states and a political opponent of the president. now, there are propaganda packets that are put together about ambassadors serving in authoritarian countries all the time, and i m sure there were those floating around about yovanovitch in ukraine as they are in russia and other places. this is unique, and i think we shouldn t lose sight of the fact that these are exactly the components and the items that were being pitched in that phone call that we ve seen the notes of the transcript from, in what giuliani has been pushing. we also know there has been a kind of mudslinging campaign against yovanovitch as well. so what we don t know right now is the origin as was noted in the reporting. did it come from the white house? did it giuliani write it himself? was it in trump tower? was it somewhere else? that s almost the most interesting piece of information and will probably tell us a lot more. the i.g. made the call over to congress to inform them they have this stuff they wanted to ba
it could be extremely consequential to how this moves forward with the controversy, what the state department knew and when, about what giuliani was really doing. highly unusual and cryptically worded, that s the description of the documents? yeah. so the letter really had very few details. an urgent request to meet. that s not something you traditionally see. this is something that they felt like they really needed to talk to congress about and that s why they re going to meet tomorrow. interesting. kylie atwood, thank you so much. joining me now is congressman steve cohen, democrat who serves on the house judiciary committee. you heard kylie s reporting there of what will be coming congress way tomorrow. what is your question?
campaign finance violations here. well, that is astounding to me. i don t know how they could say that. i mean, i think that as for trump, while you don t need to find a crime for there to be impeachable offenses, this is very clearly criminal. i mean, i think that he solicited aid from a foreign power to help him with his election and giuliani has been doing that for months and been involved in it. and there are other criminal mimi, let me interrupt because giuliani doesn t seem to think he has done anything wrong here. in fact, he is continuing to do a tv tour defending himself and i want to play for you a little bit of what he had to say when he was out a fox. watch. if it weren t for me, nobody would have uncovered and faced massive corruption by the vice president of the united states. i m a legitimate whistle-blower and the state department asked
mention again in a separate story may 9th, writing about giuliani s plans to travel to ukraine to help the investigation into biden. giuliani complained on twitter about the ukrainian president s reluctance to investigate, meeting with the top aid in madrid two months later in august. giuliani talked about all of it publicly and it caught the attention of congress. they started investigating giuliani even as he kept making appearances on other networks to talk about ukraine. so now there are questions over who exactly told him to go there to act on behalf of an administration he doesn t officially work for, maybe besides the president. let s bring in former assistant attorney for the southern district of new york. is rudy giuliani in legal trouble right now? i think he very much should be. and i say that specifically using the word should, because i am concerned that we do not
of this by threatening essentially the safety if not life of the whistle-blower. congressman castro wouldn t get into who is on the witness list, although we do anticipate movement next week, but rudy giuliani and the comments he s been making. congressman castro didn t say they were definitely going to subpoena him. do you think rudy giuliani will appear before this committee to talk about his events and the work in ukraine? who can predict anything who is close to the president what they re going to do. i think it s hard to see him voluntarily going before the committee. he does seem to think he can take a page out of the president s play book and not go through traditional channels but speak to the american people by going on cable news. giuliani has been all over the map, i think he said a lot of things that he probably didn t think he was going to say. but i think the tone we re seeing overall from the democrats is they re staying in