but to wikileaks, where you knew they would be exposed to the whole world? well, i mean, i tried to reach out to the new york times and the washington post as well, so this was a. one of the things that i envisioned was a sort of a physical handoff to, like, a journalist and, like, a kind of a woodward and bernstein style handoff in parking garage or something along those lines, so that s why i came, that s why i went to the us during my leave and tried to contact more conventional journalists. right. in the end, you use the computer in a book shop, i believe. yes. ..to dispatch this information and we should say vast, vast amounts of information. well, the so called iraq war logs and the afghan war diaries amounted to hundreds of thousands of separate pieces of information. right. but i mean, like i worked with tens of millions of records every single day. so this is a. this is still even a fraction of the kinds of information that we were collecting and using. i don t doubt that, but
exposed to the whole world? well, i mean, i tried to reach out to the new york times and the washington post as well, so this was a. one of the things that i envisioned was a sort of a physical handoff to, like, a journalist and, like, a kind of a woodward and bernstein style handoff in parking garage or something along those lines, so that s why i came, that s why i went to the us during my leave and tried to contact more conventional journalists. right. in the end, you use the computer in a book shop, i believe. yes. ..to dispatch this information and we should say vast, vast amounts of information. well, the so called iraq war logs and the afghan war diaries amounted to hundreds of thousands of separate pieces of information. right. but i mean, like i worked with tens of millions of records every single day. so this is a. this is still even a fraction of the kinds of information that we were collecting and using. i don t doubt that, but what i m getting to is the point that as these
really learn things and experience things. so what was it that motivated you to cross that most fundamental line, in essence, to steal secrets and send them notjust to anybody but to wikileaks, where you knew they would be exposed to the whole world? well, i mean, i tried to reach out to the new york times in the washington post as well. one of the things that i envisioned was a sort of a physical handoff to like a journalist and like a kind of a woodward and bernstein style handoff in parking garage or something along those lines. so that s why i came. that s why i went to the us during my leave and tried to contact more conventionaljournalists. right. in the end, you use the computer in a book shop, i believe. yes. dispatch this information and we should say vast, vast amounts of information.
leader of that? yes, he is. but i think you also got to look at the numbers. 49%, 50, against 50% in a number of these elections, including in arizona. pennsylvania very close. look, donald trump has found listen to bob s interviews with donald trump, and you hear how trump has found the weak spots in american democracy, and he has exploited those weak spots criminally and in such a way that his movement has endorsed, has enabled, has gone along with a kind of authoritarianism demagoguery never seen in a major political party in our history. and especially no president of the united states guilty of sedition of the kind of criminality that this president was or the kinds of whole idea of a coup, not leaving office. trump refusing to leave office.
they enabled him. bob, do you really believe there are a lot of republicans on capitol hill running for the exits? they may be kind of heading towards the exits, but they can turn around pretty quickly. they ve shown that in the past. this is the worst aspect of about american politics. and that is in private they say one thing, and then publicly they say another or they are silent. i think overall we ve got to remember trump is running for president again. we have a perfect laboratory of trump in office when he was president for four years. and for nine of those last months, i was able to do these interviews and tape them so you can hear his voice saying all kinds of things that are just depart from reality. the management of foreign