available in supermarkets to the price of a pint. the gift of life — the number of parents having a baby with the help of a surrogate has quadrupled in the last decade. a great night for the home nations in world cup qualifying. england put ten past luxembourg, whilst there were also wins for scotland, northern ireland and wales. it is the autumn equinox that comes with cloud and rain in scotland and northern ireland but something brighter in england and wales. the forecast here on breakfast. it's wednesday the 22nd of september. boris johnson's hopes for securing a comprehensive free trade deal with the us appear to be fading after president biden downplayed the issue after their face—to—face meeting at the white house. downing street said there was a very positive atmosphere between the two leaders. the president also issued a fresh warning to mrjohnson that peace in northern ireland must not be jeopardised as a result of the complications caused by brexit. our political editor laura kuenssberg reports from washington dc. side by side, borisjohnson�*s visit to the most famous political office in the world finally took place. the president regaling him first with stories of the american railroad. i travel more on amtrak. if i were a conductor, i would be number one on seniority. it was far from just a friendly chat. the two men hailing working together on security, on travel, on climate. but on trade, the us isn't ready to speed towards a deal with the uk. and the us president was clear on his concerns about northern ireland. on the deal with the uk, that continues to be discussed. but on the protocols, i feel very strongly about this. i feel very strongly about those. and i would not at all like to see, nor, i might add, would many of my republican colleagues like to see, a change in the irish courts and the end result having a closed border again. for number 10, though, the white house visit was third day lucky on this trip, describing the atmosphere of the talks as very positive, saying the relationship between the new neighbours at the white house and the uk is making great strides forward. finally, after two years, borisjohnson has had his moment in the white house as the uk prime minister. on this muggy washington evening, the atmosphere inside the oval office was warm. the two men agree on many things, particularly their commitment to tackling climate change. but there is a sense, still, this is a relationship in its early days, not yet an established friendship. the prime minister still has one day on this side of the atlantic. the situation he'll face at home could give him more cause for concern. laura kuenssberg, bbc news, at the white house. the commercial production of carbon dioxide for use in the food and drink industry is set to resume after the government reached a deal to cover a manufacturer's operating costs for a limited time. it comes after a warning that rising gas prices could lead to a shortage of goods on the shelves. chief political correspondent adam fleming joins us now. where are we with the crisis, has it been averted? this where are we with the crisis, has it been averted?— been averted? this bit of the gas crisis looks _ been averted? this bit of the gas crisis looks like _ been averted? this bit of the gas crisis looks like it _ been averted? this bit of the gas crisis looks like it has _ been averted? this bit of the gas crisis looks like it has been - crisis looks like it has been averted at least for bit, because they have decided to cover the operating costs of one plant for three weeks for several million pounds. this plant makes fertiliser but a by—product of that is carbon dioxide that is used in different industries, especially food production. if you have no carbon dioxide it affects food on the shelves, or at least it would have donein shelves, or at least it would have done in a few weeks, so this will bide them over the next few weeks so there is no immediate crisis. but what happens at the end of the three weeks, if gas prices are still superhigh, this company might still find itself in trouble. the government said it will do what it takes to ensure supplies for the country but it says it has to be with a market—based way, in other words, i do not think they want to do any more hand—outs to any more companies. separately to this, gas prices are still very high, which means there is pressure on energy companies, particularly those who did not buy gas supplies in advance when it was cheaper. the industry is still expecting more companies to go bust, which means more having to switch to other suppliers, where bills could be higher than expected. that bit of the crisis has not been averted yet. that bit of the crisis has not been averted yet-— that bit of the crisis has not been averted vet-— that bit of the crisis has not been averted et. . ~ , , ., ~ averted yet. thanks. we will speak to the environment _ averted yet. thanks. we will speak to the environment secretary - averted yet. thanks. we will speak| to the environment secretary about that and other issues at around 7:30am. years of repeated human errors and outdated technology led to an estimated £1 billion worth of state pensions being underpaid to more than 100,000 people. a report by the national audit office into failures at the department for work and pensions found problems dating back to the 1980s. here's our business reporter, sarah corker. for nearly a decade, irene from worcestershire was underpaid her state pension. she is one of thousands of women in their 70s and 80s that missed out on large sums of money because of government errors. i think it's scandalous. i think that the fact that you have to battle for something that's rightfully yours is awful, because i was lucky, i have got richard to help me. but anybody who is a widow, perhaps not financially up with it, and they're perhaps struggling on the breadline, it could make a tremendous difference. irene has now been paid the £7,000 she was owed, but it was a battle and she's far from alone. these errors relate to married women who had small state pensions. they were eligible to claim 60% of their husbands contributions. but complex rules and errors by the dwp meant that for decades, they were underpaid. the errors date back to 1985, affecting an estimated 134,000 pensioners, including some married women, widows and the over 805. they are collectively owed more than £1 billion. the national audit office found there were repeated human errors over many years at the department for work and pensions, blamed on complex pension rules and unautomated, outdated it systems. most of the people affected are going to be women, not all, but most — 90% of those that take this type of state pension uplifts are women. and unfortunately, i'm afraid, many of them will have died before they received the money that they are owed. so actually, in a significant minority of cases, this is money that will actually go to their next of kin. the department for work and pensions said it is fully committed to ensuring the historical errors made by successive governments are corrected, and it's improved training to make sure it doesn't happen again. a team of 500 civil servants is now working to trace women like irene who were short—changed. but it will take years to complete. sarah corker, bbc news. lava flowing from the volcano that erupted on the spanish island of la palma on sunday has now destroyed more than 200 houses. nearly 6,000 people who live near the cumbre vieja volcano have been evacuated. the lava is flowing at an estimated speed of 300 metres an hour down towards the sea. let's see some live pictures of la palma. it is continuing. you can see the eruption still ongoing. we hope to bring you more information in the programme about what is happening to people who live nearby because there has been confusion about where they are going and how long they need to be away. hopefully we will clear that up on the programme. the pictures are incredible. the footballer and food campaigner marcus rashford is set to find a new type of stardom — on the school syllabus. some students starting gcse media studies this autumn will learn about how the striker used his high profile to help provide healthy meals to disadvantaged young people. last year, he was awarded an mbe for services to vulnerable children during the pandemic. now you can go to school to learn about him. that was him with his mum at the food bank. it was named after him. a bit like you, he has a bad back. not now that i am in my new position. now that you are watching your top line. we both watch our top line. there we go. attitude is important. you have to pretend you and the dance floor. you own the studio and everyone else has to get out of it. and now it is matt who owns the weather. good morning, it is the autumn equinox. the end of summer in the astronomical calendar. it will feel like awesome particularly in scotland and later in northern ireland. england and wales, it should stay dry with sunshine, the best of which will be in the east. colder for sun this morning but this is where the rain is at present. pushing to the north—west of scotland. heavy rain in lewis and the highlands. the best of the sunshine in the south and east. temperatures on the rise after the cold start. it will brighten up in northern scotland this afternoon. rain pushing south. to the south of it temperatures above what it should be. quite a month as far as temperatures are concerned. but feeling cooler later. here we will see gusty winds. you can see the mean wind speed on the chart. rain in aberdeen, through towards perth, glasgow, and the north and west of northern ireland this evening. england and wales staying dry with sunny spells in central and eastern areas especially. overnight, cloud and rain pushes away. more rain at times in the north of scotland where the wind will strengthen. gales, perhaps severe gales in parts of orkney and shetland. it keeps the temperatures up tonight. tomorrow, plenty of cloud but brightening up particularly in the south. always cloudy in western areas to see the week out but it will stay warm in england and week out but it will stay warm in england and wales. the number of people having a baby using a surrogate in england and wales has almost quadrupled in the last ten years. applications for court orders which transfer rights from the surrogate to the intended parents increased from 117 in 2011 to a13 in 2020. the research, from the university of kent and a surrogacy matching agency, also found that most applicants were mixed sex couples. breakfast�*s jayne mccubbin reports. let me introduce three families. my name's natalie, i'm 3a and a first—time surrogate. each with their own journey into surrogacy. hi, i'm carina. i'm 41 years old and i'm a mum of four beautiful children, each born through surrogacy following a breast cancer diagnosis. each have given or received perhaps the greatest gift there could ever be. this is from fran. fran is mum to grace. and this is gina and gina - was grace's tummy mummy. the gift of a brand—new life — or three. carina's journey might have begun with a near—fatal health condition, but it's brought her, joyfully, right here. all: we are the damons! so ena was my very first surrogate who gave birth to my daughter amala, and laura was my second surrogate, who gave birth to the triplets for me. and, you know, those women transformed my life. they made me a mum. they gave me something that many medics told me would never be possible. and, you know, they made my dreams come true. and for them, i'm for ever grateful. they are a small part of a growing number of surrogate children. a report shown exclusively to the bbc shows the number of parents having a baby using a surrogate in england and wales has almost quadrupled in the last ten years. from 117 in 2011 to over 400 last year. for carina and also for frances, finding a surrogate was life—changing. when you're given a cancer diagnosis, your whole life just changes in seconds and it's like you just fall into this hole. and then when evelyn was born, who was the first one, it felt like the first time since that diagnosis — sorry — this weight had been lifted. there was no handing over. it wasjust all four of us being in the room, part of a wonderful birth. and ijust watched a family being created, literally in front of my eyes. almost felt like i was encroaching on their moment — of the beginning of their family. it was beautiful. the girls saved my life. but almost 40 years ago, surrogacy was viewed with suspicion. months after britain's first surrogate baby was born, so, too, were the very first surrogacy laws. today, those laws are under review. only altruistic surrogacy is allowed here. surrogates can't advertise and they can't charge a fee — only expenses. carina paid around £75,000 in expenses for her family. because there isn't an actual legal framework that surrogacy operates within, there's a heck of a lot of trust that's needed. and the classic thing is people always say, what if she keeps your baby? but one thing that ena said to me, and it really opened my eyes with regards to the law and the way it stands, she said, my biggest fear is what if you don't take your baby? because, legally, i'm that child's mum. so there are two sides to every coin here. the end of natalie's surrogacy journey is now weeks away. she and husband jack already have two children, but her surrogacy dream was born out of the heartbreak of having a stillborn daughter. i always try and take positives from any situation. planning to bring my own home and not doing that was the hardest thing that i've ever had to do. but to have somebody else's baby that isn't genetically linked to me at all, for them to worship and love and cherish is a positive thing that's come out of a very negative, dark period. this was the embryo. these were the tests. and this — well, this is the very moment she broke the news to her intended parents, andy and gareth. i'm excited, i can't wait. the best part about being pregnant is not the stresses. i don't have to worry about what i haven't got or what i need to get, you know, all these things. i honestly cannot wait to see their faces. i have said if they don't cry, i might punch them. it was a concern for me that, at the end of the process, how nat would feel handing the baby over. but now, meeting the guys and getting to know them, no, that's not a concern for me at all, because, like nat said, we get to sort of share in the joy that they get. all of these families agree that current laws need reform, but all agree there is no greater gift than parenthood. parenthood, to me, means the ability to nurture, create and grow your child in any way, shape orform. unconditional love from the moment they're in your arms. i wasn't able to do the first nine months of their life. but i'll be here for the rest of their lives. as long as you love them, that's all you need, really. if you needed a little bit ofjoy on wednesday morning. i think we brought it to you there. jayne mccubbin reporting there. just after eight, we'll speak to a father who has two children through surrogacy, and a woman who was a surrogate forfive children. if minister if 5 have struck a deal minister have struck a deal to restart the uk's commercial production of carbon dioxide — after warnings the shortage could disrupt food supplies. but is it the end of the crisis? nina's at a brewery in salford. will this fix things? yes. good morning. from the brewery in salford. it is the seven brothers brewery where seven brothers set up a brewery. we have seen how important co2 is to the drink supply chain. these, they ferment, the water goes into an carbon dioxide is used to purge them, cleanse them, so it does not go off in the brewing process. here we have the packaging. carbon dioxide is used to go into the tins again to make sure your beer does not go off. and look at the bar area. every time you have a pint in your local, carbon dioxide is used to push the liquid into your pint glass. that is why it is so important and this is a tiny business that relies on it so heavily. let's look at why there has been so much tension around the supply. we have been talking about the wholesale price providers are having to pay to get it to us which has doubled since january because of increased demand and lower supply. prices are so high, some businesses have not been able to afford to function. one of them, cf industries, an american company that makes fertiliser, the by—product of carbon dioxide is 60% of our national source. we know how widely it is used in brewing, fizzy drinks, salad packaging. one industry group says if these did not change by yesterday you could see gaps on the shelves in the next few days. that deal was struck last night, a multi—million pound dealfor three multi—million pound deal for three weeks multi—million pound dealfor three weeks to get carbon dioxide production up and running but there is thought to be a three day lag before that happened so it is an anxious time for businesses like michael's. michael processes chicken and within the process he uses carbon dioxide to keep it fresh. tell us last night, when you heard about the deal, your reaction. i was relieved. about the deal, your reaction. i was relieved- i — about the deal, your reaction. i was relieved. i did _ about the deal, your reaction. i was relieved. i did not _ about the deal, your reaction. i was relieved. i did not know— about the deal, your reaction. i was relieved. i did not know the - about the deal, your reaction. i —" relieved. i did not know the details of the deal. we need more detail, when supply will come back on stream and when i will be able to get supplies. where are you up to at the moment? we had a supply in yesterday but that will last just over a week. i need to know where my next delivery will be. the i need to know where my next delivery will be.— i need to know where my next delivery will be. the three day lag is significant? _ delivery will be. the three day lag is significant? very _ delivery will be. the three day lag is significant? very significant. i is significant? very significant. how important is it in the packaging process. how important is it in the packaging rocess. ~ ., ., , , , how important is it in the packaging rocess. ~ ., ., ,, , ., how important is it in the packaging rocess. ., , ., . process. what happens to the chicken without c02? — without co2? if i cannot put it in the packaging my shelf life drops to 7—8 days which is a massive effect on the supply chain. also customers will not be able to put chicken on the she” not be able to put chicken on the shelf as long as normal and consumers will be affected when they buy the chicken. they will have to eat it fairly quickly, not leave it in the fridge a few days before having a meal.— in the fridge a few days before having a meal. and if there are fewer chickens, _ having a meal. and if there are fewer chickens, the _ having a meal. and if there are fewer chickens, the prices - having a meal. and if there are i fewer chickens, the prices rocket. what contingency is your business considering? this what contingency is your business considering?— what contingency is your business considerinu? , , , considering? this is the second time it has happened _ considering? this is the second time it has happened in _ considering? this is the second time it has happened in over— considering? this is the second time it has happened in over three - considering? this is the second time it has happened in over three years. it has happened in over three years so we are looking at putting extra tanks into hold co2 on site to give my business more flexibility, possibly 2—3 weeks of supply on site rather than relying on the supplier. which all cost money, extra outlay. the government tells us not to panic about christmas. everything will be fine. you are laughing, why? this has come out _ fine. you are laughing, why? this has come out of _ fine. you are laughing, why? this has come out of the _ fine. you are laughing, why? ti 3 has come out of the blue, this c02. has come out of the blue, this co2. it gives you the jitters. we can see c02 is it gives you the jitters. we can see co2 is more crucial christmas with my turkey business because we have thousands of turkeys to pack for christmas. if i do not have co2, i don't know how we will manage. you are concerned _ don't know how we will manage. you are concerned about a shortage of turkeys? i are concerned about a shortage of turke s? ., _, . ., , turkeys? i am concerned. the only other option _ turkeys? i am concerned. the only other option would _ turkeys? i am concerned. the only other option would be _ turkeys? i am concerned. the only other option would be to _ turkeys? i am concerned. the only other option would be to freeze . turkeys? i am concerned. the only| other option would be to freeze the turkeys which i don't want to do. i want to provide a fresh turkey. find want to provide a fresh turkey. and michael's is — want to provide a fresh turkey. and michael's is one _ want to provide a fresh turkey. and michael's is one business of tens of thousands in the country and you have to place it in the context of the shortage of hgv drivers and shortage of workers, difficulties at the border post—brexit. the government seeks to reassure businesses it will be a smooth winter and this is a temporary problem but businesses like michael's struggling to believe that at the moment as are consumers who are wondering the point at which the costs will be passed on to them. over the past 18 months on breakfast, you'll remember we've been following the journeys of doddie weir, rob burrow and stephen darby — three former sports stars all living with motor neurone disease. they've become key campaigners, raising awareness of the incurable illness that afects up to 5,000 people in the uk. yesterday, rob and stephen went to downing street, to deliver a letter calling for more funding for the condition. brea kfast�*s zoe conway was with them. a picture of dignity, courage and determination. stephen darby is handing in a petition calling on the government to put £50 million into research to fund new treatments for motor neurone disease. commentator: stephen darby, what a challenge this was. this former professional footballer was diagnosed with it three years ago. it is such a brutal disease, its progress normally so rapid, that he is fortunate it has not yet taken away the use of his legs or his power of speech. what was going through your mind when you were standing in front of that door? really, where everything is at the minute. the hard work that has gone in from notjust everyone here today, but the support that we've had from hundreds and thousands of people. i can't thank them enough for their support. the other sports star here is former rugby league player rob burrow. at his side, his greatest champion, his father geoff, who came down to london with him from yorkshire. it must have been a bit of an ordeal to come down today. was it worth it? more than worth it. it was an ordeal, but a good ordeal. it has been marvellous. i never thought i would be... rob and myself would be outside 10 downing st. let's hope the petition works and makes a difference. the prime minister is not here. he is in new york. if he was here, what would you say to him? what this will mean to mnd sufferers and great hope — we are now on the brink of a meaningful treatment, so we need to get funds to help prolong life and find a cure. their friend, the former rugby union player doddie weir, should have been here, too, but he had to abandon his journey down after being pinged for being in contact with someone with covid. it is notjust the government they have been lobbying. there were meetings with prominent politicians, including the speaker of the house of commons, lindsay hoyle. thanks for what you do. you are getting the profile there and that is what really, really matters. and if anyone is going to fight, you are the fighter. you have been a champion all your life. keep it coming. the motor neurone disease association hopes that if the government finds £50 million in the budget this autumn, they can double it to 100 million with donations from charities and business. we need to fund motor neurone disease research all the way from understanding what causes it right at the very beginning, all the way through to developing new drugs and then testing those in patients. so those three components, that is called the translational pipeline, that whole pipeline of work is an expensive thing to do. is it a complete moonshot, this project? it is partly a moonshot, but, actually now is the time to do it, because we are making huge advances in motor neurone disease. usually, i have less than one clinical trial to offer my patients a year. right now, i've got about ten. what these campaigners achieved was surely more than make the case for funding. they inspired. as rob burrow likes to say, motor neurone disease might rob them of their legs, their voices and perhaps, one day, their ability to breathe, but it will never take away their spirit. zoe conway, bbc news. great to see them handing in the petition. foranyone great to see them handing in the petition. for anyone concerned about doddy weir, he was just pinged, he was fine. they were on the way down but he and his wife had to turn back. a situation lots of people have been in, being clinically vulnerable. good morning from bbc london, i'm tolu adeoye. the government is taking legal action against climate change protestors to try and stop disruption on the m25. the group insulate britain has blocked the motorway on several occasions in the past week. it's said its actions are entirely proportionate "in the context of the horror of the climate crisis". seeking an injuction against them, the government says it will not stand by while the protests disrupt people's lives. local community groups in london are warning that thousands of people will be pushed to the brink if the extra £20 a week in universal credit is cut at the end of this month. official figures show just over a million people in london claimed the benefit in august. haringey has the highest rate, with one in ten claiming. the government says its focus is on getting people into work. the family of a woman from brentford who died from covid—19 have created a cookbook to try and keep her memory alive. sabeen mansoor died last february after spending seven weeks on a ventilator. she was passionate about cooking. and so her husband and son have put together a book of her favourite recipes as a way of honoring her. the smell is just unbelievable. it brings to mind us running down and see if the dish is ready, because when sabeen used to make it, the whole house used to smell so beautiful. unfortunately, now, we can never have food from her hands, but what we're trying to do is to try to keep the whole heritage and whole family thing alive. let's have a look at the travel situation this morning. there are minor delays on the metropolitan line, otherwise it's good service on the tubes this morning on the roads, the m25 has one lane closed anticlockwise after the dartford tunnel. queues back tojunction 2 for the a2. and for all other travel news tune in to your local bbc radio station. onto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. it is set to be another decent day of weather today across the capital. above average temperatures once more for this time of year. it will stay dry and there will be quite a bit of sunshine around as well. it's been a chilly start to this morning, some of our temperatures rurally have dropped back into single figures. and there is a bit of mist around as well but it's not terribly widespread or extensive. that will lift and clear as we head through the morning. there will be some sunshine emerging, perhaps a little bit more cloud through the afternoon than we saw yesterday but staying dry. top temperatures in the best of the sunshine this afternoon hitting 21 to 23 celsius in a few more favoured spots. a bit more of a noticeable westerly wind blowing too. as we head through this morning this evening and overnight, as we head through this evening and overnight, we've got cloud edging down from the north—west. that will keep the temperatures largely in double figures so lows of around ten or 11 celsius. as we start the day on thursday, there could be a few spits and spots of drizzle. certainly a lot of cloud around through the morning, and then that cloud will clear to leave us with a dry and sunny afternoon. top temperatures around 22 celsius, maybe 23 again by the time we get to friday. