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time of rapid change. the first pandemic in a century, the aftermath of brexit to sort out, the urgent claim of the climate, the domestic questions, providing a securejob that pays a decent wage, a good school nearby, health and social that you can rely on, the home you can afford. this is a big moment. it demands leadership. leadership are founded on the principles that have been formed —— have informed my life and with which i honour where i have come from. and with which i honour where i have come from-— work, care, equality, security. i think of these as british values. i think of these as british values. i think of these as british values. i think of them as the values that take you right into the heart of the british public, and that is where this party must always be! i think of these values as my heirloom, and the word loom, from which the idea comes, is another word for tool. work, care, equality, security. these are the tools of my trade and with them i will go to work! thank you, conference! cheering and applause thank you, conference. thank you. studio: that was sir keir starmer�*s first in—person conference speech to the party faithful, it was a big speech and a long speech, partly because of the applause he received throughout, and the cheering put it there was heckling as well, more of that in a moment, i would like to welcome viewers from the news channel to this bbc politics live programme covering the labour party conference in brighton and keir starmer�*s speech at his wife joined him on the stage. i underestimated by quite somewhat margin the length of the speech, i said it would be about an hour of the speech, i said it would be aboutan hourand of the speech, i said it would be about an hour and in fact it has been nearly an hour and a half and that was, in part, because he was heckled, and he talked about it before we went into the auditorium to cover the speech he was heckled but he dealt with it pretty well. he responded saying shouting slogans or changing lives? but there was something of a demonstration, you can see the red cards being held up even as he is being applauded, red cards that were taken in by some of the delegates, clearly angry by what has happened by some of the things this week but overall, the conference floor to most to their feet many times, the shadow cabinet again applauding him loudly because he had a very big speech to deliver, it was a very big moment for him. he talked about his upbringing, where he came from, the dignity of work and his parents, his mum and dad. and also his past life, as director of public prosecutions, and that led him to talk aboutjustice and the fact that fighting crime should be a labour issue. his comments about borisjohnson, interestingly, what about the pact, he said that the prime minister does not think the rules apply to him, and he put this government on notice. he said boris johnson is a trickster, trivial, a showman with nothing left to show. a slightly different approach to perhaps what we have heard in the past two boris johnson, perhaps what we have heard in the past two borisjohnson, he very much wants to paint himself as a serious politician in serious times, in stark contrast to the prime minister. that he is, being feted by the party faithful as he walks through the auditorium. said we would be speaking to his deputy, angela rayner, which we will do in about ten or 15 minutes, and get her reaction. he of course mentioned her and other labour leaders. anas sarwar, the leader in scotland, mark drakeford, the first minister of wales. we can talk to our chief political correspondent, adam fleming so your impressions? it’s fleming so your impressions? it's makin: fleming so your impressions? it�*s making me think of the newjames bond film, we had to wait a few years for it to arrive, quite long but it will get good reviews. m50 but it will get good reviews. also the last appearance _ but it will get good reviews. also the last appearance of daniel craig? may be stretching the metaphor! did he show himself to be a prime minister in waiting? we he show himself to be a prime minister in waiting?— minister in waiting? we saw a funnier keir _ minister in waiting? we saw a funnier keir starmer, - minister in waiting? we saw a i funnier keir starmer, somewhat better at rhetoric, more emotional keir starmer so we definitely learned a lot more about him and we saw him handle those hecklers pretty well and i think he and his team will be really pleased he got heckled counterintuitively because it dramatises the fight he has been having behind—the—scenes all week here which is to push out what he would call the far left, the supporters ofjeremy corbyn, and jeremy corbyn�*s supporters and sympathisers dramatised it for him. and does this draw a line underneath the jeremy corbyn and does this draw a line underneath thejeremy corbyn era? there were a couple of very clear statements, even though we did not mention him by name, labour will never again go into an election with a manifesto that isn't a serious plan for government. they are playing the labour anthem in the background. got a standing ovation for that, said we had to get our own house in order and we've done that this week. you are riaht and we've done that this week. you are right he — and we've done that this week. 7m, are right he did not mentionjeremy corbyn by name but there were a lot of deadly references come near the start he was think to activists, thank you for what you did in 2019 because you saved this party from obliteration and in other words, if it had been solely down tojeremy corbyn, there might not be a labour party delay and then compare it with the other party did not name explicitly tony blair, and there was a reference to the famous education, education, education speech and that bought a clap to the whole but the last few years there would tony blair have been banned in this place. blair have been banned in this lace. ., �* ., .,, place. you're right, that has chan . ed place. you're right, that has changed in _ place. you're right, that has changed in terms _ place. you're right, that has changed in terms of- place. you're right, that has changed in terms of tone i place. you're right, that hasl changed in terms of tone and atmosphere. we will test the temperature outside the hall as delegates are sleeping, we can see them behind us. our political editor nick what is there.— nick what is there. thank you, i am at the bottom _ nick what is there. thank you, i am at the bottom of _ nick what is there. thank you, i am at the bottom of the _ nick what is there. thank you, i am at the bottom of the stairs - nick what is there. thank you, i am at the bottom of the stairs with - at the bottom of the stairs with laura _ at the bottom of the stairs with laura pidcock, _ at the bottom of the stairs with laura pidcock, seen— at the bottom of the stairs with laura pidcock, seen as - at the bottom of the stairs with laura pidcock, seen as one - at the bottom of the stairs with laura pidcock, seen as one of. at the bottom of the stairs with . laura pidcock, seen as one of the stars _ laura pidcock, seen as one of the stars of— laura pidcock, seen as one of the stars of the — laura pidcock, seen as one of the stars of the labour _ laura pidcock, seen as one of the stars of the labour left, - laura pidcock, seen as one of the stars of the labour left, your- stars of the labour left, your thoughts _ stars of the labour left, your thoughts on _ stars of the labour left, your thoughts on the _ stars of the labour left, your thoughts on the speech? - stars of the labour left, your thoughts on the speech? it. stars of the labour left, your thoughts on the speech? it was long, wasn't it, thoughts on the speech? it was long, wasn't it. a — thoughts on the speech? it was long, wasn't it. a long _ thoughts on the speech? it was long, wasn't it, a long speech. _ thoughts on the speech? it was long, wasn't it, a long speech. look, - thoughts on the speech? it was long, wasn't it, a long speech. look, he - wasn't it, a long speech. look, he hasn't _ wasn't it, a long speech. look, he hasn't been — wasn't it, a long speech. look, he hasn't been able to give a speech in front of— hasn't been able to give a speech in front of people for a long time but i didnt— front of people for a long time but i didn't think that was his moment, i didn't think that was his moment, i thought— i didn't think that was his moment, i thought it — i didn't think that was his moment, i thought it was quite an inspiring. we thought there might be some kind of olive _ we thought there might be some kind of olive branch to members of the party _ of olive branch to members of the party i_ of olive branch to members of the party. i think angela standing here is a man— party. i think angela standing here is a man of— party. i think angela