it's good to talk: former england and arsenal star paul merson on his battles against addiction and the benefits of opening up about mental health. i have an illness that i have to keep under control today a time. when people don't talk and then when people start talking, i think it makes a difference to everything, football and life.— on the march: arsenal fans show their anger over their clubs involvement in the failed european super league ahead of their team's home defeat to everton. this exceptionally dry spell of april weather continues through the weekend. it is going to turn a bit coolerthough. if weekend. it is going to turn a bit cooler though. if you're looking for some rain, well, there is some in the forecast for next week but how much? i'll have the details later in the programme. good morning. it's saturday the 24th of april. our top story: india's supreme court says the country is facing a national emergency as its healthcare system buckles under a second wave of coronavirus patients. in the last few minutes, it's been confirmed that 2,600 people died in the last 2a hours and 348,000 new cases were recorded — a global record for the third day running. 0ur india correspondent yogita limaye reports from the emergency ward of a hospital in delhi. the front line. an emergency room in a covid—i9 hospital. just about standing under the weight of an unfolding disaster. a patient who is hardly breathing is brought in. to get past shortage of beds, they have in stretches, wheelchairs, as many as they can. but the first line of treatment against covid—i9 is oxygen. and they have almost run out. at this point, there isjust one hour of supply left. the staff knows how many lives hang in the balance. people are being turned away. but they don't know where they will find oxygen or a bed. the intensive care unit is full too. there are next to no icu beds in the city of 20 million.— city of 20 million. there is so a atient city of 20 million. there is so a patient who — city of 20 million. there is so a patient who needs _ city of 20 million. there is so a patient who needs an - city of 20 million. there is so a patient who needs an icu - city of 20 million. there is so a l patient who needs an icu comes city of 20 million. there is so a - patient who needs an icu comes to the casualty, right? 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public enquiry to be led by a judge. somebody needs to be held responsible for this. you put us through the courts when we have not done anything wrong. now it's up to you to put the people who put us there in the same position. justice works both ways. in a there in the same position. justice works both ways.— there in the same position. justice works both ways. in a statement, the chief executive _ works both ways. in a statement, the chief executive of _ works both ways. in a statement, the chief executive of the _ works both ways. in a statement, the chief executive of the post _ works both ways. in a statement, the chief executive of the post office - chief executive of the post office said: the lawyer representing most of the postmasters cleared says this could be just the beginning. postmasters cleared says this could bejust the beginning. tt is postmasters cleared says this could be just the beginning.— be just the beginning. it is such a damnin: be just the beginning. it is such a damning verdict _ be just the beginning. it is such a damning verdict on _ be just the beginning. it is such a damning verdict on post - be just the beginning. it is such a damning verdict on post offices i be just the beginning. it is such a l damning verdict on post offices and their practices that it opens the door for anybody that has been convicted because of horizon to come forward with confidence that that conviction could be overturned. so this could just be the first victory of many after the uk's most widespread miscarriage ofjustice. jon donnison, bbc news. the prime minister has been forced to defend himself against a blistering personal attack from his former chief adviser dominic cummings. mr cummings questioned boris johnson's competence and integrity in a written statement, in which he also denied claims that he'd leaked some of the pm's private messages to the media. number 10 has denied any wrongdoing. health regulators in the united states have approved restarting the rollout of the coronavirus vaccine made byjohnson & johnson. it was suspended earlier this month following reports of rare blood clots, but has now been approved by an advisory panel online. from the us, david willis reports. so the vote is ten in favour, four opposed. and one abstention. the motion carries.— opposed. and one abstention. the motion carries. having weighed the evidence, motion carries. having weighed the evidence. and _ motion carries. having weighed the evidence, and advisory _ motion carries. having weighed the evidence, and advisory panel - motion carries. having weighed the evidence, and advisory panel voted j evidence, and advisory panel voted to givejohnson &johnson a shot in the arm. to give johnson &johnson a shot in the arm. ., ., . . to give johnson &johnson a shot in the arm. ., ._ ., ., , the arm. today, after an extensive review of the _ the arm. today, after an extensive review of the available data, - the arm. today, after an extensive review of the available data, the i review of the available data, the fda and cdc are lifting the recommended pause on thejohnson & johnson orjansen covid—i9 vaccine. the pause is recommended due to a number of adverse events recorded after the janssen covid—i9 vaccine was administered. after the janssen covid-19 vaccine was administered.— was administered. those address events amount _ was administered. those address events amount to _ was administered. those address events amount to blood - was administered. those address events amount to blood clots, . events amount to blood clots, reported by a total of 15 women who had received thejohnson &johnson vaccine, three of whom subsequently died. but more than 7 million doses of the vaccine had been administered before distribution was suspended ii before distribution was suspended 11 days ago and health officials believe the benefits outweigh the risks. they have declared the singleshot vaccine safe and effective in combating covid—i9. 1&5 effective in combating covid-19. as of effective in combating covid—19. is of this past sunday, more than 50% of adult americans have had at least one vaccine shot. we still have a long way to go but that is an important marker of progress. president biden had said the fourth ofjuly, america's birthday, as a goal of getting the country back to normal and although the pfizer and moderna vaccines have been the mainstay here, the singleshot johnson &johnsonjab is mainstay here, the singleshot johnson &johnson jab is seen as vital in expanding the vaccination programme to rural areas. in their quest to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible, the administration could do without fears about side effects. the johnson &johnson vaccine will now carry a label, warning about the risk of blood clots. distribution could resume as early as this weekend. david willis, bbc news, los angeles. there are fears that an indonesian navy submarine which went missing off the coast of bali on wednesday has now run out of oxygen. six warships, a helicopter and 400 people have been trying to find the kri nanggala, which has a crew of 53 on board. a military spokesman said its oxygen supply would have run out nine hours ago. the wales manager ryan giggs will appear in court next week, charged with assaulting two women at his home last year. he's also accused of coercive or controlling behaviour. the former manchester united player said he would plead not guilty. ghislaine maxwell has appeared in court in new york on new charges it was her first appearance in person since being arrested last year. she pleaded not guilty to accusations of helping the convicted paedophile jeffrey epstein to recruit, groom and sexually abuse girls. firefighters in county down are continuing to tackle a large gorse fire. the blaze in the mourne mountains began in the early hours people are being urged to stay away from the area, as kevin sharkey reports. in one of the most scenic parts of northern ireland, devastation. the scale of the destruction visible from ground level but brought into sharp focus from the air. this from ground level but brought into sharp focus from the air.— sharp focus from the air. as you would imagine _ sharp focus from the air. as you would imagine with _ sharp focus from the air. as you would imagine with the - sharp focus from the air. as you would imagine with the mourne| would imagine with the mourne mountains the terrain is difficult for the crew to get up to so at this point it is probably one hour's walk for the crew to get up before they commence firefighting. the constant movement of — commence firefighting. the constant movement of the _ commence firefighting. the constant movement of the fire _ commence firefighting. the constant movement of the fire has _ commence firefighting. the constantj movement of the fire has challenged the firefighting efforts on the ground. the fire service is not asking anyone who had planned to come to the mournes this weekend to stay away from the newcastle side. we would particularly discourage any wildfire camping in that area, just for the risk of those individuals going up there-— for the risk of those individuals going up there. as night began to fall, the going up there. as night began to fall. the fire _ going up there. as night began to fall, the fire crews _ going up there. as night began to fall, the fire crews left _ going up there. as night began to fall, the fire crews left the - fall, the fire crews left the mountainside, rest before the battle against this fire resumes. kevin sharkey, bbc news, in the mourne mountains in county down. let's have a look at a few of today's front pages. this is the daily mail. "dom's all out war with the pm" is the daily mail headline, referring to those criticisms of borisjohnson by his former chief advisor dominic cummings. number 10 says ministers always obeyed codes of conduct and electoral law. the mirror's headline is "no apology" after it tracked down the manchester united co—owner avram glazer following the collapsed plan for a new european super league. the yorkshire post reports on calls for post office chiefs to face a public inquiry after the court of appeal quashed the convictions of 39 former postmasters who were prosecuted because of a faulty it system. and "smile! no masks by the summer" reports the daily express. the paper says face masks could be ditched this summer. and we'll be talking about that with dr chris smith and linda bauld just after 9 o'clock this morning. if you have any questions, get them in through the usual ways and we will put them to chris and linda. spotted anything inside? if people are aware, it is the oscars on sunday night into monday morning. neverfeels as big sunday night into monday morning. never feels as big a sunday night into monday morning. neverfeels as big a build up because it is all online, isn't it? yes, and a lot of speculation about how it will all work out in practice and obviously they are split between different places so in los angeles, people are in their homes. it is just not the same at all. but in amongst lots of these details, you may have heard some of these already and apologies if you have but for example, if they are talking to people from home, zooming or whatever, there is advice as to sartorial standards and what people should wear. and an e—mail to attendees, they say— and these may be for people who are attending the small events so a different kind of feel to it — they are saying they are aiming for a fusion of inspirational and aspirational clothing. ok? iwill leave inspirational and aspirational clothing. ok? i will leave you without thought for a moment so we all know exactly what that is, don't we? and formal is totally cool but casual is really not and, i will draw your attention to this, i don't know how everyone feels about so anthony hopkins, i am a huge fan. big fan. 83 and he was nominated at the baftas last weekend and he was going to appear on zoom and there was some kind of problem and he did not appear on zoom and he never did. he later explained he had been painting in his hotel room and had lost track of time. so he just was doing other things, frankly, which i think that makes a lot of sense. i have looked up aspirational clothing because i did not know what it was. aspirational and inspirational. inspirational i understand but aspirational, a brand or product which large segments of its exposure audiences wish to own but for economic reasons cannot so basically it is stuff that is too expensive for us. ok. there you go. the weather is free, always. and glorious. what is that behind you. it looks like we would sit and watch the sunrise go down.— the sunrise go down. absolutely. that is what _ the sunrise go down. absolutely. that is what you _ the sunrise go down. absolutely. that is what you could _ the sunrise go down. absolutely. that is what you could have - the sunrise go down. absolutely. that is what you could have done this morning if you were up early enough. this came from a weather watcher in the scottish highlands. a lovely sunrise there. no surprises on the weather will front this weekend. it remains dry. as long speu weekend. it remains dry. as long spell of dry april weather goes on. it will to cool as the weekend wears on. it is dry because of high pressure, no surprises there. the high is centred just to the north of the british isles at the moment. here winds around the area of high pressure will feed in some somewhat all there, particularly to southern and eastern areas as we had through tomorrow. as far as this morning goes, sunny skies for most. a bit of low cloud on the eastern coast of scotland at the moment, high cloud drifting through northern england that will get down into the midlands and east anglia and will tony spontana bit hazy at times, but generally speaking it's fine. long spells of sunshine. the highest temperatures across the western side of the uk. could get to 19 possibly across west wales, possibly 20 degrees, 20 in some spots in west wales yesterday. but if you are a sufferer of tree pollen, high tree pollen levels for many. a little lower across eastern and north—eastern parts, particular across the northern isles, will be more cloud and the odd shower. through this evening and tonight it stays predominantly dry. long clear spells. you can see more cloud lurking in the north sea. some of that will start to work its way in from the east. temperatures hovering close to freezing, could get below freezing for some showers what's in north—east scotland. for tomorrow we are expecting a bit more in the way of cloud. i don't think it will be completely grey, more cloud rolling into the eastern half of england particularly. further worst and further north—west we continue to see spells of sunshine. it will be quite windy down towards the south and south—west. with the wind starting to come in from the east we are going to start seeing temperatures coming down. maybe nine degrees in norwich tomorrow afternoon. perhaps getting up to 16 or 17 in glasgow. if you are looking for some rain and some people are, this should give you some hope, but it is only a little area of low pressure, a little frontal system just dropping down into the north of the uk for monday. that will bring showery rain across parts of scotland, but i think even here not everywhere will see rain and further south it is another dry day. temperatures continuing to drop just a little bit. if you are a gardener or a grower or a farmer and are looking for some rain, that wet weather putting from the north is going to die out as it sinks southwards. as you see from the capital city forecast, to give you an indication, not an awful lot of rain getting down towards the south, maybe the odd shower through tuesday and wednesday. in the week had the emphasis remains on dry weather, not particularly warm. those temperatures if anything dipping away. if you are planning to get out and about this weekend the dry weather probably good news for you. back to you. weather probably good news for you. itack to you-— back to you. thank you very much. see ou back to you. thank you very much. see you later— back to you. thank you very much. see you later on. _ back to you. thank you very much. see you later on. gorgeous - back to you. thank you very much. | see you later on. gorgeous weather here but you can dream of travel at least with the travel show. hello and welcome to this week's travel show. hello and welcome to this week's travelshow. i'm hello and welcome to this week's travel show. i'm in london this week, basically because we can't go anywhere, but we are still hoping that we will be allowed to get out on the road again very soon. until then, we are taking the opportunity to ask some big questions about travel. last time, we were asking if the pandemic will change the way we all travel in the future. this week, we are looking at how we have been waiting months and months to get our refunds. as businesses wait for travel. the way holidays work can be quite shocking to people. we will see more and more airlines going bust. something has to give. travel is a massive global industry. back in 2019, global tourism revenue amounted to nearly us$i.5 trillion. that's the equivalent of about half of the uk's entire goods and services. for decades, the travel industry has operated in a distinctive way. a model has developed in which money is taken in advance of people going on holiday, helping to fund other operations in the short term. everything about that works fine, as long as people keep buying holidays. but what if, say, a global crisis comes along? when lots of people can't take trips, and they want their money back, the cash has already been spent. and with so few new bookings coming in, there are delays in refunds, or worse. during covid—i9, this is one of the factors that lead to issues in getting money back to customers properly. you would expect any business to have savings in the bank, and yet, so much of the travel industry, when this structure, seemed like there was almost nothing left. i feel like the public trust in the travel industry has eroded. a lot of people are still waiting on refunds to this day and a lot of people feel like businesses have put profit over people, so i think it will take a long time before people can trust businesses again. i hope this will change a lot, not only by putting customers we was money in trust, but governments are starting to look at the impact this is having on consumers. some of us who booked through online travel agents, companies which themselves were left waiting for refunds to be signed off by airlines, had to wait before they could then pass them back onto us. the influence of these online middlemen is another thing that has had an impact on how the finances of the travel industry operate. out sawmill cove hotel on england's south coast, the been preparing for the return to work after the latest lockdown. we are a small family hotel set in south devon. we have 22 bedrooms, we have two self catering units, a lovely restaurant, an outside dining area which we have just extended. it's a challenge to get things there. we often referred as a hidden gem, which is lovely a customer, but of course, in the interest of being a successful business, we want everyone to know about us. online travel agents or, otas, like booking.com, expedia, and tripadvisor have helped hotels get noticed and help travellers shop around for good deals. but there are some downsides, too. we've taken quite the brave move to step away from what i would consider the biggest otas more recently. and that was for a number of reasons, really. well, for hotels, one of the main ways is that otas have an arrangement to have access to sell certain number of the rooms, all of them, in lots of cases. the otas would charge a commission for every room they sell. it ranges to 25%. when rate parity comes in, it's different around the world, but generally speaking, hotels are not allowed to offer cheaper rates than the otas. hotels struggle to get customers to book direct, in face of competition from otas. our last proper year of trading, and we were spending upwards of £30,000 per year in commissions to booking agents, which is a huge amount, considering we are only a small hotel, and margins are already very, very tight. so, it is of course a huge part of our decision to move away from otas. ultimately of margins are continually being screes that it is difficult for us to continue doing what we're doing squeezed. it's not a compromise we are willing to make. and for some, the cost of convenience means that us travellers will have to pay more. previous research that we have carried out has found that in the uk, this has raised prices anything up to 10— across—the—board, so anything you are saving in shopping around, unfortunately, is being passed on because of this generally raise. our advice, and we have back this up with research as well as, if you contact the accommodation directly, notjust the uk but europe or anywhere you are, you will almost certainly be given a better deal. it helps you get around those rate parity issues. but it was aviation that held a lot of the travel headlines during the pandemic. confusion and delays over refunds once again caused concern, but then questions were raised as to whether they could see out the crisis. the impact very much depended on the government support. different governments provided different levels of support for the aviation industry and for the travel industry as a whole. theoretically, most airlines should have had enough money in the bank to see them through 6—8 months of any sort of situation like this. for a wide variety of reasons. but the difficulties the airlines have faced to survive the covid—i9 pandemic could have big implications on the cost for flying in the future. i think one of the worst things that is likely to come out of the pandemic is an increase in the cost of flying long haul again, because we have seen so many budget carriers either go under or significantly trim their roots. that is really true of the whole world, and it was happening before the pandemic, the pandemic exacerbated it. it could be that all of the disruptions to the industry caused by the pandemic will have a long lasting impact on all of our travels. i think after a year of this pandemic, travellers are going to feel more power, you will find people more willing and more keen to actually read the fine print and understand the terms and conditions and know their rights and protections. well, i'm sure many of you are like me, itching to get out there, exploring again. but while we're staying at home, and staying safe, we've gathered together a few ideas to maybe satisfy your wanderlust a little. here is this week's virtual global guide. may 5th marked 200 years since the death of napoleon bonaparte. and to mark the occasion, there is a day of virtual events planned, including events streamed from saint helena, the location of his exile for the last five years of his life. you can learn more about the island and watch the proceedings on the napoleon 200 website. looking back even further, almost 2,000 years into the past, an old roman temple has been given a digital makeover. the baalbek ruins has been rebuilt digitally and you can have a virtual tour of. a tour guide is available to download on tablets, smartphones and virtual reality headsets. and the cherry blossom might have arrived earlier this year, but arigatou tourers provide virtual tours around japan. you can sample the spectacle of mount fuji. and the company plans to continue these online tours even after the pandemic is over, a sign that perhaps virtual travel could be here to stay? well, that's all we've got time for. but join well, that's all we've got time for. butjoin us next week when we take a look back at some of our all—time favourite city breaks. look back at some of our all-time favourite city breaks.— look back at some of our all-time favourite city breaks. here we go. from our art _ favourite city breaks. here we go. from our art exploration - favourite city breaks. here we go. from our art exploration around l favourite city breaks. here we go. l from our art exploration around the new york subway to our trip on board karachi's most colourful tour bus. there is just so karachi's most colourful tour bus. there isjust so much more to karachi and we know. it there isjust so much more to karachi and we know.- there isjust so much more to karachi and we know. it looks like that'll be a _ karachi and we know. it looks like that'll be a good _ karachi and we know. it looks like that'll be a good one. _ karachi and we know. it looks like that'll be a good one. in - karachi and we know. it looks like that'll be a good one. in the - that'll be a good one. in the meantime, you can catch up with all our past episodes on bbc iplayer and you can also keep up with us online. but until next time, from me that he had obtained, and all the travel show team at our home here in london, it's bye—bye. hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. most of us have been enjoying a bit more freedom recently, butjust imagine if you'd been stuck at home since the first lockdown, more than a year ago. that's the reality for thousands of children with complex health conditions who currently can't get a vaccine unless their gp decides they should get one. our health correspondent dominic hughes has been speaking to two families who have been fighting for a jab, 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erson i it has taken. noah is the strongest person i know _ it has taken. noah is the strongest person i know and _ it has taken. noah is the strongest person i know and this is _ person i know and this is a great truth this is breaking him a bit. all right, george. george is 13 years old and lives with a rare and dangerous form of epilepsy that has left him with a host of health problems and a covid—i9 infection could be lethal. it has been terrifying so _ could be lethal. it has been terrifying so we _ could be lethal. it has been terrifying so we have - could be lethal. it has been terrifying so we have not i could be lethal. it has been l terrifying so we have not left could be lethal. it has been - terrifying so we have not left the house. fist terrifying so we have not left the house. �* ., terrifying so we have not left the house-- at _ terrifying so we have not left the house.- at all. _ terrifying so we have not left the house.- at all. what - terrifying so we have not left 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vaccine. for noah, it is a very different story. before the pandemic, noah, seen in the middle, wasjust starting the pandemic, noah, seen in the middle, was just starting to enjoy the independence of a young teenager. born with a damaged trachea or windpipe, and one a cough or cold can become very serious. but he is yet to have a jab. the or cold can become very serious. but he is yet to have a jab.— he is yet to have a 'ab. the worst thin has he is yet to have a 'ab. the worst thing has been — he is yet to have a jab. the worst thing has been the _ he is yet to have a jab. the worst thing has been the loneliness. i he is yet to have a jab. the worst - thing has been the loneliness. yeah. and the exclusion. _ thing has been the loneliness. yeah. and the exclusion. yeah. _ thing has been the loneliness. yeah. and the exclusion. yeah. i _ thing has been the loneliness. yeah. and the exclusion. yeah. i don't. .. l and the exclusion. yeah. i don't. .. i feel different. _ and the exclusion. yeah. i don't. .. i feel different. it's _ and the exclusion. yeah. i don't. .. i feel different. it'sjust _ and the exclusion. yeah. i don't. .. i feel different. it'sjust me. - and the exclusion. yeah. i don't. .. i feel different. it'sjust me. the i i feel different. it's 'ust me. the vaccine rollout _ i feel different. it's 'ust me. the vaccine rollout has _ i feel different. it'sjust me. tta: vaccine rollout has meant an end to isolation for thousands of adults but for children, it is different. only a gp or hospital consultant can authorise the use of a vaccine in vulnerable children and for noah, it hasn't happened. it vulnerable children and for noah, it hasn't happened.— vulnerable children and for noah, it hasn't happened. it leaves me inside still. what can _ hasn't happened. it leaves me inside still. what can i — hasn't happened. it leaves me inside still. what can i do? _ hasn't happened. it leaves me inside still. what can | do? | _ hasn't happened. it leaves me inside still. what can i do? i can _ hasn't happened. it leaves me inside still. what can i do? i can stay - hasn't happened. it leaves me inside still. what can i do? i can stay in - still. what can i do? i can stay in or go out and risked catching it and get very ill, there is no choice. it intensifies the feeling that i have been forgotten about. there could be more effort made to get more children back to school but i don't think effort has been put in. parents complain the government's guidance is unclear and some gps are worried about prescribing a vaccine thatis worried about prescribing a vaccine that is unlicensed for children. george's doctor agreed he should have the vaccine so now, he is free to head back to school. faith. have the vaccine so now, he is free to head back to school.— to head back to school. oh, the relief! just _ to head back to school. oh, the relief! just for _ to head back to school. oh, the relief! just for george - to head back to school. oh, the relief! just for george to - to head back to school. oh, the relief! just for george to be - to head back to school. oh, the relief! just for george to be a i to head back to school. oh, the l relief! just for george to be a boy again. relief! just for george to be a boy aaain. �* , ., , ., ., , again. but george is living a really fun, aood again. but george is living a really fun. good life. _ again. but george is living a really fun, good life, and _ again. but george is living a really fun, good life, and that's - again. but george is living a really fun, good life, and that's gone - again. but george is living a really| fun, good life, and that's gone and yeah. _ fun, good life, and that's gone and yeah. hesm — fun, good life, and that's gone and yeah, he's... he's... it�*s fun, good life, and that's gone and yeah, he's... he's...— yeah, he's... he's... it's tough. it sounds really _ yeah, he's... he's... it's tough. it sounds really tough. _ yeah, he's... he's... it's tough. it sounds really tough. yeah. - yeah, he's... he's... it's tough. it sounds really tough. yeah. you i yeah, he's... he's... it's tough. it. sounds really tough. yeah. you can tell the impact _ sounds really tough. yeah. you can tell the impact of that _ sounds really tough. yeah. you can tell the impact of that and - sounds really tough. yeah. you can tell the impact of that and thank you to emma and her son noah. and melanie and george for sharing their experiences and stories with dominic hughes. we will be talking about that issue more in the programme so do please get in touch if it has affected your family as well. we've become used to quiet football stadia over the past year because of fans being locked out, but this week a special tournament took place where players also remained silent. the idea was to show the importance of talking for our mental health, and the event was supported by the former arsenal and england midfielder paul merson, who has been open about his own struggles. graham satchell went to see the teams in action. whistle blows. football in silence, it is unnerving, unnatural. these five a games organised by public and mental health charity calm. bingoal, former and england legend paul merson, who was always vocal when he played. merson, who was always vocal when he ala ed. ., , , , merson, who was always vocal when he -la ed. , , ., merson, who was always vocal when he laed. , , ., ,, played. players use to get upset with me because with constantly calling for the ball even if i was not supposed to get it because i wanted to play football, i loved playing. . wanted to play football, i loved -la inc. ., , wanted to play football, i loved alaina, ., ,, wanted to play football, i loved - in. ., ,, wanted to play football, i loved playing. , group passes flicked on, teed u- playing. , group passes flicked on, teed up and _ playing. , group passes flicked on, teed up and merson _ playing. , group passes flicked on, teed up and merson to _ playing. , group passes flicked on, teed up and merson to shoot! - playing. , group passes flicked on, teed up and merson to shoot! i - playing. , group passes flicked on, | teed up and merson to shoot! i goal for arsenal— teed up and merson to shoot! i goal for arsenal coming just when they needed _ for arsenal coming just when they needed it! — for arsenal coming 'ust when they needed it! ,, .. , , for arsenal coming 'ust when they needed it! ,, .. ,, ., , . ., needed it! success on the pitch to deduct sickness, _ needed it! success on the pitch to deduct sickness, he _ needed it! success on the pitch to deduct sickness, he was - needed it! success on the pitch to deduct sickness, he was addicted | needed it! success on the pitch to l deduct sickness, he was addicted to drink, drugs, gambling and at one point in the 90s he contemplated taking his own life. you point in the 90s he contemplated taking his own life.— point in the 90s he contemplated taking his own life. you know, i'm -la in: taking his own life. you know, i'm playing for— taking his own life. you know, i'm playing for arsenal _ taking his own life. you know, i'm playing for arsenal and _ taking his own life. you know, i'm playing for arsenal and for - taking his own life. you know, i'm| playing for arsenal and for england and i'm having these thoughts in my head. i'm thinking if i go and tell someone this, i'm finished. i'm going to be locked up, put in a straitjacket, this is not normal. 50 straitjacket, this is not normal. so for years, paul merson stayed silent and suffered. on another pitch, at leg, who became seriously depressed when he was at university. it completely absolved my mind in terms of oppression and i could not see any future for myself going forward and that was very scary and also very, very tough for me and my family —— matt legg. very, very tough for me and my family -- matt legg.— very, very tough for me and my family -- matt legg. these games of silent football _ family -- matt legg. these games of silent football have _ family -- matt legg. these games of silent football have been _ family -- matt legg. these games of silent football have been put - family -- matt legg. these games of silent football have been put on - family -- matt legg. these games of silent football have been put on to i silent football have been put on to showjust how silent football have been put on to show just how weird silent football have been put on to showjust how weird it is when people don't talk, don't even celebrate. it people don't talk, don't even celebrate-— people don't talk, don't even celebrate. it was impossible, football is — celebrate. it was impossible, football is all _ celebrate. it was impossible, football is all about - celebrate. it was impossible, - football is all about communication and when you cannot communicate you feel like a stranger reflecting on it in a real—life sense is really important. it in a real-life sense is really important-— it in a real-life sense is 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suffer in silence and they don't reach — need to suffer in silence and they don't reach out _ need to suffer in silence and they don't reach out and _ need to suffer in silence and they don't reach out and start - need to suffer in silence and they don't reach out and start the - don't reach out and start the journey— don't reach out and start the journey to— don't reach out and start the journey to help _ don't reach out and start the journey to help themselves, | don't reach out and start the - journey to help themselves, get the recovery— journey to help themselves, get the recovery they — journey to help themselves, get the recovery they deserve, _ journey to help themselves, get the recovery they deserve, and - journey to help themselves, get the recovery they deserve, and so - journey to help themselves, get the recovery they deserve, and so by i recovery they deserve, and so by playing _ recovery they deserve, and so by playing today _ recovery they deserve, and so by playing today and _ recovery they deserve, and so by playing today and showing - recovery they deserve, and so by playing today and showing kind i recovery they deserve, and so byl playing today and showing kind of the power— playing today and showing kind of the power of— playing today and showing kind of the power of silence _ playing today and showing kind of the power of silence and - the power of silence and highlighting _ the power of silence and highlighting how- the power of silence and . highlighting how important communication _ highlighting how important communication is, - highlighting how important communication is, i- highlighting how important communication is, i think. highlighting how important - communication is, i think hopefully, it will— communication is, i think hopefully, it will reach — communication is, i think hopefully, it will reach the _ communication is, i think hopefully, it will reach the people _ communication is, i think hopefully, it will reach the people and - communication is, i think hopefully, it will reach the people and make i it will reach the people and make sure they— it will reach the people and make sure they realise _ it will reach the people and make sure they realise it _ it will reach the people and make sure they realise it is _ it will reach the people and make sure they realise it is absolutely. sure they realise it is absolutely 0k and — sure they realise it is absolutely 0k and they _ sure they realise it is absolutely 0k and they deserve _ sure they realise it is absolutely 0k and they deserve to - sure they realise it is absolutely 0k and they deserve to get i sure they realise it is absolutelyj 0k and they deserve to get help sure they realise it is absolutely- 0k and they deserve to get help and speak— 0k and they deserve to get help and speak out— 0k and they deserve to get help and speak out and — speak out and encourage the conversation amongst - speak out and encourage the conversation amongst their. speak out and encourage the i conversation amongst their friends and family— conversation amongst their friends and family and _ conversation amongst their friends and family and help _ conversation amongst their friends and family and help them - conversation amongst their friends and family and help them on i conversation amongst their friends and family and help them on the i conversation amongst their friends i and family and help them on the road to living _ and family and help them on the road to living a _ and family and help them on the road to living a happy— and family and help them on the road to living a happy and _ and family and help them on the road to living a happy and regular- and family and help them on the road to living a happy and regular life. i to living a happy and regular life. watch _ to living a happy and regular life. watch out — to living a happy and regular life. watch out for _ to living a happy and regular life. watch out for adriano! _ to living a happy and regular life. watch out for adriano! in - to living a happy and regular life. watch out for adriano!