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london in half an hour. now though it's back to dan and sally. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with dan walker and sally nugent. coming up on breakfast this morning. how lockdown has affected people with stutters. we'll find out why calls to the national nhs stammering helpline have doubled since the start of the pandemic. gary neville will tell us how marcus rashford's school meals campaign has inspired him to start one of his own, helping young people from disadvantaged backgrounds access higher education. you were in the gutter, uncle tom. sorry, rocky, whoever you are this week. the revelation of his true identity left eastenders fans reeling last night. we'll chat to brian conley, aka "rocky", about being the square's newest bad boy. £100,000 — that's how much one woman was owed after it emerged her state pension had been underpaid for 20 years. and rosemary chattell is not alone, she is just one of more than 100,000 people, mostly women, who are owed an estimated £1 billion. her sonjohn is with us now. and alsojoining us from london is the former pensions minister sir steve webb, who brought the department of work and pension's mistake to light. good morning, gentlemen. ifi good morning, gentlemen. if i could come to you first, john, what was your mother's situation, what went wrong? your mother's situation, what went wron: ? . , , your mother's situation, what went wron: ? ., , , ., , your mother's situation, what went wron.? ., , , .,, wrong? originally, she was in care, and i was looking _ wrong? originally, she was in care, and i was looking into _ wrong? originally, she was in care, and i was looking into her- wrong? originally, she was in care, and i was looking into her affairs i and i was looking into her affairs backin and i was looking into her affairs back in 2020 and i found the pension was pretty low, £77 per week or that level. i knew my wife's mothers pension was about 140 per week so i knew there was something wrong somewhere. i dug into it, i didn't get definitive answer from the dwp but it seemed it wasn't right. a woman said she would look into it and get back to me, she did actually phoned back a few days later, she said, are you sitting down? i have some news for you. i was driving the car, she said, you might want to pull over. did car, she said, you might want to pull over-— car, she said, you might want to pull over.- no! - car, she said, you might want to pull over.- no! she - car, she said, you might want to| pull over.- no! she said, pull over. did you? no! she said, i'm estimated _ pull over. did you? no! she said, i'm estimated that _ pull over. did you? no! she said, i'm estimated that your - pull over. did you? no! she said, i'm estimated that your mother. pull over. did you? no! she said, | i'm estimated that your mother is owed over £100,000. 50 i'm estimated that your mother is owed over £100,000.— i'm estimated that your mother is owed over £100,000. so where were the mistakes — owed over £100,000. so where were the mistakes made? _ owed over £100,000. so where were the mistakes made? was _ owed over £100,000. so where were the mistakes made? was it _ owed over £100,000. so where were the mistakes made? was it a - owed over £100,000. so where were the mistakes made? was it a series | the mistakes made? was it a series of mistakes in calculating the amount? mr; of mistakes in calculating the amount? ~ , . of mistakes in calculating the amount? y . " " of mistakes in calculating the amount? g ., " ' ' ., amount? my father died in 1999, and his ortion amount? my father died in 1999, and his portion of — amount? my father died in 1999, and his portion of the _ amount? my father died in 1999, and his portion of the pension _ amount? my father died in 1999, and his portion of the pension was - amount? my father died in 1999, and his portion of the pension was neverl his portion of the pension was never given to my mother. so we had 20 years of unpaid pension. just thinkin: years of unpaid pension. just thinking about _ years of unpaid pension. just thinking about the number of people in that same situation, let's bring in that same situation, let's bring in steve webb as well. thank you for being with us today. the scale of this is huge. john isjust one case and his mum, but there are so many people in this situation, potentially being owed somewhere in the region of that amount of money, £100,000 or more.— £100,000 or more. that's right, it is a hue £100,000 or more. that's right, it is a huge problem _ £100,000 or more. that's right, it is a huge problem and _ £100,000 or more. that's right, it is a huge problem and out - £100,000 or more. that's right, it is a huge problem and out of - £100,000 or more. that's right, it is a huge problem and out of the i £100,000 or more. that's right, it| is a huge problem and out of the £1 billion_ is a huge problem and out of the £1 billion you — is a huge problem and out of the £1 billion you mentioned, most has not been paid _ billion you mentioned, most has not been paid. so the government will be employing _ been paid. so the government will be employing an army of civil servants, 500 people — employing an army of civil servants, 500 people for two and a half years, going _ 500 people for two and a half years, going case _ 500 people for two and a half years, going case by case and checking records — going case by case and checking records to— going case by case and checking records to pay money that you have 'ust records to pay money that you have just heard _ records to pay money that you have just heard from that case has been owed _ just heard from that case has been owed for— just heard from that case has been owed for 20 years, one person has been _ owed for 20 years, one person has been underpaid for 36 years. the shocker— been underpaid for 36 years. the shocker was this was allowed to go on for— shocker was this was allowed to go on for so _ shocker was this was allowed to go on for so long. in shocker was this was allowed to go on for so long-— on for so long. in your previous 'ob, on for so long. in your previous job. you _ on for so long. in your previous job. you had — on for so long. in your previous job. you had a _ on for so long. in your previous job, you had a lot— on for so long. in your previous job, you had a lot of— on for so long. in your previous| job, you had a lot of knowledge on for so long. in your previous i job, you had a lot of knowledge in this area, what went wrong? what was the mistake, or was it a combination of mistakes? i the mistake, or was it a combination of mistakes?— the mistake, or was it a combination of mistakes? i think the mistake was that when something _ of mistakes? i think the mistake was that when something changed - of mistakes? i think the mistake was that when something changed in i of mistakes? i think the mistake was that when something changed in the| that when something changed in the life of— that when something changed in the life of usually a retired woman, so her husband retired or died or she reached _ her husband retired or died or she reached 80, those with a three triggers. — reached 80, those with a three triggers, her pension reached 80, those with a three trngei’s, her pension should reached 80, those with a three triggers, her pension should have been _ triggers, her pension should have been reassessed. in some cases it was: _ been reassessed. in some cases it was, no _ been reassessed. in some cases it was, no one — been reassessed. in some cases it was, no one is saying that every pension— was, no one is saying that every pension was wrong, but in those situations— pension was wrong, but in those situations in too many cases for tens— situations in too many cases for tens of— situations in too many cases for tens of thousands of widows, over 80s or— tens of thousands of widows, over 80s or retired women, someone did not spot— 80s or retired women, someone did not spot that something had changed and reassessed the pension. here we are years _ and reassessed the pension. here we are years later, i started bringing cases— are years later, i started bringing cases to — are years later, i started bringing cases to the attention of the department 18 months ago and now we are seeing _ department 18 months ago and now we are seeing today that most of the money— are seeing today that most of the money has not been paid. that amount of money makes _ money has not been paid. that amount of money makes a _ money has not been paid. that amount of money makes a difference _ money has not been paid. that amount of money makes a difference now- of money makes a difference now because you can use it for care costs or whatever it is useful, what sort of difference would that have made your mum when she was getting her pension? it made your mum when she was getting her pension?— her pension? it was a choice of what she can do — her pension? it was a choice of what she can do for _ her pension? it was a choice of what she can do for a _ her pension? it was a choice of what she can do for a time. _ her pension? it was a choice of what she can do for a time. she _ her pension? it was a choice of what she can do for a time. she is - her pension? it was a choice of what she can do for a time. she is in i she can do for a time. she is in care and she had to mention is that she's not even aware of the payment which is sad. the first thing was the other people, who else could be missing out. the the other people, who else could be missing out-— missing out. the dwp say they have no lans missing out. the dwp say they have no plans to — missing out. the dwp say they have no plans to try _ missing out. the dwp say they have no plans to try and _ missing out. the dwp say they have no plans to try and trace _ missing out. the dwp say they have no plans to try and trace people i missing out. the dwp say they have| no plans to try and trace people who may have missed out, so if people think they might be missing out, what do they need to do? the key thin that what do they need to do? the key thing that people _ what do they need to do? the key thing that people need _ what do they need to do? the key thing that people need to - what do they need to do? the key thing that people need to do i what do they need to do? the key thing that people need to do is, l thing that people need to do is, they should be chased by dwp where people _ they should be chased by dwp where people are still alive, and they are on the _ people are still alive, and they are on the government system, the problem — on the government system, the problem is that where people have died more — problem is that where people have died more than four years ago, the government get rid of the records. in government get rid of the records. in that _ government get rid of the records. in that situation, there is nobody on the _ in that situation, there is nobody on the computer, the government is not going _ on the computer, the government is not going to — on the computer, the government is not going to phone you up so if you still have _ not going to phone you up so if you still have paper records, bank statements and you think you might have been_ statements and you think you might have been underpaid, gather the material— have been underpaid, gather the material and contact the department. it is material and contact the department. it is a _ material and contact the department. it is a challenge because ideally the government should be fairly new but because over four years after someone — but because over four years after someone dies those records are destroyed, those records are gone. -- ideally— destroyed, those records are gone. —— ideally the government should be phoning _ —— ideally the government should be phoning you. -- ideally the government should be phoning you-— phoning you. john was persistent, and he was _ phoning you. john was persistent, and he was told _ phoning you. john was persistent, and he was told categorically i phoning you. john was persistent, and he was told categorically that | and he was told categorically that the figures were right, you could have easily stopped and the money would still not be there. yes. would still not be there. yes, sadl , would still not be there. yes, sadly. that — would still not be there. yes, sadly, that experience - would still not be there. yes, sadly, that experience is i would still not be there. yes, sadly, that experience is not| sadly, that experience is not uncommon. a widowed woman got in touch— uncommon. a widowed woman got in touch with _ uncommon. a widowed woman got in touch with me last summer, saying her pension— touch with me last summer, saying her pension was too long, —— too low, _ her pension was too long, —— too low, and — her pension was too long, —— too low, and after she contacted the department and she said that they said it _ department and she said that they said it was — department and she said that they said it was fine, weak contacted them _ said it was fine, weak contacted them again and she got £30,000. some of the _ them again and she got £30,000. some of the corrections to the pension are being — of the corrections to the pension are being done wrong even now. things— are being done wrong even now. things have to be changed so that things— things have to be changed so that things are — things have to be changed so that things are systematically put right in the _ things are systematically put right in the future.— in the future. how difficult was it for ou in the future. how difficult was it for you to _ in the future. how difficult was it for you to sort — in the future. how difficult was it for you to sort out? _ in the future. how difficult was it for you to sort out? it's - in the future. how difficult was it for you to sort out? it's one i in the future. how difficult was it for you to sort out? it's one of. for you to sort out? it's one of those things, is it complicated to do that? i those things, is it complicated to do that? ~ ., ., , do that? i think at the time as well, do that? i think at the time as well. you _ do that? i think at the time as well. you are _ do that? i think at the time as well, you are almost - do that? i think at the time as well, you are almost into i do that? i think at the time as| well, you are almost into covid times, but not quite, so getting through to people was quite difficult. i was hanging on the phone for ages, and rigging back, difficult. i was hanging on the phone forages, and rigging back, it was tricky. == phone for ages, and rigging back, it was tric . . ,, ., was tricky. -- ringing back. your persistence _ was tricky. -- ringing back. your persistence paid _ was tricky. -- ringing back. your persistence paid off _ was tricky. -- ringing back. your persistence paid off but - was tricky. -- ringing back. your persistence paid off but many i was tricky. -- ringing back. your- persistence paid off but many people would have stopped in various stages along the way. would have stopped in various stages along the way-— along the way. yes, i 'ust thought, i willt along the way. yes, i 'ust thought, i will try h along the way. yes, i 'ust thought, i will try one more i along the way. yes, i just thought, i will try one more time, _ along the way. yes, i just thought, i will try one more time, it - along the way. yes, i just thought, i will try one more time, it was i i will try one more time, it was that kind of thing, we will give one more guy. i’m that kind of thing, we will give one more cu . �* ., �* , that kind of thing, we will give one moretu.�* ., �*, ., ., more guy. i'm glad it's made a difference _ more guy. i'm glad it's made a difference to _ more guy. i'm glad it's made a difference to your _ more guy. i'm glad it's made a difference to your family. i more guy. i'm glad it's made a l difference to your family. thank more guy. i'm glad it's made a i difference to your family. thank you for being with us this morning, and hopefully people will follow your advice this morning. lovely to see you both. let's get the weather now with mats. good morning. approaching sunrise this morning in east yorkshire. if you follow the astronomical calendar, it is the last of today is the autumn equinox. it is the sunrise and sunset, they are not equal length, that will happen later in the week, the equal length days and nights, that's to do with the curvature of the earth. at the log about our approach. we have got some —— but the longer nights are approaching. we have rain spreading through scotland this morning. a bit of a cool psst start in eastern areas, a dry and reasonably sunny day in eastern england. symbiotic additions to the south—east of scotland and northern ireland. the further north you go, we will have more gusty winds. we are well above where we should be in a good part of england and wales in terms of temperature. patchy rain will push south tonight, some lively showers across the far north of scotland coming and going, and gale or severe gale force winds tonight. more windy tonight than last night. we have the breeze blowing and a fair bit of cloud so it will not be chilly into tomorrow morning. this is the area of low pressure which is strengthening the winds, pushing eastwards and it is allowing an incursion of cold air into the north of the country. still west to south westerly winds across the rest of the uk keeping the temperature is up. more cloud across southern areas tomorrow, some patchy light rain or drizzle. cloud, patchy light rain or drizzle. cloud, patchy light rain or drizzle or the odd heavier burst across western scotland through the day. many other areas will see sunny spells through thursday. it will be a fresher feel in the north, further south, temperatures still above average. going into the weekend we switched the winds for all of us into a more southerly direction so temperatures will rise yet again, we have seen a month of temperatures well above normal for the time of year so far. by about three degrees across england and wales. there will be some rain on friday in scotland and northern ireland but south and east of the dry david sunny spells and temperatures between 23 and 24 degrees. that warmth will continue through england and wales through the weekend. yesterday the food and drink federation warned it could take just 10 days for products to be missing from supermarket shelves as a result of the carbon dioxide shortage. ministers have now struck a deal with one leading manufacturer, which should see production resume within the next few days. let's speak to ian wright, who made those comments yesterday. good morning. great to see this morning. you must be pleased at least that the deal has been done to restart production. we least that the deal has been done to restart production.— restart production. we are very leased restart production. we are very pleased that — restart production. we are very pleased that the _ restart production. we are very pleased that the government . restart production. we are very l pleased that the government and restart production. we are very i pleased that the government and the company concerned have been able to reach an agreement that the company will restart production. what we now need to understand is how that will work. i think prices of carbon dioxide from that company will rise and the customers will have to pay those prices. but as long as that happens, i think we will see that production will resume and we will see pretty quickly the danger of shortages disappear. this see pretty quickly the danger of shortages disappear.— see pretty quickly the danger of shortages disappear. this deal has been done. _ shortages disappear. this deal has been done. i _ shortages disappear. this deal has been done, i believe, _ shortages disappear. this deal has been done, i believe, for - shortages disappear. this deal has been done, i believe, for three i been done, i believe, for three weeks currently, is that enough? what's going to happen next? i don't think we know _ what's going to happen next? i don't think we know whether _ what's going to happen next? i don't think we know whether that - what's going to happen next? i don't think we know whether that is - think we know whether that is enough. what the government appears to have done is underwritten the cost of production. the company concerned has had to face a really extraordinary hike in the gas price. and the consequence is that producing carbon dioxide, which is a by—product of the fertiliser business they are really in, has not become economical. so the government has essentially given them breathing space to renegotiate the terms of trade with their various customers. those customers are all members of our organisation, food and drink businesses, hopefully they will be able to reach an agreement which allows the supply of carbon dioxide to resume. share allows the supply of carbon dioxide to resume. �* , ., allows the supply of carbon dioxide to resume. �* i. ., , ., allows the supply of carbon dioxide to resume. �* i. .,, ., ., to resume. are you able to say how bi a to resume. are you able to say how big a crisis — to resume. are you able to say how big a crisis that _ to resume. are you able to say how big a crisis that has _ to resume. are you able to say how big a crisis that has been _ to resume. are you able to say how big a crisis that has been in - to resume. are you able to say how big a crisis that has been in terms | big a crisis that has been in terms of potential food shortages? how close to a serious problem did we get? close to a serious problem did we aet? ~ close to a serious problem did we let? . ., ., , ., ., close to a serious problem did we get? well, we already had a serious roblem get? well, we already had a serious problem because _ get? well, we already had a serious problem because there _ get? well, we already had a serious problem because there are - get? well, we already had a serious. problem because there are shortages of shelves. i think one of the things that shoppers and diners will have noticed is that shelves are empty in certain places, only very randomly, but also menus are constrained and the hours of dining are constrained in hospitality. these are all the result of both shortages and labour shortages. this carbon dioxide issue has come on top of all of that. i think we were close to a really serious problem, really quite a lengthy period of empty shelves. but fortunately, expeditious government action, and we are gratefulfor that, expeditious government action, and we are grateful for that, seems to have avoided that. its we are grateful for that, seems to have avoided that.— we are grateful for that, seems to have avoided that. its not the first time we have _ have avoided that. its not the first time we have had _ have avoided that. its not the first time we have had a _ have avoided that. its not the first time we have had a c02 _ have avoided that. its not the first time we have had a c02 shortage, there was one back in 2018. what needs to change in the longer term to make sure the supply is more secure? ~ ., ' secure? we need to find different sources of c02, _ secure? we need to find different sources of c02, that's _ secure? we need to find different sources of c02, that's one - secure? we need to find different sources of c02, that's one thing. | sources of co2, that's one thing. and it may be that the net zero process through which the process is going will yield some opportunities there. the other thing is we need to find different ways of stunning animals and birds before slaughter, and different ways of packaging. i don't think it's possible to find different ways of putting bubbles into fizzy drinks but we need to find alternative sources of either of c02 find alternative sources of either of co2 or different ways of doing thejob. we will of co2 or different ways of doing the job. we will be addressing that, extremely urgently, i think, having seen the close shave we have just had. seen the close shave we have 'ust had. �* ., . .,, seen the close shave we have 'ust had. �* ., . ., ., had. and how close are we, though, to that happening? _ had. and how close are we, though, to that happening? we _ had. and how close are we, though, to that happening? we had - had. and how close are we, though, to that happening? we had farmers| had. and how close are we, though, i to that happening? we had farmers on the programme two days ago talking about the processes involved in the pig farm they had and how it would be difficult for them to change the processing in a short space of time. these things will take time, won't they? yes, and i think the point is, we have a just—in—time supply chain. everything arrives just at the moment you need it. that is fine as long as there isn't some kind of interruption. and the difficulty is that everything is kind of on the edge. and i think we need to think about this in a different way. i also think we are all going to have to do, all of our businesses will have to make significant investment into the alternatives that might be available. it's a very narrow margin business, people don't a lot of money in food and drink, contrary to what people, customers and consumers might think. it is a very narrow margin business. so finding the space to make the necessary investment is a real struggle. but we will have to help our members and the other businesses in the sector to do that over the next few years. ian wright, chief executive of the food and drink federation, thank you. food and drink federation, thank ou. . ~' food and drink federation, thank ou. . ~ , ., food and drink federation, thank you-_ thank _ food and drink federation, thank you._ thank you! i you. thank you. thank you! the other— you. thank you. thank you! the otherjohn _ you. thank you. thank you! the otherjohn is _ you. thank you. thank you! the otherjohn is here. i you. thank you. thank you! the otherjohn is here. thisj you. thank you. thank you! l the otherjohn is here. this is you. thank you. thank you! i the otherjohn is here. this is ian, this isjohn. i'm excited because the ryder cup starts. i’m this is john. i'm excited because the ryder cup starts.— the ryder cup starts. i'm fully invested- _ the ryder cup starts. i'm fully invested. we _ the ryder cup starts. i'm fully invested. we have _ the ryder cup starts. i'm fully invested. we have lost - the ryder cup starts. i'm fully invested. we have lost him. l the ryder cup starts. i'm fully i invested. we have lost him. you are all in already- _ invested. we have lost him. you are all in already. we _ invested. we have lost him. you are all in already. we have _ invested. we have lost him. you are all in already. we have got - invested. we have lost him. you are all in already. we have got a - invested. we have lost him. you are all in already. we have got a little i all in already. we have got a little bit of a preview ahead of the big tournament to come. i want to show you this, 18 goals across two matches for sarina wiegman, the new head coach of england, have you ever known anyone?