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again. it's day two of the trial of derek chauvin. he's the former police officer charged with the murder of george floyd in may last year. on day one, both sides laid out their cases, and today the prosecution is continuing to make its case. as part of that, we've been hearing from witnesses. first was donald williams iii — he has a background in mixed martial arts and he can be heard on footage of the arrest yelling at the police to get off george floyd. here's the prosecution questioning him. at some point, did she make it 911 call? . , . ., . at some point, did she make it 911 call? . , . call? that is correct, i did call the police- — call? that is correct, i did call the police. why _ call? that is correct, i did call the police. why did _ call? that is correct, i did call the police. why did you - call? that is correct, i did call the police. why did you do . call? that is correct, i did call. the police. why did you do that? because i believed _ the police. why did you do that? because i believed i _ the police. why did you do that? because i believed i was - the police. why did you do that? i because i believed i was witnessing a murden _ because i believed i was witnessing a murder. find because i believed i was witnessing amurder. �* ., ., a murder. and so, he felt a need to call the police? _ a murder. and so, he felt a need to call the police? i _ a murder. and so, he felt a need to call the police? i called _ a murder. and so, he felt a need to call the police? i called the - call the police? i called the olice. he was then cross examined by the lead defence lawyer eric nelson. he questioned mr williams about his martial arts background and about the timing of his arrival at the scene. and in this combative exchange, mr nelson questioned mr williams about his own conduct during the arrest. and it is fair to say that prior to your arrival there, and it is fair to say that prior to yourarrivalthere, knew and it is fair to say that prior to your arrival there, knew had no idea what had been going on in the area? like i say, ijust saw that. i didn't— like i say, ijust saw that. i didn't know what was going on. he didn't know what was going on. testified didn't know what was going on. he: testified that as you came around the corner, the energy sort of appeal due to budget incident. that is totally correct. so, you would have absolutely no idea that an ambulance was called three minutes before you arrive. i ambulance was called three minutes before you arrive.— before you arrive. i don't know an hinu before you arrive. i don't know anything about _ before you arrive. i don't know anything about that. _ before you arrive. i don't know anything about that. you - before you arrive. i don't know| anything about that. you would before you arrive. i don't know- anything about that. you would have had no idea — anything about that. you would have had no idea that _ anything about that. you would have had no idea that an _ anything about that. you would have had no idea that an ambulance - anything about that. you would have had no idea that an ambulance was l had no idea that an ambulance was stepped up to code c, which means get here quick, two minutes before you around. no recollection of any of that. you weren't there, you wouldn't possibly know. i wouldn't know at all- _ another witness has been named as darnella. because she is 18, herfull identity is protected. she's the person who filmed the video that recorded what happened, the one that was viewed the world over — that showed the nine minutes and more than derek chauvin put his knee on george floyd's neck. here's some of her testimony sot. so, telling the jury what you observe, what you heard when you start to look at what was happening there at the scene. i start to look at what was happening there at the scene.— there at the scene. i heard george flo d there at the scene. i heard george floyd saying _ there at the scene. i heard george floyd saying i _ there at the scene. i heard george floyd saying i can't _ there at the scene. i heard george floyd saying i can't breathe. - floyd saying i can't breathe. please, _ floyd saying i can't breathe. please, get off of me. i can't breathe _ please, get off of me. i can't breathe. he cried for his mum. he was in _ breathe. he cried for his mum. he was in pain — breathe. he cried for his mum. he was in pain. it seemed like he knew. it was in pain. it seemed like he knew. it seemed _ was in pain. it seemed like he knew. it seemed like he knew it was over for him _ a reminder that derek chauvin is facing three charges second degree unintentional murder, third degree murder and second degree manslaughter. they all have differing burdens of proof. for the second dregree murder charge, prosecutors must prove derek chauvin caused mr floyd's death while committing or trying to commit a crime. in this case, that crime is assaulting him by having his knee on mr floyd's neck. the third degree murder charge is easier to prove — prosecutors must show that mr floyd's death was caused by an act that was clearly dangerous, but not necessarily a crime. finally, the least serious of the charges is manslaughter, and that requires proof that mr chauvin caused mr floyd's death through negligence. so that's what the prosecution needs to prove. here's shawna lloyd, the president of the national black trial lawyers, with her assessment of the prosecution's approach. the prosecution is doing a very good job of learning it. they are also learning it at