standing here is a man of tactic to make me say something — is a man of tactic to make me say something different and i won't. —— some _ something different and i won't. —— some kind — something different and i won't. —— some kind of— something different and i won't. —— some kind of tactic. i didn't hear some kind of tactic. ididn't hear many— some kind of tactic. i didn't hear many commitments in the speech and that's— many commitments in the speech and that's disappointing because there is a crisism — that's disappointing because there is a crisis... can that's disappointing because there is a crisis- - -_ that's disappointing because there is a crisis- - -_ is a crisis... can i ask you what ou is a crisis... can i ask you what you thought — is a crisis... can i ask you what you thought of _ is a crisis... can i ask you what you thought of the _ is a crisis... can i ask you what you thought of the heckles - is a crisis... can i ask you what you thought of the heckles in l is a crisis... can i ask you what l you thought of the heckles in the speech? — you thought of the heckles in the speech? its— you thought of the heckles in the seech? �* , you thought of the heckles in the seech? r you thought of the heckles in the seech? a , ., 4, speech? as i said before, i think there is discontent _ speech? as i said before, i think there is discontent amongst - speech? as i said before, i think there is discontent amongst the | there is discontent amongst the membership. that can sometimes spill out into— membership. that can sometimes spill out into those important moments. heciding _ out into those important moments. heckling just after keir starmer had talked _ heckling just after keir starmer had talked about — heckling just after keir starmer had talked about his _ heckling just after keir starmer had talked about his mother— heckling just after keir starmer had talked about his mother was- heckling just after keir starmer had| talked about his mother was gravely ill in talked about his mother was gravely iii in hospital— talked about his mother was gravely ill in hospital and _ talked about his mother was gravely ill in hospital and heckling _ talked about his mother was gravely ill in hospital and heckling up- ill in hospital and heckling up about? — ill in hospital and heckling up about? ., ., �*, ill in hospital and heckling up about? ., ., �* , ., about? that wouldn't be appropriate, i did not experience _ about? that wouldn't be appropriate, i did not experience that _ about? that wouldn't be appropriate, i did not experience that in _ about? that wouldn't be appropriate, i did not experience that in the - i did not experience that in the hall. _ i did not experience that in the hall. i— i did not experience that in the hall, i didn't know that had happened. of course, i share an experience — happened. of course, i share an experience with him, my own father was also _ experience with him, my own father was also in — experience with him, my own father was also in intensive care, though i connect _ was also in intensive care, though i connect with — was also in intensive care, though i connect with him in that moment. members— connect with him in that moment. members feel deeply aggrieved about how they— members feel deeply aggrieved about how they have been treated and he needs— how they have been treated and he needs to _ how they have been treated and he needs to speak to working class voters — needs to speak to working class voters. . ~' , ., ~ needs to speak to working class voters. ., ,, i. . ., needs to speak to working class voters. ., ,, . ., ., voters. thank you. we now have anuela voters. thank you. we now have angela eagle — voters. thank you. we now have angela eagle challenged - voters. thank you. we now have angela eagle challenged for- voters. thank you. we now have angela eagle challenged for the| angela eagle challenged for the leadership, _ angela eagle challenged for the leadership, what— angela eagle challenged for the leadership, what did _ angela eagle challenged for the leadership, what did you - angela eagle challenged for the leadership, what did you think. angela eagle challenged for the| leadership, what did you think of the speech? _ leadership, what did you think of the speech? i— leadership, what did you think of the speech?— leadership, what did you think of the seech? ., , ., the speech? i thought it showed we are focused — the speech? i thought it showed we are focused on _ the speech? i thought it showed we are focused on winning _ the speech? i thought it showed we are focused on winning the - the speech? i thought it showed we| are focused on winning the election, that dealt— are focused on winning the election, that dealt with the concerns of british— that dealt with the concerns of british people, no petrol in the pumps, — british people, no petrol in the pumps, shelves in the supermarket empty _ pumps, shelves in the supermarket em . ., ., pumps, shelves in the supermarket empty. you are clearly not happy with what you — empty. you are clearly not happy with what you heard _ empty. you are clearly not happy with what you heard from - empty. you are clearly not happy with what you heard from laura l with what you heard from laura pidcock— with what you heard from laura pidcock there? _ with what you heard from laura pidcock there? what _ with what you heard from laura pidcock there? what did - with what you heard from laura pidcock there? what did you i with what you heard from laura . pidcock there? what did you think they heckiing? _ pidcock there? what did you think they heckiing? i _ pidcock there? what did you think they heckling?— they heckling? i thought it was etulant they heckling? i thought it was petulant and — they heckling? i thought it was petulant and small— they heckling? i thought it was petulant and small and - petulant and small and disappointing. i think the party needs— disappointing. i think the party needs to — disappointing. i think the party needs to work together, there is only a _ needs to work together, there is only a small number of people who feel they— only a small number of people who feel they have to behave like that i'm feel they have to behave like that “it sorry — feel they have to behave like that i'm sorry that happened. i think it was disrespectful. but the bigger picture _ was disrespectful. but the bigger picture is — was disrespectful. but the bigger picture is that the labour party is focused _ picture is that the labour party is focused on — picture is that the labour party is focused on winning the general election _ focused on winning the general election- - -_ focused on winning the general election... winning the general election... winning the general election but — election... winning the general election but you _ election... winning the general election but you have _ election... winning the general election but you have a -- - election... winning the general election but you have a -- do l election... winning the general. election but you have a -- do you election but you have a —— do you have _ election but you have a —— do you have someone _ election but you have a —— do you have someone who _ election but you have a —— do you have someone who can _ election but you have a —— do you have someone who can inspire i election but you have a —— do youl have someone who can inspire and connect? _ have someone who can inspire and connect? l— have someone who can inspire and connect? ~ . have someone who can inspire and connect? ,, ., ., ._ connect? i think what he did today was t connect? i think what he did today wast to connect? i think what he did today was try to explain _ connect? i think what he did today was try to explain to _ connect? i think what he did today was try to explain to the _ connect? i think what he did today was try to explain to the british i was try to explain to the british people — was try to explain to the british people where his values come from and what _ people where his values come from and what will concern him when he is in downing _ and what will concern him when he is in downing street and i think the speech— in downing street and i think the speech did that very effectively. the policies in detail, we have seen some _ the policies in detail, we have seen some this _ the policies in detail, we have seen some this week, more will come, but ithink— some this week, more will come, but i think the _ some this week, more will come, but i think the country needs to know what _ i think the country needs to know what this— i think the country needs to know what this man's values are, the decency. — what this man's values are, the decency, hard work, what he understands about the sufferings and difficulties that ordinary people are experiencing and he got that across— are experiencing and he got that across very well.