— known anyone? they were playing luxembourg _ known anyone? they were playing luxembourg in — known anyone? they were playing luxembourg in fairness! _ known anyone? they were playing luxembourg in fairness! we i known anyone? they were playing luxembourg in fairness! we do i known anyone? they were playing l luxembourg in fairness! we do have known anyone? they were playing - luxembourg in fairness! we do have a caveat there- — luxembourg in fairness! we do have a caveat there. but _ luxembourg in fairness! we do have a caveat there. but some _ luxembourg in fairness! we do have a caveat there. but some journey - luxembourg in fairness! we do have a caveat there. but some journey this . caveat there. but some journey this continues. if it's goals you want you're in the right place. ten for england against luxembourg last night and big wins for scotland, northern ireland and a great win for wales too. jo currie reports. when you're facing a team ranked 114 places beneath you, surely it's a case of not if you'll win but by how many. and it didn't take long for the gulf in quality to show. ellen white had to stretch with the opener. wonderfulfinish. and just five minutes later she got their second to send the lionesses well on their way and move her to within three goals of equalling england's goal scoring record. the visitors added two more before the break. sarina wiegman�*s second game in charge going very much to plan. in the second half, a screamer of an effort from alex greenwood. a centre back scoring a centre forward's goal. her second of the night, the perfect way to mark her 50th cap. her centre back partner millie bright then added two more before this poignant moment from rachel daly, scoring just one week on from the death of her father, the emotion clear to see. there won't be a more popular goal—scorer. england made it ten before the full—time whistle to sign off an emphatic win in luxembourg. the world cup may be two years away but next year northern ireland will play in the euros. their first ever major tournament. meaning this qualifying campaign is about wins and international experience. after a frustrating first half they went on the win comfortably, it ended 4—0 against latvia. rachel furness wrapping up proceedings from the spot. the women's first game at windsor park in nine years ending with new fans made. wales shot out of the blocks away to estonia. in towards harding! it's only taken four minutes. that is where the momentum ended. they found the net again but this effort was ruled offside. the win though and the three points were all that mattered. the goals of the night however belonged to scotland. erin cuthbert launching a rocket to put them ahead at home to the faroe islands while claire emslie matched that with this sensational free—kick to secure a 7—1 win. a great night all round for the home nations. jo currie, bbc news. lots of goals too and a couple of upsets in the third round of the league cup last night. liverpool beating norwich in the all premier league encounter at carrow road. the top flight�*s bottom side were no match for liverpool. takumi minamino put them ahead early on, before divock origi headed home in the second half. minamino then got his second late on to seal their place in the fourth round. everton were knocked out as were watford. you can see the full list of results on the bbc sport website. hungary will play next month's world cup qualifier against albania behind closed doors. it follows the racist behaviour of their fans during the game against england in budapest earlier this month, which also saw objects thrown on the pitch. they have also been fined just under £160,000. england women missed the chance to wrap up their one day series with two games to spare, losing to new zealand. leah tahuhu taking five english wickets, as england made 178 before losing by three wickets. katherine brunt contributing 49 to that total. but tahuhu threw the series wide open hitting the winning six for the visitors. andy murray won his opening match at the moselle open in france. he beat the world number 26 ugo humbert in three sets, the highest ranked player he's defeated this season. the win sets up a second round tie with canada's vasek pospisil. european ryder cup captain padraig harrington has been illustrating just how special playing in the tournament is. just 161! players have represented europe in golf�*s team event, that means more have been into space or climbed everest. he is really getting the team along. come on, rory! 53w} he is really getting the team along. come on. rory!— he is really getting the team along. come on, rory! 570 people have been into sace, come on, rory! 570 people have been into space. i — come on, rory! 570 people have been into space, ithink— come on, rory! 570 people have been into space, i think over _ come on, rory! 570 people have been into space, i think over 5000 - come on, rory! 570 people have been into space, i think over 5000 people | into space, i think over 5000 people have climbed everest, 225 have one immense major. when you break it down like that, it's a small group and its critical it's pretty cool. it illustrates how few people competed i love that you are trying to tell dan it is special. paul mcginley. — to tell dan it is special. paul mcginley. the _ to tell dan it is special. paul mcginley, the captain - to tell dan it is special. paul mcginley, the captain of- to tell dan it is special. i—ii mcginley, the captain of the ryder cup, it is about how he motivates the players, he got alex ferguson in to talk about the bond between the players, he used an illustration of geese and how they fly, they leave each other. they are all information playing together, he told the story and then the next day, just as they are about to tee off, a flock of geese came over the sky. did they book them? _ geese came over the sky. did they book them? just _ geese came over the sky. did they book them? just the _ geese came over the sky. did they book them? just the right - geese came over the sky. did they book them? just the right time! i book them? just the right time! there is a brilliant picture of them pointing at the giza laughing and it was one of those things that —— pointing at the geese and laughing and it was one of those things that got them together as a team. that is what we do before _ got them together as a team. that is what we do before the _ got them together as a team. that is what we do before the programme i what we do before the programme every— what we do before the programme every morning! this summer we were celebrating team gb�*s success in tokyo's olympic swimming pool, but there are warnings that the future of the sport could be under threat. swim england says serious money needs to be invested in updating or replacing old pools or 2,000 of them could be closed by the end of the decade. fiona lamdin�*s in bath this morning. good morning. this is the gorgeous swimming full at the university of bath, but this morning training is a local club. let's talk to some of those who have been up 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do you train? we do it three mornings a week and then l it three mornings a week and then evenings for the rest. haw it three mornings a week and then evenings for the rest. how important is it to have — evenings for the rest. how important is it to have a — evenings for the rest. how important is it to have a pool _ evenings for the rest. how important is it to have a pool like _ evenings for the rest. how important is it to have a pool like this _ evenings for the rest. how important is it to have a pool like this to - is it to have a pool like this to training? is it to have a pool like this to trainina ? �* , is it to have a pool like this to trainina ? v , . is it to have a pool like this to trainina ? �*, , . ., is it to have a pool like this to traininu? fl, . ., , training? it's such an opportunity to have such _ training? it's such an opportunity to have such a _ training? it's such an opportunity to have such a big _ training? it's such an opportunity to have such a big pool— training? it's such an opportunity to have such a big pool with - training? it's such an opportunity to have such a big pool with the l to have such a big pool with the great facilities here, we have such an advantage in training every day. tell us what your dream is, what is your dream? i tell us what your dream is, what is your dream?— tell us what your dream is, what is our dream? ., ., , ., ., your dream? i have always wanted to co your dream? i have always wanted to no to the your dream? i have always wanted to go to the olympics — your dream? i have always wanted to go to the olympics so _ your dream? i have always wanted to go to the olympics so that _ your dream? i have always wanted to go to the olympics so that is - your dream? i have always wanted to go to the olympics so that is my - go to the olympics so that is my ultimate goal. we go to the olympics so that is my ultimate goal.— go to the olympics so that is my ultimate goal. we will let you keep trainina so ultimate goal. we will let you keep training so you _ ultimate goal. we will let you keep training so you can _ ultimate goal. we will let you keep training so you can get _ ultimate goal. we will let you keep training so you can get there. - ultimate goal. we will let you keep| training so you can get there. mark, you have train hit a long time, what time are you up every day? sloth you have train hit a long time, what time are you up every day?- time are you up every day? moth -- for 40 time are you up every day? 44th -- for 40 5am — time are you up every day? 44th -- for 40 5am to _ time are you up every day? 44th -- for 40 5am to get _ time are you up every day? 44th -- for 40 5am to get here _ time are you up every day? 44th -- for 40 5am to get here at _ time are you up every day? 44th -- for 40 5am to get here at 6am. - time are you up every day? 44th -- for 40 5am to get here at 6am. a l for 40 5am to get here at 6am. a huge commitment but you are passionate about it?— huge commitment but you are passionate about it? yes, i have been swimming _ passionate about it? yes, i have been swimming hip _ passionate about it? yes, i have been swimming hip or _ passionate about it? yes, i have been swimming hip or ten - passionate about it? yes, i have| been swimming hip or ten years, passionate about it? yes, i have i been swimming hip or ten years, it isa been swimming hip or ten years, it is a routine — been swimming hip or ten years, it is a routine at the moment. this ool, is a routine at the moment. this pool. -- — is a routine at the moment. this pool. -- i _ is a routine at the moment. this pool. -- i have _ is a routine at the moment. this pool, -- i have been _ is a routine at the moment. ti 3 pool, —— i have been swimming here for ten years. what would happen without this pool? we for ten years. what would happen without this pool?— without this pool? we will be trainina without this pool? we will be training in — without this pool? we will be training in a _ without this pool? we will be training in a much _ without this pool? we will be training in a much smaller. without this pool? we will be i training in a much smaller pool, without this pool? we will be - training in a much smaller pool, not as much— training in a much smaller pool, not as much space, it's really nice here to as much space, it's really nice here tuiust _ as much space, it's really nice here tuiust have — as much space, it's really nice here tojust have the space to as much space, it's really nice here to just have the space to swim as much space, it's really nice here tojust have the space to swim here. you very— tojust have the space to swim here. you very much. swim england are really worried about the future of swimming pools. they say not enough are being built, many are in decline, many were built in the 60s and 70s and they are now crumbling and 70s and they are now crumbling and not enough investment is being put towards them. james guy is here. thank you forjoining us, lovely to see you outside the pool. yes. thank you forjoining us, lovely to see you outside the pool. yes, it's a bit different! _ see you outside the pool. yes, it's a bit different! before _ see you outside the pool. yes, it's a bit different! before we - see you outside the pool. yes, it's a bit different! before we talk- a bit different! before we talk about the summer, _ a bit different! before we talk about the summer, go - a bit different! before we talk about the summer, go back. a bit different! before we talk| about the summer, go back to a bit different! before we talk- about the summer, go back to when you were younger, tell us how you will all started, you were five years old?— will all started, you were five ears old? , .,, , ., years old? yes, i was in red squad with kim and _ years old? yes, i was in red squad with kim and moira _ years old? yes, i was in red squad with kim and moira years - years old? yes, i was in red squad with kim and moira years ago, - years old? yes, i was in red squad| with kim and moira years ago, and most of the guys in my group were nine and ten and they didn't realise how young i was. i didn't have any teeth and they were like, how young are you? i was five or six! 50 teeth and they were like, how young are you? i was five or six!— are you? i was five or six! so your arents are you? i was five or six! so your parents made _ are you? i was five or six! so your parents made a — are you? i was five or six! so your parents made a huge _ are you? i was five or six! so your parents made a huge sacrifice - parents made a huge sacrifice driving you to pools, but if you didn't have those pools, you would not be dealer picked you are now? of course not. —— you would not beat the olympic champion you are now? {lii the olympic champion you are now? of course the olympic champion you are now? oi course not, the olympic champion you are now? iii course not, we used to get up so early in the morning, and i moved to bath when i was 21. without the foundation, i wouldn't be here today. foundation, i wouldn't be here toda . ., ., ., foundation, i wouldn't be here toda. ., ., ., ., today. how worried are you that there is rrot _ today. how worried are you that there is not enough _ today. how worried are you that there is not enough investment| today. how worried are you that l there is not enough investment as swim england say, being put in the future of the swimming pools? it’s future of the swimming pools? it�*s absolutely appalling. we had the greatest enemy games we have ever had and you can see that the results are —— olympic games we have ever had and you can see the results are clear. even peoplejust coming had and you can see the results are clear. even people just coming for our morning swim, being told there is no investment, it is like going on holiday and not having a pool. there will not be pools in the uk to build the foundations for club swimmers to come through and take our positions as olympic swimmers when we retire, it's not very good at all. ~ , ., when we retire, it's not very good atall. ~ . ., ., at all. with your collection of medals, at all. with your collection of medals. people _ at all. with your collection of medals, people now- at all. with your collection of medals, people now are - at all. with your collection of - medals, people now are listening to you? medals, people now are listening to ou? , ., , ., ., ., you? yes, i have been doing it for a lona you? yes, i have been doing it for a long time. — you? yes, i have been doing it for a long time. we _ you? yes, i have been doing it for a long time, we have _ you? yes, i have been doing it for a long time, we have done _ you? yes, i have been doing it for a long time, we have done olympic . long time, we have done olympic games and world championships so we know what we are talking about. switching off is what it is about for me for swimming, most of the people here are club swimmers, people here are club swimmers, people who want to learn to swim with their family, people who want to learn to swim with theirfamily, it's people who want to learn to swim with their family, it's all part of the process, it's a real shame. thank you forjoining us. we are going to leave you with those swimmers, as we learned to the news, travel and weather wherever you are watching this morning. good morning from bbc london, i'm tolu adeoye. time is running out to design and deliver euston station as part of the hs2 high speed rail link. that's accroding to the public accounts committee. the mps says there is uncertainty around the design — and old oak common in north west london — may become the final stop on the line. the department for transport says it hopes to report on the euston station progress this autumn. local community groups in london are warning that thousands of people will be pushed further into poverty if the extra £20 week in universal credit is cut at the end of this month. official figures show just over a million people in london claimed the benefit in august. haringey has the highest rate, with one in ten claiming. the government says it's focus is on getting people into work. the family of a woman from brentford who died from covid19 who died from covid—19 have created a cookbook to try and keep her memory alive. sabeen mansoor died last february after spending seven weeks on a ventilator. she was passionate about cooking — and so her husband and son have put together a book of her favourite recipes as a way of honoring her. the smell is just unbelievable. it brings to mind us running down and seeing if the dish is ready, because when sabeen used to make it, the whole house used to smell so beautiful. unfortunately, now, we can never have food from her hands, but what we're trying to do is to try to keep the whole heritage and whole family thing alive. let's have a look at the travel situation this morning. there are minor delays on the metropolitan line — otherwise it's good service on the tubes this morning. on the roads — the m25 has two lanes closed anticlockwise after the dartford tunnel — there are queues back to junction three for swanley. and for all other travel news tune in to your local bbc radio station. onto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. it is set to be another decent day of weather today across the capital. above average temperatures once more for this time of year. it will stay dry and there will be quite a bit of sunshine around as well. it's been a chilly start to this morning, some of our temperatures rurally have dropped back into single figures. and there is a bit of mist around as well but it's not terribly widespread or extensive. that will lift and clear as we head through the morning. there will be some sunshine emerging, perhaps a little bit more cloud through the afternoon than we saw yesterday but staying dry. top temperatures in the best of the sunshine this afternoon hitting 21 to 23 celsius in a few more favoured spots. a bit more of a noticeable westerly wind blowing too. as we head through this evening and overnight, we've got cloud edging down from the north—west. that will keep the temperatures largely in double figures so lows of around ten or 11 celsius. as we start the day on thursday, there could be a few spits and spots of drizzle. certainly a lot of cloud around through the morning, and then that cloud will clear to leave us with a dry and sunny afternoon. top temperatures around 22 celsius, maybe 23 again by the time we get to friday. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london in half an hour. good morning, welcome to breakfast with sally nugent and dan walker. our headlines today. white house talks between the prime minister and the president — but no trade deal agreed yet. the deal with the uk, that's continued to be discussed. pensions scandal — the catalogue of errors that led to thousands of women being underpaid by £1 billion. harry dunn's family resolve the civil case against the woman alleged to have killed him — but say they'll carry on pursuing criminal charges. we're talking to his mum in the next hour. it is the autumn equinox. while it will feel like it in parts of scotland and northern ireland, in england and wales, sunshine. the forecast here on breakfast. eastenders actor brian conley is not what he seems — he's with us later to reveal his true identity. doof doof! i'll get you proper ones for later. our top story. boris johnson's hopes for securing a comprehensive free trade deal with the us appear to be fading after president biden downplayed the issue after their face—to—face meeting at the white house downing street said there was a very positive atmosphere between the two leaders, but the president also issued a fresh warning to mrjohnson that peace in northern ireland must not be jeopardised as a result of the complications caused by brexit. our political editor laura kuenssberg reports from washington dc. side by side, borisjohnson's visit to the most famous political office in the world finally took place. the president regaling him first with stories of the american railroad. i travel more on amtrak. if i were a conductor, i would be number one on seniority. it was far from just a friendly chat. the two men hailing working together on security, on travel, on climate. but on trade, the us isn't ready to speed towards a deal with the uk. and the us president was clear on his concerns about northern ireland. on the deal with the uk, that's continued to be discussed. but on the protocols, i feel very strongly about those. and i would not at all like to see, nor, i might add, would many of my republican colleagues like to see, a change in the irish courts and the end result having a closed border again. republican colleagues like to see, a change in the irish accords and the end result having a closed border again. for no 10, though, the white house visit was third day lucky on this trip, describing the atmosphere of the talks as very positive, saying the relationship between the new neighbours at the white house and the uk is making great strides forward. this is a very important trip for us in the uk and we have seen some great progress just in the last period. the ban has been lifted on british beef and the people of the united states of america can eat british beef. and we are working on the lamb. finally, after two years, borisjohnson has had his moment in the white house as the uk prime minister. on this muggy washington evening, the atmosphere inside the oval office was warm. the two men agree on many things, particularly their commitment to tackling climate change. but there is a sense, still, this is a relationship in its early days, not yet an established friendship. the prime minister still has one day on this side of the atlantic. the situation he'll face at home could give him more cause for concern. laura kuenssberg, bbc news, at the white house. the commercial production of carbon dioxide for use in the food and drink industry is set to resume after the government reached a deal to cover a manufacturer's operating costs, for a limited time. it comes after a warning that rising gas prices could lead to a shortage of goods on the shelves. our chief political correspondent adam fleming joins us now. it is crisis averted for three weeks at least because the government will give taxpayers' money to the company cf fertiliser for that period so they can reopen one factory, on deeside, so it can make fertiliser again, one of which the by—product is carbon dioxide which is massively neededin is carbon dioxide which is massively needed in all parts of the supply chain, particularly in the food industry. that is three weeks of time the government has bought but i wonder if there will still be pressure on the area because one factory looks like it will still be closed and then there's the question of what happens in three weeks, because no one thinks the price of wholesale gas will decrease in that period. the government said it short—term, time—limited and exceptional and i do not think they are in the mood for doing any long—term bailout. officials in government departments were looking at linkages in the economy to work out if other areas were vulnerable and i wonder if they have identified any other firms that might find themselves in trouble. it looks like more energy firms are on the verge of going bust because of the cost of the gas they are buying to supply us is going up. they are struggling to meet costs, which means more people will have to transfer from their energy provider to a new one, a process that happens automatically. people do not have to do anything but might notice bills going up which could increase pressure on the government and prime minister when he returns from america.— government and prime minister when he returns from america. adam, thank ou. we he returns from america. adam, thank you- we will — he returns from america. adam, thank you. we will speak _ he returns from america. adam, thank you. we will speak to _ he returns from america. adam, thank you. we will speak to the _ you. we will speak to the environment secretary in about 20 minutes about those issues. years of repeated human errors and outdated technology led to an estimated £1 billion worth of state pensions being underpaid to more than 100,000 people. a report by the national audit office into failures at the department for work and pensions found problems mainly affecting women dating back to the 1980s. the department says it's dedicating significant resources to correcting the errors and that it's improved staff training to ensure it doesn't happen again. earlier on breakfast, the former pensions minister steve webb had this advice for those who think they might have been underpaid. they should be traced by dwp, for example, when people are still alive, and they are on the government system. the problem is that where people have died more than four years ago, so in that situation, there is nobody on the computer, the government is not going to phone you up, so if you have still got paper records, bank statements and so on, and you think you might have been underpaid, gather the material and contact the department. it's a challenge because ideally the government would be phoning you but because over four years after someone dies they destroy the records, those records are now gone. the government's taking legal action to try to stop climate change protesters targeting major motorways. it's after several days of disruption on the m25. the group, insulate britain, says it wants to draw attention to the need for better home insulation, but police say protesting on a busy motorway causes a very high risk of injury or death. police have confirmed that a body found in a us national park is that of missing blogger gabby petito. the 22—year—old had been visiting wyoming with her fiance, brian laundrie, who police are currently searching for. he's considered a "person of interest" in the case. the charity commission is investigating a former marine's mission to bring rescue animals from afghanistan to the uk, following the taliban's takeover. the regulator said it was looking into the funding arrangements of operation ark, which was launched by pen farthing and raised more than £200,000 in just a few days. the charity says it acted correctly. the footballer and food campaigner marcus rashford is set to find a new type of stardom — on the school syllabus. some students starting gcse media studies this autumn will learn about how the striker used his high profile to influence the world beyond football. here's our education editor branwen jeffreys. marcus rashford has become an outspoken campaigner on food poverty, raising money for charity, putting pressure on ministers over free school meals, sharing, with bbc breakfast, how he relied on them as a boy. all this led to an honour from the queen for speaking up for vulnerable children. but now, recognition of a different kind as his social campaigning becomes part of gcse media studies. i think lots of people see social media as quite a negative side, and this is how it can be used to really make change and do good. they will study not just his food campaigning, but also how the footballer dealt with racism in sport, weathering abuse after missing his penalty at the euro 2020 final. and the public support when the mural in his home town was defaced. gcse media studies is a barometer of social change. marcus rashford is a role model for many children. so he is replacing zoe sugg. known to millions as zoella, she has gone from teen influencer to appealing more to mums. now you can learn how to use social media in a positive way. you did a lot of work with him. i wonder if bbc breakfast will be on the syllabus. i was surprised to find myself in that piece. your own children could learn about you at school. i do not think that would go down well. before we get the weather from matt, let's see how the sky is looking over london it looks like independence day. isn't that a disaster movie? it does not like that at all! good morning, the autumn equinox, the last sunrise of summer. in england and wales feeling more like summer but scotland and northern ireland, the first hint of something autumnal. wet weather confined to the far north—west of scotland with heavy rain spreading into orkney and shetland and the highlands and that will spread southward smartly this morning so things will brighten up in the north and west in the afternoon. cloudy in southern parts of scotland and northern ireland with rain edging closer later. england and wales should be dry and bright. we should be about 17 but up to 22 quite widely. feeling cooler in the north of scotland. a blustery day with wind gusting up to 40 mph. rain in aberdeen, glasgow, and to northern ireland. most places go into the evening drive. it should be a dry school pick up in england and wales. feeling warm when the sunshine is out. rain pushing southwards overnight but frequent showers, may be thundery at times in the north of scotland. feeling cooler here tomorrow with sunshine at times. further south, mild and warm. it's more than two years since 19—year—old harry dunn died after he was knocked off his motorbike by a car driven by a us citizen. since then, his family have campaigned for the woman behind the wheel — anne sacoolas — to face criminal charges after she fled the country. now they say they've reached a "real milestone" after reaching a civil settlement in the us. we're nowjoined by harry's mum, charlotte charles, and the family's spokesman radd seiger. good morning. charlotte, now this agreement has been reached, does it feel like it is the end of something for you, feel like it is the end of something foryou, or feel like it is the end of something for you, or is it a step in the process? it for you, or is it a step in the process?