let me put that - question to you, when i talked about the ambition, you smiled, you don't see ambition here at all, do you? no, i don't see ambition and i especially don't see that the text got stronger or more balanced because the loss and damage was watered down from a fund to a workshop, so we see that the rich countries that pausing the damages now —— have no intention to come up and take responsibility and do anything about this climate injustice. it anything about this climate in'ustice. _, , anything about this climate in'ustice. , ., .. anything about this climate in'ustice. , ., ., , injustice. it comes down to trust, doesnt injustice. it comes down to trust, doesn't it? _ injustice. it comes down to trust, doesn't it? and _ injustice. it comes down to trust, doesn't it? and there _ injustice. it comes down to trust, doesn't it? and there is - injustice. it comes down to trust, doesn't it? and there is precious| doesn't it? and there is precious little trust among young activists like yourself. i little trust among young activists like yourself-— like yourself. i mean, i speak for me, i like yourself. i mean, i speak for me. i really _ like yourself. i mean, i speak for me, i really have _ like yourself. i mean, i speak for me, i really have lost _ like yourself. i mean, i speak for me, i really have lost trust - like yourself. i mean, i speak for me, i really have lost trust in - me, i really have lost trust in politicians and i think we really need all people rising and going to the streets to make climate action happened. the streets to make climate action ha ened. . ~' ,. , the streets to make climate action hauened. . ~ , . happened. thank you very much, i want to get _ happened. thank you very much, i want to get back _ happened. thank you very much, i want to get back into _ happened. thank you very much, i want to get back into the - happened. thank you very much, i want to get back into the hole - want to get back into the hole because the european union delegation is speaking. itruiitli because the european union delegation is speaking. with strong confidence that _ delegation is speaking. with strong confidence that this _ delegation is speaking. with strong confidence that this cop _ delegation is speaking. with strong confidence that this cop was - delegation is speaking. with strong confidence that this cop was a - delegation is speaking. with strongj confidence that this cop was a step in the right direction. it is important that we were able to agree on the need to significantly reduce global emissions already in this critical decade. parties need to update their embassies as a part of their response to climate urgency in line with what science tells us. this is the only way to keep the goal of 1.5 l this is the only way to keep the goal of1.5 l i. this is the only way to keep the goal of 1.5 l i. for the eu, it is of key importance that we were able to conclude on the rule book. this way, we will be able to fully implement the paris agreement with the necessary ambition for meeting a climate neutral and resilient future. forachieving climate neutral and resilient future. for achieving this goal, we will have to align all financial flows towards low emissions and climate resilient development. equally important is a determination to increase climate finance, especially for adaptation for most vulnerable developing countries. the eu will be committed to scale up its conclusions to planet finance. we welcome the progress made in relation to the global goal on adaptation and welcome the agreement of the functions of santiago network for loss and damage. i am very pleased to announce that some member states have already expressed their will to provide financial support for it. here in glasgow, we succeeded to put loss and damage on the agenda of our work, which is particularly important for the most vulnerable countries. important for the implantation of the paris agreement was active involvement of civil society, medically the use and nonparty actors. the eu will continue to support global climate agenda and the work of all nonparty stakeholders in the fight against climate change. mr president, colleagues, our response ability for achieving goals of the paris agreement is a shared commitment of all of us. we need to do everything we can to substantially increase climate ambition, only together we can achieve our common goals for a better future. can achieve our common goals for a betterfuture. and now can achieve our common goals for a better future. and now let can achieve our common goals for a betterfuture. and now let me can achieve our common goals for a better future. and now let me give the floor to the executive vice president. the floor to the executive vice president-— the floor to the executive vice resident. ., ,, , ., , . ., president. thank you very much, and i will be mercifully _ president. thank you very much, and i will be mercifully brief— president. thank you very much, and i will be mercifully brief this - i will be mercifully brief this time — i will be mercifully brief this time dear— i will be mercifully brief this time. dearallah. _ i will be mercifully brief this time. dearallah. you - i will be