different points of view, so whether you are a 911 dispatch a few issues to emergency situations with high violence, she thought something was wrong. an average mma fighter thought something was wrong. it is because such injured people, perspectives that could clearly see that this was excessive force. i think they are learning that cake for us. while the prosecution is focused on those final nine minutes and 29 seconds, the defence argues there are more factors that lead to george floyd's death — such as george floyd's drug use and health. we know it used medical experts and an autopsy report to try and make this argument. and we should note that there were two autopsies. george floyd's family commissioned an independent autopsy, which concluded that mr floyd's death was a homocide by asphyxiation. the official autopsy conducted by the the hennepin county medical examiner also declared the death a homocide, but also found the drug fentanyl in george floyd's system. here's criminal defence attorney suzzane luban on how the defence is using that information. mr nelson argued a series of a combination of various health issues, and the fact that mr floyd ingested drugs without a run at the very same time, and the heart arrhythmia that was discovered, and the defence attorney would like the jury the defence attorney would like the jury to believe that all those events came together, all those conditions, and it wasjust coincidental that he was lying in a prone position on a day straight with this officer pinning him down and compressing his chest. this case is one of many, many cases involving alleged police brutality in the united states. and for many this trial is about much more than just the death of george floyd. in 2014, eric garner died while being arrested and held in a chokehold by a police officer in new york. a video of the incident taken by an onlooker was shared widely, showing garner repeatedly saying, "i can't breathe". like george floyd's death, the footage shocked many and sparked protests around the country. but prosecutors eventually decided not to pursue charges. his mother is in minneapolis to offer support to the floyd family, and has speaking with our correspondent larry madowo. even when i met him face to face, i told them, even though you have a video just like told them, even though you have a videojust like i did, don't think it's a slam dunk, because when you get in the courtroom, they're going to throw everything at you to make you feel like your brother was too criminal, instead of the man murdered him. it criminal, instead of the man murdered him.— criminal, instead of the man murdered him. , , , :, murdered him. it is interesting you sa that, murdered him. it is interesting you say that, because _ murdered him. it is interesting you say that, because george - murdered him. it is interesting you say that, because george floyd's l say that, because george floyd's brother_ say that, because george floyd's brother said yesterday this was a slam _ brother said yesterday this was a slam dunk, the man was kneeling on his neck_ slam dunk, the man was kneeling on his neck in_ slam dunk, the man was kneeling on his neck in video seen around the world _ his neck in video seen around the world. �* , :, his neck in video seen around the world. i :, :, his neck in video seen around the world. �*, ., ., ., _ his neck in video seen around the world. �*, ., ., ., world. it's not that easy, and it was proven _ world. it's not that easy, and it was proven in _ world. it's not that easy, and it was proven in my _ world. it's not that easy, and it was proven in my case - world. it's not that easy, and it was proven in my case that - world. it's not that easy, and it| was proven in my case that they tried to blame at my son for his own death, said because of his size. and you see how large george floyd was, my son was a large man, and they said because his heart was enlarged. they tried to blame the murder on the people who they murdered. but no matter what you're saying about them, with these conditions that they have come if you didn't step on his neck, if you didn't chuck my son to death, he would not have died that day, and that is what we must remember. i guess that interview we have played highlights that while there is one person on trial, in fact, there are broader pressures here on there are broader pressures here on the americanjustice there are broader pressures here on the american justice system. absolutely. and the way that people here in george floyd square seat is that the defence of derek chauvin is trying to put george floyd on trial. it speaks towards eric garner's mamba's scene, they tried to blame the victim. that is what we are seeing here with the line of questioning from the defence. and this is a referendum on police accountability, people have been telling us here. reverend al sharpton, who is essentially a black america's pastor, said, and some of the active as we have been speaking to telus at white america is on trial, that they want to see what happens if a black man ties on video, it's up and put george floyd, can they getjustice? and if they cannot, george floyd's brother said, in what he is currently a black man getjustice in america? send in what he is currently a black man get justice in america?