— for you, or is it a step in the rocess? , ., ., , , process? it is another step in the rocess. process? it is another step in the process- we _ process? it is another step in the process. we are _ process? it is another step in the process. we are relieved - process? it is another step in the process. we are relieved a - process. we are relieved a resolution has been found. we are relieved to have got to this point. it has been a hard slog, the past couple of years, having the civil case and criminal case almost running parallel. it is a big relief that one part of it is done and we can forge ahead and work with the cps and trust the cps to bring the criminal case to a resolution. from our leral criminal case to a resolution. from your legal point — criminal case to a resolution. from your legal point of— criminal case to a resolution. from your legal point of view, _ criminal case to a resolution. from your legal point of view, where - criminal case to a resolution. from your legal point of view, where are your legal point of view, where are you on the process of getting where you on the process of getting where you want to be?— you on the process of getting where you want to be? good morning, we are confident that — you want to be? good morning, we are confident that criminal _ you want to be? good morning, we are confident that criminal case _ you want to be? good morning, we are confident that criminal case is - confident that criminal case is going — confident that criminal case is going to — confident that criminal case is going to be brought soon. boris johnson — going to be brought soon. boris johnson made it clear at the g7 summit— johnson made it clear at the g7 summit in— johnson made it clear at the g7 summit injune in cornwall that the path to— summit injune in cornwall that the path tojustice had been cleared. both— path tojustice had been cleared. both charlotte and i were honoured to meet _ both charlotte and i were honoured to meet the new foreign secretary liz to meet the new foreign secretary liz truss _ to meet the new foreign secretary liz truss yesterday over the phone and she _ liz truss yesterday over the phone and she made it clear there is nothing — and she made it clear there is nothing outstanding in the way of that happening so we are in the hands _ that happening so we are in the hands of— that happening so we are in the hands of the cps waiting to hear how they are _ hands of the cps waiting to hear how they are going to do this but again, i wanted _ they are going to do this but again, i wanted to— they are going to do this but again, i wanted to say thank you to you and your viewers — i wanted to say thank you to you and your viewers for getting us to this point _ your viewers for getting us to this point it— your viewers for getting us to this point it is— your viewers for getting us to this point it is a— your viewers for getting us to this point. it is a remarkable achievement on the part of this family— achievement on the part of this family and i am so proud of them. it family and i am so proud of them. [i has family and i am so proud of them. has been family and i am so proud of them. ii has been fascinating to follow the story and speak to you regularly. charlotte, you have had discussions with government ministers over the time you have tried to find justice. what was it like to speak to liz truss and what did you take from that conversation? i truss and what did you take from that conversation?— that conversation? i took nothing but positivity- — that conversation? i took nothing but positivity. she _ that conversation? i took nothing but positivity. she has _ that conversation? i took nothing but positivity. she has barely - that conversation? i took nothing l but positivity. she has barely been in office a week and she reached out to us. out of the blue. we did not expect it. certainly positive. very grateful to her for raising expect it. certainly positive. very grateful to herfor raising harry with mr blinken again. to know that harry is at the forefront and what would appear to be on top of her agenda is amazing. we can only thank herfor agenda is amazing. we can only thank her for continuing agenda is amazing. we can only thank herfor continuing to agenda is amazing. we can only thank her for continuing to apply pressure to the us government from the uk to make surejustice is to the us government from the uk to make sure justice is done. to the us government from the uk to make surejustice is done. harry deserves that justice and make surejustice is done. harry deserves thatjustice and so do we. that mr blinken is the us secretary of state. just to come back to you, are you concerned about words spoken tjy are you concerned about words spoken by president trump and president biden that there will be no extradition? we biden that there will be no extradition?— biden that there will be no extradition? ~ ., , , , ., ., extradition? we are simply now in a osition extradition? we are simply now in a position where _ extradition? we are simply now in a position where the _ extradition? we are simply now in a position where the path _ extradition? we are simply now in a position where the path to - extradition? we are simply now in a position where the path to justice i position where the path to justice has been — position where the path to justice has been cleared. presumably the united _ has been cleared. presumably the united states government have taken a step— united states government have taken a step back and are satisfied and content — a step back and are satisfied and content to— a step back and are satisfied and content to allow the prosecution to proceed _ content to allow the prosecution to proceed. that has never happened before _ proceed. that has never happened before as — proceed. that has never happened before as far as we are aware. how this prosecution moves forward, i said to _ this prosecution moves forward, i said to the — this prosecution moves forward, i said to the family we will take a step back— said to the family we will take a step back and leave it to the crown prosecution— step back and leave it to the crown prosecution service as to how it happens. — prosecution service as to how it happens, whether she comes back physically— happens, whether she comes back physically or attends a trial remotely from the united states, we do not _ remotely from the united states, we do not know at this stage but it is time _ do not know at this stage but it is time for— do not know at this stage but it is time for this family to let the cps do its _ time for this family to let the cps do its work. it is a cherished institution _ do its work. it is a cherished institution in our democracy. none of us _ institution in our democracy. none of us must — institution in our democracy. none of us must put pressure on them. they— of us must put pressure on them. they have — of us must put pressure on them. they have a — of us must put pressure on them. they have a difficult job ahead, but they made — they have a difficult job ahead, but they made it clear they fully intend to bring _ they made it clear they fully intend to bring this prosecution and we are waiting _ to bring this prosecution and we are waiting to _ to bring this prosecution and we are waiting to hear now how that will happen— waiting to hear now how that will happen but you absolutely ask the ti l ht happen but you absolutely ask the right question. happen but you absolutely ask the right question-— happen but you absolutely ask the right question. charlotte, there are 0 tions as right question. charlotte, there are options as to _ right question. charlotte, there are options as to how _ right question. charlotte, there are options as to how things _ right question. charlotte, there are options as to how things might - right question. charlotte, there are options as to how things might pan| options as to how things might pan out now. are the next steps potentially a virtual trial and how would you feel about that? we are not auoin would you feel about that? we are not going to _ would you feel about that? we are not going to be — would you feel about that? we are not going to be opposed. - would you feel about that? we are not going to be opposed. we - would you feel about that? we are not going to be opposed. we have| would you feel about that? we are i not going to be opposed. we have to trust in the cps and we have to trust in the cps and we have to trust they will do everything they can in their power to make sure they can in their power to make sure they can bring justice for us and to harry. once anne sacoolas is at the starting blocks, what happens after thatis starting blocks, what happens after that is of no concern to us, either. we are just very much looking forward to the day, fingers crossed, that the cps can bring this prosecution in whatever form that may be. we need to try to move forward with our lives at some point soon. it has been extremely tough. we have all reached out for help and without the help i dread to think where we would be. we really need to just concentrate on really working as hard as we possibly can, if the cps need us involved, in any way to try to make sure this next resolution is sought and the sooner the better. we resolution is sought and the sooner the better. ~ ., ., ~ the better. we are talking in ractical the better. we are talking in practical terms _ the better. we are talking in practical terms about - the better. we are talking in practical terms about next i the better. we are talking in - practical terms about next steps and the case. i think we are aware we are talking about your boy harry and what happened to him. i know this is incredibly hard and you are going to maybe take a step back now. what is next for you and how will you manage? i next for you and how will you manage?— next for you and how will you manaie? ~ , ., , manage? i think it is about still continuing _ manage? i think it is about still continuing to _ manage? i think it is about still continuing to do _ manage? i think it is about still continuing to do what _ manage? i think it is about still continuing to do what we - manage? i think it is about still continuing to do what we do i manage? i think it is about still i continuing to do what we do every day which is to find the energy to put one foot in front of the other and find the energy to get out of bed in the morning and find the energy to show the other siblings life can go on, albeit different to what we were used to. but we can do it. we will dig deep and we will carry on. but knowing one of the huge things has been achieved along with the other achievements we have managed to bring along the way, i think i am just going to try to take the time now to absorb the enormity of some of it. when you are on the treadmill of trying to keep going, it is very easy to hide all of those achievements away and not really take stock of everything that has been going on. i am going to try to take time with the family now to reflect on a lot of the things we have been through and start to address some of them, perhaps start to talk about them in a little bit more detail instead of putting them into boxes in my brain. to reopen later. i cannot keep thinking that i can do it later. i have to start at some point. perhaps now i can start to do that. some point. perhaps now! can start to do that. ., ., ,, .., to do that. can i say we appreciate how honest _ to do that. can i say we appreciate how honest and _ to do that. can i say we appreciate how honest and open _ to do that. can i say we appreciate how honest and open you - to do that. can i say we appreciate how honest and open you have - to do that. can i say we appreciate i how honest and open you have been today. these interviews are never easy. we are talking about somebody who you love and miss greatly. we appreciate you coming on. lovely to speak to you again. thank you very much. calls to the national nhs stammering helpline have more than doubled since the start of the pandemic. the michael palin centre for stammering says the increase in referrals is partly due to anxiety around talking on online platforms, which can put people who stutter on the spot. bbc 5 live presenter hayley hassall has a stammer herself, and has been investigating how lockdown has affected sufferers. it's part of the station's word matters campaign — let's take a look. as most of you know, i have a stammer, although i mostly manage to control it now, and i am especially good at controlling it when i do myjob. i have had a stammer my whole life. when i was younger, it was very severe to a point where my parents and speech and language therapist thought that i wouldn't be able to speak. so they would teach me makaton, which is symbols. because they thought i would never develop. i started stammering - when i was probably four years old and i think my mum and dad noticed and they took me to a speech and language professional. _ iand they were informed that a loti of people who stammer at that age won't stammer into adulthood. we're nowjoined by the head of the michael palin centre for stammering, elaine kelman. good morning. you can see that people are feeling more anxious because of the situation we have been living in and if you already have vulnerability and may be a slight stammer, any level of anxiety will make it worse. you slight stammer, any level of anxiety will make it worse.— slight stammer, any level of anxiety will make it worse. you have noticed a chance. will make it worse. you have noticed a change. absolutely. _ will make it worse. you have noticed a change. absolutely. the _ will make it worse. you have noticed a change. absolutely. the first - a change. absolutely. the first thing i should say is not because anxiety causes stammering, that is something that happens because of a neurodevelopmental condition, something in your brain, and anxiety can affect it. what happened with the pandemic and lockdown and all the pandemic and lockdown and all the changes meant lots of people got more anxious and parents particularly got anxious about children who started to stammer, were already stammering and started to stammer more, so they rang us up to stammer more, so they rang us up to talk through their worries. from our to talk through their worries. from your figures. _ to talk through their worries. from your figures, speaking _ to talk through their worries. from your figures, speaking to - to talk through their worries. from your figures, speaking to people, is yourfigures, speaking to people, is it the development of new stammers or a worsening of those who had the condition? fix, or a worsening of those who had the condition? ~ _, , ., ., condition? a combination. some started to stammer _ condition? a combination. some started to stammer for - condition? a combination. some started to stammer for the - condition? a combination. some started to stammer for the first | started to stammer for the first time. possibly for some, they would anyway but the whole thing about being at home as a family and doing lockdown education, it meant parents were becoming aware of it and anxious. the other factor that came into play was that the services normally available for parents, normally available for parents, normally you go to a speech and language therapist, a lot of that stopped because a lot of therapists were redeployed in the nhs to work on a ward or something. a lot of systems that might have been in place were not there. a lot of the children who were already stammering, all the disruption, it was notjust anxiety, we know that children who stammer do well with routine and predictability, most of us do. and they struggled with this new world and the difference that happened. you new world and the difference that ha ened. ., _ new world and the difference that ha ened. ., , ,, new world and the difference that ha--ened. ., ., . new world and the difference that ha- ened. ., y., ., . ., happened. you say you noticed a huge increase in the _ happened. you say you noticed a huge increase in the number— happened. you say you noticed a huge increase in the number calling - happened. you say you noticed a huge increase in the number calling and - increase in the number calling and asking for help. when someone calls, what is the advice? the asking for help. when someone calls, what is the advice?— what is the advice? the first thing we sa to what is the advice? the first thing we say to a _ what is the advice? the first thing we say to a parent _ what is the advice? the first thing we say to a parent is _ what is the advice? the first thing we say to a parent is it _ what is the advice? the first thing we say to a parent is it is - what is the advice? the first thing we say to a parent is it is not - what is the advice? the first thing we say to a parent is it is not your fault. parents are quick to blame themselves and think they have done something wrong. it is never caused by parents and a child stammering war is not because of a parent doing anything wrong, which we need to reassure parents. the other thing is to talk to parents about the things they have noticed supporting their child. if the child does better when they are just having a quiet one—to—one conversation, do more of that if you can. doing things like making sure the child is well rested and talking to the child about what is happening to their speech. parents think do not mention it in case, you know, it draws my child's attention to it and makes it worse. the best thing is to get it in the open and say, you are having trouble, don't worry, you did well, keep going. keep listening and talking to their children and encouraging them to listen and talk. and building up the child's confidence. a lot of people have a knock to their confidence and a confident child who stammers will be just fine. iii confident child who stammers will be 'ust fine. , ., ., ., , just fine. in terms of role models, we will speak— just fine. in terms of role models, we will speak to _ just fine. in terms of role models, we will speak to hayley _ just fine. in terms of role models, we will speak to hayley later. - just fine. in terms of role models, we will speak to hayley later. and i we will speak to hayley later. and also the person people will remember from educating yorkshire. both have suffered in different ways with their stammer and lived with that condition. how much of an impact does it make to have people who are able to confidently talk about what they have done to help themselves and come through the other side? it and come through the other side? ii makes a huge difference. part of therapy is to bring in role models. children who stammer often think because i have this going on with my speech i will not be able to do this and this and parents think the same, oh, he will never get a job teaching, as a lawyer. when we bring in these role models, they are showing we are just as successful and have the same number of options. it is inspiring and can broaden a child's horizons. a chap came in and said he was a pilot and one of the boys was blown away by the thought, thatis boys was blown away by the thought, that is something i have wanted to do and i did not think i would be able to do it.— able to do it. interesting, providing _ able to do it. interesting, providing inspiration - able to do it. interesting, providing inspiration and | able to do it. interesting, _ providing inspiration and motivation helps. lovely to talk to you. and we will be talking about this later in the programme. still to come on breakfast. you are in the gutter. uncle tom. rocky, whoever you are this week. we will be speaking to brian conley. i do not want to ruin it if you have not seen it but it is interesting and there is a big change and it will go wobbly barber. now the news where you are. good morning from bbc london, i'm tolu adeoye. the government is taking legal action against climate change protestors to try and stop them causing disruption on the m25. the group insulate britain has blocked the motorway on several occasions in the past week. seeking an injunction against them, the government says it will not stand by while the protests disrupt people's lives. a man's died after being stabbed in east london. police were called to the isle of dogs at around 8.30 yesterday night following reports of a group of men fighting. they say enquiries are ongoing. local community groups in london are warning that thousands of people will be pushed further into poverty if the extra £20 a week in universal credit is cut at the end of this month. official figures show just over a million people in london claimed the benefit in august. haringey has the highest rate, with one in ten claiming. the government says it's focus is on getting people into work. the family of a woman from brentford who died from covid—19 have created a cookbook to try and keep her memory alive. sabeen mansoor died last february after spending seven weeks on a ventilator. she was passionate about cooking and so her husband and son have put together a book of her favourite recipes as a way of honoring her. the smell is just unbelievable. it brings to mind us running down and seeing if the dish is ready, because when sabeen used to make it, the whole house used to smell so beautiful. unfortunately, now, we can never have food from her hands, but what we're trying to do is to try to keep the whole heritage and whole family thing alive. let's have a look at the travel situation this morning. there are minor delays on the metropolitan line. on the roads the m25 has two lanes closed anticlockwise after the dartford tunnel, queues back tojunction three for swanley. onto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. it is set to be another decent day of weather today across the capital. above average temperatures once more for this time of year. it will stay dry and there will be quite a bit of sunshine around as well. it's been a chilly start to this morning, some of our temperatures rurally have dropped back into single figures. and there is a bit of mist around as well but it's not terribly widespread or extensive. that will lift and clear as we head through the morning. there will be some sunshine emerging, perhaps a little bit more cloud through the afternoon than we saw yesterday but staying dry. top temperatures in the best of the sunshine this afternoon hitting 21 to 23 celsius in a few more favoured spots. a bit more of a noticeable westerly wind blowing too. as we head through this evening and overnight, we've got cloud edging down from the north—west. that will keep the temperatures largely in double figures so lows of around ten or 11 celsius. as we start the day on thursday, there could be a few spits and spots of drizzle. certainly a lot of cloud around through the morning, and then that cloud will clear to leave us with a dry and sunny afternoon. top temperatures around 22 celsius, maybe 23 again by the time we get to friday. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london in an hour. now though it's back to dan and sally. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with dan walker and sally nugent. one of the uk's leading carbon dioxide manufacturers is set to restart production, after ministers agreed to cover its operating costs for a limited period. it's hoped the plans will help avert a shortage of food, drinks and medicines which rely on co2. the environment secretary george eustice joins us now. good morning, thank you for being with us. can we start with the deal, what can you tell us, what sort of incentives have been given to cf industries to restart their production of co2? industries to restart their production of c02? government la ers production of c02? government lawyers are _ production of c02? government lawyers are still— production of c02? government lawyers are still finalising - production of c02? government lawyers are still finalising the i lawyers are still finalising the details so i will not go into the details so i will not go into the details but essentially we are underwriting some of their operating costs for a time limited period, the next three weeks maximum, to restart production and ensure there is not a gap in the dust —— supply of carbon dioxide which is critical to the supply of particularly paltry and the pig sector and other parts of the pig sector and other parts of the food supply chain. —— particularly paltry. lots of turbulence has been in global supply chains globally, which has meant that it has not been economic for the production of co2 in these plants so they have suspended it. and other than that, other plants are closed for maintenance at the moment so it has been a perfect storm, a set of exceptional events, so that is why this short—term intervention is justified so that is why this short—term intervention isjustified in this case. if. intervention is 'ustified in this case. , ., intervention is 'ustified in this case, , ., ., intervention is 'ustified in this case. , ., ., ., itis case. is it a loan or a gift? it is not alone. _ case. is it a loan or a gift? it is not alone. it — case. is it a loan or a gift? it is not alone, it is _ case. is it a loan or a gift? it is not alone, it is a payment - case. is it a loan or a gift? it is not alone, it is a payment to l not alone, it is a payment to underwrite some fixed costs, just to which the difference to make sure that they can operate the plant —— plant on a break even basis until the market adjusts. the reality is, carbon dioxide prices are going to rise quite sharply, severalfold increase, the food industry recognises that they will need to pay more for that carbon dioxide. unless we were going to take action this week, we would have had supply chain issues 43 in particular by the beginning of next week and no government can —— supply chain issues for poultry in particular and no government can allow that to happen. 