— to living a happy and regular life. watch out for adriano! in the second half, watch out for adriano! in the second half. normal — watch out for adriano! in the second half, normal service _ watch out for adriano! in the second half, normal service is _ watch out for adriano! in the second half, normal service is resumed i watch out for adriano! in the second half, normal service is resumed and | half, normal service is resumed and there is plenty of shouting. matt was helped through his depression by talking, firstly to his cousin ian and then getting professional help. together they have set up a football club called fc not alone to help men with their problems. paul merson also eventually got help. t with their problems. paul merson also eventually got help.- with their problems. paul merson also eventually got help. i have an illness. i know— also eventually got help. i have an illness. i know today _ also eventually got help. i have an illness. i know today that - also eventually got help. i have an illness. i know today that i - also eventually got help. i have an illness. i know today that i have i also eventually got help. i have an | illness. i know today that i have an illness. i know today that i have an illness that i need to keep under control a day at a time. i am a nice person, i am a good person. before i used to feel i was a bad person and that was not me, that was my illness. when people don't talk and then when people start talking, i think it makes a difference to everything — football and life. you know, with life as well, you have to talk. you know, i have it on the back of myjumper here a problem shared is a problem halved and it is so true, it is so true.— so true, it is so true. suicide remains _ so true, it is so true. suicide remains the _ so true, it is so true. suicide remains the biggest - so true, it is so true. suicide remains the biggest killer i so true, it is so true. suicide remains the biggest killer of| so true, it is so true. suicide i remains the biggest killer of men under 45 in the uk. the message here is a simple but powerful micro through don't suffer in silence. —— — don't suffer in silence. graham satchell, bbc news. picking up on the sporting theme now with mike and we have seen a few footballers and other sports stars speaking out and it is always good. it is good but quite strange to see a match played in silence but a good way of raising the issues but certainly no silence with the fans. the super league issues continue and of course we will wait to see if there are sanctions of punishment for the clubs but their fans are calling matters —— taking matters into their own hands, calling for action they want to see and this was the day at tottenham. on a day when the chelsea owner said he deeply regretted his club signing up to the doomed super league, the tottenham hotspur supporters trust last night called for their clubs board to resign, claiming the relationship with them to be irreparably broken. and before that, hundreds of arsenal fans marched past the emirates before the game against everton, many singing "we want our arsenal back" and calling for majority shareholder owner stan kroenke to leave. the gunners were one of the 12 founding members of the esl, before withdrawing on tuesday. sta n stan kroenke is the owner of arsenal does not care about the club at all and it is the same for all clubs in england and we need as many people as possible here to make a stand against owners who don't care about the club. we against owners who don't care about the club. ~ ., ., ., the club. we need him gone now and someone knew _ the club. we need him gone now and someone knew who _ the club. we need him gone now and someone knew who cares _ the club. we need him gone now and someone knew who cares about i the club. we need him gone now and someone knew who cares about the i someone knew who cares about the club who _ someone knew who cares about the club who is— someone knew who cares about the club who is going to put money back in. , , , club who is going to put money back in. everybody is so upset about it and i in. everybody is so upset about it and i think— in. everybody is so upset about it and i think they _ in. everybody is so upset about it and i think they are _ in. everybody is so upset about it and i think they are trying i in. everybody is so upset about it and i think they are trying to i in. everybody is so upset about it. and i think they are trying to make and i think they are trying to make a stand _ and i think they are trying to make a stand and — and i think they are trying to make a stand and see _ and i think they are trying to make a stand and see if— and i think they are trying to make a stand and see if we _ and i think they are trying to make a stand and see if we can- and i think they are trying to make a stand and see if we can get- and i think they are trying to make a stand and see if we can get him. a stand and see if we can get him outand— a stand and see if we can get him out and get — a stand and see if we can get him out and get someone _ a stand and see if we can get him out and get someone in - a stand and see if we can get him out and get someone in the i a stand and see if we can get him out and get someone in the club. a stand and see if we can get him i out and get someone in the club who is willing _ out and get someone in the club who is willing to _ is willing to put money in, invested in the _ is willing to put money in, invested in the club, — is willing to put money in, invested in the club, and _ is willing to put money in, invested in the club, and players, _ is willing to put money in, invested in the club, and players, and - is willing to put money in, invested in the club, and players, and take i in the club, and players, and take us forward — the arsenal players arrived early for the match to avoid the protests and manager mikel arteta said he understood the reason for them, but said it was no excuse for a sorry night for his team on the pitch. everton won 1—0. the goal came towards the end and was an own goal by gunners keeper bernd leno, who fumbled the ball into his own net. everton are three points off the champions league places. they certainly benefited from the error. the snooker gods did the right thing, says ronnie o'sullivan, after his hopes of winning a record—equalling seventh world title were ended. he's out of the world championship after losing to anthony mcgill in the second round. the match went the distance but it was mcgill who held his nerve, winning 13 frames to 12. you could say it is the one that has got away but there were six they did not get away so it is how you want to look at it, you know, i have 120 majors or whatever it is and got every record in the book apart from obviously the most world titles but you know if i can keep the mindset that i have been working on with steve peters the last few days, i just want to enjoy my snoker you know because i have not really been enjoying it you know i feel like i have been playing pretty poor and i find it hard to enjoy it if i don't play well. it's winner takes all today in the women's six nations as england and france meet to decide who is this season's champions. england enjoyed big wins over scotland and italy, but will be wary of a french side who've also enjoyed high scoring victories to reach the decider. it's live on bbc two. kick off at 2 o'clock. they've obviously been going really well and the result kind of speak for themselves and they have back in a few of their seven skills which no doubt bolster that squad and they seemingly at the moment have a huge amount of debt as well in terms of the players they have been able to use in the first few rounds so we are under no doubts about the challenge of the weekend but it is going to be really good challenge for us —— depths. defending champions exeter have kept alive their hopes of finishing top of the table in rugby union's premiership — that's after they beat leaders bristol 20 points to 12 at ashton gate. tom o'flaherty with the second of three tries for exeter with the win moving them eight points behind bristol. it was once again a step too far for britain's cameron norrie against rafa nadal at the barcelona open. the spaniard had too much class on the clay and won their quarter—final in straight sets 6—1, 6—4. nadal is aiming to win the competition for a 12th time. britain'sjessica gadirova won bronze in the all—around final at the european gymnastics championships in basel. this was her senior international debut and she came third with an impressive score in the vault to claim her place on the podium behind 15—year—old viktoria listunova of russia. fellow brit amelie morgan finished 4th. iam i am enjoying that technique. it is incredible, every time i see it. organisers of the forthcoming hundred cricket competition have opted to stick with tradition, and not change the term �*wickets' when someone is out for �*outs'. the new hundred begins injuly. the ecb had been trying to find ways to make cricket more accessible to newcomers, but they've decided to keep the original terminology. so a batter can be described as �*out�* but a team will have �*lost a wicket�*, as is currently the case. that woke you up, didn't it, when i shouted out! it absolutely did not but controversially i liked the whole idea of out because i think the wicket when you look at the wicket, people talk about the wicket and its, i don't know, very dry wicket or whatever and i think it is confusing and an out is clear. but i like to see a wicket in the cricket because it rhymes. most fans i think object to the change but it is good you have that opinion. i think if you have that opinion. i think if you are trying to attract people... maybe you are like the younger generation. maybe we don't know that is true. how about this? now it's a big prize in baseball — if you're in the stands and you can catch the ball, you can keep it. so this is the moment one dad was dreaming of. it's a big hit — a home run from eugenio suarez for cincinnati reds. what what happens, he drops it, spills his food, rips his trousers, goes over the chair and gets up, he has now lost a shoe and someone else has now lost a shoe and someone else has the ball and he has to tell his son why it happened. his son is not happy. dad! what happens there! you see the slow motion replay, all of the food gone, trying to get the ball and someone else picks it up. you think the other fan would give him the ball after all of that. it is agony to watch. can we see it again? i tell you what is even better? this is how it's done. kole calhoun from the arizona diamondbacks has a catch stolen from him by a lad at his first ever baseball match. the fan was entitled to go for the ball as it was over the barrier, but denies calhoun a catch and an out. if he had taken it the guy at the base would have been out. he took it in good spirits, though. he was quite a celebrity afterward. i like the baseball player stood there and kind of groaned and then gave him the fist bump. great respect for the fan because he did well to get it. you see the player coming towards you but you have the coolness to take the catch. yeah, i've got it. first ever match! thank you, see you later. it is time for a look at the weather.— you, see you later. it is time for a look at the weather. good morning, charlie, look at the weather. good morning, charlie. good _ look at the weather. good morning, charlie, good morning, _ look at the weather. good morning, charlie, good morning, naga. in i look at the weather. good morning, charlie, good morning, naga. in a l charlie, good morning, naga. in a word it is going to be dry. no surprises after a dry april so far. we have beautiful scenes to start off this morning from our weather watchers. that was the scene in jersey and this from north yorkshire. you can see a little more cloud lurking out in the north sea. that will come into play as we had through the weekend, particularly tomorrow, more out in the mid—. it will turn cooler but generally it is dry because of high pressure. the high currently centred to the north of the british isles. but around that area of high pressure, particularfor that area of high pressure, particular for eastern end tomorrow into southern and eastern parts we will draw some somewhat cooler air in, so temperatures are going to do. this is how we starting off. most places with it sunshine. low cloud for some eastern coast of scotland, parts of north—east england, an area of high cloud will drift out of northern england into the midlands and east anglia, that'll turn the sunshine a bit hazy. a future was possibly across shetland, otherwise a beautiful day. 2a the channel islands in the south—west of england, the highest temperatures will be found across west wales, north—west england, maybe western scotland, western counties, northern ireland, up to 19 possibly 20 in one or two places, but if you are a sufferer from tree pollen, or two places, but if you are a suffererfrom tree pollen, high levels for most of during today. through this evening and tonight it does stay predominantly dry. we will see more in the way of our building in across the eastern half of england down into the midlands as well stop most places will avoid getting below freezing. we may drop low freezing for some parts of north east scotland as the night was on. into tomorrow, generally more in the way of cloud. it will not be completely overcast. we will see more cloud filtering in particularly through parts of england, maybe into is wales as well. still quite windy down towards the south. with the wind coming in from the east, that is where we will start to feel the effect of some somewhat cooler air. slightly lower temperature is across a good part of england and wales tomorrow, particular was the east coast, highest values were northern ireland and was lauchlan up to 17 or 18 degrees. a mainly dry we can. many people are looking for some rain, gardeners, growers, farmers. this little weather system living in from the north from monday promises some rain, but they really do mean some rain, probably not a lot. some showery rain putting down across scotland, the gel for northern england, northern scotland, temperatures again a little bit lower. if you are looking for rain down towards the south they don't think you will see an awful lot, maybe some showers through tuesday and wednesday, many places will avoid them. lots of dry weather through the week ahead, if anything the temperatures have further to fall, turning a little cooler. if you want to get out and about the weekend looks cool and dry. charlie, naga, back to you.— time now for the latest technology news. here's this week's edition of click. hey, welcome to click! we're going to start with a quiz this week. we're going to play a game of guess the famous face! using possibly the freakiest faces that you've seen in awhile. they are pretty disturbing, aren't they, lara? they certainly are. although i have to say that the end result is not quite as scary as the process of actually of making them. ok, so this may very well be something that you cannot unsee, but here we go! 0k. who is this? and who's this? and who is this? crikey! right, well, while you ponder, let me tell you that this is what happens when you ask an al to generate fake faces based on other faces. are you ready? here come the answers. the first one is a blend of lara and me. so odd! i think it is more you than me, to be honest. i think it is more you than me! really? i don't know. ok, the next one is chris fox and omar mehtab. and this is our oz and our kitty. goodness. i think the really odd bit is actually seeing the progression from one person into another. now, this is a really weird, fun thing that has come out of the really serious issue that we are going to be talking about for the rest of the programme, and that is the fact that computers have got much, much better at recognising faces — but not all faces. especially faces that aren't white. 2020 highlighted many inequalities in how we treat each other as humans. inequalities in who could afford to shelter from the virus and who had no choice but to physically go to work. and inequalities in how we are treated by the authorities. the killing of george floyd, the protests that followed and this week's conviction of derek chauvin have reminded us all that racism still exists in our societies, and we all need work together to truly root it out. and it is against this backdrop that we are going to be looking at biases in technology — an industry which has often been criticised for coding our prejudices into its products. so it needs to get things right, right? well, craig langran from the bbc radio programme, people fixing the world, has been looking at how we can create facial recognition systems that work for everyone. facial recognition is slowly seeping into everything we do. while it can be a convenient way of interacting with tech for some, it has been creating problems for others. you know those passport gates at the airport? well, the thing is for me, they often don't work as well as they should. sometimes it can take me several goes before i finally get through, and sometimes they don't even seem it's a little bit annoying and i'm never quite sure what is going on, or why. but at least the issue at the gates is not affecting my livelihood. i travelled to meet sahir — he wanted to remain anonymous, so we've given him a different name. he lost his job overnight. uber introduced this face—recognition technology. they sent messages out, saying that "occasionally we are going to ask you to take a selfie of yourself". they compare against the profile picture you have got on there. so it is quite dark and i had a cap on and i took a selfie and i got an e—mail about 11 o'clock, saying "your account has been deactivated due to not being recognised. we have chosen to end our partnership with you. i hope you understand this." you know, iwas shocked at the time — i did not know what to do. sahir has since sent dozens of messages to uber eats, and he has got a similar generic response each time. he asked for his case to be reviewed and whether it would be acceptable if the mcdonald's manager where he usually picks his deliveries up from could vouch for him. he got nowhere. so all of these messages were sent by you? mmm—hmm. and that's the first message that got back? yeah, but as you can see, it's a generic message. uber says it believes the picture provided to its system... an assertion sahir denies. when he pleaded with the company to be able to appeal the decision, and asked for a review of his file, uber told him the decision was final. five months on, sahir is still waiting for a response to his letter that he sent to holland, where uber�*s appeal team is based. since we have taken on his case, uber has agreed to share the image captured on the night of the incident. so 22 of our members have been dismissed by uber eats for substitution, and that is through a facial recognition software system that uber eats use. of that figure, 12 of them were bame and four of those were from a brazilian—portuguese heritage. we've since spoken to another union who have said that their members, too, have faced similar issues. so basically, uber launched a new system to check the real—time id. they have blocked my account for — on that time. it's very bad for me because i have no other source of income. in a statement, uber said: these stories show us just how crucial it is to get this right. these systems have got to be robust, and they've got to work for everyone. a key part of the problem is often within the data sets these algorithms have been trained on. they are often built from images scraped from the web — images of celebrities in the media or pictures on social networks. even our data sets predicting a wedding dress will show, you know, the western christian wedding as the prediction for that, because it's very heavily influenced by western media. so as a result of that — of course, western media, it is not very diverse, does not feature people of colour in a lot of tv shows. the problem with doing it this way is there's no real way of controlling the diversity of the people so you'll often end up with a data set that's overly white and overly male. so now some companies are hoping that al itself could just be the answer to solving the problem, using the might of something called generative adversarial networks, or gans for short. to see how it works, we have embarked on a little experiment. these are the faces of the click team which we have fed directly into an off—the—shelf gan software from nvidia. on the right is the image of the person the software already knows and we are on the left. the algorithm starts by comparing the facial features it knows to the new image that it's looking at. after hundreds of iterations, it's able to work out what makes that face look the way it does — at least mathematically, anyway. once we have this digital replica, we can start playing around with different features. we can fiddle with age, ethnicity and mix faces, but most importantly, create people that don't exist at all. this technology is used to create large databases of fake faces, which is then used to train facial recognition systems. but creating faces in this way is not enough. if you want to create something that works and treats everyone more equally, the real images you feed into the gan have to be representative of life. after all, we would not be looking straight into a camera in the real world. this is a photo shoot by generated photos in the us, a company specialising in creating gan images. it spent several months taking pictures of thousands of people. these models were specifically chosen for their diversity, but they are also being captured doing all sorts of things. so do you think that gans can totally eliminate bias in an area like facial recognition? totally is probably a very strong term, but i think they can mitigate significantly, yes, i think so. i would say that if you do collect more real data, if you are able to do that, then you should do that. this technique should optimise how these systems work, but what is more important are the people behind the code. the reality is that technology always reflects the biases that exist in society. and just changing facial recognition tools to make them more accurate isn't going to change that. how did it feel back in october when you realised that you were going to lose your livelihood? it was horrible, i can't even explain it. sleepless nights, things were going on in my head. what am i going to do now, how am i going to survive? stories like sahir�*s show us just how important it is to have people on the other side that you can easily talk to and reason with. ethical debates around how these technologies are used and deployed need to continue, and life—impacting decisions shouldn't be left to machines alone. and we have much more on the subject of ai bias in the full—length version of click, which you can find on iplayer. and as ever, you can keep up with the team on social media. find us on youtube, instagram, facebook and twitter @bbcclick. thanks for watching and we will see you soon. bye— bye. good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today: distressing scenes in hospitals in india. overwhelmed by a record surge in coronavirus cases, medical staff are at breaking point. there is no space, so a patient who needs an icu comes to the casualty, right? what do i do? us regulators resume the rollout of the johnson & johnson vaccine after it was suspended because of suspected links to rare blood clots. cheering. calls for a public inquiry after 39 former post office workers have their convictions quashed in the uk's most widespread miscarriage of justice. the robotic pets making the perfect companion for residents in care homes. good morning. on the march — arsenalfans show their anger over their clubs involvement in the failed european super league ahead of their team's home defeat to everton. this exceptionally dry spell of april weather continues through the weekend. it is going to turn a bit cooler, though. if you're looking for some rain, well, there is some in the forecast for next week, but how much? i'll have the details later in the programme. it's saturday the 24th of april. our top story. india's supreme court says the country is facing a national emergency as its healthcare system buckles under a second wave of coronavirus patients. many hospitals are full, oxygen supplies are desperately low and the number of new cases is spiralling out of control. the latest statistics — released by the indian authorities just over an hour ago — are extremely concerning. india has seen more than 346,000 new cases in the last 24 hours — that's a global record for the third day in a row. more than 2,600 people have died in the same period with severely ill patients being turned away from hospitals. and the rapid acceleration of infections can be seen here with the number of new cases rising to three times its previous peak, in just a few weeks. our india correspondent yogita limaye reports from the emergency ward of one hospital in the capital delhi. the front line — an emergency room in a covid—19 hospital, just about standing under the weight of an unfolding disaster. a patient who is hardly breathing is brought in. to get past the shortage of beds, they have packed in stretchers, wheelchairs — as many as they can. but the first line of treatment against covid—19 is oxygen. and they have almost run out. at this point, there isjust one hour of supply left. the staff knows how many lives hang in the balance. people are being turned away, but they don't know where they will find oxygen or a bed. the intensive care unit is full, too. there are next to no icu beds in the city of 20 million. there is no space, so a patient who needs an icu comes to the casualty, right? what do i do? there is no physical space. we put them on whatever support we can there, trying to organise a bed somewhere or other. but once there is no bed here, no physical space that you can see to put another trolley, what do we do? we can only do that much. between seeing his patients, the doctor is constantly on calls. back—up is only a couple of hours, so we are struggling. we are struggling. he is desperately trying to get more oxygen. day after day, the staff works here, knowing full well that if their families get sick, even they will struggle to find medical care. there is helplessness and anger. the government, in some ways, failed in estimating what was going to happen, the needs that would arise if the numbers started rising. there was a sense of preparation in the earlier surge that seems to have disappeared in between. and they did things which were totally unacceptable — allowing large, huge gatherings, which is totally unacceptable. they believed that they had vanquished the virus. some oxygen arrives a bit later, but it can only last a few hours. then, the struggle begins again. yogita limaye, bbc news. dozens of former postmasters who were wrongly convicted of theft and fraud have called for a public inquiry into what went wrong. the court of appeal quashed the convictions of 39 people yesterday, who were prosecuted because of a faulty it system installed by the post office. jon donnison has the details. relief. their nightmare is over. and for those wrongly convicted, somejailed, it has been a long time coming. i've waited 11 years for this and i'm really, really grateful for everyone. fantastic. it has been a long time. very long time. beyond myself. i am no longer a criminal. and that is a wonderful thing to be. the 39 former postmasters now cleared had all been convicted of stealing money when all the while, it was a flawed horizon computer system installed in branches by the post office that had led to accounting errors. now, they want prosecutions to be launched against the post office... for all the things they have hidden and for all of the lies. they have put people through a tremendous time. it is not right. they should be made accountable. ..and they want a public enquiry to be led by a judge. somebody needs to be held responsible for this. you put us through the courts when we have not done anything wrong. now it's up to you to put the people who put us there in the same position. justice works both ways. in a statement, the chief executive of post office said: but the lawyer representing most of the postmasters cleared says this could bejust the beginning. it is such a damning verdict on post office and their practices that it opens the door for anybody that has been convicted because of horizon to come forward with confidence that that conviction could be overturned. cheering. so this could just be the first victory of many after the uk's most widespread miscarriage ofjustice. jon donnison, bbc news. the prime minister has been forced to defend himself against a wide—ranging personal attack from his former chief advisor dominic cummings. damian green atticus and tell us more. good morning. very public, this row, isn't it, and becoming quite unpleasant —— grammaticus. becoming quite unpleasant -- grammaticus.— becoming quite unpleasant -- grammaticus. , . , , ., grammaticus. this has erupted into the open late _ grammaticus. this has erupted into the open late yesterday, _ grammaticus. this has erupted into the open late yesterday, this i grammaticus. this has erupted into the open late yesterday, this is i the open late yesterday, this is dominic cummings, who was the architect of the vote leave campaign, brought into downing street by borisjohnson and yesterday on the front pages, accused by unidentified sources in downing street of having been leaking against the prime minister and he hit back yesterday with a blog post, laying out all sorts of claims about the prime minister and they have —— there have been rebuttals of some of those but i think what you can take from this is that this is going to play into these wider enquiries and wider questions that are going on about the government at the minute and downing street having contact with outsiders so he says he did not leak the text to the bbc this week, he said he did not leak last year but accused the prime minister, he said, trying to or discussing quashing an enquiry into separate leaks last year. downing street has said the prime minister did not do that but the claim was he discussed it. also, crucially, he said the prime minister had discussed a plan to get tory donors to fund renovations to downing street and the government has said that that has, the prime minister has paid himself but these are all claims that will now prompt further questions.— are all claims that will now prompt further questions. indeed, damien, thank ou further questions. indeed, damien, thank you very _ further questions. indeed, damien, thank you very much. _ more details are on the situation in india in relation to covid—19 and the extreme pressure on services there and to remind you of some of there and to remind you of some of the figures, this was on friday with india reporting 332, more than 332,000 cases and that was, they have had three days running off record numbers, world record numbers, and deaths are numbering at more than 2500 and just 24 hours so let's get more detail now and speak to our correspondent nikhil inamdar. he is in maharashtra. i understand, you can tell me more, is one of the hardest hit regions? what picture can you paint of the situation now? well, the situation actually across the country continues to remain grim, especially as far as oxygen supplies are concerned. we have just heard from a hospital in the northern indian city of drug for who said they lost 20 patients yesterday because of a shortage of oxygen supply and they currently had about 212 patients in their icu, 85% of whom required oxygen and about half—an—hour — 45 minutes of oxygen supplies were left and this after the prime minister yesterday took stock of the oxygen supply situation and set in motion several measures, really, to try to ease up the situation, including special trains to take supply from different parts of the country and getting the air force to also chip in. we also believe that india will be airlifting oxygen from countries like germany and the prime minister has said very clearly to the states that they cannot be holding up oxygen supplies or hoarding —— or holding them at borders and they will need to be released quickly but none of this i think will ease up situation in the immediate term, given the massive spike in cases but you can see, 346,000 new cases in the last 24 hours, more than 2600 dead, this is a record, global record for the third straight day. nikhil, clearly there is a crisis, and immediate crisis. the lesson learned from other countries is that some form of extreme lockdown can help, not immediately with his immediate crisis but over a period of time so tell us a little bit about what restrictions are in place and what has been considered? ali we already have restrictions in place in several parts of the country including in maharashtra where i am and virtually we have a full lockdown until the end of this month. , , , ., lockdown until the end of this month. , ,, ., , . month. only essential services are functioning — month. only essential services are functioning and _ month. only essential services are functioning and a _ month. only essential services are functioning and a similar _ month. only essential services are functioning and a similar situation | functioning and a similar situation also in the capital new delhi, and eastern indian state also has imposed lockdown until april 29 and carol are says they will be a full lockdown measure they're implemented over the weekend but there seems to be mixed messages —— kerala. the prime minister a few days ago went ahead and said lockdowns would only be a measure of last resort and what that seems to hint at is that india is now unwilling to reimpose a full nationwide lockdown maika did back in 2020, given the kind of devastating impact it has on livelihoods and jobs and the economy. livelihoods and “obs and the economyh livelihoods and “obs and the econom . . ~' ., ., economy. thank you for the moment, nikhil. 12 minutes _ economy. thank you for the moment, nikhil. 12 minutes past _ economy. thank you for the moment, nikhil. 