mercifully brief this| time. dearallah. you know, i will be mercifully brief this - time. dearallah. you know, my —— dear— time. dearallah. you know, my —— dear alok— time. dearallah. you know, my —— dear alok sharma. _ time. dearallah. you know, my —— dear alok sharma. my— time. dearallah. you know, my —— dear alok sharma. my favourite - dear alok sharma. my favourite glaswegian _ dear alok sharma. my favourite glaswegian is— dear alok sharma. my favourite glaswegian is a _ dear alok sharma. my favourite glaswegian is a man _ dear alok sharma. my favourite glaswegian is a man called - dear alok sharma. my favourite j glaswegian is a man called billy connelly, — glaswegian is a man called billy connelty, he— glaswegian is a man called billy connelly, he is— glaswegian is a man called billy connelly, he is a _ glaswegian is a man called billy connelly, he is a moment - glaswegian is a man called billy connelly, he is a moment of. glaswegian is a man called billy- connelly, he is a moment of humour and humanity— connelly, he is a moment of humour and humanity and _ connelly, he is a moment of humour and humanity and he _ connelly, he is a moment of humour and humanity and he once _ connelly, he is a moment of humour and humanity and he once said - connelly, he is a moment of humour and humanity and he once said thatl and humanity and he once said that scotland _ and humanity and he once said that scotland has — and humanity and he once said that scotland has two _ and humanity and he once said that scotland has two seasons, - and humanity and he once said that scotland has two seasons, june - and humanity and he once said thatj scotland has two seasons, june and winter~ _ scotland has two seasons, june and winter. sadly, — scotland has two seasons, june and winter~ sadly, we _ scotland has two seasons, june and winter. sadly, we were _ scotland has two seasons, june and winter. sadly, we were not- scotland has two seasons, june and winter. sadly, we were not able - scotland has two seasons, june and winter. sadly, we were not able toi winter. sadly, we were not able to verify— winter. sadly, we were not able to verify whether _ winter. sadly, we were not able to verify whether that _ winter. sadly, we were not able to verify whether that was _ winter. sadly, we were not able to verify whether that was true - winter. sadly, we were not able to verify whether that was true but i verify whether that was true but what _ verify whether that was true but what we — verify whether that was true but what we do _ verify whether that was true but what we do know, _ verify whether that was true but what we do know, being - verify whether that was true but what we do know, being here i verify whether that was true but what we do know, being here inj what we do know, being here in glasgow. — what we do know, being here in glasgow. that _ what we do know, being here in glasgow, that we _ what we do know, being here in glasgow, that we need - what we do know, being here in glasgow, that we need to - what we do know, being here in glasgow, that we need to be i what we do know, being here in- glasgow, that we need to be thankful too that— glasgow, that we need to be thankful too that citizens _ glasgow, that we need to be thankful too that citizens of _ glasgow, that we need to be thankful too that citizens of glasgow— glasgow, that we need to be thankful too that citizens of glasgow and - too that citizens of glasgow and scotland — too that citizens of glasgow and scotland to _ too that citizens of glasgow and scotland to have _ too that citizens of glasgow and scotland to have been - too that citizens of glasgow and scotland to have been our - too that citizens of glasgow and| scotland to have been our hosts too that citizens of glasgow and i scotland to have been our hosts in the last _ scotland to have been our hosts in the last couple _ scotland to have been our hosts in the last couple of— scotland to have been our hosts in the last couple of weeks. - scotland to have been our hosts in the last couple of weeks. and - scotland to have been our hosts in the last couple of weeks. and if. the last couple of weeks. and if someone — the last couple of weeks. and if someone doesn't _ the last couple of weeks. and if someone doesn't believe - the last couple of weeks. and if someone doesn't believe in - the last couple of weeks. and if someone doesn't believe in thej someone doesn't believe in the possibility— someone doesn't believe in the possibility of _ someone doesn't believe in the possibility of transition, - someone doesn't believe in the possibility of transition, they i possibility of transition, they should — possibility of transition, they should talk— possibility of transition, they should talk to _ possibility of transition, they should talk to people - possibility of transition, they should talk to people who i possibility of transition, they i should talk to people who knew glasgow — should talk to people who knew glasgow in _ should talk to people who knew glasgow in the _ should talk to people who knew glasgow in the 1980s. - should talk to people who knew glasgow in the 1980s. and - should talk to people who knew glasgow in the 1980s. and lookj should talk