eastern town of soledar near bakhmut. a spokesman said ukrainian forces were fighting what he described as the best prepared units of russian wagner mercenaries. now on bbc news, it s hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. signing up for military service is a big deal. soldiers put their lives on the line for their country no questions asked. but what if the soldier has questions, doubts, doesn t believe in the mission? should personal morality ever trump the military code? well, my guest today thought so. former us army intelligence analyst chelsea manning was responsible for one of the biggest leaks of classified information in history and spent seven years in prison as a result. is transparency a justification for spilling state secrets? chelsea manning, welcome to hardtalk. good evening. thanks for having me. it s a great pleasure to have you. if i may, i want to begin with the decision that really changed, transformed your life. that is the decision to sign
tomorrow to meet with victims of this week s mass school shooting part however along with the morning and anguish there are now angry mounting calls for action people want to know what in the world happened in the small community after we all learned that 19 police officers waited more than 45 minutes in a hallway outside the classroom. leaving students and teachers trapped inside with a gunman armed with an assault rifle. arthel: so many questions, jeff paul is live with more questions were. days of sadness and frustration are now turning into anger for many people here in this community and uvalde texas after law enforcement community admit mistakes were made for texas investigators saying they now know there are children in the classroom with the shooter for nearly an hour who might have been helped. this all goes back to investigators saying the local incident commander at the time about the situation has shifted from an active shooter investigation into a barricaded su
fundamental line in essence, to steal secrets and send them, notjust to anybody but to wikileaks, where you knew they would be exposed to the whole world? well, i mean, itried to reach out to the new york times and the washington post as well, so this was a. one of the things that i envisioned was a sort of a physical hand off to, like, a journalist and, like, a kind of a woodward and bernstein style hand off in parking garage or something along those lines, so that s why i came, that s why i went to the us during my leave and tried to contact more conventionaljournalists. right. in the end, you used the a computer in a book shop, i believe. yes. ..to dispatch this information and we should say vast, vast amounts of information. well, the so called iraq war logs and the afghan war diaries amounted to hundreds of thousands of separate pieces of information, right? right. but, i mean, like i worked with tens of millions of records every single day. so this is a.
from washington recently ranging from leaked audiotapes to the subtractive to the intelligence community. tension is too high the country is too crazy but. that is a small suspect pool. i am confident we do not have a master criminal working at the court. it is dangerous some people talk too much whether it is leaking in private or talking in public about specific intelligence issues. leaks are not new, washington spring leaks during watergate there the pentagon papers even a leak about the roe versus wade decision in 1973. it is like oxygen to the press of sources on the inside that tell them what s really going on. i think it really is a matter of how business gets done in washington. leaks come in all forms mysterious envelopes, encrypted e-mails, and even around davis was shadowy sources and parking garages, woodward and bernstein style. it leaks a flooded riesling button battle gop north :