12 minutes past seven. i health regulators in the united states have given the go ahead to re—starting the rollout of thejohnson & johnson coronavirus vaccine. it was suspended earlier this month following reports of rare blood clots, but has now been approved by an advisory panel which met online. david willis reports. so the vote is ten in favour, four opposed, and one abstention. the motion carries. having weighed the evidence, an advisory panel voted to give johnson &johnson a shot in the arm. today, after an extensive review of the available data, the fda and cdc are lifting the recommended pause on thejohnson & johnson, orjanssen, covid—19 vaccine. the pause is recommended due to a number of adverse events recorded after the janssen covid—19 vaccine was administered. those adverse events amount to blood clots, reported by a total of 15 women who had received thejohnson & johnson vaccine, three of whom subsequently died. but more than 7 million doses of the vaccine had been administered before distribution was suspended 11 days ago, and health officials believe the benefits outweigh the risks. they have declared the single—shot vaccine safe and effective in combating covid—19. as of this past sunday, more than 50% of adult americans have had at least one vaccine shot. we still have a long way to go but that is an important marker of progress. president biden had set the 4th ofjuly, america's birthday, as a goal of getting the country back to normal and although the pfizer and moderna vaccines have been the mainstay here, the single—shotjohnson & johnson jab is seen as vital in expanding the vaccination programme to rural areas. in their quest to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible, the administration could do without fears about side effects. thejohnson &johnson vaccine will now carry a label, warning about the risk of blood clots. distribution could resume as early as this weekend. david willis, bbc news, los angeles. the wales football manager, ryan giggs, will appear in court next week charged with assaulting two women at his home last year. he's also accused of coercive or controlling behaviour. the former manchester united player said he would plead not guilty. the blaze began in the early hours of your stay. the northern ireland fire and rescue service that it its response, as kevin sharkie reports. in one of the most scenic parts of northern ireland, devastation. the scale of the destruction visible from ground level brought into sharp focus from the air. as you would imagine with the mourne mountains, the terrain is very difficult to — for the crews to get up to, so we are at this point where it's probably an hour's walk for the crews to get up before they commence firefighting. the constant movement of the fire has challenged the firefighting efforts on the ground. the fire service is now asking anyone who had planned to come to the mournes this weekend to stay away from the newcastle side. we would particularly discourage any wild camping over this weekend in and around that area, just for the risk of those individuals going up there. as night began to fall, the fire crews left the mountainside. rest before the battle against this fire resumes. kevin sharkey, bbc news, in the mourne mountains in county down. overseas travel could resume from england next month. airports and airlines are trying to come up with airlines are trying to come up with a way for passengers to prove they have either been vaccinated or recently tested negative for covid. there is a new scheme where they store their details in a smart phone. there is more from caroline davey�*s. stepping off the plane and into the sunshine may feel like emily mother at the moment. but international travel from england could restart on 17 may —— million miles away. at the moment anyone travelling back from abroad turn up to this, long queues at the border�*s official check additional paperwork. the industry wants to make this digital and are already trailing abbott, including one from the industry body. this is what the trial app looks like. on here i have already added my passport details, i have a negative pcr test before travel and i have my flights. the most important part of this, combining all that information is that i now have a travel pass that means i am ok to fly. the hope is in the future the app will also register if you are vaccinated. but what about security mozela we are using decentralised technology, so the data you provide all the data you put on the certificate is only ever stood on the actual device you are using. 50 ever stood on the actual device you are usina. ,, ever stood on the actual device you are usina. i. . ever stood on the actual device you are usin.. i. . .,, are using. so you choose as the customer _ are using. so you choose as the customer who _ are using. so you choose as the customer who you _ are using. so you choose as the customer who you give - are using. so you choose as the customer who you give that i are using. so you choose as the customer who you give that to i are using. so you choose as the i customer who you give that to and who you share it with. there is no central database. in that respect we believe it is a very secure system for the customers. but believe it is a very secure system for the customers.— believe it is a very secure system for the customers. but the industry need government _ for the customers. but the industry need government agreement, i for the customers. but the industry. need government agreement, firstly to prove someone has been vaccinated and then to accept the tech at the border. , ., , and then to accept the tech at the border. , ., ._ , , ., border. the paper will always be a backu - , border. the paper will always be a backup. but _ border. the paper will always be a backup. but you — border. the paper will always be a backup, but you can't _ border. the paper will always be a backup, but you can't rely - border. the paper will always be a backup, but you can't rely on i border. the paper will always be a. backup, but you can't rely on heaps of paper. plus, actually, they be easier to manipulate than digital records. if these solutions would not be accepted at the border and if border checks would not be completely paper—based i feel for fairly lengthy queues around the world, which is something no—one wants. world, which is something no-one wants. ., , , wants. the uk government says it is workin: on wants. the uk government says it is working on creating _ wants. the uk government says it is working on creating a _ wants. the uk government says it is working on creating a digital- wants. the uk government says it is working on creating a digital and i working on creating a digital and non— way to show if someone has been vaccinated and wants to lead the way creating standards for a digital travel certificate. barbados is trailing the app at the moment and want to make sure they are on the uk's green list. we want to make sure they are on the uk's green list-— uk's green list. we will be on the ureen uk's green list. we will be on the green list. _ uk's green list. we will be on the green list. we — uk's green list. we will be on the green list, we are _ uk's green list. we will be on the green list, we are hoping. i uk's green list. we will be on the green list, we are hoping. but i uk's green list. we will be on the green list, we are hoping. but if. uk's green list. we will be on the i green list, we are hoping. but if we are not it would be extraordinarily disappointing but we are committed to working with the uk to make sure we do get on the greenness. final thing i would say as it is important for us to put every measure in place that gives travellers confidence. if travellers are confident that barbados, for example, in the uk on the side of putting measures in place to keep them safe, that is perhaps the most critical thing. but they aren't the only one scheme for british holidaymakers to return. t british holidaymakers to return. i do hope we will be in the green category and, frankly, we deserve to be. , , , ., , category and, frankly, we deserve to be. i, , . . be. cyprus made the case earlier this week to _ be. cyprus made the case earlier this week to be _ be. cyprus made the case earlier this week to be on _ be. cyprus made the case earlier this week to be on the _ be. cyprus made the case earlier this week to be on the green i be. cyprus made the case earlier| this week to be on the green list. we have done a lot of work in order to keep the virus under control. we test around 50% of our population on a weekly basis. by the end of may we will have vaccinated 60% of our population. please change very quickly things change very quickly. countries open and close in the blink of an eye. this is what is very strange about the pandemic error and tourism. but very strange about the pandemic error and tourism.— very strange about the pandemic error and tourism. but yesterday the country and — error and tourism. but yesterday the country and asked _ error and tourism. but yesterday the country and asked another— error and tourism. but yesterday the country and asked another two i error and tourism. but yesterday the country and asked another two weekj country and asked another two week lockdown after a rise in cases. it is a reminder how quickly countries' positions can change. somchai spots ijust as eager to have us as we are to get to them. —— sunshine spots. but whether we will reach the beach is as unpredictable as the virus. caroline davies, bbc news. we're joined now by the travel editorfor the independent simon calder, who is in cornwall. morning, simon. gosh, it looks beautiful behind you with the sun coming down. tt is. with the sun coming down. it is. this is truro _ with the sun coming down. it is. this is truro cathedral, - with the sun coming down. it is. this is truro cathedral, the i with the sun coming down. it is. this is truro cathedral, the only| this is truro cathedral, the only city in cornwall, some would say, one of the most mutable parts of the uk, very popular at the moment, especially this weekend with lovely weather forecast. especially this weekend with lovely weatherforecast. but especially this weekend with lovely weather forecast. but as caroline's report noted, one or two of us need to get abroad, in particular people who have loved ones who are desperate to see partners, family they have not seen for may be up to one year. they will be first at the queue and i think i will be slightly behind them, very, very keen on an overseas holiday. but as she made clear, we don't know where we might be able to go. clear, we don't know where we might be able to go— be able to go. indeed. let's 'ust talk about fl be able to go. indeed. let's 'ust talk about this i be able to go. indeed. let's 'ust talk about this app. i be able to go. indeed. let's 'ust talk about this app. do i be able to go. indeed. let's 'ust talk about this app. do you i be able to go. indeed. let'sjust. talk about this app. do you think, with your experience, that this could work?— with your experience, that this could work? ., , ., could work? sure. something is going to work. could work? sure. something is going to work- the — could work? sure. something is going to work. the extraordinary _ could work? sure. something is going to work. the extraordinary thing i could work? sure. something is going to work. the extraordinary thing is i to work. the extraordinary thing is we have had people working on about a dozen really serious different projects to prove what your covid status is, it is called a vaccine passport, but it is much more than that you can say if you have recently been tested, can say if you have recently recovered from covid, just to give the destination country a bit more certainty about whether or not you are a good bet to admit to their country. the trouble is, this has been going on for months. we are nowhere near any kind of international standardisation and, international standardisation and, in the meantime, the government said during the week that by 17 may, which is the first date any of us can legally travel abroad, at from england, we will have proof either digitally or on a piece of paper that you have had yourjabs, because lots of countries are demanding that, either you won't get in unless you have been jabbed or it will make your progress a lot smoother. let's see what we have got so far. i am lucky enough to have had jabs so i have my slightly unconvincing card. it might be that they come up with something like the yellow fever certificate, which would be good. some people are working on the idea that there will be tiny passports, so they will go through, they will read your passport, and they will know you have been zapped —— tied in with your passports. there is also the idea that you might be able to get something on your smart phone and with the queues we have seen at heathrow, up to six hours long, and the place is working at maximum 15% capacity, shows how important it is to get something working very, very quickly. d0 to get something working very, very ruickl . ~' to get something working very, very ruickl . ~ , to get something working very, very ruickl . ,, ~' , ., quickly. do you think there is going to be an appetite _ quickly. do you think there is going to be an appetite for— quickly. do you think there is going to be an appetite for going - quickly. do you think there is going to be an appetite for going away i to be an appetite for going away with all this still hanging around? well, i think an awful lot of people, possibly a majority of people, possibly a majority of people would say no, notjust yet, thanks very much. there are millions of others who are desperate for some sort of escape, primarily people who are desperate to see their loved ones. but also people who just think we cancelled a holiday last summer, we cancelled a holiday last summer, we haven't had a break in over a year, we wanted to get away. and of course there are many people who have holidays rolled over from last year, typically they might have booked to go to greece or spain in july or august, hoping to go again this year and, unfortunately, there is still no clarity about what will happen. i think as you heard there, barbados might make it onto the green list, they don't think, sadly, cyprus will initially, i'm looking at gibraltar, israel, iceland, lovely though they are, they don't really make a summer. i think it could be may be a couple of months after that, could be may be a couple of months afterthat, maybe could be may be a couple of months after that, maybe the start ofjuly when you will start seeing portugal, spain, france, italy, croatia, greece and the rest added to the so—called green list, so you won't need to quarantine when you come home. b. need to quarantine when you come home. �* . ~' ., need to quarantine when you come home. �* a ., ., i. need to quarantine when you come home. �* ., ., ., home. a quick word on where you are, let's and where — home. a quick word on where you are, let's and where we _ home. a quick word on where you are, let's and where we started. _ let's and where we started. cornwall, busy over there, is it? things are actually coming down today. lots of people going home today. lots of people going home today. saturday is a change over day. all the schools have been going back. next we can, of course, mayday, that will be quite busy around here. and over the summer, goodness me, i am hearing reports over 80% of capacity has already been sold and, anecdotally, people are getting very good prices for their properties, particularly if they are lovely, isolated cottages where you can have a degree of separation from other people. but, goodness, county, the whole of the uk travel industry desperately needs to have a good summer.— to have a good summer. simon, it is alwa s to have a good summer. simon, it is always good — to have a good summer. simon, it is always good to _ to have a good summer. simon, it is always good to talk _ to have a good summer. simon, it is always good to talk to _ to have a good summer. simon, it is always good to talk to you. - to have a good summer. simon, it is always good to talk to you. enjoy i always good to talk to you. enjoy the sunshine down there. simon calder, travel editor for the independent. a glimpse of how it is in cornwall. how is it looking for the rest of the uk? morning.— how is it looking for the rest of the uk? morning. good morning. no soilers. it the uk? morning. good morning. no spoilers- it is— the uk? morning. good morning. no spoilers. it is looking _ the uk? morning. good morning. no spoilers. it is looking fine. _ the uk? morning. good morning. no spoilers. it is looking fine. not- the uk? morning. good morning. no spoilers. it is looking fine. not a i spoilers. it is looking fine. not a surprise after a really dry april so far. a little windy with simon down there in cornwall. we will keep brisk winds down towards the south. that was south lanarkshire. this is the scene of the north—east coast of england. you can see a little in the way of cloud here on our weather watcher pictures. there is some cloud in the mix. we will see more cloud as we go through the weekend. but it stays dry. it does however become a little cooler. ibrance in charge, sitting up to the north at the moment. winds around high—pressure flow in this clockwise direction. that will draw increasingly cool and quite chilly air across some eastern and southern areas as we have through the weekend. this is how we started. they showed you this slightly cloudy pictures across parts of southern scotland, northern england, an area of high cloud will be drifting down into the midlands and east anglia that will turn the sunshine a little hazy through the day and will keep more cloud on the odd shower for the northern isles. the most it is fine, dry, long spells of sunshine. a little windy down to the south—west and for the channel islands highest temperatures across the western side of the uk, 19, maybe 20 degrees and some sheltered spots. cooler further east. forthe some sheltered spots. cooler further east. for the vast majority high pollen levels, tree pollen season, of course, so do bear that in mind. through this evening and tonight, it stays dry, we will see long, clear spells. but i think a bit more cloud into the mix by this stage, particularly across england and into east wales as well. temperatures hovering above freezing for most. a touch of frost for some. i think particular cross north—east scotland and enter tomorrow another fine day, plenty of sunshine around. on balance more cloud, especially across the eastern side of england, perhaps drifting through the midlands and east wales. the best of the sunshine will be across parts of northern ireland and scotland. that is where we'll have the lightest of the winds, stronger winds further south and east. that'll take the edge of the temperatures. cooler feel for southern and eastern areas, just nine degrees in norwich. highest temperatures across northern ireland and western scotland, up to 17 or 18. many people are looking for rain. and there is some in the forecast for the start of the new week. this little frontal system dropping down from the north. they say some rain, i do minute. not an awful lot stop some showers down across scotland, maybe into northern ireland, northern england through the day, drier and brighter conditions further temperatures generally between 11 and 16 degrees. the rain in the north is going to try to work southwards. not much of it will. some is staying completely dry. if you places in the south will see a few showers into tuesday and wednesday, nothing more than that. lots of dry weather through the week but it does turn a little bit chilly. they could even be some wintry showers developing in the north of the uk. for the time being fine and dry this weekend.- fine and dry this weekend. charlie and nara, fine and dry this weekend. charlie and naga. back — fine and dry this weekend. charlie and naga, back to _ fine and dry this weekend. charlie and naga, back to you. _ fine and dry this weekend. charlie and naga, back to you. i - fine and dry this weekend. charlie and naga, back to you. ithink- fine and dry this weekend. charliej and naga, back to you. i think the gardeners will be pleased or even a little bit of rain. just gardeners will be pleased or even a little bit of rain.— little bit of rain. just a sprinkle, no more than _ little bit of rain. just a sprinkle, no more than that. _ little bit of rain. just a sprinkle, no more than that. i've - little bit of rain. just a sprinkle, no more than that. i've always. little bit of rain. just a sprinkle, i no more than that. i've always said it should only _ no more than that. i've always said it should only rain _ no more than that. i've always said it should only rain overnight i no more than that. i've always said it should only rain overnight and i no more than that. i've always said it should only rain overnight and in | it should only rain overnight and in the day it should be sunny. t will the day it should be sunny. i will no awa the day it should be sunny. i will go away and _ the day it should be sunny. i will go away and saw _ the day it should be sunny. i will go away and saw that _ the day it should be sunny. i will go away and saw that now. i the day it should be sunny. i will| go away and saw that now. thank you. at last someone _ go away and saw that now. thank you. at last someone who _ go away and saw that now. thank you. at last someone who is _ go away and saw that now. thank you. at last someone who is listening i go away and saw that now. thank you. at last someone who is listening to i at last someone who is listening to what i'm asking for. thank you! it is now 28 minutes past michael have this put in about 20 minutes. -- happy —— happy sport. there are fears that a missing indonesian navy submarine has now run out of oxygen. a crew of 53 are on board the submarine, which disappeared off the coast of bali on wednesday. six warships and a helicopter have joined the international search effort. frank owen is from the submarine institute of australia and joins us now from canberra. frank, a very good morning to you. it is a really worrying story this. can you explain to people when it was that the last whereabouts of the submarine was known? what details do we have? we submarine was known? what details do we have? ~ ~' ., submarine was known? what details do we have? . ~ ., ., .,, we have? we know that the last time an bod we have? we know that the last time anybody new. — we have? we know that the last time anybody new. saw— we have? we know that the last time anybody new, saw its _ we have? we know that the last time anybody new, saw its always - we have? we know that the last time anybody new, saw its always aware i we have? we know that the last time | anybody new, saw its always aware of its position was at 4:28 on tuesday. the next time there was any evidence of its existence, if that evidence, is that they saw an oil slick that may or may not have come from the submarine. there has been nothing heard of it since stop frank, some people, you can expand first, they say submarines to go silent for periods of time for operational reasons, is there not something on the submarine, some piece of technology that would always alert somebody somewhere as to where it was? ., , ., ., ., was? how is it that we would not know anything? _ was? how is it that we would not know anything? yes, _ was? how is it that we would not know anything? yes, you i was? how is it that we would not know anything? yes, you are i was? how is it that we would not i know anything? yes, you are right. if a submarine _ know anything? yes, you are right. if a submarine doesn't _ know anything? yes, you are right. if a submarine doesn't want i know anything? yes, you are right. if a submarine doesn't want to i know anything? yes, you are right. if a submarine doesn't want to be l if a submarine doesn't want to be heard it won't be. and they don't have things that will tell people where they are all the time otherwise those that are looking for the submarine in an unfriendly way would also be able to find them. if they don't want to be heard they won't be. this submarine, though, also—rans also have what they call an underwater telephone, which is a sonar that moderates, when you speak into it, it actually then can be received on another similar sonar underwater telephone and you can talk. but... i'm sorry, i've got someone calling. t’d talk. but... i'm sorry, i've got someone calling.— talk. but... i'm sorry, i've got someone calling. i'd tell you what, take a moment, _ someone calling. i'd tell you what, take a moment, saw— someone calling. i'd tell you what, take a moment, saw the _ someone calling. i'd tell you what, take a moment, saw the dialling i take a moment, saw the dialling noises out, and then we will pick off where you left off. so, the, i do beg your pardon without, it is london calling, you know what happens with them, they are persistent! so the submarine does not have an underwater telephone working which is very serious. they had special permission not to have the underwater telephone working, and this is not me hearing scuttlebutt, it is coming from jane thatcher eitherjames is picking up scuttlebutt or it is true and i believe it is true. that means if they know that searchers are looking for them, they cannot actually talk to them and get any messages back to say what is happening. so their options are rather limited. there is a protocol though for submarines that are lost, and these other protocols used by all submarines because all the navies that operate them belong to an office which was established in norfolk, virginia, and when it happens, if a submarine is stuck on the hour and half hour for three minutes all of the ships and searching forces will be quiet and searching forces will be quiet and inside the submarine they would then bang the whole with whatever objects they can —— hull. to make noise, to alert the forces that they are aware that they are looking for them and to help find them. that has not been heard. they also would have sent some smoke signals to the surface, these are smoke candles or kennels that can be fired from a tube. it goes from the inside to the outside of the submarine and you can send objects to the surface. and that could have a dire marker or smoke or a flare but nothing like that has been heard —— dye marker. as a final thought, frank, the grim reality is you tell us, how long could the crew survive in circumstances that we are talking about? ., , ., ., . about? not very long, not much loner. about? not very long, not much longer- they — about? not very long, not much longer. they had _ about? not very long, not much longer. they had an _ about? not very long, not much longer. they had an extra i about? not very long, not much longer. they had an extra 50% i about? not very long, not much - longer. they had an extra 50% people on board, even with extra stores, the chief of the indonesian navy has already declared that the oxygen nominally expired at one o'clock this morning. 50 even if they are still alive, the oxygen would have been consumed by now.— still alive, the oxygen would have been consumed by now. frank, thank ou ve been consumed by now. frank, thank you very much _ been consumed by now. frank, thank you very much for _ been consumed by now. frank, thank you very much for your— been consumed by now. frank, thank you very much for your time - been consumed by now. frank, thank you very much for your time this - you very much for your time this morning. frank is the secretary of the submarine institute of australia, bringing us up to date on the disappearance, as frank was saying, the last contact, last seen the submarine, the indonesian submarine, 4:28 on tuesday and, yeah, the search is clearly ongoing as we speak. stay with us, headlines coming up. hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. good morning to you, coming up to 35 minutes past seven. as we've been hearing this morning, india's healthcare system is on the verge of collapse under the pressure of a huge surge in covid cases. and while the virus appears to be under control here in the uk, questions around vaccines and testing remain. let's discuss matters at home and abroad with one of our regular breakfast gps, doctor sarahjarvis. good morning, good to see you. shall we talk about what is happening in india at the moment because i think what many people perhaps may think is when we see how the dock is and staff and nurses in the hospitals are desperately trying to cope, we remember vividly that happening here and the news reports that were coming through —— doctors. obviously just that fear of panic and the fear, the simple fear. absolutely, and desperation _ fear, the simple fear. absolutely, and desperation and _ fear, the simple fear. absolutely, and desperation and exhaustion. l fear, the simple fear. absolutely, i and desperation and exhaustion. the good news from our perspective is that we have been in a better position than they have and that is not saying much. it is extraordinary to think that they have had a 30 fold increase in the number of cases, 10,000 a day up to 300,000 cases, 10,000 a day up to 300,000 cases a day. i know there are much bigger country than we are with much people but that has been in just the space of two months. —— they are a much bigger countries. we were in a situation where the icu was on the brink of collapsing but we never run out of oxygen and here, they are, just as they have been doing in particularly in the amazonian basin in brazilfor weeks now, and it really does remind us that this pandemic has not gone away. the clue is in the name, pandemic. in pandemic has not gone away. the clue is in the name, pandemic.— is in the name, pandemic. in a way, that brings — is in the name, pandemic. in a way, that brings us _ is in the name, pandemic. in a way, that brings us to _ is in the name, pandemic. in a way, that brings us to the _ is in the name, pandemic. in a way, that brings us to the question - is in the name, pandemic. in a way, that brings us to the question that l that brings us to the question that people inevitably ask about the indian variant and about the risk to the uk and the point you made before is right that nowhere is safe until everywhere is safe but in the immediate term here, what risks are there, do you think? the immediate term here, what risks are there, do you think?— there, do you think? the issue with there, do you think? the issue with the indian variant _ there, do you think? the issue with the indian variant is _ there, do you think? the issue with the indian variant is the _ there, do you think? the issue with the indian variant is the firstly, - the indian variant is the firstly, we don't know much about it because it is very, very recent and secondly we think there is no doubt it is much more infectious which is why they have had this huge spike and thirdly, it appears to have two key mutations, one of which may well help to or get around the immune system response to vaccination. we have already seen that in the south african variant and we know the vaccines are less effective against it. we don't know how much less effective against severe disease and we hope the vaccines will still provide some protection but not the same level of protection against severe disease. we have had another 55 cases of the indian variant discovered in the last week in the uk, ringing the total to 132, and discovered in the last week in the uk, ringing the totalto 132, and in addition another 70 cases of the south african variant, a total of about 760. that is why we have surged testing going on which has been extended from south london and barnet up to birmingham, just in the last couple of days, and they are gradually, in fact, several more cases, sorry, not gradually, very rapidly rolling that out in those areas. there may be an issue, particular in bordesley and highgate in birmingham. the thing is we need to remember if you are in those areas, please get tested. it is so gratifying to see how many people have queued up to get tested. it is great that the government or the nhs is stepping up testing but we must not be complacent because it does take a couple of weeks to identify those variants, no matter how good our genomic testing is, and we do all need still to take sensible precautions. all need still to take sensible precautions-_ all need still to take sensible recautions. . ., ., precautions. can we have a quick word on how _ precautions. can we have a quick word on how vaccine, _ precautions. can we have a quick word on how vaccine, the - precautions. can we have a quick- word on how vaccine, the vaccination progress is going? the reason i ask is because some of the front pages on the papers asking we will not be wearing masks by summer? it is not sourced to any official representative of an institution and icu shaking your head because it is messages, isn't it? all desperate to get out and desperate to get back to normal, of course. but look at india and the surged testing in various parts of the uk.— parts of the uk. yeah. we have learned so _ parts of the uk. yeah. we have learned so much _ parts of the uk. yeah. we have learned so much about - parts of the uk. yeah. we have learned so much about the - parts of the uk. yeah. we have| learned so much about the virus parts of the uk. yeah. we have i learned so much about the virus in the last 1a months, 1a months ago the last 1a months, 1a months ago the european center for disease control was actively discouraging face coverings, the world health organization was not recommending them and we now know how important they are. and we all have to change our advice. social distancing also really important. hands, face, face, ventilate has been added to the message because we now know that unlike other viruses where just being a little way away because droplet spread and droplets are heavy and they spread in a small distance around you, this aerosol spray means that social distancing is much more important. i think we have come a very long way but these variants to remind us that the reason that we are opening up slowly is because it is still there. just a ruick is because it is still there. just a quick thought. _ is because it is still there. just a quick thought. i _ is because it is still there. just a quick thought, i know _ is because it is still there. just a quick thought, i know it - is because it is still there. just a quick thought, i know it is - is because it is still there. just a quick thought, i know it is a - is because it is still there. just a quick thought, i know it is a big | quick thought, i know it is a big subject, two—thirds of families we understand with disabled children want a vaccine for their child. the whole issue around the vaccination situation with children is on hold effectively because it has not been recommended at the moment but a lot of children have been shielding, and their parents would be thinking is there an avenue for it? have you authorised any vaccinations for children? ., , ., , authorised any vaccinations for children? ., , ., ., children? no, i personally have not orranised children? no, i personally have not organised any _ children? no, i personally have not organised any vaccination _ children? no, i personally have not organised any vaccination for - organised any vaccination for children and i don't know if any of my colleagues have. the really important thing to remember is i completely understand the anxiety of parents of disabled children. i have got parents of disabled children that i look after. but what we have seen during the course of the pandemic is that even really unwell children have been incredibly unlikely by comparison to older people to be affected. we have to remember we have had 125,000 people tragically die, and of those ten have been under the age of 18. and evenif have been under the age of 18. and even if you have a child where you are advised to shield at the outset, the vast majority of parents have been told actually, we asked your child to shield because we did not know but now we know better, that the risks are lower, so for the vast majority of children the risks are much, much smaller and therefore the vaccines were not developed and were not tested on under 16 —year—olds. the astrazeneca vaccine was being tested, until this concern about clots in the brain in under 16 is but quite rightly, although no issues have been identified for them, it has been paused. we will seak them, it has been paused. we will speak again _ them, it has been paused. we will speak again soon, _ them, it has been paused. we will speak again soon, thank _ them, it has been paused. we will speak again soon, thank you - them, it has been paused. we will speak again soon, thank you so i them, it has been paused. we will- speak again soon, thank you so much. 19 minutes to eight o'clock and let's talk to mike and the fans are still very upset with the six football clubs. if still very upset with the six football clubs.— still very upset with the six football clubs. it is incredible, six da s football clubs. it is incredible, six days on — football clubs. it is incredible, six days on from _ football clubs. it is incredible, six days on from the - football clubs. it is incredible, six days on from the clubs - six days on from the clubs withdrawing from the european super league. no sign that the fans's anger is abating. they want to change and anger, despite the clubs which had signed up saying sorry. the tottenham hotspur supporters trust last night called for their club's board to resign, claiming the relationship with them to be irreparably broken. and before that, hundreds of arsenal fans marched past the emirates before the game against everton, many singing "we want our arsenal back" and calling for majority shareholder owner stan kroenke to leave. the gunners were one of the 12 founding members of the esl before withdrawing on tuesday. it was a poor night for arsenal on the pitch as everton scored the only goal. well, they didn't score it — it was an own goal by gunners keeper bernd leno, who fumbled the ball into his own net. it's a gift that lifts everton to within 3 points of the champions league places. it has been a difficult few days here for the football club and everyone associated with it. what do you feel about the protests tonight before the game? i you feel about the protests tonight before the game?