— in what he is currently a black man get justice in america? getjustice in america? and in those conversations _ getjustice in america? and in those conversations you _ getjustice in america? and in those conversations you are _ getjustice in america? and in those conversations you are having, - getjustice in america? and in those conversations you are having, are i conversations you are having, are the active is confident in the system? do they trust us courtroom to deliverjustice? {line system? do they trust us courtroom to deliverjustice?— to deliver 'ustice? one of the thins to deliverjustice? one of the things we — to deliverjustice? one of the things i've heard _ to deliverjustice? one of the things i've heard which - to deliverjustice? one of the | things i've heard which stayed to deliverjustice? one of the - things i've heard which stayed with me here from one of the activist was, in this case, it is not easy to tell how it is going to play, because it is a lot to deny on one side, a lot to prove on the other. they feel that even though there is a video, that nine minutes and 26 seconds that the prosecution is talking about, it still takes a lot for this jury that there is a case to answer here, and what the defence of derek chauvin has to do is introduce reasonable doubt. they just need to convince one juror that there is reasonable doubt here, and that the case itself begins to collapse. it is a very high threshold to pass, and even though they are optimistic, cost a bit optimistic, i should say, they know this could come down to the wire, and it is hard to tell how this will go. and it is hard to tell how this will 0, ., , :, and it is hard to tell how this will no. ., , ., ., and it is hard to tell how this will no. :, ., ., go. have you found anyone in minneapolis _ go. have you found anyone in minneapolis a _ go. have you found anyone in minneapolis a is _ go. have you found anyone in minneapolis a is another- go. have you found anyone in j minneapolis a is another way, go. have you found anyone in - minneapolis a is another way, that derek chauvin is being treated unfairly or being made a scapegoat because of wider problems within american society? hat because of wider problems within american society?— american society? not 'ust in minneapoliafi american society? not 'ust in minneapolis, but * american society? notjust in minneapolis, but across - american society? notjust in - minneapolis, but across america, this is a deeply divisive case, and there are those who think, and it is there are those who think, and it is the centrepiece of the defence's argument, that derek chauvin followed police procedure and training, that any other police officer trained to deal with a situation like this would have acted exactly the same way, even though the prosecution, the state of minnesota is saying he betrayed his badge, he used excessive force, and it was against apartment policy. and derek chauvin's on former boss will take the stand testifying against him. there are many in america who think he was following his training and that he should not be charged at all. :, , and that he should not be charged at all. ., , ~ ., ,., , and that he should not be charged at all. ., , ~ ., , ., ~ all. larry, in minneapolis, thank ou ve all. larry, in minneapolis, thank you very much _ all. larry, in minneapolis, thank you very much indeed. - several significant developments to bring you on the coup in myanmar. first, around 2000 refugees have been turned back by thailand. this is the thai prime minister. translation: some villagers arrived and we asked — translation: some villagers arrived and we asked about _ translation: some villagers arrived and we asked about problems, - translation: some villagers arrived and we asked about problems, and i and we asked about problems, and they said there weren't any. we then said, can you go back first? we didn't point any guns in their faces. we shook their hands and even wish them well. that is humanitarian. up until now, most of the resistance to the coup has come from the civil disobedience movement. now, though, armed ethnic groups are becoming involved too — one of the biggest is the karen national union. and over the weekend the burmese military carried out air strikes against the group here in territory that it controls in karen state. as you can see, the state sits on myanmar�*s border with thailand. this was the aftermath of the air strikes. and these were the first aerial attacks in the area for 20 years. this footage was sent to us by aid group free burma rangers working inside myanmar. this is its spokesperson. many of the air were conducted at night, which is a capability they didn't have before. we have not seen in that districts, so this is a new capability. it was a hit at night and diwali, in northern karen state, on the whole valley is hiding now. altogether, we have 10,000 people in this place. then the planes came, and went along the border, forming karen, placesjust on and went along the border, forming karen, places just on the burma side of the border. this karen, places 'ust on the burma side of the border.— of the border. this is what happened next. ethnic karen families went into hiding — some of them even took shelter in caves. 