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let s talk a little bit about that final comment that the western influence is waning in the say hello. our security correspondent frank gardner says the influence of western governments in north west africa is declining: compare it to a shrinking water hole in the dry season, western influence. it s drying up in the south countries, the whole area of north west africa. it s drying up in the sahel countries, the whole area of north west africa. one by one, countries are kicking out western forces, severing their ties with the western international community and instead, a number of countries have teamed up with russia s wagner group who has, for them, a very successful business model. if you take a triangle of government, wagner group and a population, two out of three of those do pretty well. the governments get a bespoke security service from this mafia like organisation, the wagner group. the wagner group enrich themselves with mineral resources like gold mines, diamonds etc. but
a fast track to nato s membership, wouldn t have to go through the lengthy formal application process thatt s known as the membership application plan. the french foreign minister, catherine colonna, told us that she was on a pretty same sort of thing. and that s really interesting because it s a way of suggesting to ukraine and to the rest of the world that ukraine might get a quicker membership application through without actually putting a timetable on it, which is what ukraine wants. so lots of food of thought there, food for thought there for nato s big summit next month. so what we ve seen today, i think, is the western community, western international community saying, look, it is still committed to ukraine for the long term, both militarily and economically. ukraine s president sat down for an in depth interview with the bbc s yalda hakim about the state of the war in his country. president zelensky, thank you so much for your time. i d like to begin by asking you about the cou