to people who knew. glasgow in the 1980s. and look at glasgow— glasgow in the 1980s. and look at glasgow today~ _ glasgow in the 1980s. and look at glasgow today. glaswegians - glasgow in the 1980s. and look at glasgow today. glaswegians have| glasgow today. glaswegians have completed — glasgow today. glaswegians have completed a _ glasgow today. glaswegians have completed a miracle _ glasgow today. glaswegians have completed a miracle in— glasgow today. glaswegians have i completed a miracle in transforming their city— completed a miracle in transforming their city from — completed a miracle in transforming their city from a _ completed a miracle in transforming their city from a industrial— completed a miracle in transforming their city from a industrial old - their city from a industrial old city into— their city from a industrial old city into this _ their city from a industrial old city into this vibrant, - their city from a industrial old city into this vibrant, modern| their city from a industrial old - city into this vibrant, modern city where _ city into this vibrant, modern city where it— city into this vibrant, modern city where it is— city into this vibrant, modern city where it is a _ city into this vibrant, modern city where it is a delight _ city into this vibrant, modern city where it is a delight to _ city into this vibrant, modern city where it is a delight to walk - where it is a delight to walk around _ where it is a delight to walk around but— where it is a delight to walk around. but billy— where it is a delight to walk around. but billy connolly. where it is a delight to walk i around. but billy connolly also taught— around. but billy connolly also taught me _ around. but billy connolly also taught me to— around. but billy connolly also taught me to never— around. but billy connolly also taught me to never become i around. but billy connolly also - taught me to never become cynical. billy connolly — taught me to never become cynical. billy connolly is _ taught me to never become cynical. billy connolly is also _ taught me to never become cynical. billy connolly is also somebody- taught me to never become cynical. j billy connolly is also somebody who lived and _ billy connolly is also somebody who lived and lives _ billy connolly is also somebody who lived and lives according _ billy connolly is also somebody who lived and lives according to - billy connolly is also somebody who lived and lives according to what - lived and lives according to what churchill — lived and lives according to what churchill said _ lived and lives according to what churchill said about _ lived and lives according to what churchill said about success, - churchill said about success, walking _ churchill said about success, walking from _ churchill said about success, walking from failure - churchill said about success, walking from failure to - churchill said about success, l walking from failure to failure, never— walking from failure to failure, never losing _ walking from failure to failure, never losing your— walking from failure to failure, never losing your good - walking from failure to failure, i never losing your good humour. walking from failure to failure, - never losing your good humour. and i have to _ never losing your good humour. and i have to say, _ never losing your good humour. and i have to say, being _ never losing your good humour. and i have to say, being in— never losing your good humour. and i have to say, being in this _ never losing your good humour. and i have to say, being in this process, - have to say, being in this process, you need — have to say, being in this process, you need something _ have to say, being in this process, you need something of— have to say, being in this process, you need something of that. - have to say, being in this process, you need something of that. and i have to say, being in this process, - you need something of that. and what you need something of that. and what you did, _ you need something of that. and what you did, alok— you need something of that. and what you did, alok sharma, _ you need something of that. and what you did, alok sharma, the _ you need something of that. and what you did, alok sharma, the last- you need something of that. and what you did, alok sharma, the last two- you did, alok sharma, the last two years. _ you did, alok sharma, the last two years. not— you did, alok sharma, the last two years, not walking _ you did, alok sharma, the last two years, not walking from _ you did, alok sharma, the last two years, not walking from failure - you did, alok sharma, the last two years, not walking from failure to. years, not walking from failure to failure, _ years, not walking from failure to failure, but— years, not walking from failure to failure, but never— years, not walking from failure to failure, but never losing - years, not walking from failure to failure, but never losing your- years, not walking from failure to l failure, but never losing your sense of humour— failure, but never losing your sense of humour and _ failure, but never losing your sense of humour and your— failure, but never losing your sense of humour and your good _ failure, but never losing your sense