— you feel about the protests tonight before the game? i don't want to use any excuses — before the game? i don't want to use any excuses towards _ before the game? i don't want to use any excuses towards what _ before the game? i don't want to use any excuses towards what happened | before the game? i don't want to use l any excuses towards what happened on the pitch _ any excuses towards what happened on the pitch. you any excuses towards what happened on the itch. ., , ., the pitch. you understand it happening? _ the pitch. you understand it happening? yeah, - the pitch. you understand it happening? yeah, i - the pitch. you understand it. happening? yeah, i understand the pitch. you understand it - happening? yeah, i understand it and the have happening? yeah, i understand it and they have the — happening? yeah, i understand it and they have the freedom _ happening? yeah, i understand it and they have the freedom to _ happening? yeah, i understand it and they have the freedom to express - they have the freedom to express themselves, so it is clear. ronnie o'sullivan must wait at least another year to try and equal, —— and equal the record of seven world titles. he's out of the world championship after losing to anthony mcgill in the second round. the match went the distance but it was mcgill who held his nerve, winning 13 frames to 12. you could say it's the one that has got away but there were six that did not get away so, you know, it is how you want to look at it, you know. you know, i have won 20 majors — whatever it is — i've got kind of every record in the book, apart from obviously the most world titles. but, you know, if i can keep the mindset that i've been working on with steve peters the last few days, ijust want to enjoy my snooker, you know? because i have not really been enjoying it, you know? ifeel like i have been playing pretty poor and i find it hard to enjoy it if i don't play well. it's winner takes all today in the women's six nations as england and france meet to decide this season's champions. england enjoyed big wins over scotland and italy, but will be wary of a french side who've also enjoyed high scoring victories to reach the decider. it's live on bbc two. kick off at 2 o'clock. they've obviously been going really well — their results kind of speak for themselves — and they have drafted back in a few of their sevens girls which, no doubt, will bolster that squad and they seemingly at the moment have a huge amount of depth as well in terms of the players they have been able to use in the first couple of rounds, so yeah, we are under no illusions as to the challenge at the weekend but it's a really exciting one for us. britain's simon yates won the tour of the alps after finishing safely in the pack on the fifth and final stage into riva del garda. felix grossschartner was first over the line for the bora—hansgrohe team. yates came home in the green jersey, winning the race by 58 seconds. great preparation for next month's giro d'italia. what a feeling — this how graeme mcdowell described his hole in one at the zurich classic team event in louisiana. he teamed up with england's matt wallace and at the par three 17th served up the perfect response to what had been a rather ordinary round before this. off it goes. he celebrated the hole in one by ordering a bucket of beers to be delivered to the media centre. that went down rather well. what's more, his team then birdied the final hole and finished 8—under par overall — five shots off the leaders. england'sjustin rose and sweden's henrik stenson, are just two off the lead. but they did not have these kind of celebrations, dancing forjoy after that hole in one. well done to mcdowall there. one man not out in louisiana, of course, is tiger woods. he's recuperating from that car crash which he was involved in back in february. he has though released, the first picture of himself since the crash. he posted this snap, taken near his new backyard practice course, which he says is a �*work in progress'. nice picture of his dog bugs, too. woods said, "my course is coming along faster than i am. but it's nice to have a faithful rehab partner, man's best friend." that is some garden. some course. it'll do for me. he that is some garden. some course. it'll do for me.— it'll do for me. he is famed to havin: it'll do for me. he is famed to having a _ it'll do for me. he is famed to having a fabulous _ it'll do for me. he is famed to having a fabulous course - it'll do for me. he is famed to having a fabulous course out i it'll do for me. he is famed to i having a fabulous course out the back. out the back! thanks very much. we will talk about the hole in one later as well.— here's ben with a look at this morning's weather. hello. what we have is more of the same. more dry weather. sunshine for many. this is how it looked in devon a little earlier on. some ripples on the water. breezy across the south with of england. some areas are starting the day with more in the way of power. that was because of north—east england. through the weekend we will introduce more cloud, but it stays dry and will become a little cooler. high pressure in charge, sitting up here to the north. winds around high—pressure flow in a clockwise direction which will bring cool air in from the east as we had through the weekend. most of us today seen plenty of sunshine. more cloud as we start off across south—east scotland. an area of high cloud drifting through northern england into the midlands and east anglia. that'll turn the sunshine hazy at times stop we have mentioned the brisk winds for the south—east of england affecting the channel islands, highest temperatures across west wales, merseyside, western counties of northern ireland, maybe western scotland, up to 19 possibly 20 degrees. with high pollen levels for many. tree pollen the culprit at the some of you. through the evening and overnight days dry. a lot of clear spells around, one or two mist patches. cloud tripping and across england. maybe into east wales by the end of the night. most places avoiding a frost. the cold weather across north—east scotland. looking at tomorrow's weather a dry day. for england particularly we will see more in the way of cloud. the best of the sons of northern ireland and holland by when you down towards the south, strongest winds across south—west england and the channel islands once again. for england and wales a little cooler than today, highest temperatures tomorrow across northern ireland and scotland. after you two. thank you so much. we will see you later. time now for this week's newswatch. hello and welcome to newswatch with me, samira ahmed. why were there more than 100,000 complaints about bbc coverage of the duke of edinburgh's death? and was it appropriate to focus on the relationship between prince william and prince harry before and after the duke's funeral? in the past two weeks, much has been written and said notjust about prince philip but also about the way the bbc handled his death, its aftermath and his funeral. it all began like this. we have just received a statement from buckingham palace, confirming that the duke of edinburgh has died. the statement says "it is with deep sorrow that her majesty the queen has announced the death of her beloved husband, his royal highness, the prince philip, duke of edinburgh". the bbc cleared its schedules for the rest of the day and some of the weekend, showing identical output, including tribute programmes, across bbc one, bbc two and the news channel. they also took bbc four off air. the result was a significant drop in audience figures for the two main channels and the largest number of complaints made in broadcasting history, most of them submitted via a dedicated online form set up for the purpose. as well as those 110,000 people, hundreds contacted newswatch direct, too, and i will be speaking to two of those viewers in a moment. we also wanted to discuss the coverage with someone from bbc television, scheduling or news, but no—one was available. instead, we were pointed towards the statement they put out last week. we decided to wait till after the funeral to have this discussion on newswatch, so let's talk now to fiona gill and barbara norris. thank you both for coming on newswatch. barbara, first, why did you complain? i complained because i thought the coverage was absolutely excessive and not really on the grounds of schedule changes — i know some viewers were upset by that — but i complained because of two things. firstly, i am a great supporter of the monarchy. i think they provide stability and leadership in times that are good and bad. however, i am also conscious that a lot of people are not avid supporters of the monarchy and some people are just and i think as we consider where the future of the monarchy lies, the annoyance that swamping all your radio and tv channels gave to people, i think it undermines the feelings towards the monarchy, and that can only be a bad thing. and you also had a concern about people being more reliant on tv during covid, didn't you? yes, absolutely. i think the situation might have been different had we not been in the middle of a covid pandemic but also at that time, we were in total lockdown. and for a lot of elderly people, people who are isolated or in other ways totally rely on television for company, i thought it was so inappropriate because it gave them no choice. and for people who were not interested at all, there was no escape, either into another home or, indeed, to any leisure facilities or external premises, and so one was absolutely forced to go through this repetitive cycle of up to 26 hours on bbc one. fiona, how did you react over the course of the day to the coverage? well, i listened at lunchtime on the radio, when the news broke just after midday, and it went straight to broadcasting about that and into the world at one — which was fine, as far as i was concerned. again, pm on the radio, that was fine. and then, by that sort of time of day, you know, by the evening, you have kind of heard it if you have listened to the radio, and then the six o'clock news, and then it went on. and when it got to the evening and you had bbc one, bbc two, bbc news channel, nothing on bbc four, all showing the same programme — it was not even different programmes about prince philip — and ijust thought it was overkill. and as barbara said, not everybody is interested in royalty. when it got to bbc breakfast on saturday morning, even the sports section on the day of the grand national was about what sport prince philip was interested in. i mean, the only thing that was news was the weather, really, as far as i — in the hour i was watching it — and then itjust went on. people stood outside windsor castle talking about nothing, really, because there was nothing more to say, for days. ijust felt it just went on and on and on, i am afraid. overkill. barbara, you had concerns, as well, about the tone and the style of the coverage. yes, i felt that some of it — particularly because so much of it was in the black—and—white style of the �*50s — it came across as a bit fawning. the world has moved on. we are now in the 21st century. and again, going back to my concerns about undermining the monarchy, rather than strengthening it, i thought that the coverage was less than objective. one can still exude warmth and sympathy, but without the sort of fawning coverage that i thought a lot of it was. fiona, did you have concerns about what other news stories were not getting covered? yes. i mean, there was literally no other news. i mean, i saw on the app that there had been a volcano in st vincent, in the caribbean, and there must be an awful lot of people in this country who have connections to that part of the world who would have been interested and worried, and there was nothing for several days it was before that was mentioned on the news. i am sure there was other stuff. and i think bbc, over perhaps the last year, does seem to focus on a narrow set of topics. barbara norris and fiona gill, thank you both so much. as well as the many objections we received to the coverage of prince philip's death, there was also a much smaller number of compliments paid to how the bbc handled it, and his funeral last weekend. but following the latter, this discussion on saturday evening between royal correspondents nicholas witchell and huw edwards also produced some negative reaction. so far as one can understand, william feels very disappointed, let down, harry feels resentful. now, what sort of interaction has there been? well, there was minimal so far as we could see interaction between them as they walked down to the chapel. there were some engagement, we saw there, as they walked away after the service — harry talking to catherine, william seemed to be rather reluctant to engage initially. ann munro was watching that and sent us this e—mail: anna soanes also took objection to the discussion. well, we put that point to bbc news, and they told us: away from royal matters, the pandemic has hit india particularly hard this week with the country recording the highest one—day number of covid cases anywhere in the world. yogita limaye has been reporting from india across many bbc outlets. siren wails. a capital on its knees. at its biggest hospitals, people being pushed to the limit of human endurance. "my husband's in a very bad state. let me get through," this woman says. she has been carrying him around for ten hours. many of these people will not survive the night. reports like that have seen plaudits from viewers. kanishka raj singh writing: finally, bbc news was mocked on social media this week after publishing this story, headlined: the article went on to explore why somerset had become a celebrity hotspot. but several twitter users were unconvinced by its significance, with jonathan jewel posting this: elaine sihera also deployed sarcasm in her response. thank you for all your comments this week. if you want to share your opinions about what you see or hear on bbc news, on tv, radio, online and social media, e—mail newswatch, or you can find us on twitter. you can call us. and do have a look at our website. that is all from us. we will be back to hear your thoughts about bbc news coverage again next week. goodbye. good morning welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today: distressing scenes in hospitals in india — overwhelmed by a record surge in coronavirus cases, medical staff are at breaking point. and there is no space, what do i do? us regulators resume the rollout of the johnson and johnson vaccine, after it was suspended because of suspected links to rare blood clots. calls for a public inquiry, after 39 former post office workers have their convictions quashed in the uk's most widespread miscarriage ofjustice it's good to talk — former england and arsenal star, paul merson on his battles against addiction, and the benefits of opening up about mental health. i have an illness that i have to keep under control a day at a time. when people start talking, i think it makes a difference to everything — football and life. on the march — arsenal fans show their anger over their clubs, involvement in the failed european superleague — ahead of their team's home defeat to everton. this exceptionally dry spell of april weather continues through the weekend. it is going to turn a bit cooler, though. if you're looking for some rain, well, there is some in the forecast for next week, but how much? i'll have the details later in the programme. good morning. it's saturday the 24th of april. india's supreme court says the country is facing a national emergency as its healthcare system buckles under a second wave of coronavirus patients. many hospitals are full, oxygen supplies are desperately low and the number of new cases is spiralling out of control. let's take a look at the latest numbers, released by the indian health ministry. the country has seen more health ministry. than 346,000 new cases in the past 2a hours. that's a global record for the third day in a row. more than 2,600 people have died in the same period — with severely ill patients being turned away from hospitals. and the rapid acceleration of infections can be seen here, with the number of new cases rising to three times its previous peak, in just a few weeks. our india correspondent yogita limaye reports from the emergency ward of one hospital in the capital, delhi. the front line — an emergency room in a covid hospital, just about standing under the weight of an unfolding disaster. a patient who is hardly breathing is brought in. to get past the shortage of beds, they have packed in stretchers, wheelchairs — as many as they can. but the first line of treatment against covid—19 is oxygen. and they have almost run out. at this point, there isjust one hour of supply left. the staff knows how many lives hang in the balance. people are being turned away, but they don't know where they will find oxygen or a bed. the intensive care unit is full, too. there are next to no icu beds in a city of 20 million. there is no space, so a patient who needs an icu comes to the casualty, right? what do i do? there is no physical space. we put him on whatever support we can there, trying to organise a bed somewhere or other. but once there is no bed here, no physical space, as you can see, to put another trolley, what do we do? we can only do that much. between seeing his patients, the doctor is constantly on calls. back—up is only a couple of hours, so we are struggling. we are struggling. he is desperately trying to get more oxygen. day after day, the staff works here, knowing full well that if their families get sick, even they will struggle to find medical care. there is helplessness and anger. the government, in some ways, failed in estimating what was going to happen, the needs that would arise if the numbers started rising. there was a sense of preparation in the earlier surge which seems to have disappeared in between. and they did things which were totally unacceptable — allowing large, huge gatherings, which is totally unacceptable. they believed that we had vanquished the virus. some oxygen arrives a bit later, but it can only last a few hours. then, the struggle begins again. yogita limaye, bbc news. former postmasters who were wrongly convicted of theft and fraud have called for a public inquiry into what went wrong. the court of appeal yesterday cleared 39 people who were convicted using evidence from a flawed it system. hundreds more were also prosecuted between 2000 and 2014. the post office said the judgement was a "vital milestone" in addressing its "past failures". we will be speaking to one of those wrongly convicted in a few minutes' time. the prime minister has been forced to defend himself against a wide—ranging personal attack from his former chief adviser, dominic cummings. our political correspondent damian grammaticas can tell us more. some people listening to some of what has been said are trying to work out what part of this is a friendship or collaboration gone wrong between dominic cummings and borisjohnson, orwhat wrong between dominic cummings and borisjohnson, or what is important, and requires further detail? good ruestion and requires further detail? good question because _ and requires further detail? good question because this _ and requires further detail? good question because this is - and requires further detail? (13mg question because this is triggered by a row about leaks, the prime ministers said yesterday he did not think people cared about who leaked what but dominic cummings has made serious allegations and said the prime minister in his words fell far below the standards of competence and integrity required and the issues that will cause ripples, particularly claims he says boris johnson renovations are done in downing street, how were they paid for? mr cummings said mrjohnson came to him with a plan to get conservative donors to fund that any weight mr cummings thought was foolish and illegal. —— in our way mr cummings thought. could have been foolish and illegal. the government say ministers acted in accordance with the electoral law. we know the electoral commission is looking into funding and talking to the conservative party. the government has said borisjohnson paid himself but at the labour party once question answered with an open investigation and says these are serious issues and it needs to be transparent. that will be a difficult question, and questions will follow. the other issue is the leaks generally, there is an enquiry going on into the leaks given to the bbc this week, the government said yesterday those text messages would be published, a summary was published yesterday and enquiries into that is due to report as well, many strands that we will be following. many strands that we will be following-— many strands that we will be followinr. . ~' , ., , . there are fears that an indonesian navy submarine which went missing on wednesday has now run out of oxygen. a crew of 53 are on board the submarine, which disappeared off the coast of bali. six warships and a helicopter havejoined the international search effort. let's speak now to callistasia wijaya from the bbc indonesian service, whojoins us from jakarta. good to see you, it is a ship we are talking about this at this moment in time because we understand the deadline that was marked for it when oxygen reserves would run out was one o'clock this morning but of course that is a theory because we don't know where the submarine is. yes, it has been the third day since the disappearance of indonesian submarine that went missing on a wednesday and according to the authorities, be submarine was only equipped with oxygen reserves enough for three days, that means today as of 3am, oxygen deadline has passed. but we still don't know actually about the status of this search and we're we think the authorities to give as much an update about the search and operation results today. like you say earlier, the search and rescue operation continues today and earlier the us navy aircraft has arrived in bali to help with that search at australia has also deployed two of its warships to participate in this operation. indonesia's in neighbouring countries such as malaysia and singapore have also offered assistance. so people are still hoping that there might be a miracle of this search and rescue effort. 0k, of this search and rescue effort. ok, thank you very much for bringing us up—to—date. health regulators in the united states have given the go ahead to re—starting the rollout of the johnson and johnson coronavirus vaccine. it was suspended earlier this month following reports of rare blood clots, but has now been approved by an advisory panel which met online. david willis reports. so the vote is ten in favour, four opposed, and one abstention. the motion carries. having weighed the evidence, an advisory panel voted to give johnson &johnson a shot in the arm. today, after an extensive review of the available data, the fda and cdc are lifting the recommended pause on the johnson & johnson, or janssen, covid—19 vaccine. the pause was recommended due to a number of adverse events recorded after the janssen covid—19 vaccine was administered. those adverse events amount to blood clots, reported by a total of 15 women who had received thejohnson & johnson vaccine, three of whom subsequently died. but more than seven million doses of the vaccine had been administered before distribution was suspended 11 days ago, and health officials believe the benefits outweigh the risks. they have declared the single—shot vaccine safe and effective in combating covid—19. as of this past sunday, more than 50% of adult americans have had at least one vaccine shot. we still have a long way to go but that is an important marker of progress. president biden had set the 11th ofjuly, america's birthday, as a goal of getting the country back to normal and although the pfizer and moderna vaccines have been the mainstay here, the single—shotjohnson & johnson jab is seen as vital in expanding the vaccination programme to rural areas. in their quest to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible, the administration could do without fears about side effects. thejohnson &johnson vaccine will now carry a label, warning about the risk of blood clots. distribution could resume as early as this weekend. david willis, bbc news, los angeles. the wales football manager, ryan giggs, will appear in court next week charged with assaulting two women at his home last year. he's also accused of coercive or controlling behaviour. the former manchester united player said he would plead not guilty. ghislaine maxwell has appeared in court in new york on new charges of sex trafficking. it was herfirst apperance in person since being arrested last year. she pleaded not guilty to accusations of helping the convicted paedophile, jeffrey epstein, to recruit, groom and sexually abuse girls. firefighters in county down are stepping up their efforts to tackle a large gorse fire. the blaze — in the mourne mountains — began in the early hours of yesterday. the northern ireland fire and rescue service has said it is "escalating" its response, and is asking people to stay away. it was an important day at the court of appeal yesterday, as 39 convictions were quashed in what's been called the most widespread miscarriage ofjustice in uk history. they were among more than 700 former postmasters who were prosecuted for stealing post office money. in fact, a faulty computer system was to blame. some were jailed, others had to sell their homes and at least three died before they could clear their names. one of those cleared yesterday was wendy buffrey, from cheltenham. natasha turney has been speaking to her. waited so, so long for this moment. it's just unbelievably fantastic. emotional and relieved. for the last 11 years, wendy has lived with a criminal conviction hanging over her. today that conviction was quashed. absolutely beyond myself. i am no longer a criminal, and that is a wonderful thing to be. i've been having nightmares for the last two weeks, where i walk in there and i'm surrounded by police and thrown in a van. it was back in 2008, when wendy used to run at this post office when £26,000 appeared to go missing. she was advised to plead guilty and was convicted of false accounting. she had to pay back more than £20,000 and lost her house. it turned out a computer system called horizon was to blame, and hundreds of others who are in the same position. in a landmark ruling that 39 convictions, including wendy's, were overturned. in a statement the post office chairman said he was extremely sorry for the impact on the lives of these postmasters and their families that was caused by historical failures. although wendy's fight to clear her name is over, the impact it has had will forever stay with her. i have lost part of me that i don't think i'll ever get back. people thinking i was a thief... ..that�*s the worst thing ever. and my son and my dad not knowing, because they've both passed away, and they don't know that i've got this now. let's speak a bit more about this. janet skinner was jailed in 2007 for nine months over a shortfall of £59,000. shejoins us now, along with neil hudgell, the solicitor who represents 29 other postmasters who had their convictions overturned. thank you both very much for your time. janet, good morning, first up, how are you feeling today? relieved. yesterday it — how are you feeling today? relieved. yesterday it was _ how are you feeling today? relieved. yesterday it was a _ how are you feeling today? relieved. yesterday it was a mix _ how are you feeling today? relieved. yesterday it was a mix of _ how are you feeling today? relieved. yesterday it was a mix of emotions, l yesterday it was a mix of emotions, it was it like riding —— riding a roller—coaster. i it was it like riding -- riding a roller-coaster.— it was it like riding -- riding a roller-coaster. i can only imagine what that is _ roller-coaster. i can only imagine what that is like. _ roller-coaster. i can only imagine what that is like. we _ roller-coaster. i can only imagine what that is like. we will - roller-coaster. i can only imagine what that is like. we will cut - what that is like. we will cut detail in a moment with neal about what might happen next. janet, can't you put the personal side of this, as i understand it, you have to children who would have maybe been teenagers when this was unfolding and you were then jailed, can you tell us a bit about what it was like for you and your family, tell us a bit about what it was like for you and yourfamily, as of tell us a bit about what it was like for you and your family, as of this injustice was unfolding? both my children were teenagers at the time, my son was 1a and my daughter was 17, they were aware of everything going on but to be honest i try to keep lots of it away from them. your emotions are just all over, nobody believes you, i mean, nobody at the time, you've got that... when you are fighting against an organisation like the post office you have to take it with an army and luckily that is what we had in the end. you are not aware other sub postmaster is post—mistresses were being prosecuted and convicted so it must have felt very lonely. you being prosecuted and convicted so it must have felt very lonely.— must have felt very lonely. you do because you _ must have felt very lonely. you do because you end _ must have felt very lonely. you do because you end up _ must have felt very lonely. you do because you end up questioning i because you end up questioning yourself. because you are made to believe it is only happening to you and nobody else, you just think it is just you. and nobody else, you just think it isjust you. for me, 2012, meeting for the first time the others, it was such a relief to finally see... i was expecting to see about three orfour i was expecting to see about three or four people and i i was expecting to see about three orfour people and i think i was expecting to see about three or four people and i think there was about 50 people there and my mouth hit the floor, i was quite shocked. neil, you acted for 29 on the former sub postmasters who had their convictions overturned, i was not interested when we asked janet how she felt, she used the phrase being on cloud nine, i imagine there is also lots of anger today. as we heard in the piece before we introduced you both, people's lives have been affected for many years and changed irrevocably. you've just heard from both wendy and janet, those stories are told in similar ways, and janet, those stories are told in similarways, every and janet, those stories are told in similar ways, every one is unique, we are talking about loss of life, loss of liberty, in many instances lots of mind, the psychiatric symptoms some people experienced for “p symptoms some people experienced for up to two decades is quite horrific. yesterday clearly there was euphoria and relief but there was so many mixed emotions, deep down there was bitterness, people want to know why this happened. we've got the post office making statements about operations doing good but it's very difficult to repair that damage. janet, if we can pick up with you again, what is it that you are seeking now? both practically and in terms of any questions that you need answered. i think... at the minute i am just trying to get on yesterday, that i ever think it was going to come to that? no, never. iamjust trying ever think it was going to come to that? no, never. i am just trying to get through the next couple of days but there are certainly answers that need to be found, as to why it has been going on for so long and why we've had to fight so hard. it has just been a fight completely from start to finish. it's the same thing i've said over and over, nobody believes you anyway because you are the only person it has happened do and because of the post office, they were a trusted brand nobody wants to know. neil, in terms of what happens next, there has been a call for a full public enquiry, rather than the government's own enquiry which is set to report in the summer, a judge led enquiry, what difference would this make? . �* . led enquiry, what difference would this make? ., �*, ., , ., this make? that's a good question because for— this make? that's a good question because for some _ this make? that's a good question because for some not _ this make? that's a good question because for some not a _ this make? that's a good question because for some not a great - this make? that's a good question because for some not a great deal| this make? that's a good question i because for some not a great deal of difference. there is a feeling amongst some of my clients that those at the top of the food chain that bear responsibility are long since gone. their desire is not to wake up with the post office being the first and last thoughts at the next thing to cushion the blow to some extent is to seek compensation. some of these people have not worked since and clearly suffered. these are ordinary hard—working people, they were going out to earn a living and serve the community and their lives have been completely ruins to know is the time to do the right thing and come to table help cushion that blow and alongside that for the government to put their hand up and conduct a proper enquiry with full teeth so there can be some accountability because let's not forget in terms of numbers, and in terms of the duration of this conduct, this is probably the biggest miscarriage ofjustice in uk legal history. biggest miscarriage of 'ustice in uk legal history.* legal history. janet, newell was sa in: his legal history. janet, newell was saying his hope _ legal history. janet, newell was saying his hope is _ legal history. janet, newell was saying his hope is people - legal history. janet, newell was saying his hope is people like i legal history. janet, newell was i saying his hope is people like you will be able to maybe sometime soon wake up and not have post office the first thing they think about, i mean, aren't you getting any sense now that life can change a bit for you in that sense?