50 no government can allow that to ha en. ., i, no government can allow that to ha--en. ., ., ., no government can allow that to ha--en. . . ., happen. so have you avoided those su -l happen. so have you avoided those supply chain _ happen. so have you avoided those supply chain issues _ happen. so have you avoided those supply chain issues now? _ happen. so have you avoided those supply chain issues now? we - happen. so have you avoided those l supply chain issues now? we believe we have. supply chain issues now? we believe we have- so — supply chain issues now? we believe we have. so there _ supply chain issues now? we believe we have. so there will— supply chain issues now? we believe we have. so there will be _ supply chain issues now? we believe we have. so there will be no - we have. so there will be no shortages — we have. so there will be no shortages of _ we have. so there will be no shortages of food _ we have. so there will be no shortages of food on - we have. so there will be no shortages of food on the - we have. so there will be no - shortages of food on the shelves? no, we have acted expeditiously in an urgent way to do what was necessary to make sure we have the carbon dioxide necessary to keep the food supply moving. there are a lot of stresses on the supply chain at the moment, labour shortages, issues the moment, labourshortages, issues with logistics because of a lack of lorry drivers, problems in the shipping industry, surges in demand around the world as a whole world comes out of the pandemic so lots of turbulence in the global supply chain generally. that's why small things like this in ordinary circumstances, people might be able to accommodate, but they are something we need to watch more carefully than we normally would. what happens after three weeks quite 7 that what happens after three weeks quite ? that wouldn't drink industry says this is great for three —— the food and drink federation head said this morning it is great after three weeks but what happens after that? i met him yesterday and the all understand that the price of carbon dioxide is going to need to increase and when that price increases, it will be economic for this factory to keep producing. links to this also are that there are other plants closed for maintenance, there is one in norway which is going to come back on stream in a few weeks so we will start to get back to a properly functioning market will combine accide again. {i functioning market will combine accide again-— accide again. cf industries -- ro erl accide again. cf industries -- properly functioning - accide again. cf industries -- properly functioning market l accide again. cf industries -- l properly functioning market for carbon dioxide again. cf industries have two plants, do you understand that both will be reopening? yes. that both will be reopening? yes, the final detail _ that both will be reopening? yes, the final detail of _ that both will be reopening? yes, the final detail of the _ that both will be reopening? is: the final detail of the agreement, though, the cost being underwritten and what is required in response for that government undertaking that was being worked on late last night, but we think if we can get both of these plants up and running, it will ensure there are no gaps in the supply of carbon dioxide. you have set a -- said _ supply of carbon dioxide. you have set a -- said a _ supply of carbon dioxide. you have set a -- said a couple _ supply of carbon dioxide. you have set a -- said a couple of— supply of carbon dioxide. you have set a -- said a couple of times - set a —— said a couple of times about the market adjusting, does that mean that the price goes up and customers will pay more for their food? i customers will pay more for their food? ~' ,., . customers will pay more for their food? ~' . ., ., ., food? i think the impact on food rices food? i think the impact on food prices will _ food? i think the impact on food prices will be — food? i think the impact on food prices will be negligible. - food? i think the impact on food prices will be negligible. there i food? i think the impact on food i prices will be negligible. there are other pressures on food prices, noticeably at the commodity and oil prices. noticeably at the commodity and oil rices. ., , ., ., _ prices. so, who is going to pay... how can you _ prices. so, who is going to pay... how can you say. _ prices. so, who is going to pay... how can you say, if _ prices. so, who is going to pay... how can you say, if the _ prices. so, who is going to pay... how can you say, if the price - prices. so, who is going to pay... | how can you say, if the price goes up how can you say, if the price goes up and those who are producing have to pay more and then supermarkets, their costs go up, surely that will be passed on to customers. the reason i say _ be passed on to customers. the reason i say it — be passed on to customers. the reason i say it will _ be passed on to customers. tue: reason i say it will be modest be passed on to customers. "tue: reason i say it will be modest is that carbon dioxide is a critical ingredient for some sectors of the food industry but it is a very small part of the overall costs. although the price of carbon dioxide might go up the price of carbon dioxide might go up severalfold to ensure that the production can continue, it's a very small part of their costs. costs like labour, rent, logistics, fuel for the lorries to run, that is all the more significant. you are talking about a significant rise in cost of carbon dioxide but that is a tiny proportion of the overall cost of the average shopping basket. can ou of the average shopping basket. can you guarantee that this will be sorted in three weeks and we will not be having this chat again in a couple of mondays time? hate not be having this chat again in a couple of mondays time? we had a meetin: couple of mondays time? we had a meeting yesterday _ couple of mondays time? we had a meeting yesterday with _ couple of mondays time? we had a meeting yesterday with the - couple of mondays time? we had a | meeting yesterday with the industry and we are clear that the government is intervening now to deal with a short—term problem to make sure there is not a gap in supply which would then have severe consequences for our food supply chain. but we are only here for a limited period of time it is ultimately for the markets to adjust. in sectors like carbon dioxide, the market does not always function as well as it should, and you get these issues, the capital that goes into a chemical plant to manufacture carbon dioxide and fertiliser is huge so it tends to be an industry dominated by a relatively small number of big players so there is less resilience than you would have in a sector where you would have thousands of producers. share where you would have thousands of roducers. �* , ., ., where you would have thousands of roducers. �* i. ., ., producers. are you worried about this as part _ producers. are you worried about this as part of— producers. are you worried about this as part of a _ producers. are you worried about this as part of a greater - producers. are you worried about this as part of a greater impact i producers. are you worried about| this as part of a greater impact on many people who are watching this this morning? we have got weeks until the uplift in universal credit ends, energy prices are going up, i know you say that it will be a modest rise but the food and drink federation says price will go up, we have a national insurance hike coming in, what do you say to the people facing incredible financial pressure in the midst of this crisis, and the money is just going to run out? crisis, and the money is 'ust going to oun— to run out? what's also happening durin: this to run out? what's also happening during this crisis _ to run out? what's also happening during this crisis is _ to run out? what's also happening during this crisis is that _ to run out? what's also happening during this crisis is that wages - to run out? what's also happening during this crisis is that wages are | during this crisis is that wages are going up. one of the issues we have at the moment is that there is a tighter labour market... can at the moment is that there is a tighter labour market. . .- tighter labour market... can i interrupt _ tighter labour market... can i interrupt you. _ tighter labour market... can i interrupt you, i _ tighter labour market... can i interrupt you, i had _ tighter labour market... can i interrupt you, i had the - tighter labour market... can i i interrupt you, i had the prime ministers say that yesterday as well, and the accusation that has been thrown back at him and at you when you say that is that you are out of touch with what people actually feeling. people have contacted us yesterday whose messages we read out on the programme, and they say they are having to make a decision as to whether they put food on the table or they turn their central heating on. how do you respond to that and the accusation that in saying that wages are going up and you will be fine, that is out of touch with the way people actually feeling in the lives they are actually living in this crisis? hate lives they are actually living in this crisis?— this crisis? we do realise that there are _ this crisis? we do realise that there are people _ this crisis? we do realise that there are people in _ this crisis? we do realise that there are people in financiallyi there are people in financially vulnerable situations which is why we have various interventions to help people with their energy costs, the energy price caps for instance, 15 million people benefit from that. other additional warm homes allowances that will give additional money to those in greatest need, £150 per year. we have interventions on food, to support people who are in, finding it difficult to afford food. we have lots of those interventions but it is also the case that average wages are rising and in particular wages for those people in sectors who traditionally have been on minimum wage, or the national living wage or close to it, also seeing that wages rise faster than they have before and that is going to help them get through some of these extra cost pressures on the household income. fin of these extra cost pressures on the household income.— household income. on the international _ household income. on the international scene, - household income. on the international scene, we i household income. on the i international scene, we know our prime minister is meeting with president biden, we hoped there would be a new trade deal, what does it say about our place in the global game at the moment that it looks like we will be joining a current trade deal with canada and mexico are not getting the trade deal that the prime minister hoped for? me the prime minister hoped for? we still the prime minister hoped for? e still want to do a bilateral trade deal with the united states butjoe biden was always clear during his election campaign and since that trade deals were not a particular priority or focus trade deals were not a particular priority orfocus for trade deals were not a particular priority or focus for his administration in the early years so there is nothing particular new in that. we also made great progress getting trade agreements with the rest of the world, with japan, an agreement in principle with australia and the details are being pinned down this week. and we have got trade agreements with 60 other countries around the world and even with the us, even though we don't have a comprehensive trade agreement on tariffs at the moment, we have made some important breakthroughs on things like british beef, we have accesses for the first time in decades, and resolving the tariff dispute on scotch whisky. fight! decades, and resolving the tariff dispute on scotch whisky. and what about the idea _ dispute on scotch whisky. and what about the idea that _ dispute on scotch whisky. and what about the idea that the _ dispute on scotch whisky. and what about the idea that the trade i dispute on scotch whisky. and what about the idea that the trade deal l about the idea that the trade deal that the prime minister is hoping for is an indication that great britain are at the back of the key when it comes to the sort of thing? i don't think so, we are also joining the transpacific trade partnership in the pacific area, that's something we are in discussions aboutjoining. we have bilateral agreements with 60 countries. it's the choice of the united states that for the biden administration, trade deals are not administration, trade deals are not a priority at the moment. and the important thing with any trade agreement is to get the detail of it right, not necessarily to put any timescale on it or be in a particular rush. we would like to be in a trade deal with the united states and we would like to progress those discussions but if it is not a priority for the biden administration, that a position we understand. administration, that a position we understand-— administration, that a position we understand. appreciate your time, geora e understand. appreciate your time, george eustice, _ understand. appreciate your time, george eustice, thank _ understand. appreciate your time, george eustice, thank you - understand. appreciate your time, george eustice, thank you for i george eustice, thank you for talking to us. matt has the weather for us today. good morning. a sunny start to the autumn equinox today, a beautiful sunrise on the north—east coast of england. whilst we are heading into autumn, certainly astronomically speaking, the weather still feels like summer. this is the longest instrumental temperature series in the world, stretching back to 1659, it is over three degrees above normal, if it keeps that way, it will be the warmest september on record. it has been an unbelievably warm month so far. for some it is starting to feel like autumn, rein in the north west of scotland, heavy rain through the highlands and islands. that will head south, turning lighter through the day as it heads into central scotland, north and west northern ireland in the afternoon. sky is brightening in the afternoon. sky is brightening in the north of scotland. england and wales, whilst there is cloud, the rest of the sunshine will be central and eastern areas. with the wind is light, it will feel warm. we could have gusts up to 30 to 40 mph in some areas, though, in northern scotland. wednesday evening and overnight, scales and severe gales developing in northern scotland. rain getting into the southern highlands but much of the rest of the country will see thicker cloud, patchy rain and drizzle working self, keeping temperatures higher than last night. there windy spell is from this area of low pressure which is pushing towards norway, easing away but allowing a slight incursion of colder air to the north. with some sunshine, it is going to feel chilly at times. the strength of the wind is easing through the day. further rain and drizzle at times, the cloud breaking up drizzle at times, the cloud breaking up in northern ireland, england and wales, a bit more cloud in the south—west with patchy drizzle first thing. but another dry day for many, sunny spells, temperatures no higher than 23. the winds are turning southerly into the weekend so we will maintain the warmer feel. on friday, more rain in the north and west. cloud in western areas throughout friday but central and eastern areas will have a dry and sunny day once again, even further north, aberdeen is 22 degrees, certainly possible. into the next few days, things will stay warm but it is the autumn equinox today. the keen eyed amongst you may notice that we are not quite at equal day and night yet due to the curvature of the earth, the embassy effect as well, it won't be until later —— the atmosphere effect as well, it will not be until later in the week when the night duration will overtake the day and that is the equinox. it is autumnal out there. but it is uuite it is autumnal out there. but it is quite warm. _ it is autumnal out there. but it is quite warm. i _ it is autumnal out there. but it is quite warm, i wore _ it is autumnal out there. but it is quite warm, i wore an _ quite warm, i wore an inappropriately large coat. the sun is shinina inappropriately large coat. the sun is shining everywhere _ inappropriately large coat. the sun is shining everywhere in _ inappropriately large coat. the sun is shining everywhere in england. i inappropriately large coat. the sun l is shining everywhere in england. 18 in the opening two matches for the new head coach, sabino rickman. they were facing lower opposition —— sarina wiegman. all four home nations won last night and you don't say that very often. ten for england against luxembourg last night and big wins for scotland, northern ireland and a great win for wales too. jo currie reports. when you're facing a team ranked 114 places beneath you, surely it's a case of not if you'll win but by how many. and it didn't take long for the gulf in quality to show. ellen white had to stretch with the opener. wonderfulfinish. and just five minutes later she got their second to send the lionesses well on their way and move her to within three goals of equalling england's goal scoring record. the visitors added two more before the break. sarina wiegman's second game in charge going very much to plan. in the second half, a screamer of an effort from alex greenwood. a centre back scoring a centre forward's goal. her second of the night, the perfect way to mark her 50th cap. her centre back partner millie bright then added two more before this poignant moment from rachel daly, scoring just one week on from the death of her father, the emotion clear to see. there won't be a more popular goal—scorer. england made it ten before the full—time whistle to sign off an emphatic win in luxembourg. the world cup may be two years away but next year northern ireland will play in the euros. their first ever major tournament. meaning this qualifying campaign is about wins and international experience. after a frustrating first half they went on to win comfortably, it ended 4—0 against latvia. rachel furness wrapping up proceedings from the spot. the women's first game at windsor park in nine years ending with new fans made. wales shot out of the blocks away to estonia. in towards harding! it's only taken four minutes. but that is where the momentum ended. they found the net again but this effort was ruled offside. the win though and the three points were all that mattered. the goals of the night however belonged to scotland. erin cuthbert launching a rocket to put them ahead at home to the faroe islands while claire emslie matched that with this sensational free—kick to secure a 7—1win. a great night all round for the home nations. jo currie, bbc news. lots of goals too and a couple of upsets in the third round of the league cup last night. liverpool beating norwich in the all premier league encounter at carrow road. the top flight�*s bottom side were no match for liverpool. takumi minamino put them ahead early on, before divock origi headed home in the second half. minamino then got his second late on to seal their place in the fourth round. everton were knocked out as were watford. you can see the full list of results on the bbc sport website. hungary will play next month's world cup qualifier against albania behind closed doors. it follows the racist behaviour of their fans against england in budapest earlier this month, which also saw objects thrown on the pitch. england women missed the chance to wrap up their one day series with two games to spare, losing to new zealand. leah tahuhu taking five english wickets, as england made 178 before losing by three wickets. katherine brunt contributing 49 to that total. but tahuhu threw the series wide open hitting the winning six for the visitors. signs again that andy murray is certainly not giving up yet, winning his opening match at the moselle open in france. he beat the world number 26 ugo humbert in three sets, the highest ranked player he's defeated this season to set up a second round tie with canada's vasek pospisil. european ryder cup captain padraig harrington has been illustarting just how special playing in the tournament is. just 164 players have represented europe in golf�*s team event. that means more have been into space or climbed everest. and rory mcilroy�*s ready to scale new heights in wisconcin. he played a video for us last night to put it into context. 570 people have been into space, i think over 5000 people have climbed everest, 225 have won a men's major. so when you sort of break it down like that, it's a pretty small group and it's pretty cool. he is ready, i'm sure the rest of the team. i wonder if he has adopted this warm up? how about somejuggling from oleksander usyk as he prepares for his world heavyweight showdown with anthonyjoshua this saturday. behind the back! what a touch! i su ose behind the back! what a touch! i suppose hand — behind the back! what a touch! i suppose hand eye _ behind the back! what a touch! i suppose hand eye coordination, | behind the back! what a touch! i | suppose hand eye coordination, a behind the back! what a touch! i i suppose hand eye coordination, a bit of focus. and boxers like to put on a show. he will be ringing at the unicycle as well i imagine on saturday night.— saturday night. that says confidence, _ saturday night. that says confidence, he _ saturday night. that says confidence, he is - saturday night. that says confidence, he is owning | saturday night. that says i confidence, he is owning the saturday night. that says - confidence, he is owning the ring. did he catch that one? you did! like ou need did he catch that one? you did! like you need to — did he catch that one? you did! i is owning the ring. i might try a bit of pre-dance _ is owning the ring. i might try a bit of pre-dance juggling. i bit of pre—dance juggling. incorporate it into your routine. no, no! ., ., ., no, no! the potential of thing that could no no, no! the potential of thing that could go horribly _ no, no! the potential of thing that could go horribly wrong _ no, no! the potential of thing that could go horribly wrong at - no, no! the potential of thing that could go horribly wrong at that i could go horribly wrong at that point — could go horribly wrong at that oint. ., .. could go horribly wrong at that oint. ., ,, ., , :, point. talking of things going horribly wrong! _ all is not as it seems in eastenders this week. a major plot twist in last night's episode revealed that sonia's dad "rocky" is, in true walford fashion, not her dad at all. he is, in fact, a fraudster and he's after sonia's money. we'll speak to brian conley, the actor who plays him, shortly. but first, let's take a look at the moment it all started to unravel. you've been arrested for criminal damage. this wasn't what you think it was. this is a mistake. have you got anything else on you that could harm you or anybody else? apart from my razor—sharp wit. no. no, i haven't. once you've been processed you will be searched, so it's better to tell us now. apart from my keys, i had my keys in my hand, i tripped, that's all that happened, it wasn't deliberate. name? ah, funny story actually, rocky. name, and don't bother with mickey mouse, he's already in cell three. tom. thomas cotton. eastenders doof-doofs. laughter i love it. many eastenders fans already had their suspicions about rocky. brian conleyjoins us now, live from walford. i don't know what to call you! brian, rocky! you are a fraud! tom, ter , brian, rocky! you are a fraud! tom, terry. there — brian, rocky! you are a fraud! tom, terry. there is— brian, rocky! you are a fraud! tom, terry, there is quite _ brian, rocky! you are a fraud! tom, terry, there is quite a _ brian, rocky! you are a fraud! tom, terry, there is quite a selection. - brian, rocky! you are a fraud! tom, terry, there is quite a selection. i i terry, there is quite a selection. i would _ terry, there is quite a selection. i would firstly like to say, welcome to woolford, e—20, i have been waiting — to woolford, e—20, i have been waiting for— to woolford, e—20, i have been waiting for a train here for four hours. — waiting for a train here for four hours. and _ waiting for a train here for four hours, and not one train has turned up. hours, and not one train has turned up -- _ hours, and not one train has turned up. —— welcome to walford, e20. for up. -- welcome to walford, e20. for --eole up. —— welcome to walford, e20. people who up. —— welcome to walford, e20. igfr' people who have not been following the plot, can you summarise what is going on? the plot, can you summarise what is auoin on? ~ ., ,.,,._ going on? well, for probably the last six months, _ going on? well, for probably the last six months, since _ going on? well, for probably the last six months, since i - going on? well, for probably the last six months, since i have - last six months, since i have joined. — last six months, since i have joined. i_ last six months, since i have joined, i have boys been sonia's dad, _ joined, i have boys been sonia's dad. terry. _ joined, i have boys been sonia's dad, terry, and last night i was arrested — dad, terry, and last night i was arrested for keying a car. and of course _ arrested for keying a car. and of course being arrested, i had to give them _ course being arrested, i had to give them my— course being arrested, i had to give them my real name, and yes, i am thomas_ them my real name, and yes, i am thomas cotton, related to nick hutton. — thomas cotton, related to nick hutton, and i am not sonia's dad. —— iam— hutton, and i am not sonia's dad. —— lam related — hutton, and i am not sonia's dad. —— lam related to — hutton, and i am not sonia's dad. —— i am related to nick hutton. i have been _ i am related to nick hutton. i have been there — i am related to nick hutton. i have been there to do a huge scam, and honefutty_ been there to do a huge scam, and hopefully get her house, which is of course _ hopefully get her house, which is of course worth millions of pounds. if it all goes— course worth millions of pounds. if it all goes to plan, then i shall -et it all goes to plan, then i shall get all— it all goes to plan, then i shall get all this money and do a runner! so it's— get all this money and do a runner! so it's been— get all this money and do a runner! so it's been fun, i have been very cheeky, _ so it's been fun, i have been very cheeky, cockney rocky, and to reveal to everyone. — cheeky, cockney rocky, and to reveal to everyone, i was trending on the internet. _ to everyone, i was trending on the internet, ladies and gentlemen! people — internet, ladies and gentlemen! people were going, i can't believe it! people were going, ican't believe it! for— people were going, i can't believe it! for nre. — people were going, i can't believe it! for me, it has been a secret which _ it! for me, it has been a secret which has — it! for me, it has been a secret which has been going ever since i started _ which has been going ever since i started the show. and to now finally tell everyone, this is me, and the reason _ tell everyone, this is me, and the reason i _ tell everyone, this is me, and the reason i am — tell everyone, this is me, and the reason i am cold rocky is a nickname is because _ reason i am cold rocky is a nickname is because it — reason i am cold rocky is a nickname is because it keeps the continuity there _ is because it keeps the continuity there. otherwise they would call me terry— there. otherwise they would call me terry or— there. otherwise they would call me terry or tom. i have always been rocky, _ terry or tom. i have always been rocky, it — terry or tom. i have always been rocky, it has _ terry or tom. i have always been rocky, it has never been my real name' _ rocky, it has never been my real nanre. terry _ rocky, it has never been my real name. terry-_ rocky, it has never been my real name, terry. rocky, it has never been my real name, ter . . ., , name, terry. the new drama vigil is on on sunday _ name, terry. the new drama vigil is on on sunday night, _ name, terry. the new drama vigil is on on sunday night, we _ name, terry. the new drama vigil is on on sunday night, we were - name, terry. the new drama vigil is l on on sunday night, we were speaking to one of the actors, he turned out to one of the actors, he turned out to be one of the baddies, but no one else on the cast knew about it. how many of the cast knew about what was happening to you?