of humour and your good humour, i failure, but never losing your sense i of humour and your good humour, and that was— of humour and your good humour, and that was extremely— of humour and your good humour, and that was extremely important - of humour and your good humour, and that was extremely important to - of humour and your good humour, and that was extremely important to get . that was extremely important to get us where _ that was extremely important to get us where we — that was extremely important to get us where we are _ that was extremely important to get us where we are now. _ that was extremely important to get us where we are now. my— that was extremely important to get| us where we are now. my colleagues have said _ us where we are now. my colleagues have said everything _ us where we are now. my colleagues have said everything that— us where we are now. my colleagues have said everything that need - us where we are now. my colleagues have said everything that need to . us where we are now. my colleagues have said everything that need to bej have said everything that need to be said that _ have said everything that need to be said that we — have said everything that need to be said that we have _ have said everything that need to be said that we have decided, - have said everything that need to be said that we have decided, and - have said everything that need to be said that we have decided, and the i said that we have decided, and the fact that _ said that we have decided, and the fact that we — said that we have decided, and the fact that we said _ said that we have decided, and the fact that we said in _ said that we have decided, and the fact that we said in the _ said that we have decided, and the fact that we said in the outset - said that we have decided, and the fact that we said in the outset we i fact that we said in the outset we need _ fact that we said in the outset we need to— fact that we said in the outset we need to keep _ fact that we said in the outset we need to keep 15— fact that we said in the outset we need to keep 1.5 alive, _ fact that we said in the outset we need to keep 1.5 alive, and - fact that we said in the outset we need to keep 1.5 alive, and we i fact that we said in the outset we i need to keep 1.5 alive, and we have achieved _ need to keep 1.5 alive, and we have achieved that, — need to keep 1.5 alive, and we have achieved that, is _ need to keep 1.5 alive, and we have achieved that, is of— need to keep 1.5 alive, and we have achieved that, is of historic - achieved that, is of historic importance, _ achieved that, is of historic importance, historic- achieved that, is of historic - importance, historic importance. but to people _ importance, historic importance. but to people outside _ importance, historic importance. but to people outside of— importance, historic importance. but to people outside of this— importance, historic importance. but to people outside of this room, - importance, historic importance. but to people outside of this room, 1.5. to people outside of this room, 1.5 very often— to people outside of this room, 1.5 very often that _ to people outside of this room, 1.5 very often that doesn't _ to people outside of this room, 1.5 very often that doesn't mean - very often that doesn't mean anything. _ very often that doesn't mean anything. lrut— very often that doesn't mean anything, but to _ very often that doesn't mean anything, but to be - very often that doesn't mean anything, but to be able - very often that doesn't mean anything, but to be able to l very often that doesn't mean i anything, but to be able to say very often that doesn't mean - anything, but to be able to say to our children. _ anything, but to be able to say to our children, to— anything, but to be able to say to our children, to our— anything, but to be able to say to our children, to our citizens, - our children, to our citizens, listen, — our children, to our citizens, listen, if— our children, to our citizens, listen, if we _ our children, to our citizens, listen, if we do _ our children, to our citizens, listen, if we do what - our children, to our citizens, listen, if we do what we - our children, to our citizens, - listen, if we do what we promise herei _ listen, if we do what we promise here, humanity— listen, if we do what we promise here, humanity will— listen, if we do what we promise here, humanity will learn - listen, if we do what we promise here, humanity will learn to - listen, if we do what we promise here, humanity will learn to live | here, humanity will learn to live within _ here, humanity will learn to live within planetary _ here, humanity will learn to live within planetary boundaries, - here, humanity will learn to live . within planetary boundaries, which means— within planetary boundaries, which means that — within planetary boundaries, which means that there _ within planetary boundaries, which means that there is _ within planetary boundaries, which means that there is a _ within planetary boundaries, which means that there is a prosperous i within planetary boundaries, whichj means that there is a prosperous a safe future — means that there is a prosperous a safe future for— means that there is a prosperous a safe future for every— means that there is a prosperous a safe future for every human - means that there is a prosperous a safe future for every human beingl means that there is a prosperous a . safe future for every human being on this planet _ safe future for every human being on this planet and _ safe future for every human being on this planet. and i— safe future for every human being on this planet. and i think— safe future for every human being on this planet. and i think that - 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doesn't stop here, it only starts. thank you very much.