— now that life can change a bit for you in that sense? yeah, you do feel a sense of life _ you in that sense? yeah, you do feel a sense of life can _ you in that sense? yeah, you do feel a sense of life can change _ you in that sense? yeah, you do feel a sense of life can change but - you in that sense? yeah, you do feel a sense of life can change but i - a sense of life can change but i think people who have been involved in this will never stop thinking about what the post office have actually done. the significance of yesterday was not just the fact we had our convictions overturned anyway, it was round one and round two. i don't think anybody will actually ever stop thinking about the post office. the destroyed too many people's lives. office. the destroyed too many people's lives-— office. the destroyed too many people's lives. well, janet, thank ou re people's lives. well, janet, thank you pretty much _ people's lives. well, janet, thank you pretty much for _ people's lives. well, janet, thank you pretty much for talking - people's lives. well, janet, thank you pretty much for talking to - people's lives. well, janet, thank you pretty much for talking to us| you pretty much for talking to us this morning. i hope you can move on and that with this behind you to some extent, life does improve and, neil, thank you pretty much as well, the solicitor who acted for 29 of the solicitor who acted for 29 of the foreign postmasters. in the ruling, thejudge said the foreign postmasters. in the ruling, the judge said the the foreign postmasters. in the ruling, thejudge said the post office knew there were issues with horizon and had a duty to investigate. the chairman of the post office, tim parker, has apologised for the impact "historicalfailures" had on the lives of postmasters and their families. he says the organisation continues to work to ensure such events can never happen again. here's ben with a look at this morning's weather. everybody is looking to you to reassure everybody at this little good patch is staying how it is. pretty much, it is staying dry certainly for the vast majority this weekend. sunshine amounts varying, many of us match starting this morning with beautiful sunny skies but more cloud for some, this was the scene of the north—east coast of england, one of the cloudier areas. more cloud this weekend, keeping quite a lot of sunshine for most places, turning cooler as well. high pressure close by and as long as thatis pressure close by and as long as that is the case, we stick with largely dry weather. i mention cloudy conditions, on the earlier image you can see this cloud to start across northern england and lower cloud across south—east scotland, that should lift and clear. much of this is quite high and wispy cloud and will turn the sunshine hazy drifting down into the midlands and east anglia. shetland having thick cloud and the odd shower. quite windy for the south and the channel islands, not breeze but fine for most and largely sunny. cool close to coast, further west some places possibly reaching 20 celsius. high pollen count, tree pollen at this time of year and most of�*s with high levels. through this evening and tonight, staying dry, clean spills for most, you can see more cloud full coming in for england, maybe eastern wales by the end of the night. overnight low temperatures, most places just above freezing, a touch of frost possible across north—eastern scotland in particular. tomorrow is another fine day with will change. more cloud for eastern and central england, maybe eastern wales at times. quite a windy day again towards the south of england and parts of south wales. the wind coming in on an easterly direction, quite chilly, some of these eastern areas just around 10 celsius. furtherthat these eastern areas just around 10 celsius. further that with a little bit cooler, northern ireland and scotland will see the highest temperatures tomorrow. while it is fine for getting out and about gardeners and growers and farmers i'm sure are looking for some rain, heading into monday there is some rain but only a bit. this frontal system diving down from the north introducing showery rain for scotland on monday and may be showers for northern ireland and northern england, fine further south. the rain in the north really... southwards into tuesday and wednesday. in the south of the uk not a lot of rain at all for the garden, may bejust uk not a lot of rain at all for the garden, may be just a few showers drifting through, some places probably staying completely dry. this coming week looks predominantly dry. good news if you're getting out and about but not such good news for the gardens. heading through the week, it is going to turn a chilly as i think you have given people what they wanted. most of us have been enjoying a bit more freedom recently — butjust imagine if you'd been stuck at home since the first lockdown, more than a year ago. that's the reality for thousands of children with complex health conditions who currently can't get a vaccine unless their gp decides they should get one. our health correspondent, dominic hughes, has been speaking to two families who have been fighting for a jab and a chance to get on with their lives. a year of isolation... i've already seen my son in icu with all of those drains and wires and breathing tubes. i just knew that that — i could not go through that again. ..and the toll it has taken. noah is the strongest person i know and this is — this is breaking him a bit. right, george. george is 13 years old and lives with a rare and dangerous form of epilepsy. it's left him with a host of health problems, and a covid infection could be lethal. it has been terrifying so we did not leave the house. at all? at all. what sort of impact has not had on the pair of you? there's no hope, no future there, no — i just wonder what we're here for, really. his severe health problems have not stopped george from having the vaccine. for noah, though, it is a very different story. before the pandemic, noah — seen here in the middle — was just starting to enjoy the independence of a young teenager. born with a damaged trachea orwindpipe, even a minor cough or cold can become very serious. but he has yet to have a jab. yeah, so the worst thing has been the loneliness. yeah. and the exclusion. yeah. i don't... i feel different. it'sjust me. the vaccine roll—out has meant an end to isolation for thousands of adults, but for children, it's different. only a gp or hospital consultant can authorise the use of a vaccine in vulnerable children and for noah, thatjust hasn't happened. well, it leaves me inside still, doesn't it? what can i do? i can stay in or i go out and risk catching it and get very ill. there's no choice. it intensifies the feeling that i have been forgotten about. there could be more effort made to get more vulnerable children back to school but i don't think the effort has been put in. parents complain the government's guidance is unclear and some gps are worried about prescribing a vaccine that is unlicensed for children. george's doctor agreed he should have the vaccine so now, he is free to head back to school. oh, the relief! just for george to be a boy again. that child was living a really fun, good life and that's gone and yeah, he's... he's... it's tough. it sounds really tough. yeah. really brings it home, the reality of that story. our thanks to emma and her son noah and to melanie and her son george for sharing their stories with our health correspondent, dominic hughes. joining us now is professor adam finn. he's head of the bristol children's vaccine centre and he also sits on thejoint committee on vaccination and immunisation. good morning to you, professor. anyone seeing that story, i don't know if you could see it orjust hear those voices, but young people, they find themselves in an agonising situation having already been through so many months, maybe a year of real isolation.— of real isolation. yes, very moving iece. of real isolation. yes, very moving piece- 0ne — of real isolation. yes, very moving piece. one really _ of real isolation. yes, very moving piece. one really feels _ of real isolation. yes, very moving piece. one really feels the - piece. one really feels the frustration and their sense of being trapped by this situation that these families are facing. a very important piece, to have shown, i think. ., , ., important piece, to have shown, i think. ., ., ~ , important piece, to have shown, i think. ., .w , ., think. can you talk us through the science around _ think. can you talk us through the science around the _ think. can you talk us through the science around the fact _ think. can you talk us through the science around the fact that - think. can you talk us through the science around the fact that the i science around the fact that the vaccines have not been licensed for under 16 blue and —— under 16s and yet hospital staff and gps have been advised that they can make that clinical decision, they can agree a child in certain circumstances can have a vaccination.— have a vaccination. yeah, i am a paediatrician _ have a vaccination. yeah, i am a paediatrician and _ have a vaccination. yeah, i am a paediatrician and in _ have a vaccination. yeah, i am a paediatrician and in my - have a vaccination. yeah, i am a paediatrician and in my normal i have a vaccination. yeah, i am a l paediatrician and in my normal life i spend my time doing vaccine trials in children, and children are very much prioritise foremost vaccine so it is a very unusual situation because i and other colleagues have spent the last year doing vaccine trials in adults, mostly older adults because of the nature of the problem is that covid presents. children have really very much got left behind in this programme, really because children for the most part have not been affected by covid in any serious weight, very small numbers of children have been seriously affected. we are impatient now to get on and do the necessary trials in children so these vaccines can start to be used and circumstances are holding a mac that —— holding us back. circumstances are holding a mac that -- holding us back.— -- holding us back. other evidence ofthe -- holding us back. other evidence of the vaccinations _ -- holding us back. other evidence of the vaccinations are _ -- holding us back. other evidence of the vaccinations are a _ -- holding us back. other evidence of the vaccinations are a risk - -- holding us back. other evidence of the vaccinations are a risk to - of the vaccinations are a risk to under 16s?— of the vaccinations are a risk to under 16s? , . ., under 16s? there is evidence for more or less _ under 16s? there is evidence for more or less all _ under 16s? there is evidence for more or less all of _ under 16s? there is evidence for more or less all of the _ under 16s? there is evidence for more or less all of the vaccines. more or less all of the vaccines against covid, that the side—effect rate, that we see, basically goes up the younger you are. so we do need to find out what the right dose is of these vaccines in younger people before we can use them safely and effectively and that is what we really need to get on and do it now so we can immunise at the very least the children that you were demonstrating other that are thought to be more vulnerable to serious infection. . . to be more vulnerable to serious infection. , , , ., , , to be more vulnerable to serious infection. , , , , ., , infection. this is probably a very silly question. — infection. this is probably a very silly question, given _ infection. this is probably a very silly question, given under- silly question, given under 16—year—olds are not being given the vaccines, how can we ever know whether, what the risk factor is? the way we do that is to run trials in younger people, first of all, teenagers and then younger children, to monitor very closely their immune responses and rates of side effects, in order to provide mhra with the data that they would need in order to authorise the use of the vaccines in younger people. is to authorise the use of the vaccines in younger people-— to authorise the use of the vaccines in younger people. is that happening now? we started _ in younger people. is that happening now? we started a _ in younger people. is that happening now? we started a study _ in younger people. is that happening now? we started a study with - in younger people. is that happening now? we started a study with the . now? we started a study with the oxford vaccine _ now? we started a study with the oxford vaccine and _ now? we started a study with the oxford vaccine and that _ now? we started a study with the oxford vaccine and that has - now? we started a study with the oxford vaccine and that has been| oxford vaccine and that has been currently temporarily suspended while the concerns around blood clots and investigated. a similar situation with the jansen vaccine, the pfizer vaccine has been trialled in teenagers and a press release has been released but we've not seen the full data and we are starting to do studies with the other vaccines. you said in your — studies with the other vaccines. you said in your normal dayjob you are a paediatrician, we spoke to one of our regular gps and asked her if she had agreed to give any under 16—year—olds in vaccination and she said no, and none of her colleagues had. this is a huge responsibility for gps and hospitals, to take that decision given what you've told us about how little is known about how about how little is known about how a child might react. it about how little is known about how a child might react.— a child might react. it is. the only recommendation _ a child might react. it is. the only recommendation they've - a child might react. it is. the only recommendation they've made i a child might react. it is. the only - recommendation they've made relates to a very specific subgroup of children with chronic neuro disabilities and chronic respiratory problems in residential care where we've advised the vaccine, the pfizer vaccine could be given to 12—year—olds and older because we have seen a signal suggesting these children can get very sick and dying from covid. for the other groups we've not seen that. although there has been a lot of potential concern that children with chronic lung conditions, neurological conditions like the child in the film, might be at high risk we've not in practice seen that happening so for that reason the balance of risk and benefit in the absence of data, pollute difficult for anyone to recommend giving the vaccines. i come back every time as i'm sure you do and jcvi does, we come back to one of those young men we spoke to earlier who said the choice they have now given that they cannot have the vaccine is carry on shielding and leading this life of not leading and leading this life of not leading a normal life, or as their gps or hospitals would advise, in genuine excess risk if they try and go about their normal lives. that is a desperate situation and given what you said about the trials, this appears not to have a timeline on it. ~ ~' appears not to have a timeline on it. ~ ~ ., , it. well, i think the trials will aet it. well, i think the trials will get done. — it. well, i think the trials will get done. but _ it. well, i think the trials will get done, but it _ it. well, i think the trials will get done, but it won't - it. well, i think the trials will get done, but it won't be - it. well, i think the trials will- get done, but it won't be immediate, it will be a matter of a few months before we have the data. and i think in a way that these young people are facing a similar but much worse scenario that the rest of us all faced in trying to decide the risk and benefit balance we all face in normalising our lives. one of the things we may be able to do is re—evaluate just how at—risk some of these clinical extremely vulnerable groups really are so at least they have that information because at least we got a year of experience now of the fact that most of these groups even though they've been shielding, some of them have got infected and not become seriously ill so we may be able to improve that information to help people make informed choices about normalising what they do. in terms of advice, the government advice, jcvi advice, to those families are in that situation, how do you advise them? is the advice to caution? it becomes a personal decision about which they cannot really be told what to do. i sort of conjuring that correctly? the really be told what to do. i sort of conjuring that correctly? con'uring that correctly? the jcvi's 'ob conjuring that correctly? the jcvi's 'ob is to conjuring that correctly? the jcvi's job is to make _ conjuring that correctly? the jcvi's job is to make recommendations i job is to make recommendations around at the vaccination, who should receive it. i think it is very much in at the hands of the royal college of paediatricians and child health and special scripts to advise their patients about the risks we actually face based on the evidence they have actually got. we do have to help these families and give them clear advice as to the risks they are facing and what they should be doing. that doesn't really fall to the jcvi should be doing. that doesn't really fall to thejcvi to do, but it is advice that is badly needed. it fall to the jcvi to do, but it is advice that is badly needed. it has been interesting _ advice that is badly needed. it has been interesting to _ advice that is badly needed. it has been interesting to speak - advice that is badly needed. it has been interesting to speak to - advice that is badly needed. it has been interesting to speak to you this morning, much appreciated for your time. thank you. we've become used to quiet football grounds over the past year because of fans having to stay at home — but this week a special tournament took place where players also remained silent. the idea was to show the importance of talking for our mental health — and the event was supported by the former arsenal and england midfielder, paul merson, who has been open about his own struggles. graham satchell went to see the teams in action. football in silence— it's unnerving, or these five aside games organised by the public and the mental health charity, calm. in goal, former arsenal and england legend, paul merson, who was always vocal when he played. merson, who was always vocal when he .la ed. ., , , merson, who was always vocal when he -la ed. , ., merson, who was always vocal when he -la ed. . ., , played. players would get the hump with me because _ played. players would get the hump with me because i _ played. players would get the hump with me because i was _ played. players would get the hump with me because i was constantly i with me because i was constantly calling for the ball because ijust wanted to play football, ijust loved playing. wanted to play football, i 'ust loved playing-i wanted to play football, i 'ust loved playing. teed up nicely for nursinl loved playing. teed up nicely for nursing to _ loved playing. teed up nicely for nursing to shoot! _ loved playing. teed up nicely for nursing to shoot! that _ loved playing. teed up nicely for nursing to shoot! that goal- loved playing. teed up nicely for nursing to shoot! that goal for. nursing to shoot! that goal for arsenal— nursing to shoot! that goal for arsenal coming _ nursing to shoot! that goal for arsenal coming just— nursing to shoot! that goal for arsenal coming just when - nursing to shoot! that goal forj arsenal coming just when they nursing to shoot! that goal for- arsenal coming just when they needed it. arsenal coming 'ust when they needed it. ,, .. ,, ., arsenal coming 'ust when they needed it. ,. arsenal coming 'ust when they needed it. success on the pitch hid a dark secret- merson _ it. success on the pitch hid a dark secret- merson was _ it. success on the pitch hid a dark secret- merson was addicted - it. success on the pitch hid a dark secret- merson was addicted to i secret— merson was addicted to drink, drugs, gambling. at one point in the 90s, he contemplated taking his own life. i’m in the 90s, he contemplated taking his own life-— his own life. i'm pulling for arsenal and _ his own life. i'm pulling for arsenal and england - his own life. i'm pulling for arsenal and england and i his own life. i'm pulling for. arsenal and england and i'm his own life. i'm pulling for - arsenal and england and i'm having these thoughts in my head. i'm thinking if i told anyone, and the finish, i'm going to be locked up and put in a straitjacket. this finish, i'm going to be locked up and put in a straitjacket.- and put in a strait'acket. this is not normal. _ and put in a strait'acket. this is not normal. so — and put in a straitjacket. this is not normal. so for— and put in a straitjacket. this is not normal. so for years - and put in a straitjacket. this is not normal. so for years paul. and put in a straitjacket. this is - not normal. so for years paul merson stayed silent and suffered. on another pitch, matt legg, who became seriously depressed when he was at university. it seriously depressed when he was at universi . .., . , seriously depressed when he was at universi . , , , university. it completely absorbed m mind university. it completely absorbed my mind in _ university. it completely absorbed my mind in terms _ university. it completely absorbed my mind in terms of _ university. it completely absorbed my mind in terms of depression, i j my mind in terms of depression, i couldrfl— my mind in terms of depression, i couldn't see — my mind in terms of depression, i couldn't see any future for myself going _ couldn't see any future for myself going forward and that was very scary _ going forward and that was very scary it— going forward and that was very scary. it was also very tough at me and my— scary. it was also very tough at me and my family. scary. it was also very tough at me and my family-— scary. it was also very tough at me and my family. these games of silent football had been _ and my family. these games of silent football had been put _ and my family. these games of silent football had been put on _ and my family. these games of silent football had been put on to _ and my family. these games of silent football had been put on to show- football had been put on to show just how weird it is when people don't talk, don't even celebrate. it was impossible. football is all about communication, and when you can communicate it feels strange. reflecting on real—life instances, it is very important. you reflecting on real-life instances, it is very important.— it is very important. you are 'ust wavinl it is very important. you are 'ust vevlngvourfi it is very important. you are 'ust waving your arms i it is very important. you are 'ust waving your arms around. h it is very important. you are just waving your arms around. it's i it is very important. you are just waving your arms around. it's a | it is very important. you are just i waving your arms around. it's a bit like being — waving your arms around. it's a bit like being tied up when you are playing — like being tied up when you are lla inl. ~ like being tied up when you are vla inl. ~ ~' , like being tied up when you are vla inl. ~ ~ , ., playing. men feel like they need to suffer in silence, _ playing. men feel like they need to suffer in silence, they _ playing. men feel like they need to suffer in silence, they don't - playing. men feel like they need to suffer in silence, they don't reach i suffer in silence, they don't reach out to— suffer in silence, they don't reach out to start — suffer in silence, they don't reach out to start that _ suffer in silence, they don't reach out to start that journey- suffer in silence, they don't reach out to start that journey to - suffer in silence, they don't reach out to start that journey to help i out to start that journey to help themselves _ out to start that journey to help themselves and _ out to start that journey to help themselves and get _ out to start that journey to help themselves and get the - out to start that journey to helpi themselves and get the recovery out to start that journey to help - themselves and get the recovery they deserve _ themselves and get the recovery they deserve 50— themselves and get the recovery they deserve so by— themselves and get the recovery they deserve. so by playing _ themselves and get the recovery they deserve. so by playing today- themselves and get the recovery they deserve. so by playing today and - themselves and get the recovery they deserve. so by playing today and are i deserve. so by playing today and are showing _ deserve. so by playing today and are showing the — deserve. so by playing today and are showing the power— deserve. so by playing today and are showing the power of— deserve. so by playing today and are showing the power of silence - deserve. so by playing today and are showing the power of silence and - showing the power of silence and highlighting — showing the power of silence and highlighting how— showing the power of silence and highlighting how important - highlighting how important communication _ highlighting how important communication is, - highlighting how important communication is, i- highlighting how important communication is, i think. highlighting how important - communication is, i think hopefully it will— communication is, i think hopefully it will reach — communication is, i think hopefully it will reach some _ communication is, i think hopefully it will reach some people _ communication is, i think hopefully it will reach some people and - communication is, i think hopefullyj it will reach some people and make them _ it will reach some people and make them realise — it will reach some people and make them realise it's— it will reach some people and make them realise it's absolutely- it will reach some people and make them realise it's absolutely 0k - it will reach some people and make them realise it's absolutely 0k and | them realise it's absolutely 0k and they deserve — them realise it's absolutely 0k and they deserve to _ them realise it's absolutely 0k and they deserve to get _ them realise it's absolutely 0k and they deserve to get help _ them realise it's absolutely 0k and they deserve to get help and - them realise it's absolutely 0k and j they deserve to get help and speak out, and _ they deserve to get help and speak out, and encourage _ they deserve to get help and speak out, and encourage that— they deserve to get help and speak i out, and encourage that conversation amongst _ out, and encourage that conversation amongst their— out, and encourage that conversation amongst their friends— out, and encourage that conversation amongst their friends and _ out, and encourage that conversation amongst their friends and family - out, and encourage that conversation amongst their friends and family and | amongst their friends and family and help them _ amongst their friends and family and help them on— amongst their friends and family and help them on their _ amongst their friends and family and help them on their road _ amongst their friends and family and help them on their road to _ amongst their friends and family and help them on their road to living - amongst their friends and family and help them on their road to living a i help them on their road to living a happier— help them on their road to living a happier and — help them on their road to living a happier and regular— help them on their road to living a happier and regular life. _ in the second—half, normal service is resumed, and that there is plenty of shouting. matt was helped through his depression by talking, firstly to his cousin ian, and then getting professional help. together they have set up a football club called fc not, alone, to help men with their problems. paul merson also eventually got help. i their problems. paul merson also eventually got help.— eventually got help. i have an illness was — eventually got help. i have an illness was that _ eventually got help. i have an illness was that i _ eventually got help. i have an illness was that i know - eventually got help. i have an illness was that i know today | eventually got help. i have an | illness was that i know today i eventually got help. i have an - illness was that i know today i have an illness that i need to keep under control. i'm a nice person, i'm a good person to stop before, i used to think i was a bad person, and that wasn't me, that was my illness. when people don't talk and then start talking, i think it makes a difference to everything, football and life. with life, you have to talk. on the back of myjumper, i've got quite make a problem shared is a problem halved quite end and it is so true. ,, . ., , , , so true. suicide remains the biggest killer of men — so true. suicide remains the biggest killer of men under _ so true. suicide remains the biggest killer of men under 45 _ so true. suicide remains the biggest killer of men under 45 in _ so true. suicide remains the biggest killer of men under 45 in the - so true. suicide remains the biggest killer of men under 45 in the uk. . killer of men under 45 in the uk. the message here is simple but powerful high phone don't suffer in silence. that's interesting, isn't it? the idea fc not _ that's interesting, isn't it? the idea fc not alone, _ that's interesting, isn't it? he idea fc not alone, and that's interesting, isn't it? i“ie: idea fc not alone, and getting that's interesting, isn't it? “iie: idea fc not alone, and getting the message of people need to talk. not even been allowed to celebrate a goal with your team—mates, just to get that message of don't stay silent. �* . . , get that message of don't stay silent. v . , . get that message of don't stay silent. �*, ., , ., , silent. it's a very important. it is also also good — silent. it's a very important. it is also also good to _ silent. it's a very important. it is also also good to see _ silent. it's a very important. it is also also good to see former- silent. it's a very important. it is - also also good to see former players using their platform. it’s also also good to see former players using their platform.— using their platform. it's been really important _ using their platform. it's been really important above - using their platform. it's been really important above all - using their platform. it's been | really important above all they using their platform. it's been - really important above all they have been through. talk about being vocal. only fans of the clubs that were going to join the european super league, there are no signs that anger is abating. the clubs are doing their best to make peace with their fans. last night the chelsea owner said he deeply regretted his club signing up to the doomed super league, but so far, it's doing little to quell the anger of fans. at one of the other teams, the tottenham hotspur supporters' trust, last night called for their club's board to resign, claiming the relationship with them to be, irrepairably broken. and before that, over a thousand arsenalfans marched past the emirates before the game against everton, many singing "we want our arsenal back" and calling for majority shareholder owner stan kroenke to leave. the gunners were one of the 12 founding members of the esl before withdrawing on tuesday. stan kroenke, the owner of arsenal, doesn't care about the club at all, and it's the same for all clubs in england, and we need as many people here as possible to just make a stand against owners that don't care about the club. we just need him gone now. we need someone new that cares about the club, who's going to put money back in. everybody's so upset about it. i i think we're just trying to makel a stand and see if we can get him out and get someone in the club who's willing to put money- in and invest in the club- and players and take us forward. the arsenal players arrived early for the match to avoid the protests, and manager mikel arteta said he understood the reason for them, but said it was no excuse for a sorry night for his team on the pitch. everton won 1—0 — the goal came towarsds the end and was an own goal by gunners keeper, bernd leno, who fumbled the ball into his own net. everton winning at arsenal for the first time since 1996, and what a boost as it leaves them three points off the champions league places. let's find out what's on football focus at lunchtime. what a crazy week. it has kept us all so busy. we are yet to see if there will be any formal sanctions on the six clubs involved, but the fans really can seem to punish their own clubs in any way they can at the moment. i own clubs in any way they can at the moment. .. . own clubs in any way they can at the moment. ~' ., , ., moment. i think the fan unrest and -rotests moment. i think the fan unrest and protests at — moment. i think the fan unrest and protests at games _ moment. i think the fan unrest and protests at games will _ moment. i think the fan unrest and protests at games will probably - protests at games will probably continue for the week. i think there are many supporters out there who will not let this one go. jose mourinho this week of course lift spirits, and hardly anybody has mentioned it at all. we will talk a little bit about what has happened at spurs this weekend. we'll also talk about the breakaway super league which seems to have collapsed. we are also on the programme by the former arsenal chairman and co—owner, dave keane. it will be really fascinating to get his thoughts on what has happened in the last week or so. also, former prime minister gordon brown, who is unsure about the super league proposals. we will be trying to get to the bottom of what happened next. ole gunnar solskjaer will also be on the programme. ed woodward has of course announced his intention to resign at the end of the season. that is so much going on in football, will try to cover as much as we can. we also have a piece on fc at united of manchester, we will hear their take on what has happened this week and why they were individually set up, because of the ownership of the club they were supporting at the time to stop we also have the action from the arsenal and everton game. a late equaliser against manchester city on wednesday night mean chelsea women are very close to retaining the wsl title. we'll hear from their boss on the show. also, a piece on a southend united. we will hear from their boss from 2018, he has now gone back. the cupboard and a very poor state, they are second from bottom in the football league. the fans are unhappy about the way it has been run, about decisions made. here is phil brown. you can see it's a beautiful part of the world — you can see it's a beautiful part of the world i— you can see it's a beautiful part of the world. i thought i could bring that sunshine back to the players. a couple _ that sunshine back to the players. a couple of _ that sunshine back to the players. a couple of wins, everybodyjust starts — couple of wins, everybodyjust starts believing again. do couple of wins, everybody 'ust starts believing again.�* couple of wins, everybody 'ust starts believing again. do you think ou milht starts believing again. do you think you might be _ starts believing again. do you think you might be able _ starts believing again. do you think you might be able to _ starts believing again. do you think you might be able to pull— starts believing again. do you think you might be able to pull off - starts believing again. do you think you might be able to pull off what i you might be able to pull off what would _ 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then, are you enjoying — it was lovely. then, are you enjoying this? _ it was lovely. then, are you enjoying this? i— it was lovely. then, are you enjoying this? i am - it was lovely. then, are you enjoying this? i am loving l it was lovely. then, are you i enjoying this? i am loving bad. it was lovely. then, are you - enjoying this? i am loving bad. i would like _ enjoying this? i am loving bad. i would like one _ enjoying this? i am loving bad. i would like one here. _ enjoying this? i am loving bad. i would like one here. may- enjoying this? i am loving bad. i would like one here. may be - enjoying this? i am loving bad. i would like one here. may be a i would like one here. may be a robotic— would like one here. may be a robotic sheep— would like one here. may be a robotic sheep or— would like one here. may be a robotic sheep or something. i would like one here. may be a . robotic sheep or something. you could have _ robotic sheep or something. you could have won _ robotic sheep or something. you could have won it _ robotic sheep or something. could have won it bleating at robotic sheep or something.“ could have won it bleating at you, couldn't you? it is not looking too bad this weekend. it is looking that i thought most of us. it is not that sunny everywhere. a bit of hype halved around, turning the sunshine hazy for some. high pressure in charge, it's going to be mainly dry at this weekend. that area of high cloud, you can see it on the satellite picture, it is high and wispy, not spoiling the day too much. there is currently at lower cloud across parts of scotland and england. we will see some long spells of sunshine through the day. quite windy down to the far south—west and the channel islands, taking the edge off the feel of things. some of the eastern coasts will on the cool site. maybe 20 degrees for at the west coast of wales. high pollen levels worth bearing in mild if you sufferfrom a 3 level, 4 —— 3 pollen. through tonight, it stays dry for the vast majority. a bit more clogged filters in across eastern and central parts of england, into east wales as well. temperature stating above freezing for most of us, a touch of frost for some. entertomorrow, it's another fine —looking day. a bit more cloud across parts of england, may be getting into east wales. that is also aware that we will see the lightest of the wind throughout the day. stronger winds further south, the wind not coming from a particularly warm direction making it a chilly for some southern and eastern coasts. for many of you might well be looking for some rain and that is some in the forecast for the start of the week. a system dives into scotland bringing some showery rain across scotland through the day on monday. no he the shower breaking out in northern ireland and parts of north—west england. if you your god did not down to the south—east is a looking guy at the moment and you want some rain, it will peter out as it sinks out. a lot of that rain is going to peter out and that is a lot of dry weather still on the card through the week ahead. that is all from me for now. this is thelma. she looked at the ready relax _ this is thelma. she looked at the ready relax are _ this is thelma. she looked at the ready relax are very _ this is thelma. she looked at the ready relax are very bored. - this is thelma. she looked at the ready relax are very bored. their| ready relax are very bored. their elo, cat ready relax are very bored. their ego, cat listening _ ready relax are very bored. their ego, cat listening to _ ready relax are very bored. their ego, cat listening to weather- ego, cat listening to weather forecaster. so, this is thelma that is... .., forecaster. so, this is thelma that is... , forecaster. so, this is thelma that is... go day. they are robopets and they respond _ is... go day. they are robopets and they respond to _ is... go day. they are robopets and they respond to touch. _ is... go day. they are robopets and they respond to touch. this - is... go day. they are robopets and they respond to touch. this one - is... go day. they are robopets and | they respond to touch. this one has been padding _ they respond to touch. this one has been padding throughout. - they respond to touch. this one has| been padding throughout. hundreds they respond to touch. this one has i been padding throughout. hundreds of these have been _ been padding throughout. hundreds of these have been sent _ been padding throughout. hundreds of these have been sent to _ been padding throughout. hundreds of these have been sent to care - been padding throughout. hundreds of these have been sent to care homes i these have been sent to care homes to help people with dementia, because they actually are quite the pubic. alex until now, they have had the streets of leigh—on—sea, in essex, to themselves, but now there's a new cat on the block. ari is delivering ten so—called robopets to admiral court care home. they are destined for residents here who are in desperate need of company. mary, who is 97, has finally ventured out of her room, and it's all thanks to her new friend, tilly. hello, darling. ok, she's as much software as soft fur, software as soft fur, but after a week, the two are inseparable. i looked at her, my heart went for her. why is she so special? i don't know. it's something that is unusual. i never saw a thing like that. she is saying hello. hello, darling. one resident who continuously walks around _ one resident who continuously walks around will— one resident who continuously walks around will now sit down to cuddle with the _ around will now sit down to cuddle with the cat, speak to the cat. a lady— with the cat, speak to the cat. a lady who— with the cat, speak to the cat. a lady who started as nonverbal is now trying _ lady who started as nonverbal is now trying to _ lady who started as nonverbal is now trying to communicate with us. wouldn't — trying to communicate with us. wouldn't it be nice if you could give _ wouldn't it be nice if you could give the — wouldn't it be nice if you could give the gift— wouldn't it be nice if you could give the gift of— wouldn't it be nice if you could give the gift of comfort... - wouldn't it be nice if you could give the gift of comfort... thel give the gift of comfort... the robotic cats _ give the gift of comfort... the robotic cats and _ give the gift of comfort... robotic cats and dogs were give the gift of comfort...