i expected something like this from cohen. he s been lying all week or he s been lying for years. i don t see how he has any credibility. this is basically if you had a trial there won t be a trial here. if you had a trial, do you want to pick the first lie, second lie or some new lie? there isn t anybody that knows him if his back is up against the wall he ll lie like crazy. he s lied all his life. the man is a liar, proven liar. there is no way you re going to bring down the president of the united states on the testimony uncorroborated of a proven liar. i guarantee you this guy is a proven liar. so, heilman has joined the table. i saw that last night. i missed the beginning. i thought he was talking about donald trump. the great thing about it is, first of all he s saying i was flabbergasted. did he get fired? we can t take the testimony of a proven liar who is the
if there are these other women why don t they come forward with their stories? they re looking at what happened to stephanie clifford, aka stormy daniels. they re worried about putting themselves out there for public scrutiny. it s as though his tactic has changed. he s calling on coy hen to be t one to be the messenger on this piece. what we re seeing here is we re either seeing some real crazy strategy or some very smart strategy. not possible, right the smart strategy, even the little audio we heard, they re building they re establishing how close cohen was to the president or before he was president. in the sense that if cohen does make a deal and has something there, they re going to shoot at him like giuliani did last night, saying he s all this and that. they are on the tape that we did hear talking about his divorce papers, talking about which black minister to use in the
e-mail messages. there are a lot of ways you can corroborate it. you wouldn t have that statement standing all alone, be all that you rely on. you would use all these other ways to support it. betsy woodruff, that s why their destroy michael cohen plan may come up well short of erasing him as the x factor here. he may know enough about other people who saw and witnessed what went on and what went down in trump tower. that s right. if you don t have to rely on michael cohen, you probably won t want to. and assuming the reporting is correct, which i haven t confirmed, but assuming it s correct that there were additional people in the room when trump was alerted to the fact that this meeting was going to happen, that obviously would play a key role in potentially corroborating anything michael cohen said. one thing i can tell you is the attacks, the efforts to undermine cohen are likely to come from people outside the white house. don t anticipate people currently working in the white
rudy giuliani tirade about liars. can t tolerate the lying, oh, my god. that s your client, buddy. it was on full display in the aftermath of reports that michael cohen is willing to offer damning information on trump to robert mueller. just after cohen s lawyer released a recording of trump about hush money. it s become an all-out war between trump and his fix era corresponding to the daily beast that left their relationship shattered beyond repair. the daily beast saying, two source who spoke to trump about cohen this week said the president is furious after cnn revealed cohen covertly recorded one of their conversations. they are dead to each other now said another source close to the president who knows cohen. trump allies are gaming out how to in the words of one outside advisor, bury cohen. joining us now former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade, betsy wood you ve. heilman has joined the table. barbara, let me ask you, there is also reporting that michael
about what you re trying to do. in the end i don t think it has anything to do with the evidence. the evidence is the evidence. it will end up in front of a court or not. the evidence will speak to something true or not. i think you re right in terms of the narrative, like who cares about michael cohen on some level? in the end the question is what did donald trump know, when did he know it, how involved was he, any claims that he s he was somehow distant from this, you pointed out a couple times today, distant from the dirty business of the payment to the women, the june 2016 russia meeting. all of these things are now collapsing on themselves and we re getting new characters, like his personal accountant who now is in this picture, who i keep hearing the same cliches, knows where the bodies are buried. we used to say that about michael cohen. now we re saying it about the accountant. soon we ll be saying it about other people. more and more drexel burnham lambert the overall pictur