if your a textualist, a conservative like george, you look at the language of the 14th amendment, seems like it would be legitimate for courts to exclude donald trump from the ballot. i don t know if we ll see appetite for this court to take that decision out of the hands of voters. joyce vance. my friend. you take care of those amazing chickens, we ll? you i appreciate you taking the time to join us. thanks, katie. coming up, fani willis says other r.i.c.o. case. we ll take a deep dive into the fulton county district attorney s other racketeering case involving embattled rapper, young thug, and the big, first amendment questions that are behind the use of rappler acts as evidence. you are watching the katie phang show, only on msnbc. ly on msnbc. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heart
appalled by these comments as we are, and i m hoping that he will take advantage of the opportunity to restate, with some fierceness, the fact that he is an independent judicial officer. the clarence thomas situation is entirely different. there is abundant reason for him to recuse himself from any sort of case involving the former presidents. but like all supreme court justices, he is not cabin by any sort of ethical rules in the same way that every other judge and a lower court in the country s. the decision about whether to recuse is up to clarence thomas. i think we ll see a watershed moment here where he participates in these cases despite reason to believe that that damages the credibility of the institution. joyce, quickly, before i have to let you go, i did this with george conway yesterday. your predictions and what the supreme court does with the section three 14th amendment colorado supreme court challenge that he is a great take up? right, i think this is a tough ques
two things that related. with all due respect, katie, the lyrics that you put up, they re more generic. i m the big dog. he was. jeffrey williams, aka young thug, was one of the biggest platinum cell in rap artist, music artist of the world. he was the head of his record label, young stoner life. why so that he was the big dog. he has something to do with that body? what does that mean? there were so many potential means of that. as you know, katie, as a prosecutor, there are rules of evidence that prohibits a jury from just hearing evidence that may or may not be somehow related to this murder. oh, let s just let the jury figure it out. let s let the jury sorted out. that s not how our system of justice works, and there are rules of evidence. now, the problem with r.i.c.o., and when i was on your show last time talking about the other high-profile r.i.c.o. case in georgia is that the same thing. is it does allow all of this extra evidence, whether it s,
place on thursday and the attorney generals multi-counsel fraud trial against trump, his sons, and several business entities. and d.c., on tuesday, a federal appeals court will hear oral arguments on trump s claim of presidential immunity for his official acts while in the oval office. the stakes couldn t be higher or more time sensitive. at the d.c. election interference cases over remains a liberal. that trial date affects the mar-a-lago dates, and so on, and so on. my next guest makes the case for decision-making with deliberate speed on msnbc.com. right, in courts may not always be able to act quickly, but it is incumbent upon them to do so here. joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in alabama, professor at the university of alabama school of law. embassy legal analyst, and the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. and her free time, she helps us out to break it all down when it comes to trump s legal.
what the outcome of this immunity motion will have to be. i don t want to prejudge what s going to happen in this, case and i agree with you, i think the absolute immunity defense gets thrown out, but something happened a few days ago with lena haboob, he was a trump lawyer. i want to bring this up with you. she made a statement on the news. i m going to call the news because it was fox. she said the people in kaufman, a who justice brett kavanaugh, who the president fought for, who the president went through hell to get into place, he ll step up. those people will step up. is that not enough for justice kavanaugh to recuse himself? is it not enough to ginni thomas participated actively to venture that donald trump got back to the oval office despite donald trump losing? is that not enough for clarence thomas to recuse himself from the supreme court? all of these cases are going to the supreme court. i think what you are asking