- robotic cats and dogs were first child in care homes in america five years ago. they cost around £100. jacqui smith, a dementia nurse, gave me a hands on guide. ii jacqui smith, a dementia nurse, gave me a hands on guide.— me a hands on guide. if you tickle underneath. _ me a hands on guide. if you tickle underneath, it _ me a hands on guide. if you tickle underneath, it will _ me a hands on guide. if you tickle underneath, it will roll _ me a hands on guide. if you tickle underneath, it will roll over - me a hands on guide. if you tickle underneath, it will roll over onto i underneath, it will roll over onto its belly. underneath, it will roll over onto its bell . . ., . underneath, it will roll over onto itsbell. . ., .. , ., underneath, it will roll over onto itsbell. .., .. , its belly. electronic censors on his bod do its belly. electronic censors on his body do what _ its belly. electronic censors on his body do what you _ its belly. electronic censors on his body do what you with _ its belly. electronic censors on his body do what you with noises - its belly. electronic censors on his| body do what you with noises when stroked or tickled. locate body do what you with noises when stroked or tickled.— body do what you with noises when stroked or tickled. we now have them rolled out across _ stroked or tickled. we now have them rolled out across the _ stroked or tickled. we now have them rolled out across the whole _ stroked or tickled. we now have them rolled out across the whole of - stroked or tickled. we now have them rolled out across the whole of mid - rolled out across the whole of mid and south — rolled out across the whole of mid and south essex. about 300 at the moment _ and south essex. about 300 at the moment it — and south essex. about 300 at the moment. it is notjust for the clade homes, _ moment. it is notjust for the clade homes, it— moment. it is notjust for the clade homes, it is— moment. it is notjust for the clade homes, it is actually being given to the community dementia teams as well and they— the community dementia teams as well and they are being given to patients intheir— and they are being given to patients in their own — and they are being given to patients in their own homes. mary and they are being given to patients in their own homes.— in their own homes. mary says she will never part _ in their own homes. mary says she will never part from _ in their own homes. mary says she will never part from a _ in their own homes. mary says she will never part from a telly, - in their own homes. mary says she will never part from a telly, but. will never part from a telly, but the welcome from others in the neighbourhood, cute neighbourhood perhaps not quite as enthusiastic. we'rejoined now by dr rebecca abbott, who was involved in the research. we are thoroughly enjoying the comfort of these pets, thelma and goldie. it is almost a remarkably simple idea that has made a difference. it simple idea that has made a difference.— simple idea that has made a difference. ., , ., , . difference. it really has. we did some research _ difference. it really has. we did some research that _ difference. it really has. we did some research that pulled - difference. it really has. we did - some research that pulled together all the _ some research that pulled together all the studies that have been looking — all the studies that have been looking at robopets. for some, they really— looking at robopets. for some, they really do _ looking at robopets. for some, they really do create the sense of comfort, _ really do create the sense of comfort, they reduce isolation. we are not— comfort, they reduce isolation. we are not exactly sure why they do it. we think— are not exactly sure why they do it. we think if— are not exactly sure why they do it. we think if you are an animal lover or had _ we think if you are an animal lover or had a _ we think if you are an animal lover or had a pet— we think if you are an animal lover or had a pet previously... oh, what a shame- — or had a pet previously... oh, what a shame- we _ or had a pet previously... oh, what a shame. we will _ or had a pet previously... oh, what a shame. we will see _ or had a pet previously. .. oh, what a shame. we will see if— or had a pet previously... oh, what a shame. we will see if we - or had a pet previously... oh, what a shame. we will see if we can - or had a pet previously... oh, what a shame. we will see if we can get| a shame. we will see if we can get her back. i a shame. we will see if we can get her back. .., a shame. we will see if we can get her back. .. . ., a shame. we will see if we can get her back. .. .., ., ., , her back. i can confirm amongst other things _ her back. i can confirm amongst other things of... _ her back. i can confirm amongst other things of... , _ her back. i can confirm amongst other things of... , she - her back. i can confirm amongst other things of... , she is. - her back. i can confirm amongst| other things of... , she is. sorry, ou are other things of... , she is. sorry, you are in — other things of... , she is. sorry, you are in mid-flow, _ other things of... , she is. sorry, you are in mid-flow, deeper, - other things of... , she is. sorry, i you are in mid-flow, deeper, where you are in mid—flow, deeper, where left off. you are in mid-flow, deeper, where left off. . . . you are in mid-flow, deeper, where left off. , ., . ., , you are in mid-flow, deeper, where leftoff. , ., . , ., left off. the research has shown that these _ left off. the research has shown that these robopets _ left off. the research has shown that these robopets really - left off. the research has shown that these robopets really do i left off. the research has shown i that these robopets really do reduce isolation _ that these robopets really do reduce isolation and isolation for some residents— isolation and isolation for some residents in the care homes, not 'ust residents in the care homes, not just residents with dementia. the research — just residents with dementia. the research shows if you are an animal lover— research shows if you are an animal lover and _ research shows if you are an animal lover and had a pet orjust curious, these _ lover and had a pet orjust curious, these robopets bring out a sense of curiosity. _ these robopets bring out a sense of curiosity, but they also provide a bit of— curiosity, but they also provide a bit of and — curiosity, but they also provide a bit of and fun. it's also something to care _ bit of and fun. it's also something to care for~ — bit of and fun. it's also something to care for. the residents like the sensitive — to care for. the residents like the sensitive nature of the pet, having that touch, — sensitive nature of the pet, having that touch, and the fact it actually responds— that touch, and the fact it actually responds to your touch is really key to the _ responds to your touch is really key to the robopets working. talk responds to your touch is really key to the robopets working.— to the robopets working. talk to us about the other _ to the robopets working. talk to us about the other types _ to the robopets working. talk to us about the other types of _ to the robopets working. talk to us about the other types of patients, i about the other types of patients, those who aren't suffering with dementia, how these have helped them. ~ , ., ., dementia, how these have helped them. ~ y., ., ., dementia, how these have helped them. ~ ., ., , them. whether you are a resident livinl with them. whether you are a resident living with dementia _ them. whether you are a resident living with dementia or _ them. whether you are a resident living with dementia or not, i them. whether you are a residentj living with dementia or not, these robopets — living with dementia or not, these robopets seem to work for both. we think it _ robopets seem to work for both. we think it relates to the personal identity. — think it relates to the personal identity, something from your past, whether— identity, something from your past, whether you were an animal lover, but that— whether you were an animal lover, but that you — whether you were an animal lover, but that you had a pet in your childhood, perhaps. but there is something about the context of personal— something about the context of personal identity that means some will engage, and some residents will not engage. it's a bit marmite, some don't _ not engage. it's a bit marmite, some don't really— not engage. it's a bit marmite, some don't really like this toy. it's not going _ don't really like this toy. it's not going to — don't really like this toy. it's not going to be for everyone, but it will help— going to be for everyone, but it will help some.— going to be for everyone, but it will help some. doctor abbott, is there anything — will help some. doctor abbott, is there anything you _ will help some. doctor abbott, is there anything you would - will help some. doctor abbott, is there anything you would like i will help some. doctor abbott, is there anything you would like to l will help some. doctor abbott, is i there anything you would like to say to thelma here? i there anything you would like to say to thelma here?— to thelma here? i have a thelma of m own to thelma here? i have a thelma of my own in — to thelma here? i have a thelma of my own in my _ to thelma here? i have a thelma of my own in my office _ to thelma here? i have a thelma of my own in my office which - to thelma here? i have a thelma of my own in my office which i - to thelma here? i have a thelma of my own in my office which i haven't| my own in my office which i haven't been _ my own in my office which i haven't been able _ my own in my office which i haven't been able to— my own in my office which i haven't been able to get to interview for a year~ _ been able to get to interview for a year~ enon— been able to get to interview for a year. enjoy thelma and the reaction you get— year. enjoy thelma and the reaction you get from her. in year. enjoy thelma and the reaction you get from her-— you get from her. in amongst the other authentic _ you get from her. in amongst the other authentic things _ you get from her. in amongst the other authentic things about i you get from her. in amongst the other authentic things about this | other authentic things about this cat, i'm absolutely covid in hair. that part of the equation has certainly been sorted out. it is very real. _ certainly been sorted out. it is very real, isn't _ certainly been sorted out. it is very real, isn't it? _ certainly been sorted out. it is very real, isn't it? that i certainly been sorted out. it is very real, isn't it? that is i certainly been sorted out. it is very real, isn't it? that is the thing — very real, isn't it? that is the thing about them, they are more than a cuddly— thing about them, they are more than a cuddly toy~ — thing about them, they are more than a cuddly toy. care homes often allow pets. _ a cuddly toy. care homes often allow pets. but _ a cuddly toy. care homes often allow pets, but they can have this halfway house _ pets, but they can have this halfway house and _ pets, but they can have this halfway house and for some residents that is perfect _ house and for some residents that is perfect companionship. the}r house and for some residents that is perfect companionship.— perfect companionship. they are not chea -. perfect companionship. they are not chea-. in perfect companionship. they are not cheap. in amount _ perfect companionship. they are not cheap. in amount looking _ perfect companionship. they are not cheap. in amount looking at - perfect companionship. they are not cheap. in amount looking at this i perfect companionship. they are notj cheap. in amount looking at this and thinking this would work perfectly for a relative, at the moment, they are not something they can just nip out and get quite easily. the are not something they can 'ust nip out and get quite easily.i out and get quite easily. the ones that ou out and get quite easily. the ones that you have _ out and get quite easily. the ones that you have got _ out and get quite easily. the ones that you have got out _ out and get quite easily. the ones that you have got out about i out and get quite easily. the ones that you have got out about £100 | out and get quite easily. the ones| that you have got out about £100 i think _ that you have got out about £100 i think. there are some cheaper, less responsive _ think. there are some cheaper, less responsive robopets that actually 'ust responsive robopets that actually just make noises. but these are much cheaper— just make noises. but these are much cheaper than — just make noises. but these are much cheaper than the original model is ten years— cheaper than the original model is ten years ago, which were several thousands— ten years ago, which were several thousands pounds. there are more of them, _ thousands pounds. there are more of them, and _ thousands pounds. there are more of them, and they are cheaper. | them, and they are cheaper. solicit them, and they are cheaper. i solicit some sort of response and gets things going, that is good isn't it? . gets things going, that is good isn't it? , ., ,.,, , gets things going, that is good isn't it? , ., , , ., isn't it? these robopets seem to act like a catalyst _ isn't it? these robopets seem to act like a catalyst to _ isn't it? these robopets seem to act like a catalyst to stimulate - like a catalyst to stimulate interaction. staff were finding themselves talking to residents about— themselves talking to residents about things they hadn't been able to before _ about things they hadn't been able to before it because the robopets stimulated new memories. good to s-eak stimulated new memories. good to s . eak to stimulated new memories. good to speak to you _ stimulated new memories. good to speak to you this — stimulated new memories. good to speak to you this morning, - stimulated new memories. good to speak to you this morning, thanki stimulated new memories. good to i speak to you this morning, thank you so much. it's been fun having them here. i'll be honest, once or twice i've been slightly confused as to whether that need noises have been coming from you or the dog. stay with us, headlines coming up. good morning welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today: distressing scenes in hospitals in india — overwhelmed by a record surge in coronavirus cases, medical staff are at breaking point. there is no space, so a patient who needs an icu comes to the casualty, right? what do i do? the prime minister is forced to deny any wrongdoing, in response to a scathing attack on his conduct from his former closest ally dominic cummings. calls for a public inquiry, after 39 former post office workers have their convictions quashed in the uk's most widespread miscarriage ofjustice. give us our club back, the chant from arsenal fans, on the march, in there, hundreds over their clubs, involvement in the failed european super league — ahead of their team's home defeat to everton. this exceptionally dry spell of april weather continues through the weekend. it is going to turn a bit cooler, though. if you're looking for some rain, well, there is some in the forecast for next week, but how much? i'll have the details later in the programme. good morning. it's saturday the 24th of april. india's supreme court says the country is facing a national emergency as its health care system buckles under a second wave of coronavirus patients. many hospitals are full, oxygen supplies are desperately low and the number of new cases is spiralling out of control. let's take a look at the latest numbers, released by the indian health ministry. the country has seen more than 346,000 new cases in the past 24 hours. that's a global record for the third day in a row. more than 2,600 people have died in the same period — with severely ill patients being turned away from hospitals. and the rapid acceleration of infections can be seen here — with the number of new cases rising to three times its previous peak, in just a few weeks. let's speak now to our correspondent nikhil inamdar, who is in the state of maharashtra — one of the hardest hit regions. obviously there are appeals, i was seeing them on social media, people trying to get beds and oxygen, these are for medical staff and their authorities are being told they need to do more to tackle this crisis. absolutely. indian twitter in some sense has become a logbook of sos calls, appeals by people for beds, ventilators, essential medicines for the treatment of covid—19 as well as oxygen supplies. it is the oxygen supplies that are causing big concerns at this point. we heard overnight from a hospital injaipur, where 20 people died because of a shortage of oxygen. now the hospital has said they have about half an hour of oxygen left and over 215 patients, 85% of whom are critical, that gives you a sense, and many other parts of the country are facing similar issues. the prime minister has taken a review of the situation yesterday and putting measures in place such as getting the air force to chip in and special trains to transport oxygen to hospitals as well as airlifting supplies from countries such as germany and singapore. hopefully in the days to come this will ease the situation. for now it remains dangerously precarious. what res . onse dangerously precarious. what response has _ dangerously precarious. what response has there _ dangerously precarious. what response has there been i response has there been internationally, as this appeal has been made?— internationally, as this appeal has been made? . �* ., been made? we've heard in the last 24 hours from _ been made? we've heard in the last 24 hours from the _ been made? we've heard in the last 24 hours from the british _ been made? we've heard in the last 24 hours from the british prime i 24 hours from the british prime minister borisjohnson, who said they were looking at ways to help india including by providing things such as ventilators as well as prescription drugs. we also heard from the who which has said in the's a devastating second wave was in some sense a grim reminder of the kind of havoc covid—19 is capable of wreaking. the united states, india is in making appeals to the united states to try and lift some of those bands on vaccine raw materials but at the us has said for now it is going to be prioritising its own citizens given that it has an obligation to americans, so no help forthcoming as of now from the us. thank you very much talking to us from one of the hardest—hit regions in india. the prime minister has been forced to defend himself against a wide—ranging personal attack from his former chief adviser, dominic cummings. our political correspondent damian grammaticas can tell us more. in some ways, there's the personal, these men at the closest political allies and friends who clearly have fallen out to a degree, and then there is the bigger question is, the important questions about policy and procedure. important questions about policy and -rocedure. . important questions about policy and -rocedure. , .. , important questions about policy and -rocedure. . .. , . procedure. yes, exactly right. this is the two figures, _ procedure. yes, exactly right. this is the two figures, the _ procedure. yes, exactly right. this is the two figures, the prime i is the two figures, the prime minister and the man who was his closest aide, the architect of his biggest successes, vote leave and his election triumph, falling out and perhaps the most damaging or seed is nothing dominic cummings has said is about the renovations to the apartment in downing street where borisjohnson apartment in downing street where boris johnson lives. apartment in downing street where borisjohnson lives. dominic boris johnson lives. dominic cummings borisjohnson lives. dominic cummings saying he thought the plan to have donors secretly pay for renovations were possibly illegal, foolish and almost certainly broke the rules on proper disclosure of donations if conducted in at the way he intended. what downing street have come out and said as the government acted in accordance with the codes of conduct and electoral law. we know the election commission has said it is discussing with the conservative party whether there were any donations that should be declared in the proper way, labour have called for an enquiry, saying this has to be transparent. because this has to be transparent. because this revolves around serious issues about money and disclosure, at the same time, all of this from dominic cummings paused fuelling the fire of the swirl of allegations we have seen around the government about access, text messages, what the party calls sleaze, and we know there are multiple enquiries into lobbying and access, and at the same time dominic cummings is going to address a parliamentary committee next month and he is saying he is prepared to reveal what he knows. the prime minister and government say they believe they've acted within the rules all times. thank you very much. dozens of former postmasters who were wrongly convicted of theft and fraud have called for a public inquiry into what went wrong. the court of appeal quashed the convictions of 39 people yesterday, who were prosecuted because of a faulty it system installed by the post office. jon donnison has the details. relief. their nightmare is over. and for those wrongly convicted, somejailed, it has been a long time coming. i've waited 11 years for this and i'm really, really grateful for everyone. fantastic. it has been a long time. very long time. beyond myself. i am no longer a criminal. and that is a wonderful thing to be. the 39 former postmasters, now cleared, had all been convicted of stealing money when, all the while, it was a flawed horizon computer system installed in branches by the post office that had led to accounting errors. now, they want prosecutions to be launched against the post office. for all the things they have hidden and for all of the lies. they have put people through a tremendous time. it is not right. they should be made accountable. and they want a public enquiry to be led by a judge. somebody needs to be held responsible for this. you put us through the courts when we hadn't done anything wrong. now it's up to you to put the people who put us there in the same position. justice works both ways. in a statement, the chief executive of the post office said: but the lawyer representing most of the postmasters cleared says this could bejust the beginning. these were ordinary hard—working people who trickle out to earn a living and now is the time to do the right thing and come to the table and help to cushion the blow and for the government to put that hand up and conduct a proper enquiry with full teeth so there can be some accountability because let's not forget in terms of numbers and in terms of the duration of this conduct, this is probably the biggest miscarriage ofjustice in uk legal history. so this could just be the first victory of many after the uk's most widespread miscarriage ofjustice. jon donnison, bbc news. health regulators in the united states have given the go ahead to re—starting the rollout of the johnson and johnson coronavirus vaccine. it was suspended earlier this month following reports of rare blood clots, but has now been approved by an advisory panel which met online. david willis reports. so the vote is ten in favour, four opposed, and one abstention. the motion carries. having weighed the evidence, an advisory panel voted to give johnson &johnson a shot in the arm. today, after an extensive review of the available data, the fda and cdc are lifting the recommended pause on the johnson & johnson, or janssen, covid—19 vaccine. the pause was recommended due to a number of adverse events recorded after the janssen covid—19 vaccine was administered. those adverse events amount to blood clots, reported by a total of 15 women who had received thejohnson & johnson vaccine, three of whom subsequently died. but more than seven million doses of the vaccine had been administered before distribution was suspended 11 days ago, and health officials believe the benefits outweigh the risks. they have declared the single—shot vaccine safe and effective in combating covid—19. as of this past sunday, more than 50% of adult americans have had at least one vaccine shot. we still have a long way to go but that is an important marker of progress. president biden had set the 4th ofjuly, america's birthday, as a goal of getting the country back to normal and although the pfizer and moderna vaccines have been the mainstay here, the single—shotjohnson & johnson jab is seen as vital in expanding the vaccination programme to rural areas. in their quest to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible, the administration could do without fears about side effects. thejohnson &johnson vaccine will now carry a label, warning about the risk of blood clots. distribution could resume as early as this weekend. david willis, bbc news, los angeles. the wales football manager, ryan giggs, will appear in court next week charged with assaulting two women at his home last year. he's also accused of coercive or controlling behaviour. the former manchester united player said he would plead not guilty. ghislaine maxwell has appeared in court in new york on new charges of sex trafficking. it was herfirst apperance in person since being arrested last year. she pleaded not guilty to accusations of helping the convicted paedophile, jeffrey epstein, to recruit, groom and sexually abuse girls. firefighters in county down are stepping up their efforts to tackle a large gorse fire. the blaze, in the mourne mountains, began in the early hours of yesterday. the northern ireland fire and rescue service has said it is "escalating" its response, and is asking people to stay away. it is 14 minutes past nine, let's talk to ben and saint it was happening with the weather. those blue skies is what we've been enjoying. absolutely. we've seen the problems in dry weather brings with those fires in county down. not great news if you're looking for rain but blue skies like this are pretty inviting if you are going for a saturday stroll. some high clouds in the mix as well. not a bad start to the day. certainly staying dry at this weekend, turning cooler and cloudierfor staying dry at this weekend, turning cooler and cloudier for many as the weekend goes on. high pressure still in charge, that generally means a drier weather. in charge, that generally means a drierweather. from in charge, that generally means a drier weather. from the satellite picture, not completely sunny, some cloud come up some patches of low cloud, much of what you see here is a wispy high cloud as i showed you from that weather watcher picture. that will track southwards, sunshine turning hazy through the midlands and wales and east anglia. thicker cloud across shetland could produce the odd shower, otherwise it is a mainly sunny saturday. windy for the channel islands and south—west of england which will make the coastal beaches of devon and cornwall feel slightly chilly. highest temperatures out west. that's where we have the highest value sisterly, west coast of wales. if you suffer from tree pollen hay fever, high levels of tree pollen for many. tonight staying dry, skies remaining largely free of cloud for most, more cloud in the north sea and some will filter into the eastern side of england and may be across the midlands and eastern wales will stop a chilly night, not desperately cold or thought we could see some frost in north—east scotland. tomorrow, generally more cloud across england and into wales possibly, northern ireland and scotland and the majority will see largely sunny skies although the far north in shetland that staying pretty cloudy with showers at times. relatively light winds for northern areas, brisk towards the south and not coming from a very warm place. highest values in north—west england, northern ireland and western scotland. as we look further ahead, if you're looking for some rain, i've got some possibly relatively good news because there is a little weather system working into the picture, not giving an awful lot of rain and not rain everywhere either. scotland is likely to see some showers on monday, further south it is largely dry, spells of sunshine once again and temperatures 11—16 c. wet weather in the north will try to push southwards but falling apart and fizzling as it goes. you can see not much rain at all into southern parts of the uk for tuesday into wednesday, many spots staying dry, dry is the theme throughout the week but it will turn a little bit chillier. back to you. it's time now to check in with two people we like to catch up with every saturday morning — to help us understand the latest developments in the covid pandemic. i feel like we need a drum ifeel like we need a drum roll, some trumpets or something. it should escalate every time. they are, of course, the virologist doctor chris smith and the professor of public health, linda bauld. good morning to you both. was that a sufficient introduction? i know you've been through this before many times but it is always good on a saturday morning, little get—together. i good on a saturday morning, little get-together-_ get-together. i think it could have been better! _ get-together. i think it could have been better! you _ get-together. i think it could have been better! you need _ get-together. i think it could have been better! you need to - get-together. ! think it could have been better! you need to up- get-together. i think it could have been better! you need to up your| been better! you need to up your game _ game. we are missing game. — we are missing the sun, it is sunny outside. _ we are missing the sun, it is sunny outside. but— we are missing the sun, it is sunny outside, but not so sunny in here. we won't — outside, but not so sunny in here. we won't take up too much of your time! let's get straight into it. we've had lots of questions as you guys know, this section are so useful because these are questions that some themes have been asked before but things are changing —— sometimes they have been asked before. there has been talk about booster jabs coming out later this year. good question from jackie. in the original— good question from jackie. in the original trials— good question from jackie. in the original trials looking _ good question from jackie. in the original trials looking at - good question from jackie. in the original trials looking at the i good question from jackie. in the original trials looking at the datal original trials looking at the data there _ original trials looking at the data there was— original trials looking at the data there was pretty _ original trials looking at the data there was pretty good _ original trials looking at the data there was pretty good evidence. original trials looking at the data i there was pretty good evidence we know _ there was pretty good evidence we know there — there was pretty good evidence we know there is _ there was pretty good evidence we know there is at _ there was pretty good evidence we know there is at least _ there was pretty good evidence we know there is at least protection i know there is at least protection for six _ know there is at least protection for six months, _ know there is at least protection for six months, the _ know there is at least protection for six months, the antibody- for six months, the antibody response _ for six months, the antibody response was _ for six months, the antibody response was sustained, i for six months, the antibody response was sustained, we | for six months, the antibody- response was sustained, we hope it will be _ response was sustained, we hope it will be longer — response was sustained, we hope it will be longer than _ response was sustained, we hope it will be longer than that. _ response was sustained, we hope it will be longer than that. we - response was sustained, we hope it will be longer than that. we also i will be longer than that. we also have _ will be longer than that. we also have 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both the first and second dose and after— protection after both the first and second dose and after the - protection after both the first and second dose and after the first i protection after both the first and i second dose and after the first dose which _ second dose and after the first dose which many— second dose and after the first dose which many more _ second dose and after the first dose which many more people _ second dose and after the first dose which many more people have - second dose and after the first dose i which many more people have received in the _ which many more people have received in the uk _ which many more people have received in the uk and _ which many more people have received in the uk and the _ which many more people have received in the uk and the second _ which many more people have received in the uk and the second dose, - which many more people have received in the uk and the second dose, that. in the uk and the second dose, that was sustained — in the uk and the second dose, that was sustained at _ in the uk and the second dose, that was sustained at least _ in the uk and the second dose, that was sustained at least over - in the uk and the second dose, that was sustained at least over ten - in the uk and the second dose, thati was sustained at least over ten week period _ was sustained at least over ten week period which — was sustained at least over ten week period which supports _ was sustained at least over ten week period which supports the _ was sustained at least over ten week period which supports the uk's - was sustained at least over ten week period which supports the uk's a - period which supports the uk's a decision— period which supports the uk's a decision on— period which supports the uk's a decision on the _ period which supports the uk's a decision on the dosing _ period which supports the uk's a decision on the dosing regime. i period which supports the uk's a| decision on the dosing regime. if people _ decision on the dosing regime. if people have _ decision on the dosing regime. if people have had _ decision on the dosing regime. if people have had a _ decision on the dosing regime. if people have had a prior- decision on the dosing regime. if people have had a prior covid - people have had a prior covid infection— people have had a prior covid infection there _ people have had a prior covid infection there is _ people have had a prior covid infection there is a _ people have had a prior covid infection there is a pretty- people have had a prior covid. infection there is a pretty good response — infection there is a pretty good response in— infection there is a pretty good response in terms _ infection there is a pretty good response in terms of— infection there is a pretty good response in terms of the - infection there is a pretty good response in terms of the four i response in terms of the four measures— response in terms of the four measures we _ response in terms of the four measures we look— response in terms of the four measures we look at - response in terms of the four measures we look at for- response in terms of the four - measures we look at for immune response — measures we look at for immune response for— measures we look at for immune response for quite _ measures we look at for immune response for quite some - measures we look at for immune| response for quite some months. measures we look at for immune - response for quite some months. the vaccines— response for quite some months. the vaccines are _ response for quite some months. the vaccines are working, _ response for quite some months. the vaccines are working, we _ response for quite some months. the vaccines are working, we don't - response for quite some months. the vaccines are working, we don't knowi vaccines are working, we don't know how tong _ vaccines are working, we don't know how tong they— vaccines are working, we don't know how long they will— vaccines are working, we don't know how long they will work— vaccines are working, we don't know how long they will work for - vaccines are working, we don't know how long they will work for which - vaccines are working, we don't know how long they will work for which isi how long they will work for which is why there _ how long they will work for which is why there is — how long they will work for which is why there is discussion _ how long they will work for which is why there is discussion about - how long they will work for which is why there is discussion about a - why there is discussion about a trooster— why there is discussion about a booster campaign— why there is discussion about a booster campaign which- why there is discussion about a booster campaign which may . why there is discussion about a i booster campaign which may be why there is discussion about a - booster campaign which may be needed if protection _ booster campaign which may be needed if protection wanes _ booster campaign which may be needed if protection wanes and _ booster campaign which may be needed if protection wanes and that _ booster campaign which may be needed if protection wanes and that may - if protection wanes and that may only be _ if protection wanes and that may only be needed _ if protection wanes and that may only be needed for— if protection wanes and that may only be needed for more - if protection wanes and that may i only be needed for more vulnerable and older— only be needed for more vulnerable and older drips~ _ only be needed for more vulnerable and older drips. we _ only be needed for more vulnerable and older drips. we will— only be needed for more vulnerable and older drips. we will be - only be needed for more vulnerable and older drips. we will be living i and older drips. we will be living with this — and older drips. we will be living with this vaccine _ and older drips. we will be living with this vaccine programme - and older drips. we will be living with this vaccine programme buti with this vaccine programme but those _ with this vaccine programme but those who— with this vaccine programme but those who have _ with this vaccine programme but those who have had _ with this vaccine programme but those who have had even - with this vaccine programme but those who have had even the - with this vaccine programme buti those who have had even the first dose _ those who have had even the first dose have — those who have had even the first dose have good _ those who have had even the first dose have good protection- those who have had even the first dose have good protection for- those who have had even the first dose have good protection for a l dose have good protection for a number— dose have good protection for a number of— dose have good protection for a number of weeks, _ dose have good protection for a number of weeks, get the - dose have good protection for a l number of weeks, get the second dose have good protection for a - number of weeks, get the second dose and it— number of weeks, get the second dose and it witt— number of weeks, get the second dose and it will last — number of weeks, get the second dose and it will last even _ number of weeks, get the second dose and it will last even longer. _ and it will last even longer. that — and it will last even longer. that takes— and it will last even longer. that takes us _ and it will last even longer. that takes us nicely- and it will last even longer. that takes us nicely onto . and it will last even longer. i that takes us nicely onto the and it will last even longer. - that takes us nicely onto the next question... it is worth saying people may have seenin it is worth saying people may have seen in the newspapers today there is talk about the idea of by the summer rolls around masks might be changing. that is not sourced directly from either scientists or ministers but there is talk around that. what do you think about this question? it’s that. what do you think about this cuestion? �* , ., that. what do you think about this cuestion? �*, . , ., . that. what do you think about this cuestion? , ., ., ., ., question? it's a dynamic situation. chances question? it's a dynamic situation. changes are _ question? it's a dynamic situation. changes are being _ question? it's a dynamic situation. changes are being made _ question? it's a dynamic situation. changes are being made based - question? it's a dynamic situation. changes are being made based on| changes are being made based on where _ changes are being made based on where we — changes are being made based on where we find ourselves having implemented the change and followed it up for— implemented the change and followed it up for a _ implemented the change and followed it up for a sensible period of time and then— it up for a sensible period of time and then move to the next stage of the road _ and then move to the next stage of the road map. we don't know where we are going _ the road map. we don't know where we are going to— the road map. we don't know where we are going to be in the summer but i am very— are going to be in the summer but i am very optimistic. for a number of reasons _ am very optimistic. for a number of reasons one— am very optimistic. for a number of reasons. one is we have driven the level— reasons. one is we have driven the level of— reasons. one is we have driven the level of virus — reasons. one is we have driven the level of virus in the community right— level of virus in the community right down. that is good. number two, _ right down. that is good. number two. as— right down. that is good. number two, as we've been hearing from linda. _ two, as we've been hearing from linda. the — two, as we've been hearing from linda, the performance of the vaccines— linda, the performance of the vaccines is— linda, the performance of the vaccines is incredibly good. certainty— vaccines is incredibly good. certainly in the short term, not 'ust certainly in the short term, not just at— certainly in the short term, not just at translating what would otherwise be severe or little disease _ otherwise be severe or little disease into lots of your little and not hospitalisations, also a significant impact on transmission which _ significant impact on transmission which is _ significant impact on transmission which is the thing that's relevant to this _ which is the thing that's relevant to this question. we are seeing evidence — to this question. we are seeing evidence of the vaccine reduces transmission between 70—80%. people catching _ transmission between 70—80%. people catching the infection and then passing — catching the infection and then passing it onto other people is being — passing it onto other people is being knocked down by 70—80% and if you do _ being knocked down by 70—80% and if you do not _ being knocked down by 70—80% and if you do not have the infection you cannot— you do not have the infection you cannot pass it on. therefore, that argues _ cannot pass it on. therefore, that argues we — cannot pass it on. therefore, that argues we will have very low levels in the _ argues we will have very low levels in the summerwe argues we will have very low levels in the summer we will have the confidence that comes with having deptoved — confidence that comes with having deployed these vaccines for a significant amount of time by the summer— significant amount of time by the summer and significant amount of time by the summerand also we significant amount of time by the summer and also we will have, perhaps— summer and also we will have, perhaps crucially, a very significant proportion of the population vaccinated by the summer. at the _ population vaccinated by the summer. at the moment it's more than 60% of adults. _ at the moment it's more than 60% of adults, shortly it will be much higher— adults, shortly it will be much higher and probably across the threshold for herd immunity. this will give _ threshold for herd immunity. this will give us — threshold for herd immunity. this will give us enormous confidence in terms _ will give us enormous confidence in terms of— will give us enormous confidence in terms of how to move forward. whether— terms of how to move forward. whether or not we decide to abandon all these _ whether or not we decide to abandon all these measures and when we do that, _ all these measures and when we do that, ultimately we will one day step back— that, ultimately we will one day step back from lots of these measures but i don't think until we are in— measures but i don't think until we are in that — measures but i don't think until we are in that position we will be able to say— are in that position we will be able to say it _ are in that position we will be able to say it is — are in that position we will be able to say it is back to square one. i don't _ to say it is back to square one. i don't think— to say it is back to square one. i don't think that will be the case, it witt— don't think that will be the case, it will be — don't think that will be the case, it will be very gentle and a personal— it will be very gentle and a personal thing, it will be very gentle and a personalthing, some it will be very gentle and a personal thing, some people will say they feel— personal thing, some people will say they feel more confident than others and embrace some of the new freedoms, more avidly than others. linda. _ freedoms, more avidly than others. linda. eartv— freedoms, more avidly than others. linda, early at weat spoke to adam from the jcvi linda, early at weat spoke to adam from thejcvi and weat spoke to him because we were looking at this programme on the issue of thousands of children with complex health conditions who currently cannot get a vaccine unless their gp says ok, even though it is not licensed for 16 and under, we are going to give i6 and under, we are going to give you this vaccine we deem it appropriate. at the moment so many children are at home and not socialising, we've had some very emotional stories. where do you sit on this in terms of the responsibility being put on doctors and hospitals to say, we will go against the general ruling and in terms of the consequences? it’s a terms of the consequences? it's a very challenging _ terms of the consequences? it's a very challenging. they _ terms of the consequences? it's a very challenging. they are - terms of the consequences? it's a very challenging. they are having to balance _ very challenging. they are having to balance different risks to these children. — balance different risks to these children, delivering the vaccines is quite _ children, delivering the vaccines is quite rare — children, delivering the vaccines is quite rare to children, the jcvi, adam _ quite rare to children, the jcvi, adam is — quite rare to children, the jcvi, adam is a — quite rare to children, the jcvi, adam is a member of that, have been very specific— adam is a member of that, have been very specific about categories of children— very specific about categories of children who can be given the vaccine — children who can be given the vaccine because the benefits to them will outweigh the disadvantages. thats— will outweigh the disadvantages. that's not the case for many children _ that's not the case for many children. those that have been shietding — children. those that have been shielding a particular have been incredibly badly affected by the social _ incredibly badly affected by the social isolation and other consequences of the measures we've taken _ consequences of the measures we've taken. looking ahead, it is pretty clear— taken. looking ahead, it is pretty clear globally we will be delivering vaccines _ clear globally we will be delivering vaccines to children in the future, pfizer— vaccines to children in the future, pfizer and — vaccines to children in the future, pfizer and madonna have trials well under— pfizer and madonna have trials well under the _ pfizer and madonna have trials well under the israelis who made great progress _ under the israelis who made great progress in their vaccine programme and took— progress in their vaccine programme and look like they are moving towards — and look like they are moving towards herd immunity are waiting for the _ towards herd immunity are waiting for the fda to approve vaccines for children _ for the fda to approve vaccines for children. my point i would make right— children. my point i would make right now— children. my point i would make right now is the balance for clinicians _ right now is the balance for clinicians who have to make that decision. — clinicians who have to make that decision, looking longer term, the key point — decision, looking longer term, the key point about children is that the trials _ key point about children is that the trials witt— key point about children is that the trials will be looking at safety even — trials will be looking at safety even though the oxford astrazeneca trial on— even though the oxford astrazeneca trial on children is paused, and that— trial on children is paused, and that is— trial on children is paused, and that is the _ trial on children is paused, and that is the key priority. children move _ that is the key priority. children move around a lot and may play a role move around a lot and may play a rote in _ move around a lot and may play a role in transit think the virus and therefore — role in transit think the virus and therefore to protect others any population and notjust therefore to protect others any population and not just themselves, that may— population and not just themselves, that may be an argument for vaccination but there is a while untit— vaccination but there is a while until we — vaccination but there is a while until we are clear on that. particularly for younger children. in amongst all this at the time between how people are feeling and those young people we heard from from their lives have effectively stopped and hoping that will change. let's go to our third question from tom... that for a lot of people it's something they are holding them back in their thought process because we don't want to go there again but things are changing. the crucial elements to the control of any— the crucial elements to the control of any outbreak is public health. in other— of any outbreak is public health. in other words, a system of good quality— other words, a system of good quality monitoring and surveillance, testing. _ quality monitoring and surveillance, testing, and plan in place to out do you react _ testing, and plan in place to out do you react early when you see an uptick— you react early when you see an uptick on— you react early when you see an uptick on the dial? how do you respond — uptick on the dial? how do you respond and how do you detect it? we are lucky— respond and how do you detect it? we are lucky in— respond and how do you detect it? we are lucky in this country to have probably— are lucky in this country to have probably the world's the best system for looking for virus variants and looking — for looking for virus variants and looking at — for looking for virus variants and looking at the virus genetically. we also have _ looking at the virus genetically. we also have a — looking at the virus genetically. we also have a very significant testing capacity— also have a very significant testing capacity so— also have a very significant testing capacity so we can do this, it's a question— capacity so we can do this, it's a question open to mentation. there is always— question open to mentation. there is always the _ question open to mentation. there is always the question of test entries so we _ always the question of test entries so we can— always the question of test entries so we can up cases. we will feel our way through— so we can up cases. we will feel our way through this, there are various initiatives — way through this, there are various initiatives going on to explore the use of— initiatives going on to explore the use of things like enhanced testing, surge _ use of things like enhanced testing, surge testing when we detect the emergence of a particular variant. testing _ emergence of a particular variant. testing people attending events to see if— testing people attending events to see if we _ testing people attending events to see if we can exclude people who might— see if we can exclude people who might be — see if we can exclude people who might be able to create outbreaks. this is— might be able to create outbreaks. this is a _ might be able to create outbreaks. this is a dynamic situation, the level— this is a dynamic situation, the level of— this is a dynamic situation, the level of taxation in the community is changing all the time, the amount of virus _ is changing all the time, the amount of virus is _ is changing all the time, the amount of virus is dropping all the time and therefore we have to be dynamic. it all and therefore we have to be dynamic. it all comes— and therefore we have to be dynamic. it all comes back to public health and that— it all comes back to public health and that is— it all comes back to public health and that is why we need good solid investment and support for any sort of investment and support for any sort oroh_ investment and support for any sort orob linda — investment and support for any sort ofjob linda does in order to control— ofjob linda does in order to control this. linda, what have you got to control this. — linda, what have you got to add? i would add a behavioural point, there is a large _ would add a behavioural point, there is a large research _ would add a behavioural point, there is a large research programme - would add a behavioural point, there j is a large research programme under way and _ is a large research programme under way and i'm — is a large research programme under wavand i'm sure _ is a large research programme under wavand i'm sure you— is a large 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at things like cinemas, nightclubs, people - like cinemas, nightclubs, people giving _ like cinemas, nightclubs, people giving informed _ like cinemas, nightclubs, people giving informed consent- like cinemas, nightclubs, people giving informed consent to - like cinemas, nightclubs, people giving informed consent to join l giving informed consent tojoin those — giving informed consent tojoin those events, _ giving informed consent tojoin those events, smaller- giving informed consent to join. those events, smaller numbers, bigger— those events, smaller numbers, bigger in— those events, smaller numbers, bigger in the _ those events, smaller numbers, bigger in the future, _ those events, smaller numbers, bigger in the future, the - those events, smaller numbers, bigger in the future, the world i bigger in the future, the world snooker— bigger in the future, the world snooker championship - bigger in the future, the world snooker championship started | bigger in the future, the world - 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how those events — tested in the future. we can see how those events go _ tested in the future. we can see how those events go. we _ tested in the future. we can see how those events go. we are _ tested in the future. we can see how those events go. we are doing - tested in the future. we can see how those events go. we are doing this. those events go. we are doing this graduatty. — those events go. we are doing this gradually, cautiously, _ those events go. we are doing this gradually, cautiously, that- those events go. we are doing this gradually, cautiously, that is- those events go. we are doing thisj gradually, cautiously, that is about one in— gradually, cautiously, that is about one in 600 — gradually, cautiously, that is about one in 600 people _ gradually, cautiously, that is about one in 600 people in _ gradually, cautiously, that is about one in 600 people in england - gradually, cautiously, that is about one in 600 people in england with| one in 600 people in england with the virus. — one in 600 people in england with the virus, about— one in 600 people in england with the virus, about 90,000 - one in 600 people in england with the virus, about 90,000 people . one in 600 people in england with| the virus, about 90,000 people at one in 600 people in england with l the virus, about 90,000 people at a population— the virus, about 90,000 people at a population level _ the virus, about 90,000 people at a population level from _ the virus, about 90,000 people at a population level from the _ the virus, about 90,000 people at a population level from the ons - population level from the ons infection— population level from the ons infection survey. _ population level from the ons infection survey. we _ population level from the ons infection survey. we are - population level from the ons . infection survey. we are trialling new things — infection survey. we are trialling new things and _ infection survey. we are trialling new things and trialling - infection survey. we are trialling new things and trialling them . infection survey. we are trialling new things and trialling them to| infection survey. we are trialling. new things and trialling them to be able to— new things and trialling them to be able to open— new things and trialling them to be able to open up— new things and trialling them to be able to open up as _ new things and trialling them to be able to open up as safely _ new things and trialling them to be able to open up as safely as - able to open up as safely as possible _ able to open up as safely as possible and _ able to open up as safely as possible and i— able to open up as safely as possible and i think- able to open up as safely as possible and i think we - able to open up as safely as possible and i think we all. possible and i think we all hopefully— possible and i think we all hopefutty got _ possible and i think we all hopefully got lots - possible and i think we all hopefully got lots to - possible and i think we all hopefully got lots to look| possible and i think we all- hopefully got lots to look forward to. - wanted to to. — wanted to pick up on to. wanted to pick up on somethin- wanted to pick up on something before we say goodbye. chris, linda, you still have not met, have you? no. . you still have not met, have you? no. , , ., ., you still have not met, have you? no. , , ., . . you still have not met, have you? no. , ., ., . ., ., no. chris, you have a clock on a linda time. _ no. chris, you have a clock on a linda time, is _ no. chris, you have a clock on a linda time, is that _ no. chris, you have a clock on a linda time, is that correct? - no. chris, you have a clock on a linda time, is that correct? i . no. chris, you have a clock on a| linda time, is that correct? i did feel sorry _ linda time, is that correct? i did feel sorry for — linda time, is that correct? i did feel sorry for linda _ linda time, is that correct? i did feel sorry for linda because - feel sorry for linda because obviously i know she pretty much envies _ obviously i know she pretty much envies my— obviously i know she pretty much envies my clock so i have created at linda _ envies my clock so i have created at linda ctock. — envies my clock so i have created at linda clock, you can see i've got linda _ linda clock, you can see i've got linda and — linda clock, you can see i've got linda and given her her own time zone _ linda and given her her own time zone and— linda and given her her own time zone and even given you guys you want _ zone and even given you guys you want time — zone and even given you guys you want time zone at media city so you are not— want time zone at media city so you are not tett— want time zone at media city so you are not left out either. we have cambridge time, linda time at media city time~ _ city time. how do you like that, city time. — how do you like that, linda? city time. how do ou like that, linda? . how do you like that, linda? yeah, but if i'm how do you like that, linda? yeah, but if i'm going _ how do you like that, linda? yeah, but if i'm going to _ how do you like that, linda? yeah, but if i'm going to meet _ how do you like that, linda? yeah, but if i'm going to meet chris - how do you like that, linda? yeah, but if i'm going to meet chris we i but if i'm going to meet chris we need _ but if i'm going to meet chris we need to— but if i'm going to meet chris we need to be — but if i'm going to meet chris we need to be at— but if i'm going to meet chris we need to be at the _ but if i'm going to meet chris we need to be at the same - but if i'm going to meet chris we need to be at the same time. . but if i'm going to meet chris we| need to be at the same time. i'm looking _ need to be at the same time. i'm looking forward _ need to be at the same time. i'm looking forward to _ need to be at the same time. i'm looking forward to it. _ need to be at the same time. i'm looking forward to it. thank - need to be at the same time. i'm looking forward to it. thank you, | looking forward to it. thank you, chris _ looking forward to it. thank you, chris i've — looking forward to it. thank you, chris i've got— looking forward to it. thank you, chris. i've got to _ looking forward to it. thank you, chris. i've got to think— looking forward to it. thank you, chris. i've got to think of- looking forward to it. thank you, chris. i've got to think of one - looking forward to it. thank you, chris. i've got to think of one forj chris. i've got to think of one for next _ chris. i've got to think of one for next week — chris. i've got to think of one for next week is _ chris. i've got to think of one for next week-— chris. i've got to think of one for next week. , , ., , ., next week. is there something plan for a meet pp? _ next week. is there something plan for a meet up? is— next week. is there something plan for a meet up? is there _ next week. is there something plan for a meet up? is there somethingl next week. is there something plan i for a meet up? is there something we need to know? irate for a meet up? is there something we need to know?— need to know? we should pop up and ce ou need to know? we should pop up and ce you once — need to know? we should pop up and ce you once the _ need to know? we should pop up and ce you once the 17th of _ need to know? we should pop up and ce you once the 17th of may _ need to know? we should pop up and ce you once the 17th of may comes i ce you once the 17th of may comes and we _ ce you once the 17th of may comes and we can't legitimately meet in those _ and we can't legitimately meet in those we — and we can't legitimately meet in those we should come and see you —— when _ those we should come and see you —— when we _ those we should come and see you —— when we can— those we should come and see you —— when we can legitimately meet indoors — indoors. there is a thought, indoors. — there is a thought, guests in person again. not sure it will be that soon but it will happen eventually. the relationship is blossoming, like your flowers behind you, relationship is blossoming, like yourflowers behind you, linda. love our saturday morning chats. linda and chris, thank you very much. they did that slightly awkward thing where people talk over each other. it's lovely when you have a relationship with someone that is some biotech, when you pick it up when you don't. matt tebbutt has that with all his guests, obviously. i had it with you as well! {lit that with all his guests, obviously. i had it with you as well!— i had it with you as well! of course ou do. i had it with you as well! of course you do- today _ i had it with you as well! of course you do- today we _ i had it with you as well! of course you do. today we have _ i had it with you as well! of course you do. today we have bailed - i had it with you as well! of course i you do. today we have bailed bailey with us. bill. _ you do. today we have bailed bailey with us. bill, nice _ you do. 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will be talking about your. great to be out. nice cup of tea. l you will be talking about your tour later. _ you will be talking about your tour later. for— you will be talking about your tour later, for now we will talk about food _ later, for now we will talk about food heaven or hell.— later, for now we will talk about food heaven or hell. what is yours? i love all sorts _ food heaven or hell. what is yours? i love all sorts of _ food heaven or hell. what is yours? i love all sorts of spice, _ i love all sorts of spice, particularly— i love all sorts of spice, particularly indonesian. j i love all sorts of spice, i particularly indonesian. i i love all sorts of spice, - particularly indonesian. i would i love all sorts of spice, _ particularly indonesian. i would say that and _ particularly indonesian. i would say that and seafood, _ particularly indonesian. i would say that and seafood, big _ particularly indonesian. i would say that and seafood, big fan _ particularly indonesian. 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hoping for. just hold a little longer than he is hoini for. �* just hold a little longer than he is hoini for. . , just hold a little longer than he is hoinafor. . , , ., just hold a little longer than he is hoping for-— hoping for. and he is 'ust a little bit uncomfortable. _ hoping for. and he isjust a little bit uncomfortable. headlines i hoping for. and he isjust a little i bit uncomfortable. headlines coming up. hello, this is breakfast — with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. overseas travel could resume from england next month. to get ready for a rush of summer holidays, airports and airlines are trying to come up with a way for passengers to prove they've either been vaccinated, or have recently tested negative for covid. one uk airline has taken part in the trial of a new "travel pass" scheme, in which passengers store their health details in a smartphone app. here's our transport correspondent, caroline davies. stepping off the plane and into the sunshine might feel like a million miles away at the moment, but international travel from england could restart on 17 may. at the moment anyone travelling back from abroad turn up to this, long queues at the uk's border as officials check additional paperwork. but the industry wants to make this digital and are already trialling apps, including one from industry body iata. this is what the iata trial app looks like. on here i've already added my passport details, i've got a negative pcr test before travel and i have my flights. and the most important part of this, combining all that information is that i now have a travel pass that means i am ok to fly. the hope is in the future the app will also register if you're vaccinated. but what about security? we're using decentralised technology, so the data you provide or the data you put on the certificate is only ever stored on the actual device you are using. so you choose as the customer who you give that to and who you share it with. there's no central data base. and in that respect we believe it is a very secure system for the customers. but the industry need government agreement, firstly to provide a way to prove someone has been vaccinated and then to accept the tech at the border. the paper will always be a back—up, but you can't rely on heaps of paper. plus, actually, paper is easier to manipulate than digital records. if these solutions would not be accepted at the border and if border checks would be completely paper—based i do fearforfairly lengthy queues around the world, which is something no—one wants. the uk government says it is working on creating a digital and non—digital way to show if someone has been vaccinated and wants to lead the way creating standards for a digital travel certificate. barbados is trialling the app at the moment and want to make sure they're on the uk's green list. we will be on the green list, we're hoping. but if we're not it would be extraordinarily disappointing but we're committed to working with the uk to make sure we do get on the green list. final thing i would say is it is important for us to put every measure in place that gives travellers confidence. if travellers are confident that barbados, for example, and the uk on their side have been putting measures in place to keep them safe, that is perhaps the most critical thing. but they aren't the only ones keen for british holiday—makers to return. i do hope that we will be in the green category and, frankly, we deserve to be. cyprus made the case earlier this week to be on the green list. we've done a lot of work in order to keep the virus under control. we test around 50% of our population on a weekly basis. by the end of may we will have vaccinated 60% of our population. things change very, very quickly. i mean, countries open and close in the blink of an eye. this is what is very strange about the pandemic era and tourism. but yesterday the country announced another two week lockdown after a rise in cases. it's a reminder how quickly countries' positions can change. sunshine spots are just as eager to have us as we are to get to them. but whether we will reach the beach is as unpredictable as the virus. caroline davies, bbc news. it's now time to talk to mike about what is going on in sport. the fans are still angry about this super league? are still angry about this super leaaue? ., ., ,., , are still angry about this super leaaue? ., ., , , ., league? one of the reasons is that the are league? one of the reasons is that they are worried _ league? one of the reasons is that they are worried it _ league? one of the reasons is that they are worried it might _ league? one of the reasons is that they are worried it might risk- league? one of the reasons is that they are worried it might risk their| they are worried it might risk their club's future is any punishments come along. despite clubs apologising, fans still want change. the tottenham hotspur supporters' trust is worried about the impact on the club of any formal punishments, and say the board risked the future, by initially signing up to the super league and are calling for their club's, board to resign... for their club's board to resign. just across north london, feelings were also running high, as hundreds of arsenal fans marched past the emirates before the game against everton, many singing "we want our arsenal back" and calling for majority shareholder owner, stan kronkee, to leave. the gunners were one of the 12 founding members of the esl before also withdrawing on tuesday. it was a poor night for arsenal on the pitch as everton, benefited by a real howler by the gunners keeper, bernd leno, who fumbled the ball into his own net. it's a gift that lifts everton to within three points of the champions league places. two more of the six sides, who signed up for the esl are in action today. chelsea are away at west ham at 5:30, while there could be more protests over liverpool's involvement ahead of their match against newcastle at lunchtime. jurgen klopp agrees with the fans over the superleague, and is also unhappy with the expansion proposals for the existing champions league. so, super league is off the table — good, very good — but the new champions league is now not, that we think, "oh, great, what's that? let's just do that." the only people who will never get asked are the coaches, the players and the supporters. i know the supporters think, play more games, they get paid a lot of money, but we are already on the edge. believe me, all the coaches think the same. there's a big match and at the world of snooker in a few minutes. mark williams has a 5—3 lead over fellow former championjohn higgins. neil robertson takes on jack lisowski. last night ronnie o'sullivan was humble in defeat to anthony mcgill, even though it meant o'sullivan will have to wait a year at least, to try and equal the record of 12 world titles. the match went the distance — but it was mcgill, who held his nerve — winning 13 frames to 12. its winner takes all today, in the women's six nations, as england and france meet to decide who will be crowned, this season's champions. while there was a cracking game in the men's premiership last night defending champions exeter kept alive their hopes of finishing top. they beat leaders bristol 20—12 at ashton gate. tom o'flaherty, with one of exeter�*s three tries for exeter. they're now eight points behind bristol. the focus is on the mens finals, at the european artistic gymnastics championships today. finals including the floor and pommel horse. you can watch it live on the iplayer and bbc sport website. yesterday, britain's jessica gadi—rova won bronze in the all—around final. fellow brit amelie morgan finished fourth. what a feeling is his how graeme mcdowell described his hole in one at the zurich classic team event, in louisiana. he teamed up with england's matt wallace, and at the par three seventeenth, he served up the perfect response been a rather ordinary round before this. he celebrated the hole in one by ordering a bucket of beers to be delivered to the media centre. what's more his team then birdied the final hole and finished eight under par overall — five shots off the leaders. england'sjustin rose and sweden's henrik stenson, are just two off the lead. one man not out in louisiana of course is tiger woods. he's recuperatating from that car crash which he was involved in back in february. he has though releaased, the first picture of himself since the crash. he posted this snap — taken near his new backyard practice course, which he says is a "work in progress." nice picture of his dog bugs too. woods said "my course is coming along faster than i am. but it's nice to have a faithful rehab partner, man's best friend." now it's a big prize in baseball — if you're in the stands and you can catch the ball, you can keep it.. so this is the moment one dad was dreaming of. it's a bit hit — a home run from eugenio suarez for cincinnati reds. and really going for embarrassing dad of the weekend award is this chap — goes for the ball., doesnt collect it ..loses his take you have to be quite skilled to hold the takeaway eye and catch the ball at the same time. taste the takeaway eye and catch the ball at the same time.