— many of the cast knew about what was happening to you? some of them, they don't like to tell _ happening to you? some of them, they don't like to tell too _ happening to you? some of them, they don't like to tell too many _ happening to you? some of them, they don't like to tell too many people, - don't like to tell too many people, but when — don't like to tell too many people, but when i — don't like to tell too many people, but when i was in the scene that you 'ust but when i was in the scene that you just saw— but when i was in the scene that you just saw in— but when i was in the scene that you just saw in the police station, and i just saw in the police station, and i set _ just saw in the police station, and i set nry— just saw in the police station, and i set my real name, there was a sharp— i set my real name, there was a sharp intake of breath from the crew because _ sharp intake of breath from the crew because none of them knew. people were saying, is that the doof—doof nronrent_ were saying, is that the doof—doof moment this week? i think the show is really— moment this week? i think the show is really ramping up a gear because it is leading — is really ramping up a gear because it is leading up to christmas, so nrany_ it is leading up to christmas, so many stories are coming to a head. my family— many stories are coming to a head. my family are loving it as i am, watching — my family are loving it as i am, watching the shows. and it's lovely to have _ watching the shows. and it's lovely to have that wonderful twist. we have _ to have that wonderful twist. we have kept— to have that wonderful twist. we have kept it quiet, we kept it quiet from _ have kept it quiet, we kept it quiet from the _ have kept it quiet, we kept it quiet from the press, it didn't go into any of— from the press, it didn't go into any of the — from the press, it didn't go into any of the magazines. and to have that wonderful response last night online, _ that wonderful response last night online, and everyone sort of shocked, _ online, and everyone sort of shocked, was one of the reasons i came _ shocked, was one of the reasons i came into — shocked, was one of the reasons i came into the show. it's important to keep _ came into the show. it's important to keep the — came into the show. it's important to keep the public on their toes. what's _ to keep the public on their toes. what's happening? and not tell them everything. you what's happening? and not tell them eve hina. ,, ,, �* everything. you are right, it didn't leak out which _ everything. you are right, it didn't leak out which is _ everything. you are right, it didn't leak out which is incredible. - everything. you are right, it didn't leak out which is incredible. we i leak out which is incredible. we haven't seen any bits of the story in papers or magazines. have there been moments in the last few months where there has been a tiny hint that you were not who you are pretending to be? have you dropped in a few moments? yes. pretending to be? have you dropped in a few moments?— in a few moments? yes, there is. there have _ in a few moments? yes, there is. there have been _ in a few moments? yes, there is. there have been lots _ in a few moments? yes, there is. there have been lots of _ in a few moments? yes, there is. there have been lots of little - in a few moments? yes, there is. l there have been lots of little nods. dottie. _ there have been lots of little nods. dottie, who i am in cahoots with, she was— dottie, who i am in cahoots with, she was in— dottie, who i am in cahoots with, she was in the very first scene with me when— she was in the very first scene with me when i— she was in the very first scene with me when i explained why my name was rocky, _ me when i explained why my name was rocky, she _ me when i explained why my name was rocky, she was in the background in the cluh _ rocky, she was in the background in the cluh i_ rocky, she was in the background in the club. i split up from cathy and people _ the club. i split up from cathy and people were saying, may be his character — people were saying, may be his character was married. it's because i'm character was married. it's because in in— character was married. it's because in in this — character was married. it's because i'm in this corner and i don't want to hurt— i'm in this corner and i don't want to hurt her~ — i'm in this corner and i don't want to hurt her~ -- _ i'm in this corner and i don't want to hurt her. —— i am i'm in this corner and i don't want to hurt her. —— lam in i'm in this corner and i don't want to hurt her. —— i am in this scam and— to hurt her. —— i am in this scam and i_ to hurt her. —— i am in this scam and i don't— to hurt her. —— i am in this scam and i don't want to hurt her. and also, _ and i don't want to hurt her. and also, we — and i don't want to hurt her. and also, i've helped everybody. everybody in the show at the some point _ everybody in the show at the some point over— everybody in the show at the some point over the last six months i have _ point over the last six months i have helped. so once everyone knows that this _ have helped. so once everyone knows that this has _ have helped. so once everyone knows that this has all been a con, the proverbial— that this has all been a con, the proverbial is going to hit the fan. having _ proverbial is going to hit the fan. having heard you say that, we have got an exclusive eastenders preview, a little slice of the show tomorrow. we will come back to you. you've got to treat these things delicately. you've had months of delicate. that's how you get people to trust you. you should try it. she's there right now, _ already looking at your brochure. well, maybe we should target other people, to invest. |that trumpet blowing, pensioner| rubbing nurse has got my money. |that trumpet blowing, pensioner| robbing nurse has got my money. phil mitchell? he's got a few bob. the panesar woman? we agreed... — people who deserve to be ripped off. the way sonia's treated me? you haven't exactly been mother teresa, have you? you ain't backing out now. look, i'm just saying, she is a reasonable woman. surely she will hand over the money eventually. you were in the gutter, uncle tom. oh, rocky, sorry, whoever you are this week. - and i saved you, me, - and i brought you here, ok? and it wasn't to play conkers. you're not her dad. you have a very cruel tongue at times. brian, i get the feeling you quite like playing a baddie. it brian, i get the feeling you quite like playing a baddie.— brian, i get the feeling you quite like playing a baddie. it gives you de th. like playing a baddie. it gives you depth- you _ like playing a baddie. it gives you depth. you have _ like playing a baddie. it gives you depth. you have got _ like playing a baddie. it gives you depth. you have got a _ like playing a baddie. it gives you depth. you have got a bit - like playing a baddie. it gives you depth. you have got a bit of - like playing a baddie. it gives you depth. you have got a bit of light| depth. you have got a bit of light and shade — depth. you have got a bit of light and shade there. i think anyone who is charming — and shade there. i think anyone who is charming and funny that then turns— is charming and funny that then turns and — is charming and funny that then turns and becomes villainous, i think— turns and becomes villainous, i think it — turns and becomes villainous, i think it is — turns and becomes villainous, i think it is even more of a shock. because — think it is even more of a shock. because you are playing on both levels _ because you are playing on both levels. and a conman is, you know, a confidence _ levels. and a conman is, you know, a confidence trickster, so he is a confident— confidence trickster, so he is a confident trickster. the report i have _ confident trickster. the report i have with — confident trickster. the report i have with millie, who is as you have 'ust have with millie, who is as you have just seen. _ have with millie, who is as you have just seen, dottie, she is wonderful, she is— just seen, dottie, she is wonderful, she is such — just seen, dottie, she is wonderful, she is such a — just seen, dottie, she is wonderful, she is such a great actress, as everyone _ she is such a great actress, as everyone is— she is such a great actress, as everyone is on this show. and to be accepted, _ everyone is on this show. and to be accepted, i— everyone is on this show. and to be accepted, i am loving every minute. it's accepted, i am loving every minute. it's an— accepted, i am loving every minute. it's an iconic— accepted, i am loving every minute. it's an iconic show and to be part of it— it's an iconic show and to be part of it and — it's an iconic show and to be part of it and to — it's an iconic show and to be part of it and to have a few doof—doof moments — of it and to have a few doof—doof moments around the way is a wonderful honour. we moments around the way is a wonderful honour.— moments around the way is a wonderful honour. we only have 30 seconds, i — wonderful honour. we only have 30 seconds, ijust _ wonderful honour. we only have 30 seconds, i just want _ wonderful honour. we only have 30 seconds, i just want to _ wonderful honour. we only have 30 seconds, i just want to ask - wonderful honour. we only have 30 seconds, i just want to ask you - seconds, i just want to ask you about one of your co—stars, growers who have do —— who is doing strictly —— rose who is doing sticky. my dad is and she is doing this programme, she is doing incredibly. i’m and she is doing this programme, she is doing incredibly.— is doing incredibly. i'm not a gambling — is doing incredibly. i'm not a gambling man _ is doing incredibly. i'm not a gambling man but _ is doing incredibly. i'm not a gambling man but i - is doing incredibly. i'm not a gambling man but i put - is doing incredibly. i'm not a i gambling man but i put money is doing incredibly. i'm not a - gambling man but i put money on her because _ gambling man but i put money on her because i_ gambling man but i put money on her because i know she is going to go all the _ because i know she is going to go all the way — because i know she is going to go all the way. she is not there because _ all the way. she is not there because she is hard of hearing, she is there _ because she is hard of hearing, she is there because she is a wonderful actoi’, _ is there because she is a wonderful actor. she — is there because she is a wonderful actor. she is— is there because she is a wonderful actor, she is brilliant on this show. — actor, she is brilliant on this show. and _ actor, she is brilliant on this show, and i think it is going to be a wonderful— show, and i think it is going to be a wonderful advert for the deaf community and she really deserves it. i community and she really deserves it i have _ community and she really deserves it. i have worked with her intensely on this— it. i have worked with her intensely on this and — it. i have worked with her intensely on this and she is everything you dream _ on this and she is everything you dream of — on this and she is everything you dream of. extremely talented and a lovely— dream of. extremely talented and a lovely person. a bit like me!- lovely person. a bit like me! thank ou, lovely person. a bit like me! thank you. lovely — lovely person. a bit like me! thank you. lovely to _ lovely person. a bit like me! thank you, lovely to talk _ lovely person. a bit like me! thank you, lovely to talk to _ lovely person. a bit like me! thank you, lovely to talk to you, - lovely person. a bit like me! thank you, lovely to talk to you, brian, i you, lovely to talk to you, brian, enjoy that storyline.— enjoy that storyline. thank you, watch, everyone, _ enjoy that storyline. thank you, watch, everyone, it's _ enjoy that storyline. thank you, watch, everyone, it's going - enjoy that storyline. thank you, watch, everyone, it's going to l enjoy that storyline. thank you, l watch, everyone, it's going to get good! _ watch, everyone, it's going to get nood! ., ~ watch, everyone, it's going to get mad! ., ~' ,., watch, everyone, it's going to get nood! . ,, �* ., ., , watch, everyone, it's going to get nood! . �* ., ., , good! thank you, brian conley. so for us, it good! thank you, brian conley. so for us. it is— good! thank you, brian conley. so for us, it is going _ good! thank you, brian conley. so for us, it is going to _ good! thank you, brian conley. so for us, it is going to get _ good! thank you, brian conley. so for us, it is going to get good! - stay with us, headlines coming up. good morning, welcome to breakfast with sally nugent and dan walker. our headlines today. white house talks between the prime minister and the president — but no trade deal agreed yet. the deal with the uk, that's continued to be discussed. pensions scandal — the catalogue of errors that led to thousands of women being underpaid by £1 billion. good being underpaid by £1 billion. morning, the govern a good morning, the government strikes a multi—million pound bailout deal to protect the flow of carbon dioxide used in food and drinks production. we ask if it has come too late and what the impact will be too late and what the impact will be to everything from meat on the shelves and beer at the pump. great britain enjoyed huge success in the swimming pool this summer in the olympics and paralympics but now the question is is the future of swimming now under threat? and it is the autumn equinox with cloud making it feel like autumn in parts of scotland and northern ireland but for many, a sense of summer with sunny spells and feeling warm. it's wednesday the 22nd of september. boris johnson's hopes for securing a comprehensive free trade deal with the us appear to be fading after president biden downplayed the issue after their face—to—face meeting at the white house downing street said there was a very positive atmosphere between the two leaders, but the president also issued a fresh warning to mrjohnson that peace in northern ireland must not be jeopardised as a result of the complications caused by brexit. our political editor laura kuenssberg reports from washington dc. side by side, borisjohnson's visit to the most famous political office in the world finally took place. the president regaling him first with stories of the american railroad. i travel more on amtrak. if i were a conductor, i would be number one on seniority. it was far from just a friendly chat. the two men hailing working together on security, on travel, on climate. but on trade, the us isn't ready to speed towards a deal with the uk. and the us president was clear on his concerns about northern ireland. on the deal with the uk, that's continued to be discussed. but on the protocols, i feel very strongly about those. and i would not at all like to see, nor, i might add, would many of my republican colleagues like to see, a change in the irish accords and the end result having a closed border again. for no 10, though, the white house visit was third day lucky on this trip, describing the atmosphere of the talks as very positive, saying the relationship between the new neighbours at the white house and the uk is making great strides forward. this is a very important trip for us in the uk and we have seen some great progress just in the last period. it's good that the ban has been lifted on british beef and the people of the united states of america can eat british beef. and we are working on lamb, too. and the lamb! we are working on the lamb. finally, after two years, borisjohnson has had his moment in the white house as the uk prime minister. on this muggy washington evening, the atmosphere inside the oval office was warm. the two men agree on many things, particularly their commitment to tackling climate change. but there is a sense, still, this is a relationship in its early days, not yet an established friendship. the prime minister still has one day on this side of the atlantic. the situation he'll face at home could give him more cause for concern. laura kuenssberg, bbc news, at the white house. the commercial production of carbon dioxide for use in the food and drink industry is set to resume after the government reached a deal to cover a manufacturer's operating costs, for a limited time. it comes after a warning that rising gas prices could lead to a shortage of goods on the shelves. our chief political correspondent adam fleming joins us now. no doubt listening to george eustice earlier. the most important thing, he said if there are food price rises at the end of this they would be modest. he rises at the end of this they would be modest-— rises at the end of this they would be modest. ,, ., , ., , ., be modest. he did say as a result of all the changes _ be modest. he did say as a result of all the changes in _ be modest. he did say as a result of all the changes in the _ be modest. he did say as a result of all the changes in the industry - be modest. he did say as a result of all the changes in the industry and l all the changes in the industry and gas price and what is happening with c02 the price of carbon dioxide for co2 the price of carbon dioxide for businesses will go up by quite a lot in the next weeks. but he said because the price of carbon dioxide is such a small part of the price of goods, the rest of us will not really notice that, although he did suggest there are factors that could make shopping go up in price anyway. the reason this crisis is averted is the government will give taxpayers' money to the fertiliser company for three weeks so they can get production running again. and george eustice explained why the government had no choice but to enter into the bailout. unless we were to take this action this week, we would have had to supply chain issues for poultry in particular by the beginning of next week and no government can allow that to happen. have you avoided those supply chain issues now, at least for the next three weeks? is that what your feedback is telling you? yes, we believe we have. so there will be no shortage of food on the shelves? no, so we've acted expeditiously in an urgent way to do what was necessary to ensure we have the carbon dioxide we needed to keep the food supply chain moving. he seemed pretty confident supplies of carbon dioxide will stabilise. the industry will be able to sort itself out. you wonder are there other links in the supply chain that could come out and surprise us? and we might be having this conversation about a different firm. and then you have the labour party trying to wrap up have the labour party trying to wrap up this stuff about carbon dioxide, gas bills, universal credit being reduced into a big cost of living crisis for the government, a crisis the government says is not happening as far as they are concerned. thanks. years of repeated human errors and outdated technology led to an estimated £1 billion worth of state pensions being underpaid to more than 100,000 people. a report by the national audit office into failures at the department for work and pensions found problems dating back to the 1980s. here's our business reporter, sarah corker. for nearly a decade, irene from worcestershire was underpaid her state pension. she is one of thousands of women in their 70s and 80s that missed out on large sums of money because of government errors. i think it's scandalous. i think that the fact that you have to battle for something that's rightfully yours is awful, because i was lucky, i have got richard to help me. but anybody who is a widow, perhaps not financially up with it, and they're perhaps struggling on the breadline, it could make a tremendous difference. irene has now been paid the £7,000 she was owed, but it was a battle and she's far from alone. these errors relate to married women who had small state pensions. they were eligible to claim 60% of their husband's contributions. but complex rules and errors by the dwp meant that for decades, they were underpaid. the errors date back to 1985, affecting an estimated 134,000 pensioners, including some married women, widows and the over 80s. they are collectively owed more than £1 billion. the national audit office found there were repeated human errors over many years at the department for work and pensions, blamed on complex pension rules and unautomated, outdated it systems. most of the people affected are going to be women, not all, but most — 90% of those that take this type of state pension uplifts are women. and unfortunately, i'm afraid, many of them will have died before they received the money that they are owed. so actually, in a significant minority of cases, this is money that will actually go to their next of kin. the department for work and pensions said it is fully committed to ensuring the historical errors made by successive governments are corrected, and it's improved training to make sure it doesn't happen again. a team of 500 civil servants is now working to trace women like irene who were short—changed. but it will take years to complete. sarah corker, bbc news. as sarah was saying, in the vast majority of cases, the dwp say they will contact anyone impacted by this issue to make sure they receive the money they are owed. but in a small number of cases, family members of those who might have been underpaid but have passed away more than four years ago, will need to contact the dwp. the mother of harry dunn has told bbc breakfast she's a step closer to justice after reaching a civil settlement with the us citizen alleged to have killed him. the teenager was knocked off his motorbike by a car driven by anne sacoolas in northamptonshire two years ago. since then, his family have campaigned for her to face criminal charges after she left the uk. it's been a really hard slog, the past couple of years, having both the civil case and criminal case almost running parallel to one another, to be honest. so it is a big relief that one part of it is done and we can now forge ahead and work with the cps and trust the cps to bring the criminal case to a resolution. the government's taking legal action to try to stop climate change protesters targeting major motorways. it's after several days of disruption on the m25. the group, insulate britain, says it wants to draw attention to the need for better home insulation, but police say protesting on a busy motorway causes a very high risk of injury or death. some news just breaking in the last few minutes — a man has been charged with the murders of 3 children and a woman in derbyshire. the bodies of 13—year old john paul bennett, 11—year old lacey bennett, their mother terri harris, and lacey's friend connie gent, who was also 11 — were found on sunday. the footballer and food campaigner marcus rashford is set to find a new type of stardom — on the school syllabus. some students starting gcse media studies this autumn will learn about how the striker used his high profile to help provide healthy meals to disadvantaged young people. last year he was awarded an mbe for services to vulnerable children during the pandemic. here's matt with a look at the weather. that is a very soothing picture behind you. yes a beautiful start in richmond. an autumnal look but the feel of late summer as we go into the afternoon whereas in north—west scotland, the look and feel of autumn today with the grim —looking sky there. but that rain always welcome at this time of year. it is coming from this zone that has pushed off the atlantic and is now edging away from lewis and harris. turning wet across the highlands and the rain moving southwards. brightening up to the north of it but a blustery day to the south of that. we have cloud, and some fog patches. here temperature significantly above what they should be. should be around 17 but we are up be. should be around 17 but we are up to maybe 23 in some spots. feeling cool in northern scotland with the breeze. they could gust up to 40 with the breeze. they could gust up to a0 mph at times. the rain as we finish the day. aberdeen towards glasgow and across northern ireland. further south, glasgow and across northern ireland. furthersouth, much glasgow and across northern ireland. further south, much of england and wales staying dry. the wind light the further south you are. tonight the further south you are. tonight the rain will push across england and wales and many will stay dry. frequent showers in the north of scotland and gales, if not severe gales. tomorrow, more cloud around. some sunny spells particularly in the south and east and staying warm in england and wales as we head the south and east and staying warm in england and wales as we head to the weekend. the number of people having a baby using a surrogate in england and wales has almost quadrupled in the last ten years. applications for court orders which transfer legal parentage from the surrogate to the intended parents increased from 117 in 2011 to a13 in 2020. the research, from the university of kent and a surrogacy matching agency also found that most applicants were mixed six couples. breakfast�*s jayne mccubbin reports. let me introduce three families. my name's natalie, i'm 31! and a first—time surrogate. each with their own journey into surrogacy. hi, i'm carina. i'm 41 years old and i'm a mum of four beautiful children, each born through surrogacy following a breast cancer diagnosis. each have given or received perhaps the greatest gift there could ever be. this is fran. fran is mum to grace. and this is gina and gina - was grace's tummy mummy. the gift of a brand—new life — or three. carina's journey might have begun with a near—fatal health condition, but it's brought her, joyfully, right here. all: we are the damons! so ena was my very first surrogate who gave birth to my daughter amala, and laura was my second surrogate, who gave birth to the triplets for me. and, you know, those women transformed my life. they made me a mum. they gave me something that many medics told me would never be possible. and, you know, they made my dreams come true. and for them, i'm for ever grateful. they are a small part of a growing number of surrogate children. a report shown exclusively to the bbc shows the number of parents having a baby using a surrogate in england and wales has almost quadrupled in the last ten years. from 117 in 2011 to over 400 last year. for carina and also for frances, finding a surrogate was life—changing. when you're given a cancer diagnosis, your whole life just changes in seconds and it's like you just fall into this hole. and then when evelyn was born, who was the first one, it felt like the first time since that diagnosis — sorry — this weight had been lifted. there was no handing over. it wasjust all four of us being in the room, part of a wonderful birth. and ijust watched a family being created, literally in front of my eyes. almost felt like i was encroaching on their moment — of the beginning of their family. it was beautiful. the girls saved my life. but almost 40 years ago, surrogacy was viewed with suspicion. months after britain's first surrogate baby was born, so, too, were the very first surrogacy laws. today, those laws are under review. only altruistic surrogacy is allowed here. surrogates can't advertise and they can't charge a fee — only expenses. carina paid around £75,000 in expenses for her family. because there isn't an actual legal framework that surrogacy operates within, there's a heck of a lot of trust that's needed. and the classic thing is people always say, what if she keeps your baby? but one thing that ena said to me, and it really opened my eyes with regards to the law and the way it stands, she said, my biggest fear is what if you don't take your baby? because, legally, i'm that child's mum. so there are two sides to every coin here. the end of natalie's surrogacy journey is now weeks away. she and husband jack already have two children, but her surrogacy dream was born out of the heartbreak of having a stillborn daughter. i always try and take positives from any situation. planning to bring my own home and not doing that was the hardest thing that i've ever had to do. but to have somebody else's baby that isn't genetically linked to me at all, for them to worship and love and cherish is a positive thing that's come out of a very negative, dark period. this was the embryo. these were the tests. and this — well, this is the very moment she broke the news to her intended parents, andy and gareth. i'm excited, i can't wait. the best part about being pregnant is not the stresses. i don't have to worry about what i haven't got or what i need to get, you know, all these things. i honestly cannot wait to see their faces. i have said if they don't cry, i might punch them. it was a concern for me that, at the end of the process, how nat would feel handing the baby over. but now, meeting the guys and getting to know them, no, that's not a concern for me at all, because, like nat said, we get to sort of share in the joy that they get. all of these families agree that current laws need reform, but all agree there is no greater gift than parenthood. parenthood, to me, means the ability to nurture, create and grow your child in any way, shape orform. unconditional love from the moment they're in your arms. i wasn't able to do the first nine months of their life. but i'll be here for the rest of their lives. as long as you love them, that's all you need, really. we're nowjoined on the sofa by michaeljohnson—ellis from my surrogachourney, one of the groups behind the research, and by laura mccarthy, who has been a surrogate forfive children. good morning. michael, you realised there was an issue here and you wanted to do something about it. tell me about what made you do that and your family. tell me about what made you do that and yourfamily. me tell me about what made you do that and your family-— and your family. me and my husband have to macro _ and your family. me and my husband have to macro children _ and your family. me and my husband have to macro children together, - and your family. me and my husband have to macro children together, a i have to macro children together, a little _ have to macro children together, a little girl _ have to macro children together, a little girl and a little boy. having our family— little girl and a little boy. having our family was not straightforward. what _ our family was not straightforward. what we _ our family was not straightforward. what we wanted to do was help to support— what we wanted to do was help to support more people on a journey to parenthood — support more people on a journey to parenthood through surrogacy, who needed _ parenthood through surrogacy, who needed and wanted support to help them _ needed and wanted support to help them understand options and navigate them understand options and navigate the law, _ them understand options and navigate the law, meet with incredible surrogates who can do that. we submitted the freedom of information behind _ submitted the freedom of information behind the data with the university of kent _ behind the data with the university of kent to— behind the data with the university of kent to discuss what we are here to do— of kent to discuss what we are here to do today — of kent to discuss what we are here to do today-— to do today. how did you find caroline, _ to do today. how did you find caroline, your— to do today. how did you find caroline, your surrogate? - to do today. how did you findj caroline, your surrogate? we to do today. how did you find - caroline, your surrogate? we met caroline, your surrogate? we met caroline online _ caroline, your surrogate? we met caroline online in _ caroline, your surrogate? we met caroline online in 2014-15. - caroline, your surrogate? we met caroline online in 2014-15. the . caroline online in 2014—15. the nonprofit— caroline online in 2014—15. the nonprofit organisations were not accepting — nonprofit organisations were not accepting new intended parent so we had to— accepting new intended parent so we had to go— accepting new intended parent so we had to go down the independent route which is _ had to go down the independent route which is unsupported but a huge community. a lot of research and looking _ community. a lot of research and looking into those communities and we ended _ looking into those communities and we ended up meeting caroline. she carried _ we ended up meeting caroline. she carried both of our children.