— thank you very much. the vice president _ thank you very much. the vice president of — thank you very much. the vice president of the _ thank you very much. the vice president of the european - president of the european commission. if you were watching a few minutes ago, you will have seen the room giving elevation to the man sitting alongside me, that is nigel topping, that is the climate change champion. i’m topping, that is the climate change chamion. �* . . ., topping, that is the climate change chamion. �* ., , champion. i'm a climate activist! climate action _ champion. i'm a climate activist! climate action champion. - champion. i'm a climate activist! climate action champion. he - champion. i'm a climate activist! i climate action champion. he brings everybody around together at the conference, you have done an extraordinaryjob over the last few years and rightly got a round of applause for that. i tell you what, respond to greta thundberg for me, respond to greta thundberg for me, respond to greta thundberg for me, respond to klara winkler who was hit from the federation of young european grains, is it all blah, blah, blah, or is it more than that? it is much more than that and we really need to elevate the conversation a bit higher than throwing out accusations of blah, blah, blah, and it is all green wash and based on offsets and it's all long—term, not short—term, because none of those are true. we can't say, let's be honest and then throw away dismissive comments like that. there is real progress here, and it is not enough. there is real progress. this climate —— glasgow climate pact has enshrined 1.5 degrees as the north star. that is —— that was unimaginable in madrid two years ago. it has got everybody committed to coming back to ratchet their commitments next year, the year after, their commitments next year, the yearafter, not their commitments next year, the year after, not waiting till 2025, because we know that 1.5 degrees is still not actually the sum of all ambition. and we have seen really substantive commitments through the last two weeks, through mitigation to adaptation and loss and damage. this is a significant step forward and it is not enough, so we should neither celebrate the saving of the world or dismiss this as a hot air, it is neither those, it is much more than that. , ., , than that. the uk still has the presidency — than that. the uk still has the presidency till _ than that. the uk still has the presidency till egypt, - than that. the uk still has the presidency till egypt, so - than that. the uk still has the presidency till egypt, so what| than that. the uk still has the i presidency till egypt, so what do than that. the uk still has the - presidency till egypt, so what do we do next? what happens in the coming few months? the real hard work starts tomorrow, what do we do next? well, i think everybody who has made commitments needs to back them up with concrete plans. the good news is we are talking about 2025, 2030 commitments, notjust kicking the can down the road. and those plans need to be enacted and we need to see the results of those. a lot of those plans are about the allocation of money. if you stood up and said you would do something, if you're going to start buying electric buses, if you are doing so, though i think one of the key things to remember is that this is notjust a commitment fest, a lot of these commitments are based on momentum that has been building since paris and is starting to go exponential, sales of electric cars, greenhouses, some of these announcements around decarbonising shipping, for example, loads of companies have committed to green corridors, companies are saying they will only buy zero carbon frate in 2040. some of these commitments, i think in the next couple of years, we are going to start being more confident that we can call 2050 dates in early as innovation comes in. you can call 2050 dates in early as innovation comes in. you have worked closely with — innovation comes in. you have worked closely with alok _ innovation comes in. you have worked closely with alok sharma _ innovation comes in. you have worked closely with alok sharma in _ innovation comes in. you have worked closely with alok sharma in the - innovation comes in. you have worked closely with alok sharma in the last i closely with alok sharma in the last year and he has worked tirelessly to bring all those people together, and i keep wanting to make the point that he is not there as the prime minister's representative, he is not, he is the representative 496 parties but i couldn't help