we don t mind visiting. it s getting there that kind of throws me. how do you get there? well, you hop on a plane and you go to africa to get there. and? when you get to africa, you get to go on a six day climb, an endurance hike. it s not really a climb. but after that, we go on a five day safari. but you re taking survivors with you, right? anybody can go. we have a handful of survivors that go every year. what is the analogy between surviving cancer and then being inspired to take on this kind of a task? something that most people will never accomplish in their life. right. there s an uncanny resemblance to climbing and surviving cancer and going through cancer. a, it s an uphill battle and there s a difference between climbing and fighting for your life. when you re fighting for your life, you don t have a choice to give up. you have to continue forward. you have to keep climbing. on the mountain, if something goes wrong, you can regroup and go back. you know, but o