0thers took boats across the salween river to thailand. reports suggest that injured people were allowed in — but that most people were pushed back. we're also told that those who couldn't cross the river were sent to a displacement camp on the myanmar side of the border. then there's this footage. it appears to show thai border guards putting up barriers to keep people away. a local thai official has told reuters the army was sending most burmese back as it deemed the situation over the border to be safe. that isn't an assessment shared by the people fleeing. this is the account of one karen woman who fled. the bramleys army is living all advantages. we don't want this any more. the soldiers are close by and give us trouble all the time. the number of armed men we are seeing tells you this is a very tense border with myanmar, and the karen people who have been coming, many of them injured, four years have known something that young activists in the cities of myanmar are now learning at first hand. that they myanmar military, far from defending people, wages war against them with a pitiless savagery, crossing them as enemies. but many of those people _ crossing them as enemies. but many of those people were _ crossing them as enemies. but many of those people were turned - crossing them as enemies. but many of those people were turned back- crossing them as enemies. but many of those people were turned back by| of those people were turned back by thailand. , , ., , , thailand. they were stopped in the 'untle b thailand. they were stopped in the jungle by security _ thailand. they were stopped in the jungle by security personnel- thailand. they were stopped in the jungle by security personnel is, - jungle by security personnel is, trying to prevent them from coming further into thailand. so just kind of like pushback from there. this is kind of like a deterrence not to have too many of them coming in. and then once this has been lifted, the government has to say, no, we're not trying to push them back, we welcome them, but we have our professional ways of dealing with people. burmese refugees are also trying to enter india — and that's led to a crackdown there too. we're told the border state of manipur had originally told officials to 'politely turn away�* new arrivals. it's since reversed that order. with more on this, here's the bbc�*s anbarasan ethirajan in delhi. what the authorities did was, they were watching what was happening in the neighbouring north indian state, for hundreds of people from myanmar have already taken refuge, and the government of india is concerned about what it means for its relations with the myanmar government at the moment, the militaryjunta there. in the last few days, there are reports that many myanmar nationals are trying to flee the violence, and one doctor was quoted as saying by the reuters news agency that people had been admitted to a hospital in manipur with gunshot wounds. because the border is not clearly demarcated, there are lots of forested areas, it is very easy within this border in manipur, once you move away from the border crossing it is like you don't know where you are, so it is easy for these people to cross into manipur. many armed groups in myanmar spent decades fighting the military for greater control — and now some are helping the anti—coup movement. here's david eubank again from free burma rangers. there is a new feeling from the burma people saying we had no idea, so sorry, we just focus on allowance, the suffering he had under the government, please help us. on the ethnic people are saying we will have all that we can barely stop the army ourselves, they have done two things — they have sent money for food and medicine, done two things — they have sent money forfood and medicine, and some of the targeted leaders of the protesters, the ethnic some self have smuggled out to safety. but the ethnic army, since they don't have the power to stop the burma army, but they are trying to work together. right now, there is no large international support that gives them the power they need to make a difference. each group is fighting for their lives. of course, there are concerns myanmar could descend into a multi—faceted conflict. in the past few hours, the karen ethnic group warned that burmese ground troops were advancing on its territory and has called for international help to stop what it called an 'onslaught�*. and the broader context here is that armed ethnic groups in myanmar control about a third of the country. soe win than, bbc burmese service in london. first of all help us understand the extent to which these ethnic groups and their armed wings are able to control parts of myanmar. since the independence _ control parts of myanmar. since the independence in _ control parts of myanmar. since the independence in 1945, _ control parts of myanmar. since the independence in 1945, myanmar - control parts of myanmar. since the | independence in 1945, myanmar has experienced this kind of civil war. a little bit of history, myanmar is made up of major different ethnic groups, there are over 100 ethnic groups, there are over 100 ethnic groups in myanmar. karen, wejust talked about, is one of the biggest groups. they all have their own army, they are looking for more autonomy from the central government. they have been waging this war against the central government for over seven decades, but in recent years, the government had made ceasefire agreement with a different ethnic groups. there are still groups which have not signed any ceasefire agreement with the central government. karen national union is one of them. they have signed it. but they overrun a military outpost and says that military outpost and says that military outpost and killed a few of the soldiers and captured some of them, so military attacks, we talked about this area per garment, under the marching towards those and karen are pushing these refugees towards the thai burma border. bud are pushing these refugees towards the thai burma border.