but feel that right at the death, this was sprung on him from india, he didn't know it was coming, he had to stop, he got quite emotional about it, what you think happened? historians will have to unravel _ what you think happened? historians will have to unravel that _ what you think happened? historians will have to unravel that but - what you think happened? historians will have to unravel that but it - what you think happened? historians will have to unravel that but it is - will have to unravel that but it is not uncommon, 196 countries are trying to agree massive complexity, and a couple of words changed at the end there. remember that every country is notjust negotiating with each other, they are also negotiating, there will be phone calls to the presidents and prime ministers at home about some of these issues. a couple of words were changed, it is disappointing, i mean, my mandate is to drive ambition so anybody takes a step back, i don't like it, but i don't think it will be really material. specific reference to phasing out has been watered down to phasing down coal has never been in these texts before. we know that coal is an economic, we know that donald trump won an election on bringing back to —— bringing back cold, but the end of coal in sight, it has been accelerated by this agreement. china had said they won't fund any overseas coal so we have seen banks joined the glasgow finance for net zero. many of those already have coal phase—out commitments, those who haven't will have to present their plans to the world are next few months, so i think the writing is on the wall if you want to build a new coal power plant.— a new coal power plant. boris johnson a new coal power plant. boris johnson says. _ a new coal power plant. boris johnson says, i— a new coal power plant. boris johnson says, i hope - a new coal power plant. boris johnson says, i hope we - a new coal power plant. boris johnson says, i hope we will. a new coal power plant. boris - johnson says, i hope we will look johnson says, i hope we will look back on cop26 as the beginning of the end of climate change and i will continue to work tirelessly towards that goal. did alok sharma work tirelessly? that goal. did alok sharma work tirelessl ? , , ., , tirelessly? oh, my god. i remember him tellin: tirelessly? oh, my god. i remember him telling me _ tirelessly? oh, my god. i remember him telling me after— tirelessly? oh, my god. i remember him telling me after he _ tirelessly? oh, my god. i remember him telling me after he got - tirelessly? oh, my god. i remember him telling me after he got the - tirelessly? oh, my god. i remember him telling me after he got the job l him telling me after he got the job thatis him telling me after he got the job that is two daughters had never taken any that is two daughters had never ta ken any interest that is two daughters had never taken any interest in his career but as soon as he got thatjob, they sent him a what's that saying, dad, get it done. he has poured his life force in it. people were criticising him for channelling —— travelling. but how could he pull this off without building warm relationships without building warm relationships without travelling? he has worked tirelessly, he has an amazing team that has worked tirelessly and there are fires and is —— thousands of youth activists, ngos, city mayors, regional governments and ministers, there are more and more people working tirelessly to solve this problem. this is another ratchet, it gives us another boost to be more ambitious next year, to bring more people into the family of people driving this to get done. he has really worked. and right at the end, he got a very big standing oration. all the people in that room know what it takes, they know they are awkward, it is the ultimate cat herding job, so he has done an amazing job. the herding job, so he has done an amazing job-— herding job, so he has done an amazin: 'ob. . , amazing “0b. the headline writers will be amazing job. the headline writers will be out in _ amazing job. the headline writers will be out in force _ amazing job. the headline writers will be out in force tonight - amazing job. the headline writers will be out in force tonight doing l will be out in force tonight doing this a success or failure, if you are writing the headline for this summit, how would you sum it up? if iwas summit, how would you sum it up? if i was writing it, i would be a media professional and i would be looking for the negative, the watering down of coal. but i'm not, i think the honest headline would be that this, i can't do it headline, are not quick enough, but this has been a masterful police of diplomacy to keep 1.5 alive, to really listen to the pain and the suffering and the frustration and the anger of young people and the poor communities set suffering, and to build that into a package which gives us enough hope to get up again and keep working towards more action, more ambition, more implementation next year. so, it is not... it is going to be along and game but the next 20 years will be transformational. that and game but the next 20 years will be transformational.