— are experiencing and he got that across very well. thank you, there we are two — across very well. thank you, there we are two leading _ across very well. thank you, there we are two leading lights - across very well. thank you, there we are two leading lights on - across very well. thank you, there | we are two leading lights on either win- we are two leading lights on either wing of— we are two leading lights on either wing of the — we are two leading lights on either wing of the labour— we are two leading lights on either wing of the labour party, - we are two leading lights on either wing of the labour party, laura - wing of the labour party, laura pidcock— wing of the labour party, laura pidcock a — wing of the labour party, laura pidcock a course _ wing of the labour party, laura pidcock a course lost _ wing of the labour party, laura pidcock a course lost her- wing of the labour party, laura pidcock a course lost her seat. wing of the labour party, laurai pidcock a course lost her seat in durham — pidcock a course lost her seat in durham in— pidcock a course lost her seat in durham in the— pidcock a course lost her seat in durham in the general- pidcock a course lost her seat in durham in the general electionl pidcock a course lost her seat in. durham in the general election and angela _ durham in the general election and angela eagle — durham in the general election and angela eagle who _ durham in the general election and angela eagle who challenged - durham in the general election and i angela eagle who challenged jeremy corbyn _ angela eagle who challenged jeremy corbyn for— angela eagle who challenged jeremy corbyn for the — angela eagle who challenged jeremy corbyn for the leadership. _ angela eagle who challenged jeremy corbyn for the leadership. thank- angela eagle who challenged jeremy corbyn for the leadership.— corbyn for the leadership. thank you very much- — corbyn for the leadership. thank you very much. adam, _ corbyn for the leadership. thank you very much. adam, two _ corbyn for the leadership. thank you very much. adam, two contrasting i very much. adam, two contrasting reactions to the speech, as we heard, laura pidcock who is a leading light whenjeremy corbyn with lead and angela eagle who is a fairly veteran labour mp if you like, saying they are preparing for government but it was interesting that laura pidcock said keir starmer could have offered an olive branch to her wing of the party. he’s could have offered an olive branch to her wing of the party.— to her wing of the party. he's not interested _ to her wing of the party. he's not interested in _ to her wing of the party. he's not interested in that _ to her wing of the party. he's not interested in that because - to her wing of the party. he's not interested in that because they i to her wing of the party. he's not i interested in that because they are staging a war against the corbynites because keir starmer wants to vanquish them but what is clear from that exchange is there are still a lot of them so the vanquishing has not happened and they will be a thorn in his sight. there will be versions of those heckles as long as he is leader. versions of those heckles as long as he is leader-— he is leader. that could be a good thin for he is leader. that could be a good thing for him _ he is leader. that could be a good thing for him in _ he is leader. that could be a good thing for him in terms _ he is leader. that could be a good thing for him in terms of - he is leader. that could be a good | thing for him in terms of asserting his authority. do you think he will feel he has asserted his authority over the party? i feel he has asserted his authority over the party?— feel he has asserted his authority over the party? i think so but what will matter— over the party? i think so but what will matter is _ over the party? i think so but what will matter is when _ over the party? i think so but what will matter is when people - over the party? i think so but what will matter is when people watch l over the party? i think so but what i will matter is when people watch the news tonight, do they seek a tougher quy news tonight, do they seek a tougher guy than they thought was there, standing up to people causing trouble in his own back yard, or a party that is a bit of a rabble and shouldn't be trusted with the levers of government? it's up to the public to decide. the of government? it's up to the public to decide. , ., , , to decide. the phrase used in the interview with _ to decide. the phrase used in the interview with laura _ to decide. the phrase used in the interview with laura kuenssbergl interview with laura kuenssberg winning is more important than unity, and obviously he will want to that, perhaps that was demonstrated clearly in the hall as he looks at fighting the conservatives. there were some _ fighting the conservatives. there were some very _ fighting the conservatives. there were some very good _ fighting the conservatives. there were some very good gags - fighting the conservatives. there were some very good gags at - fighting the conservatives. iii” were some very good gags at boris johnson's expense and we can talk about one with our next guest because rather than saying that borisjohnson was a bad guy, he said he was a trivial guy which i thought was a much more subtle way of attacking the tories than some people have been doing here in brighton this week. i don't know how long the policies will last in the memory, though, the heckles might last longer. memory, though, the heckles might last loner. v memory, though, the heckles might last loner. �*, ., ~ memory, though, the heckles might last loner. �*, ., ,, ., memory, though, the heckles might last loner. �*, ., ~' ., ., last longer. let's talk about that with angela _ last longer. let's talk about that with angela rayner, _ last longer. let's talk about that with angela rayner, the - last longer. let's talk about that with angela rayner, the deputy| with angela rayner, the deputy leader of the labour party. on those heckles, shouting slogans or saving lives, he said to the conference, what is your message to people shouting at him while he was trying to deliver his speech? i shouting at him while he was trying to deliver his speech?— to deliver his speech? i think he was doing _ to deliver his speech? i think he was doing a _ to deliver his speech? i think he was doing a fantastic— to deliver his speech? i think he was doing a fantastic speech, i to deliver his speech? i think he| was doing a fantastic speech, for me, was doing a fantastic speech, for me. the — was doing a fantastic speech, for me, the passion that keir got over about— me, the passion that keir got over about why— me, the passion that keir got over about why he does what he does, about _ about why he does what he does, about his — about why he does what he does, about his mum being a norse... people — about his mum being a norse... people were then heckling as he was talking about his mum as a patient —— his mum was a nurse. that talking about his mum as a patient -- his mum was a nurse. that wasn't treat but -- his mum was a nurse. that wasn't great but the — -- his mum was a nurse. that wasn't great but the vast _ -- his mum was a nurse. that wasn't great but the vast majority _ -- his mum was a nurse. that wasn't great but the vast majority of - -- his mum was a nurse. that wasn't great but the vast majority of the - great but the vast majority of the audience — great but the vast majority of the audience was clear they want to hear his message and not only did they want _ his message and not only did they want to— his message and not only did they want to hear it but they wanted more because _ want to hear it but they wanted more because they loved what he had to save _ because they loved what he had to save. what it was, it was about, for me, save. what it was, it was about, for me. it _ save. what it was, it was about, for me. it mixed — save. what it was, it was about, for me, it mixed the substance of what drives _ me, it mixed the substance of what drives his _ me, it mixed the substance of what drives his values and the emotional connection— drives his values and the emotional connection that a lot of people says i connection that a lot of people says i over— connection that a lot of people says i over shechem and the shares but people _ i over shechem and the shares but people saw— i over shechem and the shares but people saw the balance he has —— i over— people saw the balance he has —— i over shares — people saw the balance he has —— i over shares. the seriousness he brings— over shares. the seriousness he brings to — over shares. the seriousness he brings to the job and what he thinks is the _ brings to the job and what he thinks is the work— brings to the job and what he thinks is the work of him, that he needs to challenge _ is the work of him, that he needs to challenge this government that have failed to— challenge this government that have failed to look after working people in this— failed to look after working people in this country and make things better— in this country and make things better for— in this country and make things better for people who have got us through— better for people who have got us through this pandemic. you better for people who have got us through this pandemic.