- carried both of our children. laura, i am in doof _ carried both of our children. laura, i am in doof doof _ carried both of our children. laura, i am in doof doof doof _ carried both of our children. laura, i am in doof doof doof doof - carried both of our children. laura, i am in doof doof doof doof awe. i carried both of our children. laura, i i am in doof doof doof doof awe. how many times? i i am in doof doof doof doof awe. how many times?— many times? i have got four of my own. maybe it is something i would have to think about a little bit more but once my body copes well. heath? to think about a little bit more but once my body copes well.- to think about a little bit more but once my body copes well. why did you do it the first — once my body copes well. why did you do it the first time? _ once my body copes well. why did you do it the first time? | _ once my body copes well. why did you do it the first time? i would _ once my body copes well. why did you do it the first time? i would look - do it the first time? i would look at my own _ do it the first time? i would look at my own children _ do it the first time? i would look at my own children of— do it the first time? i would look at my own children of an - do it the first time? i would look. at my own children of an evening. when they are asleep, it makes your heart melt. i thought that unconditional love. i felt if i have the ability to give that to somebody else, why not. 50 the ability to give that to somebody else. why not-— the ability to give that to somebody else, why not. so yes. you had twins in aril. else, why not. so yes. you had twins in april- are — else, why not. so yes. you had twins in april- are you _ else, why not. so yes. you had twins in april. are you in _ else, why not. so yes. you had twins in april. are you in good _ else, why not. so yes. you had twins in april. are you in good contact, - in april. are you in good contact, fourfamilies, five in april. are you in good contact, four families, five children. three families. two _ four families, five children. three families. two were _ four families, five children. three families. two were siblings. - four families, five children. three families. two were siblings. are i four families, five children. three i families. two were siblings. are you in contact with _ families. two were siblings. are you in contact with the _ families. two were siblings. are you in contact with the families? - families. two were siblings. are you in contact with the families? i - families. two were siblings. are you in contact with the families? i am. l in contact with the families? i am. a coule in contact with the families? i am. a couple of— in contact with the families? i am. a couple of times _ in contact with the families? i am. a couple of times a _ in contact with the families? i am. a couple of times a year _ in contact with the families? i am. a couple of times a year we - in contact with the families? i am. a couple of times a year we ring i in contact with the families? i am. | a couple of times a year we ring up for a catch up and the ones old enough to understand know they grew in my tummy. and also the basic biology that they are biologically the parents' children and no biological link to myself. talking, ou can biological link to myself. talking, you can see _ biological link to myself. talking, you can see how _ biological link to myself. talking, you can see how you _ biological link to myself. talking, you can see how you can - biological link to myself. talking, you can see how you can change | you can see how you can change people's lives by surrogacy. surrogates are incredible. absolutely unbelievable what they do. absolutely unbelievable what they do and _ absolutely unbelievable what they do. and it is great we speak positively how amazing uk surrogacy is and _ positively how amazing uk surrogacy is and the _ positively how amazing uk surrogacy is and the impact it has on people, whether— is and the impact it has on people, whether you are starting a family or completing it. women like you are amazing — completing it. women like you are amazinu. ., ., , completing it. women like you are amazin. _ ., ., , ., , completing it. women like you are amazinu. ., ., , ., amazing. your 'ourney was not easy. what with amazing. your 'ourney was not easy. what with the — amazing. yourjourney was not easy. what with the difficulties? _ amazing. yourjourney was not easy. what with the difficulties? we - amazing. yourjourney was not easy. what with the difficulties? we had i what with the difficulties? we had many— what with the difficulties? we had many challenges. challenging being two men _ many challenges. challenging being two men having children and when you are discharged into the nhs, there were inequalities in our care would be managed and how we could be present— be managed and how we could be present at— be managed and how we could be present at the birth of our children _ present at the birth of our children. we had to unfortunately change _ children. we had to unfortunately change that. children. we had to unfortunately change that-— children. we had to unfortunately change that. how do your children feel about what _ change that. how do your children feel about what you _ change that. how do your children feel about what you are _ change that. how do your children feel about what you are doing? i change that. how do your children | feel about what you are doing? my feel about what you are doing? ij�*i eldest feel about what you are doing? m1: eldest understands feel about what you are doing? m1 eldest understands it feel about what you are doing? m1: eldest understands it well. my youngest is two. they are supportive. it is amazing. my children going to school and talking to people about it and telling their friends and teachers. i think how amazing, even as children they raise positive awareness around surrogacy. this is an option for people to have theirfamilies that this is an option for people to have their families that way.— their families that way. when you look at the _ their families that way. when you look at the numbers, _ their families that way. when you look at the numbers, you - their families that way. when you look at the numbers, you were i look at the numbers, you were involved in collecting the data, were you surprised that the data you got back because the numbers are staggering. fiend got back because the numbers are stanerin. �* ,~ got back because the numbers are stauuuerin. �* ,~ , staggering. and they are rising steadil . staggering. and they are rising steadily. and _ staggering. and they are rising steadily. and that _ staggering. and they are rising steadily. and that is _ staggering. and they are rising steadily. and that is what - staggering. and they are rising steadily. and that is what is i staggering. and they are rising i steadily. and that is what is great to see _ steadily. and that is what is great to see. what is wonderful to see is we should — to see. what is wonderful to see is we should be talking about surrogacy as a form _ we should be talking about surrogacy as a form of— we should be talking about surrogacy as a form of fertility children, not as a form of fertility children, not a shock— as a form of fertility children, not a shock factor in the way to build a family _ a shock factor in the way to build a family it _ a shock factor in the way to build a family it is— a shock factor in the way to build a family. it is lovely to see. nicely growing — family. it is lovely to see. nicely growing safely. family. it is lovely to see. nicely growing safely-— family. it is lovely to see. nicely growing safely. and that is really important- _ growing safely. and that is really important- why _ growing safely. and that is really important. why do _ growing safely. and that is really important. why do you _ growing safely. and that is really important. why do you think - growing safely. and that is really important. why do you think it i growing safely. and that is really important. why do you think it isj important. why do you think it is seen as another option for people. we talked in the introduction how the figures have gone up in the last ten years. the figures have gone up in the last ten ears. ., the figures have gone up in the last ten ears. . ., _, , ., ten years. there are a couple of factors. ten years. there are a couple of factors- we _ ten years. there are a couple of factors. we have _ ten years. there are a couple of factors. we have seen - ten years. there are a couple of factors. we have seen the - ten years. there are a couple of factors. we have seen the law. ten years. there are a couple of - factors. we have seen the law reform and the _ factors. we have seen the law reform and the law _ factors. we have seen the law reform and the law commission is talking about— and the law commission is talking about reform for surrogacy that has raised _ about reform for surrogacy that has raised awareness. same—sex marriage allowed _ raised awareness. same—sex marriage allowed people to apply for the parental order. the allowed people to apply for the parental order.— parental order. the ma'ority of those parental order. the ma'ority of these new* parental order. the ma'ority of those new applications]- parental order. the majority of those new applications have i parental order. the majority of. those new applications have been parental order. the majority of- those new applications have been for mixed couples. that those new applications have been for mixed couples-_ those new applications have been for mixed couples._ in - mixed couples. that is correct. in 2019 the law _ mixed couples. that is correct. in 2019 the law changed _ mixed couples. that is correct. in 2019 the law changed again - mixed couples. that is correct. in 2019 the law changed again for i 2019 the law changed again for single — 2019 the law changed again for single people to apply for a parental order. the law has helped to raise _ parental order. the law has helped to raise awareness about what surrogacy— to raise awareness about what surrogacy is rather than what it is not and _ surrogacy is rather than what it is not and that is important to tell the story — not and that is important to tell the sto . ., ., not and that is important to tell the sto . . ., , ., not and that is important to tell the sto . . ., not and that is important to tell thesto . . ., ,, ., the story. laura, you can guess what i am uouin the story. laura, you can guess what i am going to — the story. laura, you can guess what i am going to ask— the story. laura, you can guess what i am going to ask you. _ the story. laura, you can guess what i am going to ask you. will— the story. laura, you can guess what i am going to ask you. will you - the story. laura, you can guess what i am going to ask you. will you do i i am going to ask you. will you do it auain? i am going to ask you. will you do it again? definitely. _ i am going to ask you. will you do it again? definitely. i— i am going to ask you. will you do it again? definitely. i am - i am going to ask you. will you do j it again? definitely. i am matched it again? definitely. iam matched with a single intended parent this time. with the change in the law, absolutely fantastic single people can apply for a parental order. hagar can apply for a parental order. how does that, timing _ can apply for a parental order. how does that, timing —wise, how does it work out, once you have the match? it is individual to everybody. it is nice to have a decent length of time getting to know each other. ultimately it is quite a big thing you will go through together. it is important to you format friendship and have that trust with each other and have that trust with each other and respect for each other. i am laud ou and respect for each other. i am glad you looked _ and respect for each other. i am glad you looked at _ and respect for each other. i am glad you looked at me _ and respect for each other. i am glad you looked at me confused. it is nine months, you have three children of your own! i understand that. thank you for coming in. you learn a lot on breakfast. you do! another village has been evacuated on the spanish island of las palmas following the eruption of a volcano on sunday. more than 6000 people have already fled the area where a series of earthquakes have also been recorded. danjohnson is there for us this morning. what is the situation now? good morning. a fourth day of eruptions. the volcano keeps on rumbling and spewing out lava. probably the most calm we have seen it this morning, not as fierce the past three days, but it never stops and no one can do anything to stop or control the lava flowing down the hillside. it has scorched landscape with a black scar across the landscape. the lava touches set on fire and is burned or buried by the volume of the lava. it has been a spectacular display. these are nature's fireworks and some of nature's strongest forces at work but doing huge damage notjust to the landscape but to villages and homes. we saw a village right down at the bottom of the lava flow being evacuated with people given the chance to grab last things and get to safety before their homes were engulfed. it is distressing to see that because people are leaving home is behind knowing they will never be able to go back, even buildings that are not destroyed by the lava will probably be cut off or in such a dangerous position, they will have to be abandoned. this is a big issue for the future of those communities and how this island recovers. thank ou ve and how this island recovers. thank you very much _ and how this island recovers. thank you very much indeed. _ you very much indeed. extraordinary pictures there. incredible. time now to get the news travel where you are. good morning from bbc london, i'm tolu adeoye. time is running out to design and deliver euston station as part of the hs2 high speed rail link. that's accroding to the public accounts committee. the mps says there is uncertainty around the design and old oak common in north west london may become the final stop on the line. the department for transport says it hopes to report on progress this autumn. a man in his 30s has died after being stabbed in east london. police were called to the isle of dogs at around 8.30 last night following reports of a group of men fighting. in a separate incident a man in his 20s was shot dead in north london. two other men were injured in the incident in green lanes, so far no—one's been arrested. the family of a woman from brentford who died from covid—19 have created a cookbook to try and keep her memory alive. sabeen mansoor died last february after spending seven weeks on a ventilator. she was passionate about cooking and so her husband and son have put together a book of her favourite recipes as a way of honoring her. the smell is just unbelievable. it brings to mind us running down and seeing if the dish is ready, because when sabeen used to make it, the whole house used to smell so beautiful. unfortunately, now, we can never have food from her hands, but what we're trying to do is to try to keep the whole heritage and whole family thing alive. let's have a look at the travel situation this morning. on the tubes, there are severe delays on the dlr and the metropolitan line. on the roads, drivers on the m25 in kent and essex have been facing disruptionjust after the dartford tunnel after what was decribed as a medical emergency. there are 90 minute delays with tailbacks to orpington, and also long queues into london on the a2. onto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello, good morning. it is set to be another decent day of weather today across the capital. above average temperatures once more for this time of year. it will stay dry and there will be quite a bit of sunshine around as well. it's been a chilly start to this morning, some of our temperatures rurally have dropped back into single figures. and there is a bit of mist around as well but it's not terribly widespread or extensive. that will lift and clear as we head through the morning. there will be some sunshine emerging, perhaps a little bit more cloud through the afternoon than we saw yesterday but staying dry. top temperatures in the best of the sunshine this afternoon hitting 21 to 23 celsius in a few more favoured spots. a bit more of a noticeable westerly wind blowing too. as we head through this evening and overnight, we've got cloud edging down from the north—west. that will keep the temperatures largely in double figures so lows of around ten or 11 celsius. as we start the day on thursday, there could be a few spits and spots of drizzle. certainly a lot of cloud around through the morning, and then that cloud will clear to leave us with a dry and sunny afternoon. top temperatures around 22 celsius, maybe 23 again by the time we get to friday. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london in half an hour. now though it's back to dan and sally. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with dan walker and sally nugent. morning live follows us on bbc one this morning. let's find out what's in store from gethin and janette. good morning. coming up on morning live. with gas prices soaring by a whopping 250%, consumer champ dom littlewood explains what to do if you're worried about your energy bill or if your supplier goes bust. plus, it's notjust gas prices fuelling empty supermarket shelves. we find out why a shortage of 100,000 lorry drivers is also stopping you from being fully stocked up. and they're the painful spasms that affect a third of over 60s as they sleep. dr rupy tells us why eating melons could help soothe muscle cramps. also today, she's the incredible nurse who's spent her life fighting injustice. we meet professor dame elizabeth anionwu to find out how her work is inspiring future generations, including singer dua lipa. plus, he's climbed everest and raced across the south pole. but now adventurer ben fogle's on a mission to help the 40% of us who want to recycle more but don't know where to start. and in today's strictly fitness, we'll be recycling a classic samba move once danced by anton du beke and ann widdecombe. what a perfect pairing! we need tojust we need to just take we need tojust take a moment to watch _ we need tojust take a moment to watch that! we need to 'ust take a moment to watch that! �* we need to 'ust take a moment to watch that!— we need to 'ust take a moment to watch that! �* . , . ., , watch that! and that is the cleanest the blackpool _ watch that! and that is the cleanest the blackpool dance _ watch that! and that is the cleanest the blackpool dance floor _ watch that! and that is the cleanest the blackpool dance floor has - watch that! and that is the cleanest the blackpool dance floor has ever. the blackpool dance floor has ever been. i like the bit at the end where she protests that up. thea;t where she protests that up. they have stolen _ where she protests that up. they have stolen our— where she protests that up. they have stolen our choreography from the weekend! i have stolen our choreography from the weekend!— the weekend! i would pay to see that! please _ the weekend! i would pay to see that! please tell _ the weekend! i would pay to see that! please tell me _ the weekend! i would pay to see that! please tell me that's - the weekend! i would pay to see that! please tell me that's true! | that! please tell me that's true! you wait and see. see you later on. can't wait for that! we're going to talk to a manchester united legend now about his efforts to help young people from disadvantaged backgrounds. but it's not the one you might be thinking of. you were at old trafford establishing yourself as a legend, gary neville, and now you have come up gary neville, and now you have come up with a scheme to help disadvantaged young people get university perhaps at times when they may not have been able to previously? haste they may not have been able to previously?— previously? we know that the tostcode previously? we know that the postcode that _ previously? we know that the postcode that you _ previously? we know that the postcode that you are - previously? we know that the postcode that you are born i previously? we know that the postcode that you are born in | previously? we know that the - postcode that you are born in will determine the quality of your education and how accessible it is, and there is a feeling in quite a lot of community that university is not for them purely because of where they are born and we want to try and remove that. we have launched a campaign which gives students a free travel pass for three years, laptop and free food for lunch for three years. so those are some of the obstacles that the students face. so how do you find those students? obstacles that the students face. so | how do you find those students? we have how do you find those students? - have to go into those communities and embed ourselves and gets to the point where they trust us because there is a lack of trust generally. we have to get in there and do the hard yards and say, be with them, and demonstrate compassion and empathy and tell them that there is an opportunity that we believe in them. �* ., ., i. , an opportunity that we believe in them. �* ., ., , ., them. and how do you, in terms of them. and how do you, in terms of the many things — them. and how do you, in terms of the many things that _ them. and how do you, in terms of the many things that you _ them. and how do you, in terms of the many things that you could - them. and how do you, in terms of| the many things that you could have done with— the many things that you could have done with your foundation, or your money— done with your foundation, or your money or— done with your foundation, or your money or how you want to use and be in with— money or how you want to use and be in with your— money or how you want to use and be in with your community that you live in, in with your community that you live in. what _ in with your community that you live in, what convinced you that this is the right— in, what convinced you that this is the right scheme that could help? | the right scheme that could help? i think the right scheme that could help? think it's the right scheme that could help? i think it's removing the obstacles that people from areas of real quality, we know at the moment there are families choosing between heating and eating. with —— we are talking about people who feel that they can't go to university because of the cost of travel to get there or a laptop or the food when i get there. ifeel like i'm part of the problem, i'm ashamed, we have a university and we have to do something about it, can't wait for the government to act for us, we have to act ourselves.— the government to act for us, we have to act ourselves. what do you mean ou have to act ourselves. what do you mean you feel _ have to act ourselves. what do you mean you feel ashamed? - have to act ourselves. what do you | mean you feel ashamed? ultimately have to act ourselves. what do you i mean you feel ashamed? ultimately i am in a privileged _ mean you feel ashamed? ultimately i am in a privileged position, _ mean you feel ashamed? ultimately i am in a privileged position, i- mean you feel ashamed? ultimately i am in a privileged position, i don't. am in a privileged position, i don't have to choose between heating and eating. when i see that families are having to make those choices, i feel personally responsible, i think that is how we should all feel. we are a team in this country and we should all feel as one, or if one of our team is struggling or injured we try and help them back into the team again. if there are families in this country or young people in this country, in greater manchester area where we grew up in gorton or barry or selfridge, who thinks that university or salford, who think that university is not accessible, i want that to change. you that university is not accessible, i want that to change.