if you re just joining us again, supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh, and the woman who is accusing him of physical and sexual assault will both testify at a public hearing before the senate judiciary committee next monday. i want to get some insight on how this could play out. joining me now, two people who know a lot about the nation s top court, jeffe toobin and air y y yanya de vogue. how much trouble do you think he s in? i think he s in a lot of trouble. but a tremendous amount will right on how the senators perceive him, how the senators perceive miss ford, and how the public perceives them both. but doesn t it boil down to a he said/she said? not necessarily. that s one of the things i find so frustrating about situations like this. you know, ultimately, a lot of trials, at least, they don t come down to, you know, if someone looks credible. they come down to the issue of corroboration. you know, are there other witnesses who back up their story?