because he thought the amnesty that was a big part of the 1986 immigration reform would be one and done. we would cure this problem. we would accept these folks and then now enforce our border enforce our laws. of course, we see even at the border today, they re not really enforced. what the two of you are advocating for i m not advocating for anything. don t let me talk. you can tell me where i m wrong. but what i m hearing is you re saying don t separate the adult from the child. which means you don t adjudicate the adult. that s not true. what the trump administration is saying is when you come here illegally, you will be prosecuted and to do anything else than that is to simply not follow the law. that gets us into the amnesty problem. asylum seekers were never included. they re coming under different pretense. and you re saying we assume they re not real. 80% of them are not i don t know where that number livers.
yes. did they do it as much as you are doing it right now? no. what s your point? the point is what s the law say you have to do, chris? it doesn t say you have yes, it does. enforcement is up to you. and choosing to do it. look, this law was signed in 2008. it was signed by bush. it s not about democrats putting a fast one through. it s how do you want to enforce it and whether you want to take the risk that these people that come across undocumented will return for legal process. that s right. again, the facts are did obama do this? yes. did he do it as much? no. why? does he had a different mentality, his administration about what these people represent. my question to you is you used to own that mentality. reagan, bush, as i just suggested were much more open hearted. there seems to be no. ronald reagan, a president i respect deeply, one of his biggest regrets was the 1986 immigration bill.
base of the state. that s what s going on around the country. immigration is politically stabilizing president trump s talked about this. i m concerned about this. this immigration today represents an existential threat to the united states. shapiro says he was taken out of context. i don t know how existential threat is taken out of context. nina, how do you take that? it was clear he s on the side of what president trump is doing. it s wrong. we re talking about there s law. there s unjust laws. but there s also humanity. that is really what is being called into question here are humanity as a nation. it s curious to me the party of family values has to problems with separating families at the border. let the process take place, but the president, president donald trump has the power and the
first, it should be a deterrent anyway. our president sent the message out. i hope because of you and everybody else talking about it, they re going to get a message, don t come across the border with your kids. first, you re going to jail, the adults or those that violate the law. for the kids, i feel sorry for them. i feel sorry for them. you feel sorry for them, but if you felt sorry for them, don t separate them, and why would you assume all families that come across undocumented are the same? some are fleeing prosecution. some women are running for their lives from terrible men. some are teenagers desperate to work at the factories that you guys never prosecute for hiring people illegally. you never go after the fat cats. only the small people. i haven t? you demeanize the workers. no. if you look at the prosecutions, the people get prosecuted. harsher than ever. not the companies, joe. not fair. really? yes. look at my record.
encouraging people to get out of that country for good or bad reason. that s not in the control of the united states. how it enforces its border is. and it is choosing now to take a new direction of harshness, of prosecuting everyone who comes across, but how they ll prosecute includes separating these families even if it means these kids are going to be separated for a good period of time in conditions that we re not crazy about. does that sound like the right thing to do? i ll tell you something. why don t we blame the families, the adults for taking the chance, violating the law, coming across our border with these young kids? they re the ones that should held responsible. if i get to washington, i m going to make sure there s another law, a tougher law to go after these people. how much tougher can you get than this? what? how much tougher could you get than this? well, if you charge them with more serious crimes, they ll spend more time in jail which should be a deterren