— at the same time. we should have asked our use _ at the same time. we should have asked our use of _ at the same time. we should have asked our use of this _ at the same time. we should have asked our use of this morning i at the same time. we should have asked our use of this morning who they think should have got the ball. the other guy got the ball and i'm assuming kept it. some people think, i don't, that he should have given it to him. it’s i don't, that he should have given it to him. �* . i don't, that he should have given it to him. �* , ., i don't, that he should have given it to him. 3 ., ., this is how its done. kole calhoun from the arizona diamondbacks has a catch stolen from him by a lad at his first—ever baseball match. the fan was entitled to go for the ball as it was over the barrier, but denies calhoun a catch and an out. he took it in good spirits though, and went on tv afterwards. he should definitely take up the sport. his first ever match. he was very relaxed about — his first ever match. he was very relaxed about the _ his first ever match. he was very relaxed about the whole - his first ever match. he was very relaxed about the whole thing. i | relaxed about the whole thing. i probably would have backed away. what would you have done, mike? time for me to go. — what would you have done, mike? time for me to go. l — what would you have done, mike? time for me to go, i think. _ here's ben with a final look at the weather. what would you have done, bennett? this may not surprise you, but i would _ this may not surprise you, but i would have _ this may not surprise you, but i would have dived under the chair. i went— would have dived under the chair. i went to _ would have dived under the chair. i went to see — would have dived under the chair. i went to see a cricket match once, and i_ went to see a cricket match once, and i spent — went to see a cricket match once, and i spent the whole time terrified that the _ and i spent the whole time terrified that the ball was going to hit me in the face _ that the ball was going to hit me in the face. ~ , ., ., that the ball was going to hit me in the face. ~ i. ., , the face. where were you to be so worried about _ the face. where were you to be so worried about the _ the face. where were you to be so worried about the cricket - the face. where were you to be so worried about the cricket ball- worried about the cricket ball hitting you? unless you are sitting directly behind the wicket, there is no need to be scared. thea;r directly behind the wicket, there is no need to be scared.— directly behind the wicket, there is no need to be scared. they go for a six and it can _ no need to be scared. they go for a six and it can go — no need to be scared. they go for a six and it can go anywhere. - no need to be scared. they go for a six and it can go anywhere. when i no need to be scared. they go for a l six and it can go anywhere. when we aet out to six and it can go anywhere. when we get out to watch _ six and it can go anywhere. when we get out to watch sports, _ six and it can go anywhere. when we get out to watch sports, you - six and it can go anywhere. when we get out to watch sports, you should. get out to watch sports, you should reassess what is actually happening on the pitch!— reassess what is actually happening onthe itch! , on the pitch! maybe you can teach me some iolf on the pitch! maybe you can teach me some golf or— on the pitch! maybe you can teach me some golf or something. _ on the pitch! maybe you can teach me some golf or something. as _ on the pitch! maybe you can teach me some golf or something. as far i on the pitch! maybe you can teach me some golf or something. as far as i some golf or something. as far as the weather goes, if you are going out to maybe play some golf today, it's a lovely day for it. a bit more clout in the mix for some. through the weekend, it stays dry. it has been a lengthy spell of dry weather, and it continues. it will stay a bit cooler as the week wears on. high pressure in charge and keeps us dry. some areas of high cloud in west wales, much of it is wispy, it will not spoil the day, just turning up the sun shine a little bit hazy in places. strong winds down to the south. you will notice that the strength of those winds. with shelter from the winds, those places are likely to see 19 or 20 degrees, but coolerfurther east. high pollen levels. 39, it is these predominantly dry. a bit more cloud starts to develop across eastern england, the midlands, may be getting into east wales by the end of the night. temperature is staying just above freezing, chance for a frost across north—east scotland. and due tomorrow, it is a similar day for many places. it is dry, but if you look closely you can see a bit more cloud working into eastern england, in the midlands, may be east well. generally windy across southern areas. the wind is not coming from a warm place, where you are exposed to it 10 or ii coming from a warm place, where you are exposed to it 10 or 11 degrees. highs temperatures tomorrow across parts of northern ireland and western scotland. some people could really do with some rain, gardeners, growers, farmers. there are some in at the forecast, but not an awful lot. a frontal system will bring some showery rain into northern scotland. spells of sunshine, highs of 11-16 . if scotland. spells of sunshine, highs of 11—16 . if you scotland. spells of sunshine, highs of 11—16. if you are hoping for some of that rating in the south, it will actually peter out and fizzle away. the odd shower getting down into the south, and that of dry weather in at the weekend, but if anything it will weather in at the weekend, but if anything it will turn weather in at the weekend, but if anything it will turn a weather in at the weekend, but if anything it will turn a little weather in at the weekend, but if anything it will turn a little bit colder. can ijust asked you, that is a young mild on a standby will talk to any moment who will be on a shot at an epic bike ride. monday in aberdeen? ., , , shot at an epic bike ride. monday in aberdeen? ., , ., shot at an epic bike ride. monday in aberdeen? , ., , . ., , aberdeen? probably a bit cloudy, there might _ aberdeen? probably a bit cloudy, there might be _ aberdeen? probably a bit cloudy, there might be a _ aberdeen? probably a bit cloudy, there might be a bit _ aberdeen? probably a bit cloudy, there might be a bit of _ aberdeen? probably a bit cloudy, there might be a bit of rain. i aberdeen? probably a bit cloudy, | there might be a bit of rain. fairly breezy, _ there might be a bit of rain. fairly breezy, probably not very warm. a nice bit_ breezy, probably not very warm. a nice bit of— breezy, probably not very warm. a nice bit of cloud overhead. i think it might _ nice bit of cloud overhead. i think it might be — nice bit of cloud overhead. i think it might be quite decent. nice detailed information, - it might be quite decent. nice detailed information, i - it might be quite decent. ii is: detailed information, i like it. just to give you an idea, josh quigley is going to be 320 miles a day for a long time. the quigley is going to be 320 miles a day for a long time.— day for a long time. the idea of it actually makes _ day for a long time. the idea of it actually makes me _ day for a long time. the idea of it actually makes me wince. - day for a long time. the idea of it actually makes me wince. he - day for a long time. the idea of it actually makes me wince. he is i actually makes me wince. he is attempting to break a world record. take a look at what at this epic challenge involves. let's talk to josh now, let's talk tojosh now, who joins us from aberdeen. we got the weather forecast for the year, but it seems like you are getting the best of the weather now as you build up to it. how are you doing? i’m weather now as you build up to it. how are you doing?— weather now as you build up to it. how are you doing? i'm very good, thank ou how are you doing? i'm very good, thank you very _ how are you doing? i'm very good, thank you very much. _ how are you doing? i'm very good, thank you very much. what - how are you doing? i'm very good, thank you very much. what is - how are you doing? i'm very good, i thank you very much. what is behind this, wh thank you very much. what is behind this. why are — thank you very much. what is behind this. why are you _ thank you very much. what is behind this, why are you doing _ thank you very much. what is behind this, why are you doing this? - thank you very much. what is behind this, why are you doing this? in - this, why are you doing this? in january, i had a major cycling accident _ january, i had a major cycling accident i_ january, i had a major cycling accident. i had about ten broken bones. _ accident. i had about ten broken bones. and _ accident. i had about ten broken bones, and through that process i also discovered i got diagnosed with arthritis _ also discovered i got diagnosed with arthritis. coming back from that, we had the _ arthritis. coming back from that, we had the idea — arthritis. coming back from that, we had the idea to go for the guinness world _ had the idea to go for the guinness world record and hope to raise some money— world record and hope to raise some money for— world record and hope to raise some money for arthritis charities to inspire — money for arthritis charities to inspire other people with arthritis, like myself. inspire other people with arthritis, like m self. . . inspire other people with arthritis, like myself-— like myself. this is literally nettina like myself. this is literally getting back _ like myself. this is literally getting back on _ like myself. this is literally getting back on your- like myself. this is literally getting back on your bike. | like myself. this is literally - getting back on your bike. how are you physically at the moment, how have you recovered in terms of pain with the arthritis as well? i’m with the arthritis as well? i'm feelin: with the arthritis as well? i'm feeling very _ with the arthritis as well? i'm feeling very good. i've been back on at the _ feeling very good. i've been back on at the hack— feeling very good. i've been back on at the back for about four or five weeks _ at the back for about four or five weeks now— at the back for about four or five weeks now and have managed just under— weeks now and have managed just under 2000 miles. trading weeks now and have managed just under2000 miles. trading is going really— under2000 miles. trading is going really good, all my injuries have almost — really good, all my injuries have almost rehabilitated. i still have a bit almost rehabilitated. i still have a hit of— almost rehabilitated. i still have a hit of pain— almost rehabilitated. i still have a bit of pain in my arm. i can't really— bit of pain in my arm. i can't really lift _ bit of pain in my arm. i can't really lift it _ bit of pain in my arm. i can't really lift it over my head, but i can still— really lift it over my head, but i can still go— really lift it over my head, but i can still go out and ride 320 miles a day. _ can still go out and ride 320 miles a day. and — can still go out and ride 320 miles a day, and that's the only thing that matters right now.- a day, and that's the only thing that matters right now. ready to go out and do it- _ that matters right now. ready to go out and do it. josh, _ that matters right now. ready to go out and do it. josh, you _ that matters right now. ready to go out and do it. josh, you sound - that matters right now. ready to go out and do it. josh, you sound like i out and do it. josh, you sound like a very matter of fact guy. i want to know about some practicalities. how long in the saddle every day to do those 320 miles? fiur long in the saddle every day to do those 320 miles?— those 320 miles? our team are workin: those 320 miles? our team are working on _ those 320 miles? our team are working on a — those 320 miles? our team are working on a schedule - those 320 miles? our team are working on a schedule of- those 320 miles? our team are working on a schedule of about| those 320 miles? our team are i working on a schedule of about 18 miles— working on a schedule of about 18 miles a _ working on a schedule of about 18 miles a day at an average speed of atrout— miles a day at an average speed of about 80 _ miles a day at an average speed of about 80 mph. the key thing is that we have _ about 80 mph. the key thing is that we have a _ about 80 mph. the key thing is that we have a target of three and a 20 miles— we have a target of three and a 20 miles each— we have a target of three and a 20 miles each day, so we will write each _ miles each day, so we will write each day — miles each day, so we will write each day until we hit that. if that is until— each day until we hit that. if that is until midnight or the morning, then— is until midnight or the morning, then that's — is until midnight or the morning, then that's what we will do. the next _ then that's what we will do. the next day. — then that's what we will do. the next day, we will be back up in the morning _ next day, we will be back up in the morning and start again. the estimate of _ morning and start again. the estimate of 18 _ morning and start again. iue: estimate of 18 hours morning and start again. i““ie: estimate of 18 hours in morning and start again. i““i9 estimate of 18 hours in the saddle, that you cycling to stop what about sleep, food and toilet— how does all that work? irate sleep, food and toilet- how does all that work? ~ ~ , :, , , that work? we think i will probably aet about that work? we think i will probably get about three _ that work? we think i will probably get about three or— that work? we think i will probably get about three or four _ that work? we think i will probably get about three or four hours - that work? we think i will probably| get about three or four hours sleep every— get about three or four hours sleep every night. i will be up around 3:30am. — every night. i will be up around 3:30am, from four o'clock in the morning — 3:30am, from four o'clock in the morning until ten at night i will be cycling _ morning until ten at night i will be cycling at — morning until ten at night i will be cycling at the whole time. there will he _ cycling at the whole time. there will he no — cycling at the whole time. there will be no breaks or stops. all my food _ will be no breaks or stops. all my food and — will be no breaks or stops. all my food and drink will be consumed on the hike _ food and drink will be consumed on the bike. unfortunately, iwill have to he _ the bike. unfortunately, iwill have to he doing — the bike. unfortunately, iwill have to be doing the toilet on the bike as well — to be doing the toilet on the bike as well. :, :, a . as well. 0k, good luck with that, we don't need any _ as well. 0k, good luck with that, we don't need any more _ as well. ok, good luck with that, we don't need any more detail- as well. 0k, good luck with that, we don't need any more detail about . don't need any more detail about that, i think! don't need any more detail about that, ithink! tell don't need any more detail about that, i think! tell me about the team with you. when you take on these epic challenges, in terms of motivation what works for you? some people work with the whole beating people work with the whole heating with a stick or anything, some people work with encouragement, what do you need from your team? i think the important _ do you need from your team? i think the important thing _ do you need from your team? i think the important thing to _ do you need from your team? i think the important thing to say _ do you need from your team? i think the important thing to say about - the important thing to say about this challenge is that it is a team event, _ this challenge is that it is a team event, i— this challenge is that it is a team event, i couldn't do this on my own. i event, icouldn't do this on my own. iwill— event, i couldn't do this on my own. i will he _ event, i couldn't do this on my own. i will he on — event, i couldn't do this on my own. i will be on the road cycling on the amount— i will be on the road cycling on the amount every day, but i have a core team _ amount every day, but i have a core team of— amount every day, but i have a core team of about five people working with me. — team of about five people working with me, and about 20 people working on a core _ with me, and about 20 people working on a core team of about five people working _ on a core team of about five people working with me, and about 20 people working _ working with me, and about 20 people working on— working with me, and about 20 people working on the project in some way. iwill— working on the project in some way. i will he _ working on the project in some way. i will be riding, but they aren't the guys — i will be riding, but they aren't the guys that will keep me going. i think— the guys that will keep me going. i think it _ the guys that will keep me going. i think it will be about inspiring the team _ think it will be about inspiring the team i_ think it will be about inspiring the team. i have set myself some really hi i team. i have set myself some really big audacious goals, and i think a lot of— big audacious goals, and i think a lot of people are inspired by that i want _ lot of people are inspired by that i want to— lot of people are inspired by that i want to he — lot of people are inspired by that i want to be part of it. by setting bil want to be part of it. by setting big goals, — want to be part of it. by setting big goals, it inspires people and they want— big goals, it inspires people and they want to get involved, i think that's— they want to get involved, i think that's why— they want to get involved, i think that's why we have such a big and successful— that's why we have such a big and successful team.— that's why we have such a big and successful team. also, you are going to have some — successful team. also, you are going to have some stunning _ successful team. also, you are going to have some stunning views - successful team. also, you are going to have some stunning views while . to have some stunning views while cycling, aren't you?— cycling, aren't you? yes, we are doinr u- cycling, aren't you? yes, we are doing up here — cycling, aren't you? yes, we are doing up here in _ cycling, aren't you? yes, we are doing up here in aberdeenshire| cycling, aren't you? yes, we are. doing up here in aberdeenshire in scotland. — doing up here in aberdeenshire in scotland, which is an absolutely beautiful — scotland, which is an absolutely beautiful part of the world. it is going _ beautiful part of the world. it is going to — beautiful part of the world. it is going to be amazing. we beautiful part of the world. it is going to be amazing.— beautiful part of the world. it is going to be amazing. we often talk about extraordinary _ going to be amazing. we often talk about extraordinary challenges - about extraordinary challenges people taking on, this is amazing, so i wish you well. i hope it goes all right. take care as you go. share all right. take care as you go. are ou aroin all right. take care as you go. are you going to _ all right. take care as you go. are you going to have me back on when i have my— you going to have me back on when i have my official certificate from guinness — have my official certificate from guinness world records? yes, we mustn't forget _ guinness world records? yes, we mustn't forget that _ guinness world records? yes, we mustn't forget that you _ guinness world records? yes, we mustn't forget that you are - mustn't forget that you are attempting to break an existing record. it was jack thompson? recurred from 2017. if you do it, we will absolutely talk to you again. there are some of motivation, as well. ~ :. :. . there are some of motivation, as well. ~ . . , . ~ there are some of motivation, as well. ~ . . ~ . well. walter was talking about aivina well. walter was talking about aaivin the well. walter was talking about giving the three _ well. walter was talking about giving the three and _ well. walter was talking about giving the three and in - well. walter was talking about giving the three and in 20 - well. walter was talking about i giving the three and in 20 miles well. walter was talking about - giving the three and in 20 miles on a bike injust one day, so who knows. a bike in 'ust one day, so who knows. :. a bike in 'ust one day, so who knows. . :, :, a bike in 'ust one day, so who knows._ i- a bike in 'ust one day, so who | knows._ i think a bike in 'ust one day, so who - knows._ i think you knows. yeah, go for it. i think you have as much _ knows. yeah, go for it. i think you have as much enthusiasm - knows. yeah, go for it. i think you have as much enthusiasm about i knows. yeah, go for it. i think you i have as much enthusiasm about me doing it as i do. good luck, do take care. ~ , we often say that our posties are heroes — but that is particularly true today. especially if you live near nottingham. posties in carlton and gedling will be doing their rounds in super—hero costumes to raise money for research into long covid, as carol hinds reports. it's been a year since these residents first had their post delivered by superheroes. postmen and women in the area are planning to dress up again to raise money for research into a long covid. to raise money for research into long covid. we're getting all the staff on board, and also the local community as well. they're all behind us 100%. and it is notjust going to be on delivery that we are going to be doing it, we are going to be walking through the streets of carlton and gedling in fancy dress with charity buckets, collecting as well. ian pointer is the reason staff at carlton delivery office are dressing up. the union rep and postman from carlton was hospitalised with covid—i9 in march 2020. he was placed in an induced coma forfour weeks. it took more than 11 months for him to fully begin his strength. i thought i was fine, i thought everything was ok, i'd gone through the worst of it, i had no covid left in my system, as i was told, and i thought things would move on forward. it wasn't until i began to realise that it was having on my lifestyle that i hadn't seen, my mood swings. that's when the penny kind of dropped. i know that there are people out there suffering worse than me. i'm fortunate, i can stand here, i can talk to you, i can move. i know there are people waking up today, tomorrow, who won't have that capability, and if i don't like them, and if i don't fight for them, then who's going to fight for them? the posties say the money they raise will help fund important research in the city. that was carol hinds reporting. and we're nowjoined by simon stevenson — aka iron man — who has organised today's fun. how are you doing, simon? i'm doing really well. — how are you doing, simon? i'm doing really well, thank _ how are you doing, simon? i'm doing really well, thank you. _ how are you doing, simon? i'm doing really well, thank you. tell— how are you doing, simon? i'm doing really well, thank you. tell me - really well, thank you. tell me about who _ really well, thank you. tell me about who is _ really well, thank you. tell me about who is doing _ really well, thank you. tell me about who is doing this - really well, thank you. tell me about who is doing this with i really well, thank you. tell me i about who is doing this with you really well, thank you. tell me - about who is doing this with you and why. it about who is doing this with you and wh . :. about who is doing this with you and wh . . , . . , about who is doing this with you and wh. . why. it all started last year when our colleague, _ why. it all started last year when our colleague, ian, _ why. it all started last year when our colleague, ian, was - why. it all started last year when | our colleague, ian, was admitted why. it all started last year when i our colleague, ian, was admitted to hospital— our colleague, ian, was admitted to hospital with covid and he was in a coma _ hospital with covid and he was in a coma for— hospital with covid and he was in a coma for a — hospital with covid and he was in a coma for a month, hospital with covid and he was in a coma fora month, so hospital with covid and he was in a coma for a month, so we decided we were _ coma for a month, so we decided we were going _ coma for a month, so we decided we were going to do something last year to raise _ were going to do something last year to raise money for the nhs. the opportunity arose again this year to do research — opportunity arose again this year to do research into lung covid, so it was a _ do research into lung covid, so it was a no—brainer. i got all my friends — was a no—brainer. i got all my friends at _ was a no—brainer. i got all my friends at work to wear fancy dress again _ friends at work to wear fancy dress aaain. ~ :, :, friends at work to wear fancy dress a.ain_ . :, :, :, friends at work to wear fancy dress arain.~ :, :, :,: : . .y again. who got to choose which fancy dress? were — again. who got to choose which fancy dress? were there _ again. who got to choose which fancy dress? were there any _ again. who got to choose which fancy dress? were there any arguments - dress? were there any arguments about who got what?— dress? were there any arguments about who got what? pretty much, --eole had about who got what? pretty much, people had their _ about who got what? pretty much, people had their own _ about who got what? pretty much, people had their own choices - about who got what? pretty much, people had their own choices of. about who got what? pretty much, i people had their own choices of what they wanted to wear. i was determined i was going to be a superhero, so i own a man was the one for— superhero, so i own a man was the one for me — superhero, so i own a man was the one for me— superhero, so i own a man was the one for me. you are awaiting it very well, ma one for me. you are awaiting it very well. may i — one for me. you are awaiting it very well. may i add- — one for me. you are awaiting it very well, may i add. i'm— one for me. you are awaiting it very well, may i add. i'm trying - one for me. you are awaiting it very well, may i add. i'm trying to - one for me. you are awaiting it very well, may i add. i'm trying to work| well, may i add. i'm trying to work out, well, may i add. i'm trying to work out. from — well, may i add. i'm trying to work out. from your— well, may i add. i'm trying to work out, from your costume, _ well, may i add. i'm trying to work out, from your costume, have - well, may i add. i'm trying to work out, from your costume, have you | well, may i add. i'm trying to work . out, from your costume, have you got your postbag or not you, are you wearing it now?— your postbag or not you, are you wearing it now? yes, with mail as well. you wearing it now? yes, with mail as well- you got _ wearing it now? yes, with mail as well. you got the _ wearing it now? yes, with mail as well. you got the colour - wearing it now? yes, with mail as well. you got the colour scheme i well. you got the colour scheme ri . ht, well. you got the colour scheme right. the _ well. you got the colour scheme right. the red — well. you got the colour scheme right, the red and _ well. you got the colour scheme right, the red and the _ well. you got the colour scheme right, the red and the red, - well. you got the colour scheme right, the red and the red, it's i right, the red and the red, it's nice. i right, the red and the red, it's nice. ::, :, right, the red and the red, it's nice. :, . . nice. i colour coordinate all the time. nice. i colour coordinate all the time- have _ nice. i colour coordinate all the time. have you _ nice. i colour coordinate all the time. have you done _ nice. i colour coordinate all the time. have you done your- nice. i colour coordinate all the | time. have you done your round already this _ time. have you done your round already this morning? _ time. have you done your round already this morning? i'm - time. have you done your round already this morning? i'm about time. have you done your round i already this morning? i'm about a ruarter of already this morning? i'm about a quarter of the _ already this morning? i'm about a quarter of the way _ already this morning? i'm about a quarter of the way through. - already this morning? i'm about a quarter of the way through. how i already this morning? i'm about a - quarter of the way through. how have our quarter of the way through. how have your regulars — quarter of the way through. how have your regulars responded _ quarter of the way through. how have your regulars responded to _ quarter of the way through. how have your regulars responded to you? - quarter of the way through. how have j your regulars responded to you? they had been absolutely brilliant. we have been coming out, taking my photo _ have been coming out, taking my photo. they have been donating to the charity — photo. they have been donating to the charity. i still have probably about _ the charity. i still have probably about 200 more people to see today, so it will— about 200 more people to see today, so it will take me a long time to deliberately mount today but it will be worth _ deliberately mount today but it will be worth it. gn deliberately mount today but it will be worth it. :. deliberately mount today but it will be worth it. . : :., deliberately mount today but it will be worth it. . : :. ,:, be worth it. on a technical point, when ou be worth it. on a technical point, when you have — be worth it. on a technical point, when you have the _ be worth it. on a technical point, when you have the full _ be worth it. on a technical point, when you have the full gear - be worth it. on a technical point, when you have the full gear on, i be worth it. on a technical point, i when you have the full gear on, do you wear it as you are delivering the post and can you see anything? 0r the post and can you see anything? or is it random today?— the post and can you see anything? or is it random today? pretty much, i've been wearing _ or is it random today? pretty much, i've been wearing it _ or is it random today? pretty much, i've been wearing it on _ or is it random today? pretty much, i've been wearing it on every - i've been wearing it on every street — i've been wearing it on every street i'm _ i've been wearing it on every street. i'm only taking it off because _ street. i'm only taking it off because i'm talking to you two guys. so you _ because i'm talking to you two guys. so you can _ because i'm talking to you two guys. so you can see what you are doing? people are not getting the wrong mail? :, �* , :, , mail? no, i've been in the 'ob 22 ears! i mail? no, i've been in the 'ob 22 years! i should i mail? no, i've been in the 'ob 22 years! i should ask, * mail? no, i've been in the 'ob 22 years! i should ask, howh mail? no, i've been in the job 22 years! i should ask, how is- mail? no, i've been in the job 22 years! i should ask, how is your| years! i should ask, how is your colleague _ years! i should ask, how is your colleague that _ years! i should ask, how is your colleague that had _ years! i should ask, how is your colleague that had long - years! i should ask, how is your colleague that had long covid i years! i should ask, how is your - colleague that had long covid doing? obviously, he is still recovering. he has— obviously, he is still recovering. he has good days and bad days, but he is getting there. his recovery was miraculous, cut miraculous, really. _ was miraculous, cut miraculous, really, because we did think at one point _ really, because we did think at one point we _ really, because we did think at one point we were going to lose him. he getting _ point we were going to lose him. he getting there. is point we were going to lose him. he getting there-— getting there. is someone holding the camera _ getting there. is someone holding the camera for— getting there. is someone holding the camera for you _ getting there. is someone holding the camera for you there? - getting there. is someone holding the camera for you there? no, - getting there. is someone holding the camera for you there? no, i i getting there. is someone holding i the camera for you there? no, i got a tri od. the camera for you there? no, i got a triod. i the camera for you there? no, i got a tripod- i kind _ the camera for you there? no, i got a tripod. i kind of _ the camera for you there? no, i got a tripod. i kind of want _ the camera for you there? no, i got a tripod. i kind of want to _ the camera for you there? no, i got a tripod. i kind of want to see - the camera for you there? no, i got a tripod. i kind of want to see put i a tripod. i kind of want to see put the helmet _ a tripod. i kind of want to see put the helmet on _ a tripod. i kind of want to see put the helmet on and _ a tripod. i kind of want to see put the helmet on and walked - a tripod. i kind of want to see put the helmet on and walked off- a tripod. i kind of want to see put - the helmet on and walked off because we are about to say goodbye to you. i've got to go down that way anyway, sow _ i've got to go down that way anyway, so... ,., :, i've got to go down that way anyway, so... :, i. i've got to go down that way anyway, so... :, ,, ,, :, . so... good luck to you, simon, and all our so... good luck to you, simon, and all your colleagues. _ so... good luck to you, simon, and all your colleagues. thank - so... good luck to you, simon, and all your colleagues. thank you - so... good luck to you, simon, and all your colleagues. thank you very j all your colleagues. thank you very much. all your colleagues. thank you very much- take — all your colleagues. thank you very much. take care, _ all your colleagues. thank you very much. take care, enjoy _ all your colleagues. thank you very much. take care, enjoy your- all your colleagues. thank you very | much. take care, enjoy your round! much. take care, en'oy your round! oh, he's much. take care, en'oy your round! on. me coming — much. take care, enjoy your round! oh, he's coming back. _ much. take care, enjoy your round! oh, he's coming back. it _ much. take care, enjoy your round! oh, he's coming back. it was - much. take care, enjoy your round! oh, he's coming back. it was only i much. take care, enjoy your round! oh, he's coming back. it was only aj 0h, he's coming back. it was only a quick walk. gotta be careful with those hands, they are quite powerful. those hands, they are quite powerful-— those hands, they are quite owerful. . :, powerful. he is only a quarter of the way through _ powerful. he is only a quarter of the way through his _ powerful. he is only a quarter of the way through his round, - powerful. he is only a quarter of the way through his round, so i powerful. he is only a quarter of the way through his round, so isj the way through his round, so is going to take time. haifa the way through his round, so is going to take time.— the way through his round, so is going to take time. how lovely for him to take _ going to take time. how lovely for him to take the _ going to take time. how lovely for him to take the time _ going to take time. how lovely for him to take the time to _ going to take time. how lovely for him to take the time to to - going to take time. how lovely for him to take the time to to us. - that's all from us today. breakfast is back tomorrow from six. have a lovely weekend. this is bbc news — these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. hospitals in india struggle with overwhelming demand for beds, ventilators and oxygen — as it records the world's highest—ever daily rise in coronavirus infections for the third day in a row. there is no space, so a patient who needs an icu comes once there is no physical space, what can we do? we can only do that much. the uk prime minister's former adviser, dominic cummings, has questioned his "competence and integrity". borisjohnson has refuted the claims, which allege that he planned for donors to pay for the renovation of his flat, and considered trying to block an inquiry into a leak last year in case it involved a friend of his fiancee.

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