appalled by these comments as we are, and i'm hoping that he will take advantage of the opportunity to restate, with some fierceness, the fact that he is an independent judicial officer. the clarence thomas situation is entirely different. there is abundant reason for him to recuse himself from any sort of case involving the former presidents. but like all supreme court justices, he is not cabin by any sort of ethical rules in the same way that every other judge and a lower court in the country's. the decision about whether to recuse is up to clarence thomas. i think we'll see a watershed moment here where he participates in these cases despite reason to believe that that damages the credibility of the institution. >> joyce, quickly, before i have to let you go, i did this with george conway yesterday. >> your predictions and what the supreme court does with the section three 14th amendment colorado supreme court challenge that he is a great take up? >> right, i think this is a tough question.