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good to have you here. thanks for having us. so, i think our notion of cosmic justice, in some ways our tradition comes from the great notion of hubris and icarus flies to close to the son and his wings melt there is a little bit of the hubris story i mean, this guy was powerfu in a specific subsection o republican politics. he was kind of a kingmaker he could kind of break people. he clearly enjoyed having that power. and maybe you wield that power in a sort of capricious way an it starts to come back at you. yeah, and he was also a employee of a big company that is - the most important institution in the republican party, whose employees mostly work at it fo the good of the republican party or the good of ruper murdoch and his company. and tucker departed from that. he was leading a populis revolt i don t think he really cared, mostly, if republicans won o lost elections who is trying to change th country and the party. again, i think there is i mean, we don t really know
just come back to get you. he s brandy zadrozny a senio reporter for nbc news. she covers misinformation, extremism and the internet she s no stranger to the vitriol tucker carlson - brandy was attacked multiple times by tucker on air, brandy is still working here ben smith is foreign media columnist for the new york times his new book, traffic is out one week from today. they both join me now. good to have you here. thanks for having us. so, i think our notion of cosmic justice, in some ways our tradition comes from the great notion of hubris and icarus flies to close to the son and his wings melt there is a little bit of the hubris story i mean, this guy was powerfu in a specific subsection o republican politics. he was kind of a kingmaker he could kind of break people. he clearly enjoyed having that power. and maybe you wield that power in a sort of capricious way an it starts to come back at you. yeah, and he was also a employee of a big company that is - the most importa
housecleaning in order as far as they should shift in strategy, i think one of the reasons they were comfortabl doing this is because they hav done it in the past. when they took o reilly ou there, i m going to correct th record, o reilly was the highest rated personality in the history of fox news. when they took him out, they made some changes, and the audience went right with it. they know how to satisfy their audience and i think they will continue to do that. you can look at the peopl who have worked effects, lef fox, thought they were bigge than fox news. never were they never were. the machine is more powerfu than the personalities the platform is mor powerful than th personalities. and roger ailes used t actually, at times, force host off just to prove to them that the ratings would stay up even when they were gone. that has been proven time an again. los angeles times television reporter steve tallheo, as always, thank you so much, -
between trump and fox news, th most powerful force in america political media, it pain people to hear it, but that is the case that symbiotic relationship ha been at the heart of tha debate, of that struggle whether we are going to hold o to our democracy or not. and in that company, the mos powerful of media organization in america, fox news, tucker carlson was the most powerfu voice. he sat there at 9:00 - by. far by far. he said there at 9:00 afte taking that share and became the highest rated cable host i history way, everything that we say about donald trump, everything that you are saying right now, everything that the left has been accused of having trump derangement syndrome over, w find out in the discovery of the dominion lawsuit case, tha tucker carlson agrees. who knew. but agrees point after poin