— be transformational. that is a headline. _ be transformational. that is a headline, that's _ be transformational. that is a headline, that's a _ be transformational. that is a headline, that's a leader! - be transformational. that is a i headline, that's a leader! nigel, be transformational. that is a - headline, that's a leader! nigel, it has been really good of you to come and talk to us. well done for everything that you have done. climate action champion for the uk. champion not in the sense of having won anything but championing all the amazing people driving for this change. i look forward to talking to you next year on the way to cop27. if they will have me back. a real pleasure. before i come to you, i want to talk tojohn ashton, a former british diplomat, the uk special representative on climate change between 2006 and 2012, so he knows what goes on in the back rooms, thank you for waiting patiently. can i get your summary of what you have seen here? you patiently. can i get your summary of what you have seen here?— patiently. can i get your summary of what you have seen here? you can and i have what you have seen here? you can and l have been — what you have seen here? you can and i have been listening _ what you have seen here? you can and i have been listening with _ what you have seen here? you can and i have been listening with great - i have been listening with great interest to your other guests. the first thing is, you have to be very cautious in the heat of the moment, when the ink is not yet dry, before offering sort of commentary on it, particularly when you are inside the room, when you have been in the bubble for the last two weeks, but even when you are 400 miles away, like i am, you need to digest it, and above all, i think the proof of this agreement will not be in what any of us say today or tomorrow or next week, it will be in what unfolds as a result of it, leverage to buy it over the next few months, leading up to the next cop. but there are some things you can say. number one, i completely understand the anger and disappointment of those countries who are already being devastated by climate change, a problem that they have done the least of all in the world to cause, and which they are least well—equipped to deal with. and i think they came to glasgow hoping that they would be some recognition of their predicament and the beginning of a mechanism to help them deal with those consequences. and i think the outcome on that what is called loss and damage, the mechanism that would have provided that health, is well below what anybody can be proud of. and by accepting it at the end, i think if anybody wants to say that this cop was a success, it owes more to those countries than it does to any of the other players. and i take what nigel says about alok sharma and his team, it is obvious from afar that they have worked tirelessly, that they have worked tirelessly, that they have been very successful in building trust, so i don't want to take anything away from that, but i applaud the public spiritedness, if you like, of the most vulnerable countries. i also understand the anger that i think there inevitably will be as the outcome sinks in with public and with campaigners and particularly young campaigners. i would take issue with nigel because i think it is very hard to look at a phrase like for example inefficient for you subsidies, what on earth is an efficient fossilfuel for you subsidies, what on earth is an efficient fossil fuel subsidy? 0r accelerating efforts to face down coal, when everybody knows that the heart of this matter is phasing out coal, and we have had a really unedifying spectacle at the end of the cop, to take those phrases and convince people on the outside of the tent that they are anything but blah, blah, blah. so, ithink we have to start with a bit of humility there. having said that, i think this is a deal worth having. it is not salvation, it mayjust be a lifeline, it is perhaps the best that was achievable, given the circumstances at the beginning of the meeting two weeks ago, it is well short of what is needed but there is still a little bit of time, just a little bit of time to ratchet up just a little bit of time to ratchet up the ambition on every front to get to what is needed. there are two big gaps on this, look at it from the outside, the climate gap and the equity gap. the climate gap is keep the 1.5 alive, we are way off the pace, still. we have made some progress but you can't measure this by saying we have done better than how we were doing, you have to measure it by saying how are we doing compared to what we need to be doing? and we are way off the pace. we haven't done the heaviest of the heavy lifting yet, but we do at least have a mechanism for doing that, we have now created an expectation that we will regroup at the next cop in a year and we will by then have put stronger plans and pledges on the table. and it is up to all of the parties in this exercise now to make sure that that happens those stronger plans and pledges are credible and that they do close the gap. but there is an opportunity to do that and i think thatis opportunity to do that and i think that is one reason why this is worth having. but you can't close the climate gap