— through this pandemic. you talk about him in _ through this pandemic. you talk about him in a _ through this pandemic. you talk about him in a very _ through this pandemic. you talk about him in a very different - through this pandemic. you talk| about him in a very different way through this pandemic. you talk . about him in a very different way to what we heard from you in the wake of the local elections when you said people didn't know what he stood for. have you changed your mind? absolutely and it's not a different way, _ absolutely and it's not a different way, the — absolutely and it's not a different way, the challenge was, because of the global— way, the challenge was, because of the global pandemic, we took over as leader— the global pandemic, we took over as leader and _ the global pandemic, we took over as leader and deputy leader at different and difficult times, sorry, — different and difficult times, sorry, i'm losing my voice! there will be _ sorry, i'm losing my voice! there will be cheering up and down the country! — will be cheering up and down the country! but it was a difficult time for the _ country! but it was a difficult time for the country and it was difficult for the country and it was difficult for us _ for the country and it was difficult for us to— for the country and it was difficult for us to be — for the country and it was difficult for us to be able to set out our message — for us to be able to set out our message at the time of global pandemic. i felt he hadn't really been _ pandemic. i felt he hadn't really been given the chance or the opportunity and i think now what people _ opportunity and i think now what people sought was keir the man, what drives— people sought was keir the man, what drives him _ people sought was keir the man, what drives him and also keir at the prime — drives him and also keir at the prime minister in waiting and what he would _ prime minister in waiting and what he would do for this country and for working _ he would do for this country and for working families across the country and i_ working families across the country and i am _ working families across the country and i am inspired by that. you think he has found _ and i am inspired by that. you think he has found the _ and i am inspired by that. you think he has found the passion _ and i am inspired by that. you think he has found the passion you - and i am inspired by that. you think i he has found the passion you thought was lacking? he has found the passion you thought was lackin: ? , he has found the passion you thought was lacking?— was lacking? yes, because keir is a nu ou was lacking? yes, because keir is a guy you would _ was lacking? yes, because keir is a guy you would trust _ was lacking? yes, because keir is a guy you would trust your _ was lacking? yes, because keir is a guy you would trust your house, . was lacking? yes, because keir is a i guy you would trust your house, your kids and _ guy you would trust your house, your kids and everything else because he is someone who says, look, i'm not going _ is someone who says, look, i'm not going to _ is someone who says, look, i'm not going to do — is someone who says, look, i'm not going to do the pump, the glamour, i'm going to do the pump, the glamour, i'm going _ going to do the pump, the glamour, i'm going to— going to do the pump, the glamour, i'm going to do the forensic analysis— i'm going to do the forensic analysis that will deliver for working _ analysis that will deliver for working families across the country -- do _ working families across the country -- do the _ working families across the country —— do the pomp point i think he would _ —— do the pomp point i think he would be — —— do the pomp point i think he would be great as prime minister, especially— would be great as prime minister, especially considering where we are. he mentioned in his speech, this is a serious _ he mentioned in his speech, this is a serious point, post brexit, the money— a serious point, post brexit, the money and _ a serious point, post brexit, the money and the finances and the difficulties we face with the pandemic, these are difficult times for us _ pandemic, these are difficult times for us when we next state general election — for us when we next state general election. he for us when we next state general election. ., ., g , election. he did not mention jeremy corb n b election. he did not mention jeremy corbyn by name _ election. he did not mention jeremy corbyn by name and _ election. he did not mention jeremy corbyn by name and those _ election. he did not mention jeremy corbyn by name and those hecklers| corbyn by name and those hecklers would probably say they were supporters of the former labour leader. do you think he buried corbynism at this conference and in that speech? i corbynism at this conference and in that speech?— that speech? i think keir starmer took over the _ that speech? i think keir starmer took over the labour _ that speech? i think keir starmer took over the labour party - that speech? i think keir starmer took over the labour party when | that speech? i think keir starmeri took over the labour party when he was elected, when i was, when we both took— was elected, when i was, when we both took over... and was elected, when i was, when we both took over. . ._ both took over... and is the era of corb n both took over... and is the era of corbyn over? _ both took over... and is the era of corbyn over? people _ both took over... and is the era of corbyn over? people move - both took over... and is the era of corbyn over? people move on, - both took over... and is the era of| corbyn over? people move on, but both took over... and is the era of - corbyn over? people move on, but the era of our values, _ corbyn over? people move on, but the era of our values, our _ corbyn over? people move on, but the era of our values, our labour- corbyn over? people move on, but the era of our values, our labour values i era of our values, our labour values that speak— era of our values, our labour values that speak for working people in this country is what we care about. with all— this country is what we care about. with all the — this country is what we care about. with all the divisions we had in the labour— with all the divisions we had in the labour party, there's never been a labour— labour party, there's never been a labour leader that has not grappled with it _ labour leader that has not grappled with it at _ labour leader that has not grappled with it at some point on a particular issue... it with it at some point on a particular issue... it would never turn away _ particular issue... it would never turn away from _ particular issue... it would never turn away from jeremy _ particular issue... it would never turn away from jeremy corbyn. i | turn away from jeremy corbyn. i challenged him at times as well but jeremy— challenged him at times as well but jeremy was our previous leader and now we _ jeremy was our previous leader and now we have keir starmer and i think keir starmer— now we have keir starmer and i think keir starmer set out a very bold, forensic— keir starmer set out a very bold, forensic vision i think it was a very— forensic vision i think it was a very secure _ forensic vision i think it was a very secure patient for the future of the _ very secure patient for the future of the country. did very secure patient for the future of the country-— very secure patient for the future of the country. did you accept what he said, of the country. did you accept what he said. that _ of the country. did you accept what he said, that the _ of the country. did you accept what he said, that the last _ of the country. did you accept what he said, that the last labour- he said, that the last labour manifesto was not a serious plan for government? i manifesto was not a serious plan for government?