yovanovitch when she was under attack publicly by rudy giuliani or after she was attacked by the president on this phone call after the readout and he s certainly not defending her now and jamie knows more about this than i do but if you re sitting at the state department right now and you are hearing the secretary of state just go on a political terror saying i m not going to talk about the democratic impeachment but refusing to someone of 30 years of service and hardship posts. and deputy secretary and other assistance secretary, they pleaded with him to say something nice about her as she was being fired. michael mckinley, one of the top advisers, resigned because he said he went to pompeo three times and asked him to and that he didn t. we should say that pompeo went on abc and said that it never happened. but, look, we have seen whether it is yovanovitch, taylor, williams, on and on, he hasn t
give? will he say, for example, that we were all just trying to figure out a way to get around rudy giuliani who was the person standing in the way of getting that important aid to ukraine. we ll hear from a few people who were on the original listening in on the july 25th phone call so they ll be able to tell everyone in the country what it was that they heard and whether or not they thought it was a beautiful and perfect call like the president. or was he trying to please the president? this was a donor. paid a million dollars to become ambassador. he really wanted to be doing this. and so you please the boss. and i just think with sondland, i agree with everything gloria and jamie said but now we have two people who have said they well taylor and then holmes who heard it and two people who said gordon sondland called donald trump on july 26th or a call was placed.
defendant s admission is admissible evidence. that does not constitute hearsay and holmes is going to testify to that. and by the way, taylor has verified that holmes told him about the conversation when it happened. ambassador sondland also on the other san die on the othe phone conversation will appear before the committee on wednesday. he s had to revise his testimony earlier deposition at least once. should sondland, if necessary, and decides to plead the fifth or refuses to answer questions, should congress offer him immunity in exchange for his full testimony. yes, we should. and i d be surprised if he doesn t plead the fifth given how much he has to revise, but what we know to know is what did he speak to donald trump about. he could provide further verification for the phone call that holmes overheard and talk to what trump ordered him to do. but i do think he is a significant criminal liability risk and we should provide him