— want that to change. you do talk about politics — want that to change. you do talk about politics and _ want that to change. you do talk about politics and social- want that to change. you do talk about politics and social media l want that to change. you do talk i about politics and social media and you often _ about politics and social media and you often have a pop at the government. and people often comment, why don't you do something about— comment, why don't you do something about it? _ comment, why don't you do something about it? is— comment, why don't you do something about it? is this your way of saying, _ about it? is this your way of saying, i— about it? is this your way of saying, i am trying to do something about— saying, i am trying to do something about it? _ saying, i am trying to do something about it? ., .., saying, i am trying to do something about it? ., ., , ., saying, i am trying to do something about it? ., ., ., ., saying, i am trying to do something aboutit? ., ., ., ., , about it? you can always do more but i dot about it? you can always do more but i do try and — about it? you can always do more but i do try and do — about it? you can always do more but i do try and do something _ about it? you can always do more but i do try and do something about - about it? you can always do more but i do try and do something about it i i do try and do something about it and i have become more vocal in the last 20 months because i have become depressed by, talking about one team, whether you are labour party, tory, green, liberal democrat, i believe we are all one in this country and we can all come together. i think there is great division through brexit and the handling of covid particularly in the north of england, levelling up is not handling in —— happening in the north of england and i feel passionate about that. we need to do something in the micro level because i don't think at the macro level at the government level, i don't think enough is being done to support, particularly in the northern parts of finland but i'm sure other parts of finland but i'm sure other parts of england, they will feel the same way. of england, they will feel the same wa . ., , ., ., ~ way. -- northern parts of england. a career in politics _ way. -- northern parts of england. a career in politics is _ way. -- northern parts of england. a career in politics is beckoning? - way. -- northern parts of england. a career in politics is beckoning? no, i career in politics is beckoning? no, i 'ust feel career in politics is beckoning? iifr, i just feel disconnected, career in politics is beckoning? iifr, ijust feel disconnected, i feel i just feel disconnected, i feel there is a void in leadership at the moment, i don't think there is great opposition at the moment. sitting on the face on issues like brexit or the face on issues like brexit or the lockdown, you cannot be a competent opposition and do that. i feel the government themselves leave a lot to be desired in stands —— in terms of their standards and integrity. they entered into football in the last 18 months so i have entered into politics. we saw them taking on marcus rashford with them taking on marcus rashford with the free school meals, they condoned the free school meals, they condoned the —— they have condemned the taking of the knee, they came to the footballers at the beginning of the lockdown. so we will have to have a p0p lockdown. so we will have to have a pop back because they don't always do things to represent the rest of the country and people in general. you mentioned marcus rashford. how much _ you mentioned marcus rashford. how much has _ you mentioned marcus rashford. how much has his work been an inspiration for you doing this? have you seen— inspiration for you doing this? have you seen it — inspiration for you doing this? have you seen it and thought, we could do that? _ you seen it and thought, we could do that? its— you seen it and thought, we could do that? �* , ., you seen it and thought, we could do that? �* , . ., you seen it and thought, we could do that? �*, . ., ,, ., ., ., that? it's a great inspiration and i think that not _ that? it's a great inspiration and i think that not just _ that? it's a great inspiration and i think that not just marcus - that? it's a great inspiration and i i think that notjust marcus rashford had done but other football players as well, no one wants to talk about marcus rashford doing great work in the community, you only want to talk about what car they drive and how much money they have. the work that they have done is outstanding. they come from some of the most deprived communities in the country, football players, they don't come from knightsbridge or hampstead, they come from barrow and dudley and bury, and communities like that. they understand that and they are grounded and their families are still in those areas and they want to see people do well. you can enjoy the good life but still want to have everyone else have a good and equal opportunity. everyone else have a good and equal opportunity-— opportunity. some of our footballers will remember _ opportunity. some of our footballers will remember a _ opportunity. some of our footballers will remember a footballer _ opportunity. some of our footballers will remember a footballer called i will remember a footballer called craig _ will remember a footballer called craig bellamy, i interviewed him years— craig bellamy, i interviewed him years ago— craig bellamy, i interviewed him years ago that one of the incident, there _ years ago that one of the incident, there had — years ago that one of the incident, there had been in violent incident on the _ there had been in violent incident on the pitch and he got a lush grief on the pitch and he got a lush grief on the _ on the pitch and he got a lush grief on the press and in interviews. —— he got _ on the press and in interviews. —— he got a _ on the press and in interviews. —— he got a lot— on the press and in interviews. —— he got a lot of grief. and afterwards, people said, why don't you ever— afterwards, people said, why don't you ever ask him about his charity work? _ you ever ask him about his charity work? and — you ever ask him about his charity work? and i— you ever ask him about his charity work? and i mention that and he saidu _ work? and i mention that and he said. no— work? and i mention that and he said. no one _ work? and i mention that and he said, no one cares. do you think that— said, no one cares. do you think that footballers should be more vocal _ that footballers should be more vocal about the things they do in the wider— vocal about the things they do in the wider community? | vocal about the things they do in the wider community?— vocal about the things they do in the wider community? i think they are becoming _ the wider community? i think they are becoming vote _ the wider community? i think they are becoming vote call, _ the wider community? i think they are becoming vote call, i -- - the wider community? i think they are becoming vote call, i -- they i are becoming vote call, i —— they are becoming vote call, i —— they are becoming vote call, i —— they are becoming more vocal. i think the difference is, when footballers make mistakes, they will put their hand up mistakes, they will put their hand up and say they got it wrong and thatis up and say they got it wrong and that is the difference between a football player and a politician. you have worked with marcus rashford, the striker we have worked with marcus rashford, and we said, you are going to get a lot of grief for this, a criticism, are you ready for this, a criticism, are you ready for it? he said, absolutely. wear your —— were footballers of your generation not able to be so vocal? they were criticised, if you remember david beckham getting criticised when he came back after a world cup incident. politicians have started to take football players on in the last few years, i don't think they will do it in the future because they are losing the battle enormously. people accept that when they are watching a football player, they are watching a football player, they are watching a football player, they are paid well but to a also feel like they are just a young lad feel like they are just a young [ad from a normal town who have achieved their dreams. when i look at people in parliament, i don't recognise them, they are not connected to me, they would not be in football stadiums. marcus rashford is resilient and robust and he can handle the criticism that comes his way, but it is crazy that we are criticising raheem sterling, marcus rashford, for that work, i don't know where it comes from. you could argue, they would tell you a story, but ultimately it is wrong. they are doing great work in their communities.— doing great work in their communities. ., , , , ., ., communities. one other issue you are vocal about — communities. one other issue you are vocal about last _ communities. one other issue you are vocal about last year _ communities. one other issue you are vocal about last year was _ communities. one other issue you are vocal about last year was the - vocal about last year was the breakaway european league. there is a shareholders meeting today where they are _ a shareholders meeting today where they are trying to put through a nine-point— they are trying to put through a nine—point plan or charter to try and stop— nine—point plan or charter to try and stop it _ nine—point plan or charter to try and stop it from happening again. who are? — and stop it from happening again. who are? ., who are? premier league shareholders. _ who are? premier league shareholders. the - who are? premier league shareholders. the people| who are? premier league i shareholders. the people who designed it? the fine led review is clear that there should be an independent regulator put in place. —— the fine led review. this is too little too late, they don't want an independent regulator in football to watch over them and they are now trying to put something in place. they have tried to break away twice in the last 18 months with european super league and project big picture. juventus, barcelona and real madrid are still saying there is going to be a european super league. we know that the owners of premier league clubs are in it for investment or marketing purposes, thatis investment or marketing purposes, that is fine, no problem. but there have to be boundaries set which are not set by themselves, they have to be set by an independent body and thatis be set by an independent body and that is hopefully going to happen. you worry if they make this decision themselves, there will be wiggle room _ themselves, there will be wiggle room to— themselves, there will be wiggle room to do some thing down the way? they are _ room to do some thing down the way? they are trying to create their own rules to stop them doing what they have already tried to do twice, it doesn't sound right, so let's say, no, take it away from you which is what tracey crouch's review recommended. haste what tracey crouch's review recommended.— what tracey crouch's review recommended. t ., ,, ., recommended. we could talk to you all morning! — recommended. we could talk to you all morning! why — recommended. we could talk to you all morning! why not? _ recommended. we could talk to you all morning! why not? we _ recommended. we could talk to you all morning! why not? we have i all morning! why not? we have another half _ all morning! why not? we have another half an _ all morning! why not? we have another half an hour! _ all morning! why not? we have another half an hour! thank- all morning! why not? we have| another half an hour! thank you all morning! why not? we have - another half an hour! thank you very much _ another half an hour! thank you very much, all— another half an hour! thank you very much, all the — another half an hour! thank you very much, all the best for your skin. another half an hour! thank you very much, allthe best foryour skin. —— for your— much, allthe best foryour skin. —— for your scheme. much, allthe best foryour skin. —— foryour scheme. he's much, allthe best foryour skin. —— for your scheme. he's off! much, allthe best foryour skin. —— foryour scheme. he's off! other things— foryour scheme. he's off! other things to— foryour scheme. he's off! other things to do! you can sit there if you like — things to do! you can sit there if ou like. , ., , , you like. listen to this next bit. you will love _ you like. listen to this next bit. you will love this, _ you like. listen to this next bit. you will love this, are - you like. listen to this next bit. you will love this, are you - you like. listen to this next bit. l you will love this, are you ready? ministers have struck a deal to restart the uk's commercial production of carbon dioxide after warnings the shortage could disrupt food supplies. we won't talk to gary about this! let's talk to nina instead! honestly, gary, this is a salford brewery, you are from salford, you should be interested! good morning, things you might recognise, the keg, sacks of malt, the tins that the beer will end up in, but this is what everyone is talking about at the moment, carbon dioxide. that was a full tank but it is swiftly reducing. i want to show you how important carbon dioxide is for this one small business and then think about that replicated up and down the country. this is matt and harry, good morning. they are taking these cans, the carbon dioxide goes in these little pipes, and that basically purges the cams of any oxygen which makes the deer go off, so that is crucial. these are the fermenters, it is a similar process from the mould and water goes into these big tankers, they have to be purged of oxygen. that makes sure the beer stays fresh. and then it is used to carbonate liquid and it is used to carbonate liquid and it is used to carbonate liquid and it is used to push the beer out of the pump at the pub. it is a vital part of so many businesses. let's remind ourselves why there has been so much tension around the production of carbon dioxide and the access to it. we have been talking this week about the problems around the wholesale gas supply which impact providers pay for gas, that has more than doubled since january and prices have got so high that some industries could not afford to function. one of those businesses is cf industries, one of the by—products of the fertiliser business is carbon dioxide, and then they sell that to the uk, so when they sell that to the uk, so when they struggle, so does the market beyond them. the carbon dioxide was used in fizzy drinks, meat and salad packaging, and one industry group warned within a few days if a deal wasn't struck with cf industries, we would be seeing shortages on the shelves. the deal was struck last night, a multi—million pound bailout for the business so that co2 can remain in the market. it's a three—week market, —— three—week deal, there is an expectation that there will be a three day lag before production can resume so it is an anxious time. this is keith, one of the seven brothers, and the four sisters who don't get a mention! your co2 tank is empty and fast? yes, we have between two and four weeks supply. last night's decision or the bailout deal could not have come any sooner. a three—day delay could have had major impacts on the business. could have had ma'or impacts on the business. ., g �* could have had ma'or impacts on the business. . q ~ , ., business. really? and we understand that businesses _ business. really? and we understand that businesses will _ business. really? and we understand that businesses will have _ business. really? and we understand that businesses will have to _ business. really? and we understand that businesses will have to pay - business. really? and we understand that businesses will have to pay a i that businesses will have to pay a little bit more in order to secure the supply of the co2, the supplier will get the price increase which could be passed on to you? yes. will get the price increase which could be passed on to you? yes, and if that happened _ could be passed on to you? yes, and if that happened it _ could be passed on to you? yes, and if that happened it could _ could be passed on to you? yes, and if that happened it could impact - could be passed on to you? yes, and if that happened it could impact our. if that happened it could impact our margins. if that happened it could impact our maru ins. ~ . ., if that happened it could impact our maruins. . . ., , if that happened it could impact our maruins. . . . , , ., margins. which are being squeezed at the moment- — margins. which are being squeezed at the moment. every _ margins. which are being squeezed at the moment. every part— margins. which are being squeezed at the moment. every part of— margins. which are being squeezed at the moment. every part of the - the moment. every part of the trocess, the moment. every part of the process. yes- _ the moment. every part of the process, yes. in _ the moment. every part of the process, yes. in what - the moment. every part of the process, yes. in what areas? i the moment. every part of the| process, yes. in what areas? a shortage — process, yes. in what areas? a shortage of— process, yes. in what areas? a shortage of hgv _ process, yes. in what areas? a shortage of hgv drivers, - process, yes. in what areas? a shortage of hgv drivers, a i process, yes. in what areas? a - shortage of hgv drivers, a shortage in the labour market? you are feeling it in all those areas? yes, our major — feeling it in all those areas? yes, our major suppliers _ feeling it in all those areas? yes, our major suppliers to _ feeling it in all those areas? isis, our major suppliers to things like cardboard, our malted barley, the raw ingredients for the beer that we make him a straight through to the supply chain, hgv drivers, it's a really difficult. we have missed a few deadlines because of drivers, both to our suppliers to our customers and our suppliers delivering to a.— customers and our suppliers delivering to a. and even the cardboard — delivering to a. and even the cardboard your _ delivering to a. and even the cardboard your beer - delivering to a. and even the cardboard your beer is - delivering to a. and even the i cardboard your beer is delivering in. one positive to come out of this, you were looking to carbon capture you're only co2 to make ourselves more independent, has that accelerated?— accelerated? yes? we are going to brinu accelerated? yes? we are going to bring those — accelerated? yes? we are going to bring those plans _ accelerated? yes? we are going to bring those plans forward. - accelerated? yes? we are going to bring those plans forward. one i accelerated? yes? we are going to bring those plans forward. one of. bring those plans forward. one of the by—products of brewing is co2 so we have ways to capture that and add it to our reserves. so we will accelerate that to become carbon negative business. so accelerate that to become carbon negative business.— negative business. so that is a silver lining, _ negative business. so that is a silver lining, and _ negative business. so that is a silver lining, and acceleration l negative business. so that is a i silver lining, and acceleration to carbon neutrality which is fascinating. they have 50 staff coming off for —— furlough at the end of the month. the shortage of the drivers for hgv, i cannot stress enough what a difficult time this is for so many businesses, they need certainty and reliability in the elements that make up their business and they are not getting it. and that volatility is set to continue as a come out of the pandemic and ultimately for the consumers, it will not be a surprise that it will be impacting us through lack of availability and also an increase in prices. the government saying we will get over it as we get into the winter but it could be a long and expensive winter ahead. thank you, i have a feeling we will be talking about this in future. let's get a final look at the weather with matt. quite a nice bit of weather on the way, what's happening? goad quite a nice bit of weather on the way, what's happening? good morning, es, even way, what's happening? good morning, yes. even though _ way, what's happening? good morning, yes, even though the _ way, what's happening? good morning, yes, even though the look _ way, what's happening? good morning, yes, even though the look of _ way, what's happening? good morning, yes, even though the look of autumn i yes, even though the look of autumn is there and it is the autumn equinox is today, there is some summery weather around. north—west scotland has a different scene, you cannot see the hills in the distance because the low cloud is there. this is the rain band responsible, edging away from lewis and harris pushing across the highlands, torrential downpours with that for a while. coming up from the north—west, a breezy day here. southern and eastern scotland and northern ireland is dry but we will see some patchy rain later. it will be clear across most of central and eastern england. another day of warm sunshine, up to 23 degrees. way short of that in the far north of scotland, mid—teens but it will not feel like that, a breeze blowing. compared to the rain at the moment, much to in the afternoon. the evening rush hour, part of central, eastern and south—western scotland as well as the northern ireland area, out because of rain. england staying dry and sunny away from cloudy spots in the west. the winds are light it in the south. the wind will pick up for all but the strongest are severe gales in the north of scotland, rain coming and going. furthersound north of scotland, rain coming and going. further sound patchy drizzle, and another warm day. —— further south. a quick outlook for saturday if you are keeping your eyes on 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lovely. —3! are you practising your smile? i'm so hat- are you practising your smile? i'm so happy with —3! the chief executive of swim england says the future of the sport is under threat with 2000 swimming pools predicted to close by 2030. jane nickerson says the issue has been intensified by covid and she's calling for extra investment. joe wilson reports. marshall street baths were built for victorian london. preserved, improved and still used, exceptional. the big picture is bleak. swimming pools everywhere desperately need refurbishment or replacement, say swim england. it's a thing that keeps me absolutely awake at night. we know that by the end of this decade, we could lose 40% of our pool stock. that's 2000 swimming pools. put that in context, that's millions of people that will lose out doing this wonderful, wonderful activity, which is brilliant for everybody. covid has accelerated the especially with local authorities and the huge financial pressure. over 200 pools which closed in england alone during the pandemic haven't yet reopened. and yet in the summer, all this. we could get two medals, and can they be gold and silver? great britain's best ever swimming olympics, eight medals there. three times that number in the pool in the paralympics. what happened in tokyo began locally. northamptonshire's maisie summers—newton started swimming because there was a pool five minutes from her home. i always come back happy because it is my thing that i love, and i know so many people across the uk, no matter what age you are, ijust know that they enjoy it and that's the main thing. as long as you enjoy your sport. so i think without that, they mightjust feel a bit lost and some people won't have another sport to relate to, swimming is so good for them. and a deep breath for the financial reality. to restore the sport's facilities, swim england's request, £1 billion of central government funding. joe wilson, bbc news. over the past 18 months on breakfast, you'll remember we've been following the journeys of doddie weir, rob burrow and stephen darby, three former sports stars all living with motor neurone disease. they've become key campaigners, raising awareness of the incurable illness that afects up to 5,000 people in the uk. yesterday rob and stephen went to downing street, to deliver a letter calling for more funding for the condition. brea kfast�*s zoe conway was with them. a picture of dignity, courage and determination. stephen darby is handing in a petition calling on the government to put £50 million into research to fund new treatments for motor neurone disease. commentator: stephen darby, what a challenge this was. - this former professional footballer was diagnosed with it three years ago. it is such a brutal disease, its progress normally so rapid, that he is fortunate it has not yet taken away the use of his legs or his power of speech. what was going through your mind when you were standing in front of that door? really, where everything is at the minute. the hard work that has gone in from notjust everyone here today, but the support that we've had from hundreds and thousands of people. i can't thank them enough for their support. the other sports star here is former rugby league player rob burrow. at his side, his greatest champion, his father geoff, who came down to london with him from yorkshire. it must have been a bit of an ordeal to come down today. was it worth it? more than worth it. it was an ordeal, but a good ordeal. it has been marvellous. i never thought i would be... rob and myself would be outside 10 downing st. let's hope the petition works and makes a difference. the prime minister is not here. he is in new york. if he was here, what would you say to him? what this will mean to mnd sufferers and great hope — we are now on the brink of a meaningful treatment, so we need to get funds to help prolong life and find a cure. their friend, the former rugby union player doddie weir, should have been here, too, but he had to abandon his journey down after being pinged for being in contact with someone with covid. it is notjust the government they have been lobbying. there were meetings with prominent politicians, including the speaker of the house of commons, lindsay hoyle. thanks for what you do. you are getting the profile there and that is what really, really matters. and if anyone is going to fight, you are the fighter. you have been a champion all your life. keep it coming. the motor neurone disease association hopes that if the government finds £50 million in the budget this autumn, they can double it to 100 million with donations from charities and business. we need to fund motor neurone disease research all the way from understanding what causes it right at the very beginning, all the way through to developing new drugs and then testing those in patients. so those three components, that is called the translational pipeline, that whole pipeline of work is an expensive thing to do. is it a complete moonshot, this project? it is partly a moonshot, but, actually now is the time to do it, because we are making huge advances in motor neurone disease. usually, i have less than one clinical trial to offer my patients a year. right now, i've got about ten. what these campaigners achieved was surely more than make the case for funding. they inspired. as rob burrow likes to say, motor neurone disease might rob them of their legs, their voices and perhaps, one day, their ability to breathe, but it will never take away their spirit. zoe conway, bbc news. a little update, doddy weir was on his way to downing street but he was pinged, someone he knew was pinned on the nhs act, so he had to turn back. he on the nhs act, so he had to turn back. ., , ., ., ., ,, on the nhs act, so he had to turn back-— he on the nhs act, so he had to turn back. ., , ., ., ., ~' he is back. he has got to take care. he is ok. back. he has got to take care. he is 0k- before — back. he 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this, i have lost a third of a stone i this, i have lost a third of a stone already. my trousers are a little bit looser in the waste. i have been eating more food than anything else. i had four flapjacks yesterday. on top of my normal knee —— food. i said to nadia yesterday, food is key. said to nadia yesterday, food is ke . , said to nadia yesterday, food is ke _ ,, said to nadia yesterday, food is ke. ,, , key. she said, sally said i needed to feed you- _ key. she said, sally said i needed to feed you- i— key. she said, sally said i needed to feed you. i will— key. she said, sally said i needed to feed you. i will keep _ key. she said, sally said i needed to feed you. i will keep dancing i key. she said, sally said i needed | to feed you. i will keep dancing for a bit. keep eating! you're watching bbc breakfast. this is bbc news with the latest headlines: white house talks between borisjohnson and joe biden — but the us president has played down the prospect of brokering a free 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