— government? i think you have to recounise government? i think you have to recognise we _ government? i think you have to recognise we got _ government? i think you have to recognise we got absolutely - government? i think you have to - recognise we got absolutely hammered at the last— recognise we got absolutely hammered at the last election. my majority was significantly reduced in my own constituency. he was significantly reduced in my own constituency-— constituency. he was right that it wasn't serious _ constituency. he was right that it wasn't serious question - constituency. he was right that it wasn't serious question that - constituency. he was right that it wasn't serious question that we i wasn't serious question that we failed to win government and what is important about what he said in the speech. he important about what he said in the seech. ., ., ,., , ., ., speech. he made no bones, we are a -a not speech. he made no bones, we are a party not a — speech. he made no bones, we are a party not a protest — speech. he made no bones, we are a party not a protest but _ speech. he made no bones, we are a party not a protest but of _ party not a protest but of government and that is what he was setting _ government and that is what he was setting out— government and that is what he was setting out and i think that is right, — setting out and i think that is right, we _ setting out and i think that is right, we have to draw a line and recognise — right, we have to draw a line and recognise when we lost and why we lost. ., , ., ., recognise when we lost and why we lost. ., ,., ., ,., , ., lost. one of the important parts of the speech — lost. one of the important parts of the speech was — lost. one of the important parts of the speech was what _ lost. one of the important parts of the speech was what he _ lost. one of the important parts of the speech was what he said - lost. one of the important parts of the speech was what he said about borisjohnson, and he described him as a trickster, said he was trivial, but said it was a mistake to say he was a bad man. who described the government and the government as scum so do you accept that use different terms question we know that their different personalities but you hear him talking about how borisjohnson has like to point how he has not been up to the job, borisjohnson has like to point how he has not been up to thejob, been too late coming to the big issues we face. , . , ., .., , face. the security of the country... is that face. the security of the country... is that the — face. the security of the country... is that the right _ face. the security of the country... is that the right lung _ face. the security of the country... is that the right lung was - face. the security of the country... is that the right lung was to - face. the security of the country... is that the right lung was to use? i is that the right lung was to use? —— the right language point i said at a post—watershed meeting of actor best, if you make seriously damaging racist comments. he best, if you make seriously damaging racist comments.— racist comments. he mentioned the wa our racist comments. he mentioned the way our footballers _ racist comments. he mentioned the way our footballers were _ racist comments. he mentioned the way our footballers were treated, i racist comments. he mentioned the way our footballers were treated, if| way our footballers were treated, if you make _ way our footballers were treated, if you make sexist or homophobic comments, you should apologise for it i comments, you should apologise for it i said _ comments, you should apologise for it i said im — comments, you should apologise for it i said i'm happy to meet with boris _ it i said i'm happy to meet with borisjohnson and it i said i'm happy to meet with boris johnson and explain why i believe — boris johnson and explain why i believe his damaging language has been horrendous.— believe his damaging language has been horrendous. would you apologise to him if you — been horrendous. would you apologise to him if you met— been horrendous. would you apologise to him if you met with _ been horrendous. would you apologise to him if you met with him? _ been horrendous. would you apologise to him if you met with him? i'd - been horrendous. would you apologise to him if you met with him? i'd have i to him if you met with him? i'd have a conversation _ to him if you met with him? i'd have a conversation with _ to him if you met with him? i'd have a conversation with him _ to him if you met with him? i'd have a conversation with him and - to him if you met with him? i'd have a conversation with him and tell - a conversation with him and tell them _ a conversation with him and tell them why— a conversation with him and tell them why i felt what he said was completely apparent and if he was willing _ completely apparent and if he was willing to — completely apparent and if he was willing to accept that and apologise, i will accept for my language and tone in which i described him because you have to understand that when people are facing _ understand that when people are facing racism every day in this country— facing racism every day in this country and you have a prime minister— country and you have a prime minister who had said the most outrageously racist things and never apologise. _ outrageously racist things and never apologise, people... you outrageously racist things and never apologise, people...— apologise, people... you did apologise — apologise, people... you did apologise last _ apologise, people... you did apologise last year _ apologise, people... you did apologise last year when - apologise, people... you did apologise last year when you apologise, people... you did - apologise last year when you used the same term so why then and you're not apologising now? i the same term so why then and you're not apologising now?— not apologising now? i apologised for usin: not apologising now? i apologised for using unparliamentary - not apologising now? i apologised l for using unparliamentary language in parliament. i was at a post—watershed event in the evening and the _ post—watershed event in the evening and the point being, and this is crucial— and the point being, and this is crucial for— and the point being, and this is crucial for me, i understand people are upset— crucial for me, i understand people are upset by that language, i understand that, i am bombastic and iapologise _ understand that, i am bombastic and i apologise if it offended the public— i apologise if it offended the public in the way i expected it to but people were more outraged by me saying _ but people were more outraged by me saying that _ but people were more outraged by me saying that than looking into boris johnson's — saying that than looking into boris johnson's racism, misogyny is an homophobia. that is our prime minister— homophobia. that is our prime minister and for me to level at that accusation— minister and for me to level at that accusation i— minister and for me to level at that accusation i think is pretty serious and what — accusation i think is pretty serious and what he needs to answer. there are a lot of — and what he needs to answer. there are a lot of delegates _ and what he needs to answer. there are a lot of delegates listening - and what he needs to answer. iii” are a lot of delegates listening to you talking to us on the bbc. you said jeremy corbyn would be the next prime minister. are you happy to say you think and know that keir starmer will be? ~ , you think and know that keir starmer willbe? ,,, you think and know that keir starmer willbe? y,, , will be? absolutely because this government _ will be? absolutely because this government we _ will be? absolutely because this government we have _ will be? absolutely because this government we have now - will be? absolutely because this i government we have now promised will be? absolutely because this - government we have now promised so many— government we have now promised so many things— government we have now promised so many things i didn't deliver. what keir said — many things i didn't deliver. what keir said is— many things i didn't deliver. what keir said is that he will do exactly what _ keir said is that he will do exactly what needs to be done to win over the country... what needs to be done to win over the country- - -_ the country... including dropping the country... including dropping the pledge _ the country... including dropping the pledge as — the country... including dropping the pledge as he _ the country... including dropping the pledge as he stood _ the country... including dropping the pledge as he stood on - the country... including dropping the pledge as he stood on in - the country... including dropping the pledge as he stood on in hisl the pledge as he stood on in his leadership campaign. it’s the pledge as he stood on in his leadership campaign.— the pledge as he stood on in his leadership campaign. it's not about lacards or leadership campaign. it's not about placards or pledge _ leadership campaign. it's not about placards or pledge cards, _ leadership campaign. it's not about placards or pledge cards, it's - leadership campaign. it's not about placards or pledge cards, it's aboutj placards or pledge cards, it's about the public— placards or pledge cards, it's about the public and winning the public vote to _ the public and winning the public vote to get into government, that's what we _ vote to get into government, that's what we interested in. the green new deal, _ what we interested in. the green new deal, education, all the things i was talking about, it's about making sure we _ was talking about, it's about making sure we are — was talking about, it's about making sure we are on the key issues... far too many— sure we are on the key issues... far too many things, people didn't believe — too many things, people didn't believe we could deliver it but he is forensic— believe we could deliver it but he is forensic in what we can deliver in government are. | is forensic in what we can deliver in government are.