tell him that the law said whatever it was most convenient for him to think that the law said. tracking the lawyers is kind of a fun way of paying attention to how all these hearings are going to play out and to how the january 6th probe is unfolding. to that point, he finds that lawyer in john eastman, and john eastman is the one who s in the oval telling pence and pence s most senior advisers what to do, how to overturn the results of the election. you learn that jeffrey clark was in on the eastman plan, and i wonder in terms of whether this becomes a criminal lens through which all this conduct is examined what that portends for messrs. clark and eastman. well, it surely does and that s why mr. clark already has pleaded the fifth repeatedly some 500 times. look, eastman and clark, these folks are not as if they were some of the adults in the room and everyone dissented.
closest scrape we have so far, and clark, who has to date said in his public statements, oh, i was just giving options. clearly has been lying to the public. he twice, not once, but twice this dramatic meeting is the second, went around the back of the attorney general. i can t tell you what a cardinal offense that is for someone who s like eighth or tenth on the flowchart to meet with trump and do this plot, stunning and almost worked. and nick, i want to read more from the washington post reporting. it also shows how trump assembled the coup team, almost adjacent to folks that really weren t celebrated as particularly effective at pulling the levers of the government to serve the people, but clark was his man at doj. look, i think what we see here is the way that trump ran this is not that he was pulling every string charting the course, and he never was as president. all right? it wasn t his thing. keep me in office. i don t want to leave. i think i won, and then he
all of the adults in the room and this has been part of what s been so effective about their presentation said this is a lie. you can t do this. these were just people whose only sort of qualification is they got themselves to him saying i can make something up for you. i can say that the emperor is wearing clothes, but these new revelations by clark we missed this by an eyelash. we had no idea, it wasn t just donohue who stood up, donohue and dozens of doj officials were ready resign if trump did this and that and that alone made him back down. but imagine if this letter had gone out under the e just of the new acting attorney general instead of the m.o. i ve heard, he would have had the department of justice to say there s something fishy here, mr. raffensperger, you better go figure this out, et cetera. everything could have changed on a dime. we re looking at, i think, the
election result. it s a pressure campaign that came incredibly and alarmingly close to actually working. it could have completely changed the game for trump and his allies on january 6th if and only if it had succeeded. washington post is out with stunning new details on efforts by doj official jeffrey clark to essentially take over the justice department, efforts which culminated in a january 3rd meeting previously reported on by the post, the new york times and other outlets inside the oval office between clark, the man who would become the acting a.g. and his deputy richard donahue and of course one donald j. trump from the post reporting. clark had outlined a plan. in a letter he wanted to send to the leaders of key states that joe biden won. it said the justice department had, quote, identified significant concerns about the vote and that the state should consider sending a separate slate of electors supporting donald j. trump for congress to
self-regulating. they should be like every other article 3 judge and subject to a code of ethics. i want to talk to the january 6 events and the events around it. now we hear reports from politico that john eastman, a lawyer advising the president, was calling the pennsylvania lawmakers and asking them to retabulate the vote. it sounds very much like that raffensperger call from former president trump, find me 11,800 plus votes, the exact number needed. in both of these cases, is this illegal? i want to see more of the evidence. but it s certainly what we would call when i was a prosecutor, there s a predicate enough to start investigating? exactly. to start an investigation. it s extremely disturbing to see what we know about what mr. eastman did, what jeffrey clark did at the united states department of justice, what mr. meadows was doing from the white