trigger the end nord stream gary the pipeline that carries gas from russian to germany. and now what biden has to figure out is there some creative space for some kind of climb down. because i m not giving unon the big issue guaranteeing that ukraine will never be part of nato. we ll never make guarantee like that. but can we have a nato russian dialogue? could we have a big conference with the members of the security council plus ukraine plus germany as part of the effort to see we hear your security concerns. you hear ours. we come up with rules of the road we talk about forced deployments and military maneuvers. it feels like there is space there if one were to be creative. you don t give in on the big thing. you try to pfund some area for diplomacy. i think biden so far has handled this well. the question is really, can he find that diplomatic off ramp?
around the world. and you see there s a price for diplomacy. that s what he was meaning. so the sanctions, the way treasury and state department and white house view sanctions starting as a nucleus, kind of like the center of an unon, and going to that with it and the military there, the protection, the structure, whatever it might be, oil and gas. so there is more we can do. and president putin is aware how strong the sanctions can be. and the fact that russia is integrated into the financial system means they will feel the financial pain. the question is, will it be enough to change putin s calculus? i don t think it will be, because president putin knew that the sanctions were coming before he invaded. the two things that would
jonathan, back during the bilateral when i interviewed putin, fascinating conversation we had. he said they agreed not to expand nato east. i said, well, gorbachev back then didn t get that in writing. he said, ah, yeah, you see, you tricked an old man. biden will be determined not in his mind to be tricked again. he wants to stop the expansion of nato. that is extremely there s no way president biden is going to be able to offer that in this call today. nbc s keir simmons. we greatly appreciate it. we ll look for more of your reporting coming unon morning joe, and we ll be following this virtual summit all day on nbc. there s also new reporting that donald trump s battle with covid was worse than the white house acknowledged at the time. citing a new book from former choof of staff mark meadows, that trump s oxygen level was
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everyone else s fault, not the president s. according to the washington post, quote, republicans latest plan to shield president trump from impeachment is to focus on at least three deputies u.s. ambassador to the european yunon gordon sondland, trump s lawyer rudy guiliani and possibly mick mulvaney who they say could have acted on their own to influence ukraine policy. all together by the way on their own. one of president trump s chief cheerleaders republican congressman mark meadows of north carolina unveiled the strategy last week telling reporters, quote, when i get to ask questions and when you see all the transcripts you will understand there is no direct linkage to the president of the united states. what the argument ignores are the five words that came from president donald trump s mouth to the ears of president zelensky. do us a favor, though. for more i m joined by msnbc correspondent and managing director for national security