— is forensic in what we can deliver in government are. i think we have to let ou in government are. i think we have to let you go _ in government are. i think we have to let you go but — in government are. i think we have to let you go but a _ in government are. i think we have to let you go but a final _ in government are. i think we have to let you go but a final question, | to let you go but a final question, on the £15 per hour minimum wage, do you still stand by that? what on the £15 per hour minimum wage, do you still stand by that?— you still stand by that? what i want to see, you still stand by that? what i want to see. and — you still stand by that? what i want to see. and l _ you still stand by that? what i want to see, and i make _ you still stand by that? what i want to see, and i make no _ you still stand by that? what i want to see, and i make no bones, - you still stand by that? what i want to see, and i make no bones, we i to see, and i make no bones, we always— to see, and i make no bones, we always want— to see, and i make no bones, we always want more in the movement, i did as _ always want more in the movement, i did as a _ always want more in the movement, i did as a trade — always want more in the movement, i did as a trade unionist and we should — did as a trade unionist and we should always push for that, but when _ should always push for that, but when we — should always push for that, but when we get to our clause five meeting — when we get to our clause five meeting before a general election for the _ meeting before a general election for the manifesto, we will look at it in the _ for the manifesto, we will look at it in the round and make sure we have _ it in the round and make sure we have the — it in the round and make sure we have the best package for working people _ have the best package for working people. that is my promise. angela ra ner, people. that is my promise. angela rayner. deputy _ people. that is my promise. angela rayner, deputy leader _ people. that is my promise. angela rayner, deputy leader of _ people. that is my promise. angela rayner, deputy leader of the - people. that is my promise. angela | rayner, deputy leader of the labour party, thank you forjoining us. adam, your thoughts?- party, thank you forjoining us. adam, your thoughts? what has struck me, adam, your thoughts? what has struck me. everyone — adam, your thoughts? what has struck me. everyone on _ adam, your thoughts? what has struck me, everyone on twitter— adam, your thoughts? what has struck me, everyone on twitter and _ adam, your thoughts? what has struck me, everyone on twitter and social - me, everyone on twitter and social media isjoking about me, everyone on twitter and social media is joking about the length of the speech and it doesn't matter to most people apart from our viewers who have stayed with us all the way through! but you realise, that it tell you the slight problem keir starmer house, it is a long speech, loads of references to labour history, quoting perry august tomes about the history of britain but we are in an era where politics is done through memes and is that something that he will struggle with, he cannot sort of consolidate his vision into a short bumper sticker. how do you summarise that as a bumper sticker? you might hate that is the way the modern world is but we are not in a world where people have to hours to listen to a speech and will that be his problem? —— two hours. it and will that be his problem? -- two hours. , ., ,, , ., hours. it might be. take us through a coule hours. it might be. take us through a coople of — hours. it might be. take us through a coople of the _ hours. it might be. take us through a couple of the big _ hours. it might be. take us through a couple of the big policy _ a couple of the big policy announcements are. . , announcements are. some had been announced in — announcements are. some had been announced in advance _ announcements are. some had been announced in advance and _ announcements are. some had been announced in advance and we - announcements are. some had been announced in advance and we have i announced in advance and we have been talking about them, so the new target that people needing mental health treatment or get it within a month, that will be done through recruiting more people in the nhs. taking away the tax breaks for private schools which will pay for thousands of new teachers to have more outstanding schools and more evenly spread across the country. there is a pledge to spend 3% of gdp on scientific research and a national mission to insulate hundreds and hundreds of thousands of homes over the next decade which will be very expensive. brute of homes over the next decade which will be very expensive.— will be very expensive. we can welcome _ will be very expensive. we can welcome in — will be very expensive. we can welcome in kim _ will be very expensive. we can welcome in kim leadbeater, i will be very expensive. we can - welcome in kim leadbeater, looking very boyd, this was your first conference since you were elected as mp so how do you feel?— conference since you were elected as mp so how do you feel? really good, it's a positive — mp so how do you feel? really good, it's a positive vibe _ mp so how do you feel? really good, it's a positive vibe and _ mp so how do you feel? really good, it's a positive vibe and speaking - mp so how do you feel? really good, it's a positive vibe and speaking to i it's a positive vibe and speaking to people. _ it's a positive vibe and speaking to people, there was a buzz about the place _ people, there was a buzz about the place even— people, there was a buzz about the place. even though i couldn't be here _ place. even though i couldn't be here for— place. even though i couldn't be here for the whole thing, i have loved _ here for the whole thing, i have loved being here today. you represent — loved being here today. you represent batley _ loved being here today. gm. represent batley and spen, constituency of your sisterjo cox who was murdered, very many people say it is courageous of you and that must feature when you come to a gathering like this? fit must feature when you come to a gathering like this?— gathering like this? of course. ultimately. — gathering like this? of course. ultimately. my _ gathering like this? of course. ultimately, my story _ gathering like this? of course. ultimately, my story is - gathering like this? of course. ultimately, my story is my i gathering like this? of course. i ultimately, my story is my story and i am ultimately, my story is my story and i am her— ultimately, my story is my story and lam her sisterand ultimately, my story is my story and i am her sister and always will be, and i_ i am her sister and always will be, and i will— i am her sister and always will be, and i will always be proud to be her sister— and i will always be proud to be her sister but _ and i will always be proud to be her sister but what i hoped and believe is the _ sister but what i hoped and believe is the people of batley and spen elected — is the people of batley and spen elected me for me and is now me doing _ elected me for me and is now me doing the — elected me for me and is now me doing the job and that's important, that my— doing the job and that's important, that my eight mic —— i make my own mark~ _ that my eight mic -- i make my own mark. ~ . , ., ., ., that my eight mic -- i make my own mark. ~ . y., ., ., , a mark. what did you hear that struck ou? i mark. what did you hear that struck you? i know — mark. what did you hear that struck you? i know it— mark. what did you hear that struck you? i know it was _ mark. what did you hear that struck you? i know it was a _ mark. what did you hear that struck you? i know it was a long _ mark. what did you hear that struck you? i know it was a long but i mark. what did you hear that struck you? i know it was a long but what i you? i know it was a long but what grabbed you?