unless you close the equity gap at the same time because you have to have solidarity across all of the parties and those who are in the most better resourced most comfortable position, in particular, need to be reaching out to those who are not. and we really have done the bare minimum there. we had a betrayal in the 100 million —— 100 billion promise, it hasn't been met and it still isn't met yet. we do have a commitment to double adaptation funding, which is at least a start while fixing that betrayal. so, just to give your favour, i think there are lots of weaknesses in this but it is worth having. weaknesses in this but it is worth havinu. ., �* , , having. you've summed it up brilliantly _ having. you've summed it up brilliantly but _ having. you've summed it up brilliantly but i _ having. you've summed it up brilliantly but i just _ having. you've summed it up brilliantly but i just want - having. you've summed it up brilliantly but i just want to i having. you've summed it up i brilliantly but i just want to give brilliantly but ijust want to give people an idea what is going on behind me. stay there, john, will come back and a second. just over my left shoulder here, there is a podium and we are expecting alok sharma, because there is a union flag there alongside the un flag, we are expecting alok sharma to come out here, i guess it is a ceremonial part of the proceedings, he will probably make some comments, maybe he will and the summit. but certainly something is about to happen and we know that alok sharma for that moment has left the stage while the discussions inside continue or while the addresses inside continue. what you make of what we heard from john ashton there? there is an awful lot to go out in the coming months? you were talking about the road to egypt. do you see very clear signposts now from the british presidency to really drive what has been agreed here? , ~ ., ., here? yes, i think there are a coule here? yes, i think there are a couole of _ here? yes, i think there are a couole of key _ here? yes, i think there are a couple of key stages. - here? yes, i think there are a couple of key stages. first - here? yes, i think there are a couple of key stages. first of| here? yes, i think there are a i couple of key stages. first of all, the uk _ couple of key stages. first of all, the uk is — couple of key stages. first of all, the uk is involved in some of the bil the uk is involved in some of the big political groupings such as the g7 and _ big political groupings such as the g7 and the 620, these are very powerful— g7 and the 620, these are very powerful wealthy nations who could really _ powerful wealthy nations who could really exert pressure to coordinate financial_ really exert pressure to coordinate financial flows to make sure that the multilateral develop meant banks, — the multilateral develop meant banks, the public finance, is actually— banks, the public finance, is actually being redirected away from dirty energy into clean energy, and that is_ dirty energy into clean energy, and that is one — dirty energy into clean energy, and that is one thing. the second thing is that— that is one thing. the second thing is that at— that is one thing. the second thing is that at the beginning of this cop. _ is that at the beginning of this cop. we — is that at the beginning of this cop, we saw a whole range of announcements, real—world announcements, real—world announcements on deforestation, methane, — announcements on deforestation, methane, coal, public finance. what i'll -- _ methane, coal, public finance. what i'll -- what— methane, coal, public finance. what i'll —— what will be interesting is over— i'll —— what will be interesting is over the — i'll —— what will be interesting is over the coming year, in the run—up to the _ over the coming year, in the run—up to the date — over the coming year, in the run—up to the date to — over the coming year, in the run—up to the date to when countries need to the date to when countries need to bring _ to the date to when countries need to bring back their ambitious pledges, but actually to see some of those _ pledges, but actually to see some of those outside of the formal negotiation pledges worked into country— negotiation pledges worked into country ambitions. because that will make _ country ambitions. because that will make a _ country ambitions. because that will make a significant dent in some of the pledges that we received in advance — the pledges that we received in advance of this climate summit. and working _ advance of this climate summit. and working back through the year and the uk _ working back through the year and the uk can— working back through the year and the uk can play a role working back through the year and the uk can playa role in shepherding that process. alok sharma exhausted _ shepherding that process. ir sharma exhausted tonight, rightly exhausted after what has been going on over the last few nights, he has been playing the role of sherpa, carrying the negotiation from one room to the other, carrying notes, getting agreement over one particular word or one particular phrase, it is a thankless task at

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