— the thai burma border. and so how eas is the thai burma border. and so how easy is this — the thai burma border. and so how easy is this alliance _ the thai burma border. and so how easy is this alliance between - the thai burma border. and so how easy is this alliance between the i easy is this alliance between the protesters in the city against the coups and these ethnic armed groups, because these groups after or are looking for more autonomy from the central government, and some of these protesters in the city want to give power back to the democratically elected central government.— democratically elected central government. ., , ., ., , government. yeah, but for now they have a common _ government. yeah, but for now they have a common enemy, _ government. yeah, but for now they have a common enemy, so - government. yeah, but for now they have a common enemy, so they - government. yeah, but for now they l have a common enemy, so they need government. yeah, but for now they - have a common enemy, so they need to fight the myanmar army first. that is the understanding. so the protesters knew they could not fight this heavy weapon machinery of the military, so they seek help from the ethnic armies, and they welcome this. they will come to our ed, some are offering military training and weapons to those are being protested. this is where they can forge an alliance for now, because forge an alliance for now, because for both of them see the army as a common enemy at the moment. stay right there, soe win. a monitoring group in myanmar says the number killed since the february coup has passed 500. eight more people died today. these pictures are from yangon. this is smoke from rubbish that's been piled onto streets and set on fire. other videos appear to show soldiers firing a towards demonstrators as they crouch behind sandbags. what are you hearing about the violence in the cities?— what are you hearing about the violence in the cities? there are still porters _ violence in the cities? there are still porters going _ violence in the cities? there are still porters going on _ violence in the cities? there are still porters going on in - violence in the cities? there are | still porters going on in different shapes orforms, but still porters going on in different shapes or forms, but we see lesser numbers of protesters coming out because the soldiers and police are not hesitant to shoot at the protesters. they use live bullets. but porters are still going on in different shapes form. we talk about this scattered across the straits, because protesters are saying that, you should the protesters, so these are the things that you should really should. 0vernight, people scattered the cabbage across the streets, and also there are still continuing different silent protests, civil disobedience movement, banging pots, whatever we can get. but they know that once you get out in the streets, that they will face lethal force by the army waiting for them.— waiting for them. briefly, has a military offered _ waiting for them. briefly, has a military offered any _ waiting for them. briefly, has a| military offered any justification military offered anyjustification for the fact it is killing civilians in the street?— for the fact it is killing civilians in the street? they didn't. they 'ust in the street? they didn't. they just make _ in the street? they didn't. they just make it _ in the street? they didn't. they just make it up _ in the street? they didn't. they just make it up as _ in the street? they didn't. they just make it up as the - in the street? they didn't. they just make it up as the art - in the street? they didn't. they just make it up as the art the i just make it up as the art the destructive elements, that they are trying to stabilise the country, for these protesters are violent instigators. they turned their protesters as the instigator who are trying to destroy the stability of the country. that is why they justify their action of killing protesters. shes justify their action of killing protesters-— justify their action of killing trotesters. : , :, ~' , protesters. as ever, thank you very much. england's chief medical officer is warning there is a high likelihood that his numbers will rise, which begs the question, what can people do to reduce the chance of transmitting or catching the virus. 0n transmitting or catching the virus. on that committee does the bbc�*s science editor. cases are following, but the virus to run. and although the vaccines are saving lives, they cannot guarantee protection, so what are the risk? for people enjoying the sun today, infection is really unlikely. that is why activities outdoors where the first to be allowed as the lockdown as you like. the research tells us that when you are out in the open, the risks are very low. that is because of someone is infected, then far is that they breathe out should be very quickly dispersed in the fresh air. even so, the advice is to remain cautious. that is because even outdoors, if you are very close together and talking face to face for a long time, study showed the virus can spread. but as this animation shows, the risks are greatest indoors, but the risks are greatest indoors, but the virus accumulating if there is no fresh air. so good ventilation and social distancing really matter when places like bars and restaurants reopen. there when places like bars and restaurants reopen. when places like bars and restaurants reo-en. : , restaurants reopen. are the spacing theole restaurants reopen. are the spacing people apart — restaurants reopen. are the spacing people apart effectively, _ restaurants reopen. are the spacing people apart effectively, are - restaurants reopen. are the spacing people apart effectively, are they i people apart effectively, are they considering the ventilation, have they got doors and windows open, or is it obvious it is some other form of ventilation in there? help is it obvious it is some other form of ventilation in there?