long before he was running for president. and a bunch of young d.r.e.a.m.ers came to trump tower, went up, had a long meeting with him, and they talked about their stories and what they were facing, what their families were facing. and when we talked to the folks that had met with him they said, you know, he seemed actually sympathetic, and as he road down the elevator with them, i believe you, you convinced me. so he brings that experience as much as he does the other kinds of experiences that are more, you know, aimed at keeping people out of the country. you know, it was almost a year ago where the travel ban was first introduced. it was such a chaotic time. and you sort of trace how the approach from the white house has changed. at that time they left so many people out of the process. the white house has really been bucking bureaucracy. how have you seen the president s approach evolve since that first chaotic