going to be like and i ve been there when the decision is made and garland presides. and i think it is clear that day responsible, respected voice is going to say, how can we not do this? it doesn t mean it carries the day, but without a doubt the proof will be so clear and the crime that is proven will be so grave and serious that the consequences of staying back we will be very apparent to merrick garland and everybody at that table, as being brave for democracy in and of itself, to counterbalance what will remain, as you say, the wealthier of considerations that make a prosecution of a former president pretty gnarly. yeah. that s well said. we are going to dive into that even more, ahead, with some other folks, like yourself, with some experience adjacent to this. no one has experience prosecute an ex-president. it never. happened harry litman, thank you for your time tonight. thank you, chris.
and civil rights form of just security. chuck rosenberg is a former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official. they both join me now. great to have you both, i know that both of you have a lot of institutional knowledge in this. so maybe let us first start with the state of things legally as we know from what is publicly available and the degree to with that has changed. i ll start with, you the degree to which along the lines of what harry lippman another said, we are in somewhat new territory in terms of what the facts and the law are as we know the. yes, chris thank you for having me on. i think it s important to note that the january 6th committee and the department of justice even though working in parallel, actually have different goals. the department of justice won t seek legal accountability. they need to see whether
tradition in american life. and the very real warning sense of what was actually happening, cnn documented, by people at the time. remember, those tactics, the armed violence and the coup, the attempt to overturn an elected government like in wilmington, it worked overtime. it worked. and the free black people in the south, many of those jurisdictions, did not see their freedom, their true democratic rights again for another 80 years. those are the states. that is what happens if the mob is allowed to rule without repercussions. that is all in on this wednesday night, msnbc prime starts now with ali velshi, good evening ali. very thoughtful chris, thank you for that, enjoy the rest tonight, we will see you tomorrow. thanks for joining us at this. are willing to bet you felt this way before, throughout the entire trump presidency we all
impacted, how they thought they might die. but there was also a request to do something. they want the facts known. something theyyou are someone who has deat with so many people who have been through the worst disasters of their lives. i wonder how important the facts are for them to be able to move forward, to honor their request to help them? , yeah chris. listening to jesse injure me here, yes, i ve been dealing with covid and health for a time and public crises, but there s something so extraordinarily profoundly disturbing about what happened on january 6th. there is the big picture of course about how could there have been such an attack on our democracy. the other issue is the unbelievable bravery and courage of these officers, who