then right after that, they talk about a conversation between trump, a call between trump and de oliveira, and what is left out there is how do they know about it? this is a call between two people who are now two defendants and they are able to recount exactly what happened on the call and what they say is that this is a call where trump says, essentially, don t worry, i ll get you counsel. just as you said, just like a mob boss would do. to keep somebody close. so it s really interesting that they have really sophisticated techniques to get it all of this evidence. i m with you that care paragraph 91 for the audience so they can understand just how much evidence jack smith has developed here and what he has been able to penetrate. it says, just over two weeks after the fbi discovered classified documents in the storage room and trump s office, on august 26, 2022, nauta
just asked to do things and i didn t spend a lot of time thinking about the galaxy of the president united states and or the former former president asked me to do, it i soon it was okay. that the harder defense to make when there are other people saying no. other people standing up and saying i m not sure i have the authority to do that. i m not sure we should do that. that makes that nuremberg and just following orders defense and i don t think critically about the right or wrong-ness of it harder to sustain. the other complicating factor with nauta here, is the fact that his lawyers are being paid by the state of america pack. another common pattern we saw with multiple witnesses who appeared before the select committee is that they are not paying for their lawyer the save america pact, the trump -controlled leave leadership pack was pain. the rules do not preclude that. the rules allow third parties to pay for legal representation. but the lawyers duty of loyalty
fact the document charged in count 32 unless they have very crystal clear evidence of that. the consciousness of guilt on all three, on the part of all of them, the emoji, the audio ram, sneaking around the property, waving around the document then lying about it, knowing that it was not declassified, it s all in there. it s a real read, this indictment. lisa rubin, always good to see you. that is our show for tonight. now it s time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. good evening, lawrence. or good evening, alex. we have andrew weissmann joining us tonight, and he has been the hardest working man at this network today. i want to get to him as quickly as i can. as you should. thank, you alex. we now know who the star witness is going to be in the case of united states of america versus donald j trump, walt tea nauta and now carlos
not, and it s just not a legal defense to rely on patently unreasonable advice. somebody says oh yeah, they just change the law, you can go rob that 7-eleven, it s fine. and you go and do it, even if you might believe that, it s unreasonable to belief and it s not illegal defense. if that is defense, that i was advised that there was election fraud, he was told repeatedly there wasn t, there was never any actual fact to back that up. you can t just listen selectively for what you want to hear and then rely upon that. as a legal defense to the serious crimes like obstruction of official proceeding. i don t know exactly if that s what we ll end up happening when we get, if we get to indictment, but it certainly seems like that statement suggests or on advice of counsel is what we re gonna hear. andrew weissmann, on the data on trump s lawyers are meeting with jack smith s team
deleted, even though donald trump and walt nauta and carlos de oliveira tried to delete that video in criminal defiance of a federal subpoena for that video. the key element in the conspiracy to delete the video came at 9:48 a m, monday morning, when carlos de oliveira lock to the i.t. office, where trump employee 4 was working with another employee in the i.t. department. de oliveira request of the trump employee 4 step away from the office so that de oliveira and trump employee 4 could talk. all of their movements were recorded on the video that donald trump s criminal conspiracy failed to delete. de oliveira took trump employee 4 to a small room known as an