— you? i know it was a long but what grabbed you? there was a lot going on! i grabbed you? there was a lot going on! i thought _ grabbed you? there was a lot going on! i thought he _ grabbed you? there was a lot going on! i thought he was _ grabbed you? there was a lot going on! i thought he was getting i grabbed you? there was a lot going on! i thought he was getting his i on! i thought he was getting his money— on! i thought he was getting his money is — on! i thought he was getting his money is worth because that's important to me from yorkshire! i love the _ important to me from yorkshire! i love the stuff on education, broadening education, getting kids access— broadening education, getting kids access to _ broadening education, getting kids access to music lesson, sport and drama, _ access to music lesson, sport and drama. that — access to music lesson, sport and drama, that was powerful, the green new deal— drama, that was powerful, the green new deal is— drama, that was powerful, the green new deal is important, the climate crisis. _ new deal is important, the climate crisis. have— new deal is important, the climate crisis, have to engage with young people _ crisis, have to engage with young people. that is important so what we do about— people. that is important so what we do about interlacing homes, how to drive _ do about interlacing homes, how to drive things forward. and the biggest — drive things forward. and the biggest thing is we have a vision —— insulating _ biggest thing is we have a vision —— insulating homes punt we have something we can build on and move forward _ something we can build on and move forward. ~ , ., something we can build on and move forward. ~ y., , , , something we can build on and move forward. ~ , , , , forward. were you surprised people were heckling? _ forward. were you surprised people were heckling? there _ forward. were you surprised people were heckling? there was - forward. were you surprised people were heckling? there was only i forward. were you surprised people were heckling? there was only a i were heckling? there was only a little bit, were heckling? there was only a little bit. you — were heckling? there was only a little bit, you get _ were heckling? there was only a little bit, you get that _ were heckling? there was only a little bit, you get that in - were heckling? there was only a little bit, you get that in any i were heckling? there was only a little bit, you get that in any big| little bit, you get that in any big event _ little bit, you get that in any big event. ~ . , little bit, you get that in any big event. . . , ., ., . ., event. was quite dramatic and we talked about _ event. was quite dramatic and we talked about him _ event. was quite dramatic and we talked about him preparing i event. was quite dramatic and we talked about him preparing for. event. was quite dramatic and we talked about him preparing for it. | talked about him preparing for it. many people would think it was inappropriate... i many people would think it was inappropriate. . ._ inappropriate... i think it is wholly inappropriate. i inappropriate... i think it is i wholly inappropriate. doesn't inappropriate... i think it is - wholly inappropriate. doesn't make it acceptable. i find this in parliament, it's about manners if someone — parliament, it's about manners if someone is — parliament, it's about manners if someone is speaking, you let them speak— someone is speaking, you let them speak and — someone is speaking, you let them speak and i— someone is speaking, you let them speak and i feel strongly about that _ speak and i feel strongly about that but — speak and i feel strongly about that. but you have a room full of people — that. but you have a room full of people, there is a lot of energy, it is what _ people, there is a lot of energy, it is what it— people, there is a lot of energy, it is what it is — people, there is a lot of energy, it is what it is— is what it is. there was a lot of ener: . is what it is. there was a lot of energy- do _ is what it is. there was a lot of energy. do think— is what it is. there was a lot of energy. do think keir- is what it is. there was a lot of energy. do think keir starmerl is what it is. there was a lot of i energy. do think keir starmer has the passion and inspiration because there's been a lot of talk he has a little understated in his manner. i little understated in his manner. i really do, and what he has on top of that is— really do, and what he has on top of that is the _ really do, and what he has on top of that is the integrity and the sincerity— that is the integrity and the sincerity to get the job done. if you compare him to borisjohnson, who i've _ you compare him to borisjohnson, who i've spent a few hours in element, _ who i've spent a few hours in element, pmqs, it is all show and bluster— element, pmqs, it is all show and bluster and — element, pmqs, it is all show and bluster and saying what people want to hear. _ bluster and saying what people want to hear, there is no substance behind — to hear, there is no substance behind it _ to hear, there is no substance behind it. keir is such a compassionate man. iwas behind it. keir is such a compassionate man. i was that next to an _ compassionate man. i was that next to an amazing couple whose daughter was murdered, sat next to doreen lawrence — was murdered, sat next to doreen lawrence, he has helped those people in his career— lawrence, he has helped those people in his careerand lawrence, he has helped those people in his career and that's the kind of man— in his career and that's the kind of man he _ in his career and that's the kind of man he is — in his career and that's the kind of man he is if— in his career and that's the kind of man he is. if that doesn't come across— man he is. if that doesn't come across in— man he is. if that doesn't come across in a _ man he is. if that doesn't come across in a sound and fancyjigging around, _ across in a sound and fancyjigging around, that's the kind of person he is and _ around, that's the kind of person he is and that's — around, that's the kind of person he is and that's what we need to lead this country. is and that's what we need to lead this country-— is and that's what we need to lead this country. that's the contrast he wanted to make, _ this country. that's the contrast he wanted to make, that _ this country. that's the contrast he wanted to make, that he _ this country. that's the contrast he wanted to make, that he is - this country. that's the contrast he wanted to make, that he is a i this country. that's the contrast he i wanted to make, that he is a serious politician in contrast to boris johnson. do think he dealt with that atmosphere in the hall when it got a little bit out of hand? i atmosphere in the hall when it got a little bit out of hand?— little bit out of hand? i have 'ust been called fl little bit out of hand? i have 'ust been called out i little bit out of hand? i have 'ust been called out by i little bit out of hand? i have 'ust been called out by someone i little bit out of hand? i have justl been called out by someone from little bit out of hand? i have just i been called out by someone from his office to say there is a bumper sticker version of the speech! it is two words, britain remade. that is the bumper sticker! me two words, britain remade. that is the bumper sticker!— two words, britain remade. that is the bumper sticker! me to say that could have been _ the bumper sticker! me to say that could have been condensed i the bumper sticker! me to say that could have been condensed into i could have been condensed into that?! mil could have been condensed into that?! �* , . ., that?! all this time! what was interesting — that?! all this time! what was interesting about _ that?! all this time! what was interesting about the - that?! all this time! what was - interesting about the construction of the speech, think about the theme is party conferences, after the financial crisis it was the economy, in brexit it was about brexit, keir starmer spent about a0 minutes talking about crime, justice, his legal background, because that is how he defines himself and how he is trying to present himself to the country. you don't actually hear him talking about crime that much even though it is basically his strong card. �* . , though it is basically his strong card. �* ., , ., though it is basically his strong card. . , ., ., , ., card. and that is what matters to eo - le card. and that is what matters to people when _ card. and that is what matters to people when i — card. and that is what matters to people when i was _ card. and that is what matters to people when i was doorknockingl card. and that is what matters to i people when i was doorknocking in the by—election, the concern about anti-social— the by—election, the concern about anti—social behaviour, speeding traffic. — anti—social behaviour, speeding traffic, going heavy on crime is not a bad _ traffic, going heavy on crime is not a bad thing — traffic, going heavy on crime is not a bad thing-— a bad thing. you said it was labour's — a bad thing. you said it was labour's issue, _ a bad thing. you said it was labour's issue, you - a bad thing. you said it was labour's