— of ventilation in there? help keep the virus levels _ of ventilation in there? help keep the virus levels don't _ of ventilation in there? help keep the virus levels don't and - of ventilation in there? help keep the virus levels don't and let's - the virus levels don't and let's take _ the virus levels don't and let's take this — the virus levels don't and let's take this next step safely. stay outside — take this next step safely. stay outside when you are with people not in your— outside when you are with people not in your household or bubble. the government _ in your household or bubble. tue government keeps in your household or bubble. tte government keeps emphasising to keep hands clean, to reduce the chances of infection. but it is also now highlighting how the virus can spread through the air, especially indoors. and how does opening windows can make all the difference. in this matters, because although the vaccination programme is doing a greatjob protecting the most vulnerable, the virus is mainly spread by under 50s, and most of them have yet to have the jab. that is why scientists are still urging caution. a reminder, read story is that the trial of derek chauvin, the former police officer accused of murdering george floyd is continuing in minneapolis, in minnesota. we had from both the prosecution and defence yesterday, the prosecution is calling a variety of witnesses, and both the prosecution and defence lawyers have an opportunity to ask questions. in the second half of outside source, we will listen into proceedings as they continue. i will see you in a couple minutes. we are starting off with very high temperatures for march, for the early part of the week, then it turned very cold by the end of the week for the easter weekend. today, week for the easter weekend. today, we saw the warmest march date since 1968-24 c we saw the warmest march date since 1968—24 c recorded at kew gardens. that's 14 has been coming from that and you're continent around an area of high pressure. the weather front plaguing the north—west corner of the uk, bringing very wet weather to northern and western scotland. it looks like it mightjust go into parts of northern ireland by the end of the night, but generally speaking the south of scotland and north of northern ireland, england and wales will be dry tonight. not quite as chilly as last night either, certainly cooler. wednesday, we do it all again. it fairy co—star, not as chilly as it was this morning, and with plenty of sunshine a run. the temperature is rising quickly into the afternoon. rather cloudy for much of scotland, outbreaks of rain turning increasingly wintering over the higher grounds, as colder air begins its outward. elsewhere, another warm day, i very won for the time of year across central, southern and eastern england. as we head into thursday, an area of high pressure will be topping in from the north—west, that will settle things down, so should be mainly dry on thursday. variable cloud affecting northern and eastern areas, but good spells of sunshine, but at water and cold, on the northern half of the country certainly colder. for wales, the south—west and central and southern england, drugs of the warm air here, temperatures dipping to single figures. high pressure still with us as we enter week for friday. it is going to be mainly dry, but the courtier will have pushed across all areas of the uk, so it will be noticeably chilly, particularly at night. we will have first to start the day on friday. variable amounts of cloud, across northern and eastern areas. the best of the sun further south and west. it is going to be a cooler day for all, particularly for england and wales, with highs reaching 12 or 13 celsius. a real shock to the system after a very warm start to do because we head into the easter weekend, cold air moves down from the north. there will be a risk of wintry showers. good evening and welcome to this bbc news special programme. a few months ago, opinion polls suggested the snp was on course to comfortably win an overall majority in this year's scottish parliament election. a majority that would allow party leader nicola sturgeon to exert maximum pressure on the uk government to hold another independence referendum. but as the election has drawn nearer, the polls have tightened. nicola sturgeon's also had a very public row with her predecessor, alex salmond, who's set up a rival party to compete for independence supporting voters. the political landscape has changed and the outcome of this contest seems far less certain. the snp has won every parliamentary election since 2007 and currently runs a minority government. tonight is the first of three televised debates ahead of the elections on may 6th which will decide who will be in charge at holyrood for the next five years. taking part, the leaders of the five largest parties — scottish labour's anas sarwar, the snp�*s nicola sturgeon, the liberal democrats' willie rennie, the scottish conservatives' douglas ross, and scottish greens' lorna slater. and joining them, virtually, will be 30 members of the public.

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