is all about, whether taiwan or hong kong or the ukraine, it is about two guys, with a lot of resources that are joining up together to try to freeze out western democracies, and putin is going to do it on the ground and there will be visuals and they will be brutal of people being killed because all they want to do is have democracy and freedom. no one is going anywhere. there is much more to talk to with all of our guests in just a moment on this unfolding crisis in ukraine and the political divide that has been exposed here at home. two top prosecutors involved in the manhattan district attorney s investigation into donald trump and trump org have resigned from the d.a. s office. what this might say, this early point about that probe. and later in the program, a witness who is as close as it gets to donald trump is in talks with the january 6th select committee. former president s own daughter ivanka trump. all this and more when
vindman s service as the passion of the converts, the passion of immigrants, makes me want to wave my american flag. i just know that tucker s been doing this for months now, and his audience isn t going anywhere. it is not like he s turning people off. he s actually more watched than the relatively more responsible people over that other network. what does that say to me? it says that the types of people that are highly engaged, you know, are responding to this old style father coughlin to peter s point preworld war ii isolationist conservatism. i would have thought four years of donald trump, storming of a capitol, a pandemic that he managed incompetently that led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, i would have thought would have woken people up, it hasn t. i don t share colonel vindman s optimism on this point but it is
point about the use of the word, imminent. these are people s lives in their home country that we re talking about. tell us what the right word to use is. does it feel imminent to them? reporter: so, until today, i don t think the ukrainians viewed it as imminent. what s changed here, and it s important, is the state of emergency that s been announced. it s a country that is very much preparing for some sort of wide scale invasion. making sure they know who s traveling where. for the ukrainians, you had the cyber attacks. the banks got hit. i was listened to richard engel where he was talking about the city of maripol where 20% would fight for the russians, 20% for the ukraines would leave.
unanimity of thought and action that is between us and our allies at the elite level based on the recognition of where we re headed. we haven t that effect on the u.s. population yet. we re about to face something very, very difficult and very, very stark and really there is almost no opportunity to avoid it. there is a question of whether china could weigh in and i don t have as pessimistic a view. they don t want to up end a system that allowed them to be a rising power and sat out on the sidelines of it. maybe they re the only ones that could stop it at this point. it is a big deal. it is going to change the way the populations thinks of the world and based on these visuals and i think it is going to it is going to kind of reformat a little bit how the american public thinks about things. i hope so. i appreciate, look, colonel
divisions among nato. it is a good question whether president trump was volatile enough that president putin didn t know how he would react to, you know, something more aggressive in ukraine, but also getting what he wanted in ukraine, in the sense that nobody was trying to reverse what he had already done. he had already seized crimea, already annexed it, already had taken in effect to some extent parts of luhansk and donetsk to the separatists, you know, enclaves in effect, without anybody in the united states doing much about it during the four years of president trump was in office. it is a fair question to ask why he didn t do it while trump was in office given what close relationship the two had and a fair question to ask why he chose to do it now. i think he s at a point in his career, 23 years in power, about to turn 70, two years isolated in the pandemic where he stayed apart from most other human beings, more than most world leaders, he seems to be thinking about his legacy a