issue, you talk i a bad thing. you said it was i labour's issue, you talk about education, and he echoed the past under tony blair with education, education, education so is that a positive? i education, education so is that a ositive? ~ education, education so is that a ositive? ,, ,., education, education so is that a ositive? ,, ., ,, ., positive? i think so, talk about education _ positive? i think so, talk about education as _ positive? i think so, talk about education as a _ positive? i think so, talk about education as a boxer _ positive? i think so, talk about education as a boxer but i positive? i think so, talk about education as a boxer but it's i positive? i think so, talk about. education as a boxer but it's not 'ust education as a boxer but it's not just one — education as a boxer but it's not just one issue, we have to cover the whole _ just one issue, we have to cover the whole spectrum. just one issue, we have to cover the whole spectrum-— whole spectrum. crime is so important — whole spectrum. crime is so important so _ whole spectrum. crime is so important so why _ whole spectrum. crime is so important so why did i whole spectrum. crime is so important so why did they i whole spectrum. crime is so i important so why did they vote against the police and vote in parliament? before you were an mp... give her the get out ofjail free card! give her the get out of 'ail free card! ., ., ., ., ., ., , card! you would have voted against it? nowi card! you would have voted against it? now! need _ card! you would have voted against it? now i need to _ card! you would have voted against it? now i need to look— card! you would have voted against it? now i need to look forward - card! you would have voted against it? now i need to look forward and| it? now i need to look forward and that is what _ it? now i need to look forward and that is what they _ it? now i need to look forward and that is what they had _ it? now i need to look forward and that is what they had been - it? now i need to look forward and that is what they had been about, | it? now i need to look forward and | that is what they had been about, a vision _ that is what they had been about, a vision for— that is what they had been about, a vision for the future and that is what _ vision for the future and that is what he — vision for the future and that is what he did really well. you take that energy from the bay, we move forward _ that energy from the bay, we move forward on — that energy from the bay, we move forward on those important issues. in terrrrs— forward on those important issues. in terms of— forward on those important issues. in terms of approach, we talked with angela rayner because of the comments she made about the tory government and borisjohnson, but where are you? would you like to hear more of that sort of fiery controversial language in terms of taking on the tories? fir controversial language in terms of taking on the tories?— taking on the tories? or keir starmer's — taking on the tories? or keir starmer's approach? - taking on the tories? or keir starmer's approach? i - taking on the tories? or keir starmer's approach? i think. taking on the tories? or keir i starmer's approach? i think you taking on the tories? or keir - starmer's approach? i think you can be passionate without being offensive and that's important, i am a strong _ offensive and that's important, i am a strong and — offensive and that's important, i am a strong and feisty northern woman as is angela and i think that's a strength— as is angela and i think that's a strength but we have to be careful about _ strength but we have to be careful about the — strength but we have to be careful about the language we use across the political— about the language we use across the political spectrum. you can still -et political spectrum. you can still get the — political spectrum. you can still get the passion across and call out bad behaviour without using language that i probably wouldn't. the bad behaviour without using language that i probably wouldn't.— that i probably wouldn't. the battle between the _ that i probably wouldn't. the battle between the leadership _ that i probably wouldn't. the battle between the leadership and - that i probably wouldn't. the battle between the leadership and the - that i probably wouldn't. the battle| between the leadership and the left has dominated to some extent so how do you think they will leave today, the leadership after this conference and that speech?— the leadership after this conference and that speech? relieved and very ha - i and that speech? relieved and very happy i think- _ and that speech? relieved and very happy i think- you _ and that speech? relieved and very happy i think. you will _ and that speech? relieved and very happy i think. you will think- and that speech? relieved and very happy i think. you will think they i happy i think. you will think they will think they _ happy i think. you will think they will think they have _ happy i think. you will think they will think they have achieved - will think they have achieved something? were the rule changes necessary? i something? were the rule changes necessa ? ~ something? were the rule changes necessa ? ,, ,., something? were the rule changes necessa ? ,, �* , something? were the rule changes necessa ? ,, �*, ., necessary? i think so, it's about movin: necessary? i think so, it's about moving forward _ necessary? i think so, it's about moving forward and _ necessary? i think so, it's about moving forward and getting - necessary? i think so, it's about moving forward and getting the | necessary? i think so, it's about - moving forward and getting the party in a position to face the electorate and that— in a position to face the electorate and that is— in a position to face the electorate and that is what the rule changes enable _ and that is what the rule changes enable us — and that is what the rule changes enable us to do.— and that is what the rule changes enable us to do. there were a lot of --eole enable us to do. there were a lot of peeple very — enable us to do. there were a lot of peeple very unhappy _ enable us to do. there were a lot of people very unhappy about - enable us to do. there were a lot of people very unhappy about what - people very unhappy about what happened and it was necessarily in the party, looking internally rather than to the photos. i the party, looking internally rather than to the photos.— than to the photos. i think those chan . es than to the photos. i think those changes enable _ than to the photos. i think those changes enable us _ than to the photos. i think those changes enable us to _ than to the photos. i think those changes enable us to look - than to the photos. i think those - changes enable us to look externally and that's— changes enable us to look externally and that's important —— rather than to the _ and that's important —— rather than to the photos. it's about ironing out those — to the photos. it's about ironing out those issues and we have got to where _ out those issues and we have got to where we _ out those issues and we have got to where we need to be honest about getting _ where we need to be honest about getting out there into the wider world _ getting out there into the wider world and speaking to the electorate.— world and speaking to the electorate. ., electorate. one other thing, i thouuht electorate. one other thing, i thought one _ electorate. one other thing, i thought one thing _ electorate. one other thing, i thought one thing was - electorate. one other thing, i thought one thing was quite l electorate. one other thing, i- thought one thing was quite clever with a short line on brexit, that the new policy is to make brexit work and guess what? it combines being pro—and anti—brexit, something this party has agonised over and they have struck on a magic formula. and they are going on a talk on him and lisa nandy but more of that on another day, that's all we have time for here in brighton at the labour party conference, keir starmer's speech in 2021. goodbye. this is bbc news. the headlines: sir keir starmer delivers his first in—person speech at the labour party conference. he attacks the government over the lorry driver shortage and outlines his vision for labour's future: we will never, under my leadership, go into an election with a manifesto that isn't a serious plan for government. he dealt with heckles from opponents within the conference hall as he delivered his speech. we will get all the reaction from brighton. sarah everard was falsely arrested and abducted by the former police officer who murdered her in march, the old bailey has heard. the government says its reserve tanker fleet driven by civilians will be on the road this afternoon to try to boost deliveries of fuel to petrol stations across britain.

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